@Torie988 one of the main players that talked shit about Jordan back then was Vernon Maxwell. And yes Barkley was like that. In Philly he had some unreal highlights, phoenix was where he reached his overall peak though. As far as late 80's and 90's, players like Tim hardaway, quick release 3 point sniper mamoud Abdul rauf, rod Strickland, Dominique Wilkins, Shawn kemp, ect were hella skilled and athletic. I would even throw Nick van exel in there, he was late 90's. His hesi was crazy!
The term plumbers comes from players in the 50s and 60s who had to work a second job in order to make ends meet because the league wasn't paying well enough. Calling players plumbers is extremely disrespectful to the people who built this fucking game....
@@whenisdinner2137 Still a decade off... *SOME Players in the 40s and 50s worked second jobs. By 1960 season, the league avg salary was today's equivalent of $160k/yr. The top stars were at the equivalent of $1m/yr.
Maybe they should have complained to the mens league for more money...??? oh... wait... Thats why I find that whole thing insulting, the men ALSO had to go through that, a league doesnt just go global overnight.
@@TheIcemanthomas the difference is we(or MJ) never called MJ the goat. That shot didn’t come around until lebron(outscored by Jason terry in the finals) and his creepy fans started proclaiming he was the best ever. The media may have proclaimed Jordan the best but I never heard him or any other player besides the guy that got outscored by Terry, swept by finals mvp Tony Parker, lost to Dwight Howard, saved by Ray Allen, and a Paul trade to the lakers away from not having Miami titles lebron proclaiming he was better than Jason terry. Oh I’m sorry. I meant Michael Jordan. I liked lebron til he was so arrogant to say he’s the best ever when he got outscored by Jason terry in the finals and lost when he had a super team, got accused of quitting by his own lower in the playoffs, scored 22 a game while the spurs swept him. If he would have just kept his mouth shut people would remember the good more than the bad. There is absolutely no case for lebron being better than bird, Kareem, magic, Kobe or definitely MJ. In a clutch 3 minutes I’d rather have Reggie miller. Lebron is great but he’s put a magnifying glass on HIMSELF. I just watch the end of the Ray Allen game today. The heat were lucky to win that game. Lebron was 3-12 through 3 quarters, turned the ball over 2 times in the last minute and shot 2-6 in that minute and overtime. The spurs missed a bunch of free throws. He is strong and athletic. His skill isn’t that much better than mine. Real tLk if you take away his strength advantage. By skill I mean dribbling and footwork. I give him credit for being in great shape and strong!
If you look at it in the cold hard light of day (taking out the emotion for your own favourite individual player), it has never really been a debate that MJ is the GOAT. He is still the only player in NBA history to win the DPOTY and the Scoring Title (averaging 35ppg) in the SAME season - in NBA history only FOUR times has a player in the same season achieved the following:- Win the Regular Season MVP Win the Scoring Title Win the NBA Title Win Finals MVP Be selected onto All NBA 1st Team Be selected onto All Defensive 1st Team MJ is responsible for ALL FOUR times. He also holds the joint record for most All NBA 1st Defensive Team selections at 9 and in 7 straight years he won the Scoring Title each year in which he never averaged less than 30 ppg and in those 7 straight years he missed a grand total of just 7 games! His stats are off the charts and quite clearly MJ is the GOAT and it should not even have been a debate.
In order to really understand his greatness, you have to go back and watch full games. Highlights only tell a fraction of how great he really was. So when us old heads call him the GOAT, its because we were alive to see Jordan's career and Lebron's. And while Lebron is an extraordinary player--the best of his era, he is no where near Jordan
@WestonMeyer-n6x untrue. Larry brat him but the 1st game MJ dropped 49, next game Ainge pissed him off by kicking his ass at golf.. he dropped 63. If he didn't score a single point in game 3 that would be a 37ppg average
Some info that isn't mentioned, the acrobatic layup was his 12th or 13th straight made shot, in those series against the Lakers Michael became the only player in basketball history to out assist the best passer of all time Magic Johnson. MJ is tied for MVP and DPOY at the same season but he's by himself for MVP, DPOY and Scoring Title all in the same season. He just has too much to say, it's easy to miss something 😂
FYI, the plumbers argument only applied til the early 70s, when NBA players needed a 2nd job. Even then, it shouldn't be used against legends like Russel and Wilt as they could only compete with the players in their era. The game is supposed to evolve. New players see how old players play and adapt accordingly. That means being able to do what the past players were doing does not make them greater players. You are great based on how you dominated the players in your era. And no one dominated his own era more than MJ. 10 scoring titles while winning championships in 6. Only 4 other players have won both the scoring title and championship in the same season and MJ did it more times than all of them combined. There were only 4 times in nba history where a player won the scoring title, regular mvp, defensive 1st team, championship and finals mvp. Those players are: MJ, MJ, MJ and who was the last one again? Right... MJ.
The term comes from players in the 50s and 60s who had to work a second job because the league wasn't paying well enough because it was still in its infancy. It's fucking disrespectful to the people who built this fucking game...
@@whenisdinner2137this ain’t even true. The vast majority of the league was getting paid enough. Only the end of the Bench guys had to work other jobs.
None of the veterans would ever talk about Jordan in a negative light because he'd embarrass them the next time they played. Pissing off Jordan was a terrible idea back then.
Minor correction. Jordan played 18 games that season. And he only played 17 games in the 94-95 season (coming back from first retirement). So, it has to be pointed out that Jordan only played less than 13.5 seasons in total, not 15 seasons. And he still accomplished more than anyone else in that time.
The Pistons won the NBA championship in 1989 and 1990. They also made the Finals in 1988. The Pistons were up 3-2 on the lakers in the 1988 Finals and were looking to close them out in game 6. But Isiah Thomas suffered a bad ankle sprain in game 6 which the Pistons eventually ended up losing by 1 point. The Pistons lost game 7 to the Lakers in a game in which Isiah could not play. So yes, Michael and the Bulls were losing to the Pistons in those 3 years. But so was damn near every other team in the league. And had it not been for Isiah's sprained ankle in game 6 of the 1988 Finals, the Pistons probably would have been the first team to threepeat since Russell's Celtics, instead of the Bulls. In fact, almost every team Jordan lost to in the playoffs reached the Finals. The only exception was the 59 win Milwaukee Bucks, which was the first team Jordan faced in the playoffs in 1985.
I mean, yeah, players would say negative things about them but when they did, they would get their team dominated by Jordan in the games, so they didn't say shit anymore. People think it's a joke that Jordan takes stuff personal, but that's actually what separates him from everyone else. The fact that he has another gear that he could go to at any time if anybody says anything about him or even if he makes it up in his own head. 😂😂😂
Check out "jordans underrated years as a wizard" 40 year old on a bad knee coming off broken ribs. Shell of himself athletically but was still putting up numbers and playing defense.
Every single person who says lebron is anywhere near Jordan's stratosphere of greatness; I've noticed something that's interesting.. They follow lebrons mindset by always referring back to Le-chokes book of 1001 excuses for every failure or any underachieving situation, or mistakes.. never can man up and say hey this is on me.. I speak truth folks
I feel sorry for today’s generation having Lebron as an idol, and being told by media heads lying, saying he’s the greatest because it gets views. He’s not even close, and not a good roll model.
...28:54 . .. Damn you nailed it. Congrats! You nailed the key reason why Jordan is the GOAT. He had the talent to take his career in a certain direction, but he _chose_ to be coached in a winning system that yielded him the best results. So he ended up having the best of both worlds. He got the individual awards and stats, but he also got the championships. There as a recent interview where Phil Jackson was asked if he had the first pick in the draft and he had the choice between MJ, Shaq and Kobe, who would he pick first. And without hesistation Phil said he'd pick MJ. "Because he was extremely coachable".
Also this video had a lot of cap in it. Jordan was labeled a ball gif, but that was the media. Can you really be a ball hog with a season with 8 assists? No the problem was MJ was the really the only capable scorer on those early teams. So many would be dines his teammates would miss wide open shots or layups. MJ lost early on because the teams he faced were all stacked with at least 4 hall of famers. Look up them Boston and Pistons teams he went against. And look up MJ’s rosters. The video also makes it like Pippen and grant were allstars and came in and instantly got MJ winning. Nah. Pippen was just a 7.9ppg rookie coming off the bench. He needed to develop more in practice and he improved each year but he was never a 25ppg player. He was an elite defender and a perfect complement to MJ playing point forward. MJ needed help for sure and a pippen was the best player he had. Pippen wasn’t an Allstar the year MJ won his first ring. Rodman was an essential player in MJs second threepeat but he also wasn’t an Allstar during those years. He was actually on the verge of being blacklisted before the Bulls took a chance on him.
There were also 3 false narratives in this video: Pippen guarded the best players, Pippen guarded Magic after game 1 of the 1991 finals and Payton slowed Jordan down. Overall, a pretty good video, but not all of it is true.
I get excited hearing other NBA players talk about their experience playing with MJ. Hearing their stories reminds me of how exciting a time it was. MJ was mesmerizing to watch. We won’t see anything close again.
Robert Horry has seven rings and played doing the same era as Jordan. The reason he’s not in the goat debate is because he was a role player and never the lead dog on any team he played for. It would be like playing with Tom Brady, then transferring to the Kansas City Chiefs and continuing to win with Patrick Mahomes.
Were there plumbers back in the day? Sure; maybe, but let's put some context into that statement. Back in the day, players weren't getting paid like that so a lot of them had off-season jobs. Now look at players today shall we? We can say these players are playing against twitch streamers and podcasters. So context is just needed when people start making those types of comments.
Guys in the nineties weren’t having summer jobs. This is just people who don’t know what’s up that say that. The difference between MJ and everyone else was that he would hate losing a ping pong game. TBH lebron worked on his physical body but his actual moves are not good compared to others. Lebron is a physical beast. I like him. So no hater here. But if you go look at highlights from guys like Larry magic Michael Kobe they do things that lebron cannot that don’t take being strong. I wish lebron worked on his game more than just being more athletic and strong. Because of that I would take Larry bird in a playoff game with the season on the line. That’s no disrespect because Larry is amazing.
Barkley was possibly the best power forward in the world, maybe even the best player in the world in 93, but MJ and his competitive will were greater. Rivalries are what made the 80's, 90's and early 2000's special. The best players didn't play on the same team, they wanted to beat each other to prove themselves as "The best basketball player in the world". All the way down to pure hatred.....Look at how much Isiah and MJ can't stand each other to this very day.
That last play, was not a push-off. The other player even said his Own momentum took him out. I also saw that play from the other side, and was definitely nott a push off. When you talk about Lebron's..stats... You have to remember how much longer it took Lebron to get those stats. Jordan played less time and had all the higher scores, long before Lebron managed it.
Yes there is a guy with 7 rings, his name is Robert Horry. He was a decent role player that just happened to be in the right places at the right times. Ultimately, theres 2 things, Winning for a reason, or being the reason for winning. Robert Horry was not the reason for winning.
And not one time in the video did you hear him say SO JORDAN LEFT THE BULLS TO TEAM UP WITH THIS SUPERSTAR. Jordan wanted to beat the other great players not join them.
One of the craziest stats is how long he went without losing 3 games in a row. Look that UA-cam video up. The man hated losing more than he loved winning, which is why he won so much.
I grew up watching Jordan. His killer Will was unbelievable until Kobe came. The guy refused to loose! In the clutch, in the playoffs, he always elevated his play. The majority of the time he would hit the game winner and have the game winning save or block. Every iconic play has its own name. The storylines behind his iconic plays that the commentators told was the stuff of legend. You should watch how other player would trash talk him and he would set out to destroy their ego and reputation! He was an assassin! The level of fear he inspired in other players was crazy!! They actually feared him on the court.
MJ did everything in MUCH LESS time. MJ played CRAZY defense THROUGH his last season as a 41 year old. STATS was not important. If it was, he wouldn’t have retired the first time. I liked and subscribed!
Early Years Jordan where had had to face super strong opponents with just him only the one being able to go toe to toe with them was God Like Status. Prime Jordan where he got the 1st three peat was Beyond God Like, made him the GOAT as he leaves to make others shine as well. Then he went back and cemented that he's the GOAT with his 2nd three peat. And we're not talking about just winning the Championships here, but what he has to do and has done and had to conquer in order to get those Championships and his certified GOAT Status.
Saying LeBron was the most complete player, really, Can't make a freethrow, terrible on defense, plays in a league that won't allow anyone to defend him, travels constantly, Charges, Flops, chokes.terrible clutch shooter. It was obvious from the start this announcer was trying to diminish Jordan and upgrade LeBron. I'm not saying he didn't have valid points, but he definitely had an angle to try and help LeBron try and be the GOAT., It was nice to see Scottie and Harper get their credit, Rodman was a beast. the Best Defensive team ever. The best Team ever. LeBron wouldn't have been in the top 10 in Jotdans Era, they played actual defense and didn't eject players even for throwing punches.. League is SOFT, thats why nobody watches.
Jordan is the goat, but it is cool that LeBron is your favorite. The two (best & favorite) are not always the same. I appreciate your reaction and reasoning.
Initially MJ was called a ball hog but he tamed it and only took over when the game needed. Greatest cutch player. He was incredibly mesmerizing to watch! God clearly embraced MJ.
People look at Lebron with respect, but they look at Jordan in awe. I forgot who said it but it was a HOFer: when they line up the 50 or 75 greatest players, or whatever, they said everyone still fans out, get quiet and stares in amazement when Jordan walks in
@@Torie988 bro I was only old enough to remember like the 3rd Championship to the 6th, it was just different then and looking back at all the players since I will say Lebron is the closest to him IMO
@ well I just mean how easy it is to be in awe of LeBron throughout his career. Kobe is basically a carbon copy of Jordan but I don’t think people really looked at Kobe as this otherworldly player til the end of his career
@1nkredibleHunk kobe was amazing there is no doubt. But in my life there are only 2 playersthat have made me question what im watching. Steph and Mike. Steph, because i have never seen anyone shoot like he does Mike cause he was Mike. Kobe was basically Mike 0.9, great but not Mike. Thats my 2 cents
Did guys disrespect MJ? Yep! Let THEM tell you what happened next... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 "NBA Legends who were scared of Jordan"(12min): ua-cam.com/video/Z7CnbUdmtm0/v-deo.htmlsi=slPiwGeF6Yl428jR
My biggest thing is Jordan evolved his game to win. Once he did that he didnt loose. Won 3 in a row retired for over a year andca half. He came back w 17 games left in 95 before plsyoffs. 1 full off season back to 3 peat. Lebron like vast majority of players is ball dominate, while not being a very good shooter! His baskets are either high energy penetrate to basket or late in game when defenses collaspe he starts kucking out for others to make jump shots! Lebron never has developed a post game, never figured a way to get low energy buckets. Jordan as he got older mastered post game, and coukd move great with out tge ball! Didnt waste energy carrying the ball up the floor setting up the offense. He had every option to take advantage of his defenders weakness! Typically 1 or 2 dribble bucket if it wasn't a catch and shoot! Jordans later teams were phenomenal defensively so his stats were down due to taking far fewer risk, or need too! Lebron has lost several Finals because elite teams play tuff defense in playoffs and particularly the finals. Lebron may make the right play by the book, but someone shoukd be doing that! He should be getting late jumpers to win or score in final minutes! Kickibg the ball out to ray Allen for 3 w 2 minutes is a good play..kicking tge ball out to the 4 or 5th option for 10 yrs is not! He doesnt get himself easy layups in late games because of team defense, doesn't draw fouls and go to te line being poor at free throw line and relys on plug and play guys hitting long jumpers! He basically ruined Chris Bosh and the other white power foward..Kevin Love who were both 25 and 12 guys before becoming stretch 4's to fit with Lebron! I couldbt even remember Loves name lol. Thats my point, Jordan didnt tell Rodman to ckear from tge basket to give him room! Learn yo hit 20 ft jumpers. Lebrons defense has went to shit forca decade now and kearned nothing w 6 finals losses, a couole being massive blowouts!
Listen up! "Selfish Beings," I'm 66 years old and I watched Jordan on television when he was playing, to us old school basketball fans, it was not about Jordan winning championships, its was about his game. Jordan gave a working man something to come home to. When he played the game each night, you didn't take your eyes off the TV. The other players who played against him, has to bring their game or look like a fool. There will never be another basketball player like Jordan. LeBron James is no where near Jordan or alot of other great players. James is a basketball player who is help by The NBA to become a good basketball player, his game don't have that energy to make you want to come home and watch him on TV. I think he destroyed the game of basketball, not just in the NBA, but High school and college basketball. He got today generation basketball players not caring about the game. Everytime I hear or see anything about LeBron James, it turns my liken about basketball and the game. PBUY!
I don't agree with the narrator describing "until Scottie and Horace Grang arrived"! They didn't do squat when they arrived! It took time playing with and training with MJ for them to become the players we know as today! Just look up their stats, particularly in the Playoffs! Also, MJ forced it against triple and quadruple teams because even with those variables he was still a better odds option than his teammates. He's the only player who's clutch percentage didnt differ from his regular game odds! Detroit was not on the decline! They were on average 1-2yrs older than the Bulls! The year preceding the Bulls took the Pistons to 7 games in the ECF where the eventual winning Pistons dominated the Lakers in the Finals! Also, Scottie didn't "always" guard the best opposing player! The only reason why it seems that way is because teams were targeting MJ to get into foul trouble in order to diffuse his 4th quarter impact! Scottie helped elevate that strain to save MJ for the clutch of the game.
Well said! There are so many ridiculously false narratives floating around social media about Jordan, all of which have been debunked countless times but the myth that Pippen always guarded the best player on the other team is easily refuted by video evidence. The reality is that Jordan guarded the opposing team's top perimeter threat more often than any other elite offensive perimeter player in NBA history. It was not until the last 3peat, when Jordan was 33-35 years old, that Pippen guarded some perimeter threats more often, and even then there are notable exceptions... Here are examples exclusive to Jordan's playoff career. This list is not complete... Adrian Dantley - 1988 Isiah Thomas - 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991 Charles Barkley - 1990 (brief stretches) Magic Johnson - 1991 James Worthy - 1991 (brief stretches) Clyde Drexler - 1992 Terry Porter - 1992 Kevin Johnson - 1993 Tim Hardaway - 1996 Penny Hardaway - 1996 Gary Payton - 1996 Rod Strickland - 1997 Steve Smith - 1997 Reggie Miller - 1998 John Stockton - 1997, 1998 (brief stretches) FACT: In every NBA Finals, Jordan guarded a top 5 or top 10 all-time PG or SG - Magic Johnson - Clyde Drexler - Kevin Johnson - Gary Payton - John Stockton Even in the 2001/02 season as a Wizard, Jordan often guarded and shut down the top perimeter players at 38 years old despite dealing with multiple pre-existing injuries. Unfortunately, due to Jordan's knee injury in the 46th game of the season, he could not do this nearly as often afterwards. Examples from the 2001/02 season... Paul Pierce - top 3 in PPG Vince Carter - top 7 in PPG Peja Stojakovic - top 16 in PPG Shawn Marion - 19 ppg on 47% in 2001/02 season Latrell Sprewell - 19 ppg on 40% in 2001/02 season
To answer your question around the 16:20 mark...no. nobody dared to piss him off because they knew he would use it as fuel to beat them. Everyone feared him.
Micheal was tougher Micheal has better mentality best aura people would hope Jordan would break his leg in the playoffs so they wouldn’t play him💀 LeBron ain’t even close
I put it this way: LeBron is a once in a generation talent. Michael is a once in a LIFETIME talent. As others have mentioned, the debate was never real, at least not amongst NBA fans. It was created and propagated by the sports media, and the younger generation having grown up not knowing anything other than the "LeBron is better" brainwashing narrative didn't know any better. Think about it. For the first half of his career, you'd be hard pressed to find people arguing that LeBron was better than even Kobe, let alone Michael. That's because the media had already been pushing Kobe as "the next Jordan" for a few seasons, and for once, a candidate for "next Jordan" stuck. The fact that their paths never crossed in the finals didn't help either because they couldn't be marketed as rivals either, a la Magic vs. Bird back in the '80s. Therefore, there was no need to prop LeBron up to that level at that time. It's only as Kobe's career was winding down that you saw suggestions that LeBron was better. And the REAL push came after Kobe retired. Suddenly, seemingly over night, no one even mentioned Kobe in the GOAT debate anymore (other than a brief time after his passing) and LeBron magically leapfrogged EVERYONE in the GOAT debate. It's all propaganda to keep the game relevant, as it's not good for any sport to say the greatest of all time came and went 20+ years ago. Mark my words, though. Within a few seasons of him retiring, you're going to hear a LOT of people in the media start singing a different tune about LeBron's place in history, even some (not all) of his biggest current GOAT advocates. You'll start hearing cracks in his case like "if he would have just one 2 or 3 more rings, I'd feel more confident in calling him the GOAT. But to hang around for 22 or 23 seasons and only win 4 rings? One of them being questionable? I don't know, man....that hurts his case", or "if we're going to point to his all time leader accolades like points, then shouldn't we also point out he's the all time leader in turnovers? If the most points scored ever makes him the GOAT, why doesn't the most turnovers ever make him the worst player ever?" or "when MJ retired, he was only #3 on the all time scoring list. No one said 'sorry MJ, you can't be the GOAT because you didn't score more points than Kareem for your career. And no one put Karl Malone, who was # 2 on that list, into the GOAT convo or said he was better than MJ because of it", or "can we really compare their careers with the direct PED allegations which LeBron never once denied?", and so on. You know....all the stuff that the media is currently ignoring when debating who's greater. You'll start hearing people in the media gradually bring up objections like these to LeBron's case because they don't need him to be the GOAT anymore. It will be time to move on to the NEXT next Michael.
In 25 playoff series, Jordan gaurded the best perimeter player 14 times, Pippen 11 times 💯 Scottie didn't always gaurd the best player.. that's a false myth
IMHO looking at MJ play ball vs Bron, MJ looks unreal and supernatural. Bron looks lunky and clunky compared. Thats all for me and stats n whatnot. Bron wasn't as electric as MJ. NBA needed a star man, so Bron was their hype.
We can have a strong opinion because we’ve actually seen ALL 3 Jordan Kobe and LeBron’s WHOLE CAREER unlike someone who’s only seen Kobe or LeBron or Steph😳
Jordan is the greatest to ever do it and it had nothing to do with Scottie Pippen Phil Jackson Winters or the triangle. It was already known to everybody that he was the best in the league before any of them set foot in chicago. Anybody with half a brain already knew that he would win a bunch of titles when he had a team around him, it was just a question of time. Phil Jackson didn't shoot all those mid-range shots. Neither did the triangle offense or Scottie Pippen. He needed a good offensive plan, he needed a good coach, he needed good players around him, but they could have been any number of players and coaches and schemes. The one Irreplaceable piece of the whole puzzle was the 6'6 guy with hands of a 7 ft 6 Center and the feet and agility of a 6 ft 1 guard, AND a historic vertical.
Vernon Maxwell, John Starks, Isaiah Thomas, John Salley, Gary Payton, just to name a few. All shit talkers of Jordans game. These are the closest dudes to fighting Jordan. And each one of these good basketball players lived to regret it, Jordans next visit would be embarrassing for these dudes. If you pissed Jordan off, Jordan would give these fellows 50-60 points.
Respect to the players you call "Plumbers". They played the game with passion while having jobs. While your favorite players today are paid hundreds of millions, in private jets, the best trainers, doctors, advance tech/equipments, even having sleep doctors and personal chefs and other perks and yet they cry and don't want top play back to backs let alone playing the entire 82 games while having rules that basically takes out defense. Spoiled babies is what they are and guess who is the at the forefront? Yes, Lebron himself, your generations so called goat.
I can't believe you thought Jordan played plumbers lol ! He played against some of the best players in NBA history, plus defense was a LOT tougher - you can't even touch a player w/o it being a foull, Jordan would avg. 50 playing in this era. That being said, I applaud your ability to admit when you are wrong, that is a rare trait these days
People say that LeBron is a better athlete, but I respectfully disagree. Lebron is simply a larger athlete and he’s taken great care of his body throughout the years. LeBron is phenomenal but this is what separates them in terms of physicality: Jordan had a 48 inch vertical, ran a 4.3, endless stamina, and had large hands. He dunked on every center he ever faced and every team. And when he did it, he often times took two or three bodies with him because back then the paint was always clogged.
There a part when jordan says I just want the franchise of.the chicago bulls be respected and it's not impossible the way he says it and just wanting to make a dynasty there with the team that believed in him and that's why he is above lebron he could have just stayed in Cleveland and then if he won 4 at least there and builds a lasting unit maybe he would have been the goat but he had to chase the championship so...
Lebron has the points and longevity awards but nothing else over Michael Jordan!!! MJ IS the G.O.A.T. and Lebron isn't, no matter that Lebron anointed himself the goat!!! Facts are facts and it's not up for discussion!!!
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6 three's in the first half!!!
Bro,Try to pause, when you talk!!
@Torie988 one of the main players that talked shit about Jordan back then was Vernon Maxwell. And yes Barkley was like that. In Philly he had some unreal highlights, phoenix was where he reached his overall peak though. As far as late 80's and 90's, players like Tim hardaway, quick release 3 point sniper mamoud Abdul rauf, rod Strickland, Dominique Wilkins, Shawn kemp, ect were hella skilled and athletic. I would even throw Nick van exel in there, he was late 90's. His hesi was crazy!
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The term plumbers comes from players in the 50s and 60s who had to work a second job in order to make ends meet because the league wasn't paying well enough. Calling players plumbers is extremely disrespectful to the people who built this fucking game....
@@whenisdinner2137 Still a decade off...
*SOME Players in the 40s and 50s worked second jobs. By 1960 season, the league avg salary was today's equivalent of $160k/yr. The top stars were at the equivalent of $1m/yr.
Maybe they should have complained to the mens league for more money...???
oh... wait...
Thats why I find that whole thing insulting, the men ALSO had to go through that, a league doesnt just go global overnight.
The NFL too , Johnny Unitas has awards named after him and was working in a steel mill here in Baltimore
It was never a debate. Your generation wasn't alive to see it .
mj so much better than everyone else who has ever played the game its not even close.
The previous gen could say the same to you
@@TheIcemanthomas the difference is we(or MJ) never called MJ the goat. That shot didn’t come around until lebron(outscored by Jason terry in the finals) and his creepy fans started proclaiming he was the best ever. The media may have proclaimed Jordan the best but I never heard him or any other player besides the guy that got outscored by Terry, swept by finals mvp Tony Parker, lost to Dwight Howard, saved by Ray Allen, and a Paul trade to the lakers away from not having Miami titles lebron proclaiming he was better than Jason terry. Oh I’m sorry. I meant Michael Jordan. I liked lebron til he was so arrogant to say he’s the best ever when he got outscored by Jason terry in the finals and lost when he had a super team, got accused of quitting by his own lower in the playoffs, scored 22 a game while the spurs swept him. If he would have just kept his mouth shut people would remember the good more than the bad. There is absolutely no case for lebron being better than bird, Kareem, magic, Kobe or definitely MJ. In a clutch 3 minutes I’d rather have Reggie miller. Lebron is great but he’s put a magnifying glass on HIMSELF. I just watch the end of the Ray Allen game today. The heat were lucky to win that game. Lebron was 3-12 through 3 quarters, turned the ball over 2 times in the last minute and shot 2-6 in that minute and overtime. The spurs missed a bunch of free throws. He is strong and athletic. His skill isn’t that much better than mine. Real tLk if you take away his strength advantage. By skill I mean dribbling and footwork. I give him credit for being in great shape and strong!
If you look at it in the cold hard light of day (taking out the emotion for your own favourite individual player), it has never really been a debate that MJ is the GOAT. He is still the only player in NBA history to win the DPOTY and the Scoring Title (averaging 35ppg) in the SAME season - in NBA history only FOUR times has a player in the same season achieved the following:-
Win the Regular Season MVP
Win the Scoring Title
Win the NBA Title
Win Finals MVP
Be selected onto All NBA 1st Team
Be selected onto All Defensive 1st Team
MJ is responsible for ALL FOUR times.
He also holds the joint record for most All NBA 1st Defensive Team selections at 9 and in 7 straight years he won the Scoring Title each year in which he never averaged less than 30 ppg and in those 7 straight years he missed a grand total of just 7 games!
His stats are off the charts and quite clearly MJ is the GOAT and it should not even have been a debate.
"The Shot", "The Shrug game", 'The Double Nickel game", "The Flu game" . . .No other player had more iconic moments than MJ.
He was the best and the greatest to ever do it 💯🐐
Michael Jordan has the combination of accolades winning and stats. And if your watch him play it’s apparent this guys skill level is ridiculous.
In order to really understand his greatness, you have to go back and watch full games. Highlights only tell a fraction of how great he really was. So when us old heads call him the GOAT, its because we were alive to see Jordan's career and Lebron's. And while Lebron is an extraordinary player--the best of his era, he is no where near Jordan
He brought “love of the game” to the NBA contracts. He didn’t want anyone telling him when/where/who he can play basketball with
No one talked bad about Jordan. If they did he would take it out on them on the court. Everyone knew that
Dont say anyrhing to that man. As shaq said dont mess with god, cause he would take his wrath out on you.. and nobody wanted that
Except Larry. LOL
@WestonMeyer-n6x untrue. Larry brat him but the 1st game MJ dropped 49, next game Ainge pissed him off by kicking his ass at golf.. he dropped 63. If he didn't score a single point in game 3 that would be a 37ppg average
THE GOATTTTTTTTTTTTTT🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
Some info that isn't mentioned, the acrobatic layup was his 12th or 13th straight made shot, in those series against the Lakers Michael became the only player in basketball history to out assist the best passer of all time Magic Johnson. MJ is tied for MVP and DPOY at the same season but he's by himself for MVP, DPOY and Scoring Title all in the same season.
He just has too much to say, it's easy to miss something 😂
FYI, the plumbers argument only applied til the early 70s, when NBA players needed a 2nd job. Even then, it shouldn't be used against legends like Russel and Wilt as they could only compete with the players in their era. The game is supposed to evolve. New players see how old players play and adapt accordingly. That means being able to do what the past players were doing does not make them greater players. You are great based on how you dominated the players in your era. And no one dominated his own era more than MJ. 10 scoring titles while winning championships in 6. Only 4 other players have won both the scoring title and championship in the same season and MJ did it more times than all of them combined. There were only 4 times in nba history where a player won the scoring title, regular mvp, defensive 1st team, championship and finals mvp. Those players are: MJ, MJ, MJ and who was the last one again? Right... MJ.
The term comes from players in the 50s and 60s who had to work a second job because the league wasn't paying well enough because it was still in its infancy. It's fucking disrespectful to the people who built this fucking game...
@whenisdinner2137 jj Reddicks homes in California they burned down yesterday
@@whenisdinner2137this ain’t even true. The vast majority of the league was getting paid enough. Only the end of the Bench guys had to work other jobs.
A lot of those so-called plumbers worked a second job and we’re still better than a lot of players up today. Food for thought.
great reaction. nice to see a young man with an open mind
Yes, Barkley was really like that. You could say he was the second best player at that time.
None of the veterans would ever talk about Jordan in a negative light because he'd embarrass them the next time they played. Pissing off Jordan was a terrible idea back then.
Yea, you didn't say ish to him. Ask Reggie, KG, Charles, Shaq or anyone else.
In Shaqs words, leave that man alone
Bro, did you catch that stat? His 2nd season, he got hurt and only played 3 games. He still got selected to NBA All Star that season....
Minor correction. Jordan played 18 games that season. And he only played 17 games in the 94-95 season (coming back from first retirement). So, it has to be pointed out that Jordan only played less than 13.5 seasons in total, not 15 seasons. And he still accomplished more than anyone else in that time.
The Pistons won the NBA championship in 1989 and 1990. They also made the Finals in 1988. The Pistons were
up 3-2 on the lakers in the 1988 Finals and were looking to close them out in game 6. But Isiah Thomas suffered
a bad ankle sprain in game 6 which the Pistons eventually ended up losing by 1 point. The Pistons lost game 7 to the
Lakers in a game in which Isiah could not play. So yes, Michael and the Bulls were losing to the Pistons in those
3 years. But so was damn near every other team in the league. And had it not been for Isiah's sprained ankle in game 6
of the 1988 Finals, the Pistons probably would have been the first team to threepeat since Russell's Celtics, instead of the
Bulls. In fact, almost every team Jordan lost to in the playoffs reached the Finals. The only exception was the 59 win
Milwaukee Bucks, which was the first team Jordan faced in the playoffs in 1985.
I mean, yeah, players would say negative things about them but when they did, they would get their team dominated by Jordan in the games, so they didn't say shit anymore.
People think it's a joke that Jordan takes stuff personal, but that's actually what separates him from everyone else. The fact that he has another gear that he could go to at any time if anybody says anything about him or even if he makes it up in his own head. 😂😂😂
Yea when I seen him say that in last dance , you can tell he was dead serious about taking it personal 😂😂
Check out "jordans underrated years as a wizard" 40 year old on a bad knee coming off broken ribs. Shell of himself athletically but was still putting up numbers and playing defense.
Every single person who says lebron is anywhere near Jordan's stratosphere of greatness; I've noticed something that's interesting.. They follow lebrons mindset by always referring back to Le-chokes book of 1001 excuses for every failure or any underachieving situation, or mistakes.. never can man up and say hey this is on me.. I speak truth folks
GOAT 🐐
I feel sorry for today’s generation having Lebron as an idol, and being told by media heads lying, saying he’s the greatest because it gets views.
He’s not even close, and not a good roll model.
You came to senses. Good. That is how an adult reacts.
I'ma say it again Jordans rookie season numbers are the same as Kobe's MVP season numbers 🤯🐐
...28:54 . .. Damn you nailed it. Congrats! You nailed the key reason why Jordan is the GOAT. He had the talent to take
his career in a certain direction, but he _chose_ to be coached in a winning system that yielded him the best results.
So he ended up having the best of both worlds. He got the individual awards and stats, but he also got the championships.
There as a recent interview where Phil Jackson was asked if he had the first pick in the draft and he had the choice between
MJ, Shaq and Kobe, who would he pick first. And without hesistation Phil said he'd pick MJ. "Because he was extremely
coachable".
Also this video had a lot of cap in it. Jordan was labeled a ball gif, but that was the media. Can you really be a ball hog with a season with 8 assists?
No the problem was MJ was the really the only capable scorer on those early teams.
So many would be dines his teammates would miss wide open shots or layups.
MJ lost early on because the teams he faced were all stacked with at least 4 hall of famers. Look up them Boston and Pistons teams he went against. And look up MJ’s rosters.
The video also makes it like Pippen and grant were allstars and came in and instantly got MJ winning.
Nah. Pippen was just a 7.9ppg rookie coming off the bench. He needed to develop more in practice and he improved each year but he was never a 25ppg player. He was an elite defender and a perfect complement to MJ playing point forward.
MJ needed help for sure and a pippen was the best player he had. Pippen wasn’t an Allstar the year MJ won his first ring.
Rodman was an essential player in MJs second threepeat but he also wasn’t an Allstar during those years. He was actually on the verge of being blacklisted before the Bulls took a chance on him.
Big facts homie
There were also 3 false narratives in this video: Pippen guarded the best players, Pippen guarded Magic after game 1 of the 1991 finals and Payton slowed Jordan down. Overall, a pretty good video, but not all of it is true.
Thanks for letting me know I appreciate it !!
I also assumed he was overrating Jordan’s supporting cast cause he still averaged 30 with them
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I get excited hearing other NBA players talk about their experience playing with MJ. Hearing their stories reminds me of how exciting a time it was. MJ was mesmerizing to watch. We won’t see anything close again.
Robert Horry has seven rings and played doing the same era as Jordan. The reason he’s not in the goat debate is because he was a role player and never the lead dog on any team he played for. It would be like playing with Tom Brady, then transferring to the Kansas City Chiefs and continuing to win with Patrick Mahomes.
So he basically got lucky his career😂
@ Yep. He was a good player and did his part but not a great player or leader of the team.
Big props for being open-minded and humble. Good reaction, subbed.
btw barkley was an amazing basketball player, you should look him up
Barkley was amazing
Were there plumbers back in the day? Sure; maybe, but let's put some context into that statement. Back in the day, players weren't getting paid like that so a lot of them had off-season jobs. Now look at players today shall we? We can say these players are playing against twitch streamers and podcasters. So context is just needed when people start making those types of comments.
Twitch streamers and podcasters 😭😭😭
Guys in the nineties weren’t having summer jobs. This is just people who don’t know what’s up that say that. The difference between MJ and everyone else was that he would hate losing a ping pong game. TBH lebron worked on his physical body but his actual moves are not good compared to others. Lebron is a physical beast. I like him. So no hater here. But if you go look at highlights from guys like Larry magic Michael Kobe they do things that lebron cannot that don’t take being strong. I wish lebron worked on his game more than just being more athletic and strong. Because of that I would take Larry bird in a playoff game with the season on the line. That’s no disrespect because Larry is amazing.
@@benramsden4437 I see why people like Larry bird now and I’m excited for the making the case Larry bird video !
Barkley was possibly the best power forward in the world, maybe even the best player in the world in 93, but MJ and his competitive will were greater. Rivalries are what made the 80's, 90's and early 2000's special. The best players didn't play on the same team, they wanted to beat each other to prove themselves as "The best basketball player in the world". All the way down to pure hatred.....Look at how much Isiah and MJ can't stand each other to this very day.
Charles Barkley was like that dang
Live and Learn 🐐⭐️☑️
Facts
You still need to finish that jordan mixtape... it's totally different just hearing about how good he is than it is to actually watching it....
I had just moved to Chicago (from Atlanta) when the Bulls acquired MJ! It was an exciting era for the NBA. I still count my lucky stars!
That last play, was not a push-off. The other player even said his Own momentum took him out. I also saw that play from the other side, and was definitely nott a push off. When you talk about Lebron's..stats... You have to remember how much longer it took Lebron to get those stats. Jordan played less time and had all the higher scores, long before Lebron managed it.
It’s not a conversation, MJ is the goat
Yes there is a guy with 7 rings, his name is Robert Horry. He was a decent role player that just happened to be in the right places at the right times. Ultimately, theres 2 things, Winning for a reason, or being the reason for winning. Robert Horry was not the reason for winning.
Nobody said nothing to this man because they feared his wrath. That made him God on the court, my guy. 17:23
And not one time in the video did you hear him say SO JORDAN LEFT THE BULLS TO TEAM UP WITH THIS SUPERSTAR. Jordan wanted to beat the other great players not join them.
First MJ learned that he could turn anger into greatness. Then he learned how to get angry really easily.
He would make stuff up to himself mad
Mj should have had 9 mvps easy, possibly more. Charles was definitely like that. He was a mean mofo
I respect you so much for making a decision on the best of all time based on unbiased facts great video🎉
I appreciate that
One of the craziest stats is how long he went without losing 3 games in a row. Look that UA-cam video up. The man hated losing more than he loved winning, which is why he won so much.
8yrs.. the dude went 8yrs without losing 3 in a row
16:24 No not really No one talked shit back then, because they knew Jordan would destroy them.
I grew up watching Jordan. His killer Will was unbelievable until Kobe came. The guy refused to loose! In the clutch, in the playoffs, he always elevated his play. The majority of the time he would hit the game winner and have the game winning save or block. Every iconic play has its own name. The storylines behind his iconic plays that the commentators told was the stuff of legend. You should watch how other player would trash talk him and he would set out to destroy their ego and reputation! He was an assassin! The level of fear he inspired in other players was crazy!! They actually feared him on the court.
Great explanation
MJ did everything in MUCH LESS time. MJ played CRAZY defense THROUGH his last season as a 41 year old. STATS was not important. If it was, he wouldn’t have retired the first time.
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Well done! You got educated.
Now you know. 😊
"How good was Michael Jordan actually?" How many pairs of his shoes do you have?
I got 3
LePhony's passion is not the game, it's himself... #MJGOAT
Early Years Jordan where had had to face super strong opponents with just him only the one being able to go toe to toe with them was God Like Status. Prime Jordan where he got the 1st three peat was Beyond God Like, made him the GOAT as he leaves to make others shine as well. Then he went back and cemented that he's the GOAT with his 2nd three peat. And we're not talking about just winning the Championships here, but what he has to do and has done and had to conquer in order to get those Championships and his certified GOAT Status.
There have been a few back court players to win DPOY. But it is VERY rare.
w Jordan
Saying LeBron was the most complete player, really, Can't make a freethrow, terrible on defense, plays in a league that won't allow anyone to defend him, travels constantly, Charges, Flops, chokes.terrible clutch shooter. It was obvious from the start this announcer was trying to diminish Jordan and upgrade LeBron. I'm not saying he didn't have valid points, but he definitely had an angle to try and help LeBron try and be the GOAT., It was nice to see Scottie and Harper get their credit, Rodman was a beast. the Best Defensive team ever. The best Team ever. LeBron wouldn't have been in the top 10 in Jotdans Era, they played actual defense and didn't eject players even for throwing punches.. League is SOFT, thats why nobody watches.
17:23 imagine watching it as a teenager, young blood!😂
React to the voyager rare Highlights video
You have to watch the video of Jordan’s trash talking stories and the video about the times Jordan took it personal. You won’t be disappointed!
Educate yourself young man. Learn the history of basketball.
Robert Horry (7 time champ) was a player that showed up for big shots in the playoffsw
Jordan is the goat, but it is cool that LeBron is your favorite. The two (best & favorite) are not always the same. I appreciate your reaction and reasoning.
Respect to you bro
Debate?? Opinions?? It's not even close. It's the only thing that is somewhat keeping the NBA alive... PERIOD
Chill bro not the period 😂😭
Can you react to stupidly expensive things own by Michael Jordan?
No one talked ish about MJ back then because they had to play against him. You talk mess, you end up on a poster.
Da GOAT
Initially MJ was called a ball hog but he tamed it and only took over when the game needed. Greatest cutch player. He was incredibly mesmerizing to watch! God clearly embraced MJ.
react to some SIR CHARLES BARKLEY videos if you really wanna know how stupld he was in this prime, he was a MONSTER!!!
People look at Lebron with respect, but they look at Jordan in awe. I forgot who said it but it was a HOFer: when they line up the 50 or 75 greatest players, or whatever, they said everyone still fans out, get quiet and stares in amazement when Jordan walks in
I like this explanation
@@Torie988 bro I was only old enough to remember like the 3rd Championship to the 6th, it was just different then and looking back at all the players since I will say Lebron is the closest to him IMO
@@1nkredibleHunkKobe is the closest to MJ
@ well I just mean how easy it is to be in awe of LeBron throughout his career. Kobe is basically a carbon copy of Jordan but I don’t think people really looked at Kobe as this otherworldly player til the end of his career
@1nkredibleHunk kobe was amazing there is no doubt. But in my life there are only 2 playersthat have made me question what im watching. Steph and Mike.
Steph, because i have never seen anyone shoot like he does
Mike cause he was Mike. Kobe was basically Mike 0.9, great but not Mike.
Thats my 2 cents
Did guys disrespect MJ? Yep!
Let THEM tell you what happened next...
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"NBA Legends who were scared of Jordan"(12min):
ua-cam.com/video/Z7CnbUdmtm0/v-deo.htmlsi=slPiwGeF6Yl428jR
My biggest thing is Jordan evolved his game to win. Once he did that he didnt loose. Won 3 in a row retired for over a year andca half. He came back w 17 games left in 95 before plsyoffs. 1 full off season back to 3 peat.
Lebron like vast majority of players is ball dominate, while not being a very good shooter! His baskets are either high energy penetrate to basket or late in game when defenses collaspe he starts kucking out for others to make jump shots!
Lebron never has developed a post game, never figured a way to get low energy buckets. Jordan as he got older mastered post game, and coukd move great with out tge ball! Didnt waste energy carrying the ball up the floor setting up the offense. He had every option to take advantage of his defenders weakness! Typically 1 or 2 dribble bucket if it wasn't a catch and shoot!
Jordans later teams were phenomenal defensively so his stats were down due to taking far fewer risk, or need too!
Lebron has lost several Finals because elite teams play tuff defense in playoffs and particularly the finals. Lebron may make the right play by the book, but someone shoukd be doing that! He should be getting late jumpers to win or score in final minutes! Kickibg the ball out to ray Allen for 3 w 2 minutes is a good play..kicking tge ball out to the 4 or 5th option for 10 yrs is not! He doesnt get himself easy layups in late games because of team defense, doesn't draw fouls and go to te line being poor at free throw line and relys on plug and play guys hitting long jumpers!
He basically ruined Chris Bosh and the other white power foward..Kevin Love who were both 25 and 12 guys before becoming stretch 4's to fit with Lebron! I couldbt even remember Loves name lol. Thats my point, Jordan didnt tell Rodman to ckear from tge basket to give him room! Learn yo hit 20 ft jumpers. Lebrons defense has went to shit forca decade now and kearned nothing w 6 finals losses, a couole being massive blowouts!
You have to do, why they were afraid of MJ: ua-cam.com/video/Z7CnbUdmtm0/v-deo.htmlsi=yZ8NuWNBQmB6UT6I
Listen up! "Selfish Beings," I'm 66 years old and I watched Jordan on television when he was playing, to us old school basketball fans, it was not about Jordan winning championships, its was about his game. Jordan gave a working man something to come home to. When he played the game each night, you didn't take your eyes off the TV. The other players who played against him, has to bring their game or look like a fool. There will never be another basketball player like Jordan. LeBron James is no where near Jordan or alot of other great players. James is a basketball player who is help by The NBA to become a good basketball player, his game don't have that energy to make you want to come home and watch him on TV. I think he destroyed the game of basketball, not just in the NBA, but High school and college basketball.
He got today generation basketball players not caring about the game.
Everytime I hear or see anything about LeBron James, it turns my liken about basketball and the game. PBUY!
You need to react to MJs top 60 plays
Let’s get it right most players didn’t like Jordan mostly because he won so much. He not only won but destroyed teams.
I don't agree with the narrator describing "until Scottie and Horace Grang arrived"! They didn't do squat when they arrived! It took time playing with and training with MJ for them to become the players we know as today! Just look up their stats, particularly in the Playoffs!
Also, MJ forced it against triple and quadruple teams because even with those variables he was still a better odds option than his teammates. He's the only player who's clutch percentage didnt differ from his regular game odds!
Detroit was not on the decline! They were on average 1-2yrs older than the Bulls! The year preceding the Bulls took the Pistons to 7 games in the ECF where the eventual winning Pistons dominated the Lakers in the Finals!
Also, Scottie didn't "always" guard the best opposing player! The only reason why it seems that way is because teams were targeting MJ to get into foul trouble in order to diffuse his 4th quarter impact! Scottie helped elevate that strain to save MJ for the clutch of the game.
Well said! There are so many ridiculously false narratives floating around social media about Jordan, all of which have been debunked countless times but the myth that Pippen always guarded the best player on the other team is easily refuted by video evidence. The reality is that Jordan guarded the opposing team's top perimeter threat more often than any other elite offensive perimeter player in NBA history.
It was not until the last 3peat, when Jordan was 33-35 years old, that Pippen guarded some perimeter threats more often, and even then there are notable exceptions...
Here are examples exclusive to Jordan's playoff career. This list is not complete...
Adrian Dantley - 1988
Isiah Thomas - 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991
Charles Barkley - 1990 (brief stretches)
Magic Johnson - 1991
James Worthy - 1991 (brief stretches)
Clyde Drexler - 1992
Terry Porter - 1992
Kevin Johnson - 1993
Tim Hardaway - 1996
Penny Hardaway - 1996
Gary Payton - 1996
Rod Strickland - 1997
Steve Smith - 1997
Reggie Miller - 1998
John Stockton - 1997, 1998 (brief stretches)
FACT: In every NBA Finals, Jordan guarded a top 5 or top 10 all-time PG or SG
- Magic Johnson
- Clyde Drexler
- Kevin Johnson
- Gary Payton
- John Stockton
Even in the 2001/02 season as a Wizard, Jordan often guarded and shut down the top perimeter players at 38 years old despite dealing with multiple pre-existing injuries. Unfortunately, due to Jordan's knee injury in the 46th game of the season, he could not do this nearly as often afterwards.
Examples from the 2001/02 season...
Paul Pierce - top 3 in PPG
Vince Carter - top 7 in PPG
Peja Stojakovic - top 16 in PPG
Shawn Marion - 19 ppg on 47% in 2001/02 season
Latrell Sprewell - 19 ppg on 40% in 2001/02 season
To answer your question around the 16:20 mark...no. nobody dared to piss him off because they knew he would use it as fuel to beat them. Everyone feared him.
How can you hear or understand anything if you're talking while the narrator is talking during the video?
Fam it a reaction 😭
@Torie988 piece of advice, when you want to say something pause the video
Jordan had 10 consecutive scoring titles in a row lebum has 1 enough said😂😂😂😂😂
That’s only matters if you value scoring over everything else
@NoSpinster0909 that's the name of the game ny guy
I’m starting to think, you’re not gunna lie to us.
Robert Horry is the player your dad talked about with 7 rings.
Micheal was tougher Micheal has better mentality best aura people would hope Jordan would break his leg in the playoffs so they wouldn’t play him💀 LeBron ain’t even close
@bbluka who’s your favorite player all time ?
@ prob Luka boban marionvic dirk bird or Jordan
@ that’s a really hard question
I put it this way:
LeBron is a once in a generation talent.
Michael is a once in a LIFETIME talent.
As others have mentioned, the debate was never real, at least not amongst NBA fans. It was created and propagated by the sports media, and the younger generation having grown up not knowing anything other than the "LeBron is better" brainwashing narrative didn't know any better. Think about it. For the first half of his career, you'd be hard pressed to find people arguing that LeBron was better than even Kobe, let alone Michael. That's because the media had already been pushing Kobe as "the next Jordan" for a few seasons, and for once, a candidate for "next Jordan" stuck. The fact that their paths never crossed in the finals didn't help either because they couldn't be marketed as rivals either, a la Magic vs. Bird back in the '80s. Therefore, there was no need to prop LeBron up to that level at that time. It's only as Kobe's career was winding down that you saw suggestions that LeBron was better. And the REAL push came after Kobe retired. Suddenly, seemingly over night, no one even mentioned Kobe in the GOAT debate anymore (other than a brief time after his passing) and LeBron magically leapfrogged EVERYONE in the GOAT debate. It's all propaganda to keep the game relevant, as it's not good for any sport to say the greatest of all time came and went 20+ years ago.
Mark my words, though. Within a few seasons of him retiring, you're going to hear a LOT of people in the media start singing a different tune about LeBron's place in history, even some (not all) of his biggest current GOAT advocates. You'll start hearing cracks in his case like "if he would have just one 2 or 3 more rings, I'd feel more confident in calling him the GOAT. But to hang around for 22 or 23 seasons and only win 4 rings? One of them being questionable? I don't know, man....that hurts his case", or "if we're going to point to his all time leader accolades like points, then shouldn't we also point out he's the all time leader in turnovers? If the most points scored ever makes him the GOAT, why doesn't the most turnovers ever make him the worst player ever?" or "when MJ retired, he was only #3 on the all time scoring list. No one said 'sorry MJ, you can't be the GOAT because you didn't score more points than Kareem for your career. And no one put Karl Malone, who was # 2 on that list, into the GOAT convo or said he was better than MJ because of it", or "can we really compare their careers with the direct PED allegations which LeBron never once denied?", and so on. You know....all the stuff that the media is currently ignoring when debating who's greater. You'll start hearing people in the media gradually bring up objections like these to LeBron's case because they don't need him to be the GOAT anymore. It will be time to move on to the NEXT next Michael.
LeBron retires soon so we will see and I’m excited to see if your right !
Jordan has the most finals mvps.
Players fear MJ....Nobody fear Leflop......
If LeBron had the fierceness of MJ and Kobe, he will be the super greatest!!!
Imagine someone comes in the league and in 13 seasons wins 6 championships and 6 finals MVPs. That shit doesn’t even sound real 🤣🤣
back in the day.. jerry stackhouse. look for what he said, and how MJ responded
In 25 playoff series, Jordan gaurded the best perimeter player 14 times, Pippen 11 times 💯 Scottie didn't always gaurd the best player.. that's a false myth
IMHO looking at MJ play ball vs Bron, MJ looks unreal and supernatural. Bron looks lunky and clunky compared. Thats all for me and stats n whatnot. Bron wasn't as electric as MJ. NBA needed a star man, so Bron was their hype.
We can have a strong opinion because we’ve actually seen ALL 3 Jordan Kobe and LeBron’s WHOLE CAREER unlike someone who’s only seen Kobe or LeBron or Steph😳
Jordan is the greatest to ever do it and it had nothing to do with Scottie Pippen Phil Jackson Winters or the triangle. It was already known to everybody that he was the best in the league before any of them set foot in chicago. Anybody with half a brain already knew that he would win a bunch of titles when he had a team around him, it was just a question of time. Phil Jackson didn't shoot all those mid-range shots. Neither did the triangle offense or Scottie Pippen. He needed a good offensive plan, he needed a good coach, he needed good players around him, but they could have been any number of players and coaches and schemes. The one Irreplaceable piece of the whole puzzle was the 6'6 guy with hands of a 7 ft 6 Center and the feet and agility of a 6 ft 1 guard, AND a historic vertical.
Vernon Maxwell, John Starks, Isaiah Thomas, John Salley, Gary Payton, just to name a few. All shit talkers of Jordans game. These are the closest dudes to fighting Jordan. And each one of these good basketball players lived to regret it, Jordans next visit would be embarrassing for these dudes. If you pissed Jordan off, Jordan would give these fellows 50-60 points.
7 rings = Robert Horry
Respect to the players you call "Plumbers". They played the game with passion while having jobs. While your favorite players today are paid hundreds of millions, in private jets, the best trainers, doctors, advance tech/equipments, even having sleep doctors and personal chefs and other perks and yet they cry and don't want top play back to backs let alone playing the entire 82 games while having rules that basically takes out defense. Spoiled babies is what they are and guess who is the at the forefront? Yes, Lebron himself, your generations so called goat.
Nobody will ever touch MJ. You really had to watch it live to understand it.
I can't believe you thought Jordan played plumbers lol ! He played against some of the best players in NBA history, plus defense was a LOT tougher - you can't even touch a player w/o it being a foull, Jordan would avg. 50 playing in this era. That being said, I applaud your ability to admit when you are wrong, that is a rare trait these days
People say that LeBron is a better athlete, but I respectfully disagree. Lebron is simply a larger athlete and he’s taken great care of his body throughout the years. LeBron is phenomenal but this is what separates them in terms of physicality: Jordan had a 48 inch vertical, ran a 4.3, endless stamina, and had large hands. He dunked on every center he ever faced and every team. And when he did it, he often times took two or three bodies with him because back then the paint was always clogged.
There a part when jordan says I just want the franchise of.the chicago bulls be respected and it's not impossible the way he says it and just wanting to make a dynasty there with the team that believed in him and that's why he is above lebron he could have just stayed in Cleveland and then if he won 4 at least there and builds a lasting unit maybe he would have been the goat but he had to chase the championship so...
Lebron has the points and longevity awards but nothing else over Michael Jordan!!! MJ IS the G.O.A.T. and Lebron isn't, no matter that Lebron anointed himself the goat!!! Facts are facts and it's not up for discussion!!!
Nobody complained that Jordan wasn't taken 1st.