We asked people: Can you wear moko if you don’t whakapapa Māori?

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    It’s a question that has sparked much conversation throughout the years: Is it appropriate for non-Māori to wear moko?
    Ohinga went to Toi Kiri: World Indigenous Tattoo Culture Festival to ask moko enthusiasts what they think on the topic.
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  • @BMass83
    @BMass83 7 місяців тому +14

    I can’t tell anyone else what to do but I am not Māori and I wouldn’t think of it. The Māori traditions and culture are so beautiful but They are not my to take part it. I can appreciate their beauty and rich traditions while still being respectful.

  • @mixmmick
    @mixmmick 11 місяців тому +44

    It's always a tough one, after my mum died (mum was maori) my siblings and I all got tattoos to honour her and our culture. Only my sister and I have maori blood (italian father), my 3 older half brothers don't (ethnically they pretty much pure blood italian), but they had a really strong connection and love for our mum. so much so that when we went to the tohunga ta moko the guy and his wife broke into tears and embraced us when we spoke about it (this only few days after we laid mum to rest, things were still very raw). My brothers didnt get moko though, they got kirituhi. Though my older brother Jim said he once had some young sjw say to him once that it was cultural appropriation, fortunately he has no issues with telling morons to take a hike.
    My sister got her moko a few months after mum died, she's been active in the maori community where she lives for decades (my sister moved to NZ in 1993, from Aust originally) and works a lot with kids (shes a social worker). The way my brother in law (who is 100% maori) explained it to me was that in our family after mum died my sister is essentially became the matriarch (he used a maori word but I don't remember what it was), the moko represents her role as a leader. I can understand why a non maori shouldn't have them, theyre not there for giggles or vanity, they're a mark of honour and gift passed down from our ancestors.

    • @Roytoy-zf5wk
      @Roytoy-zf5wk 9 місяців тому +1

      Ha bro you a maodalian ha ha mean maori mean❤

    • @Roytoy-zf5wk
      @Roytoy-zf5wk 9 місяців тому +1

      If there is maori in your blood and you feel that the ta moko is what you are looking for to guide you to your family roots go hard Maodalian

    • @Roytoy-zf5wk
      @Roytoy-zf5wk 9 місяців тому

      I am of the whakatohea tribe you feel wairua there is no stopping it you will be drawn by wairua no matter what my grate grate gate grandmother was a very beautiful English lady I wear kanohi ta moko for my tupuna all my tupuna go hard maodalian

    • @Roytoy-zf5wk
      @Roytoy-zf5wk 9 місяців тому

      You can be a white man living in a village of maori for years they grow on you they are your family in time you become them you are a put of them before you no it you are wearing line of ta moko and there you have it white man with ta moko so go hard maodalian

    • @mosesappleby4357
      @mosesappleby4357 4 місяці тому

      Was the word kaumatua ?

  • @shoutatthesky
    @shoutatthesky Рік тому +12

    I agree ta moko is for Māori alone. Consider this though - I am pakeha and can trace my ancestry in New Zealand back to the mid 1800s. My adoptive son is Māori (Ngāti Porou) and Tongan. How do I as a pakeha with a very average knowledge of Te ao Māori bring him up with the knowledge and appreciation of his Māori heritage?

    • @Cupcakerehab
      @Cupcakerehab Місяць тому +1

      You could contact your local, 'Te Wangana o Aotearoa' and I'm sure someone from there could offer advice ❤

  • @user-yw8ek4dj5v
    @user-yw8ek4dj5v Рік тому +20

    I'm white af but my mums side of the family is Ngai Tuhoe. My Poppa blessed my greenstone for me and I cherish it and the maori history of the family he taught us and passed down.
    Little nevous to get a ta moko on my arm because I'm white and don't look maori when I kinda am. It's something I really want since my poppa died of cancer to carry on his part of the family and something I'm proud of. Just worried I'll get hassled or looked at weird for not looking Maori.

    • @kingofsludge7262
      @kingofsludge7262 Рік тому +1

      If you got it you could look like him

    • @user-yw8ek4dj5v
      @user-yw8ek4dj5v Рік тому

      @@kingofsludge7262 I'm white with red hair. That gen is too strong as takes over everything else I have with my appearance

    • @natasharawson7753
      @natasharawson7753 Рік тому +1

      I thought this too. I’m white and I got it done and it’s been such a beautiful journey of learning and feeling strong in who it am :)

    • @torichan9872
      @torichan9872 Рік тому +3

      My mums tribe is also Ngai Tūhoe. What Hapu are you from? :)
      Anyway, you're entirely entitled to do what you want to. Of course there will be a few complaints but as long as you remain confident and keep pride in who you are, then you shouldn't need to pay attention to them.

    • @user-yw8ek4dj5v
      @user-yw8ek4dj5v Рік тому +1

      @@torichan9872 I've forgotten so hope my poppa wrote that down. I knew he wrote some stuff down but not all of it

  • @Hapistudios
    @Hapistudios 8 місяців тому +13

    As someone born seeing I can tell you that I have seen Moko Kowai on wahine who have no tattoos on their face. I wish I could describe it because the ink tattoo does not do justice to the colors and patterns I have seen only to realise it is made manifest only by wairua. I have only ever once told the person what I saw and she smiled and cried and told me she had been thinking about if she needed to get one. After our Korero I explained if she wanted one or not didn't matter because it was already there and so it exists. What I can say is that many people carry moko that cannot be seen by the physical eyes. I cannot say if this is why my ancestors began to mark faces but it might explain why they may have decided to do it. I wonder if it is something that one brings with them from the spirit world to this.

  • @TeamMemberNumberEight
    @TeamMemberNumberEight 11 місяців тому +8

    Pākehā with no ink here, so take my opinion as you like lol. As I understand it, the moko is meant to tell your story all the way back to your ancestors and it is chosen and designed for you by others. As long as you honour and respect that tradition then fair enough, though it’s a bit easier if you have at least a little Māori in you. I like what the guy said about leaving it off your face if you’re just going for aesthetics, that seems the fairest way to go

    • @goodputin4324
      @goodputin4324 6 місяців тому

      Eh please go back to Wales or England. Aotearoa is for Maori 😊

  • @Abdul_Rahman86
    @Abdul_Rahman86 3 місяці тому +6

    This is extremely simplified. Imagine you get tattoos of a regiment or a military unit that you’re not affiliated with!
    This is almost the same but much deeper.

  • @Frank-rx8ch
    @Frank-rx8ch Рік тому +4

    No Tuhoe ahau, no te wharuarua O Ruatoki. Some of my tipuna had their moko done, I wear mine on my heart and speak it through my reo that's been passed down .

  • @zanderz-dq6io
    @zanderz-dq6io Рік тому +19

    Kia Ora!
    Quick question
    Although there seemed to be both sides on weather non Māori should get moko, am I correct to understand that kirituhi is a separate thing and generally speaking that would be acceptable? Just a genuine question from a non Māori who loves and would like to learn more about Māori culture!
    Cheers!

    • @ncg17
      @ncg17 Рік тому +20

      Yup. Tā moko is a traditional Māori tattoo that usually has the intent to convey a message that leads back to their heritage and is strictly reserved for Māori and has to be done by a Māori. If it was done for anybody that was outside of the Māori culture then it would be a kirituhi (drawn on skin) and it’s more of the appreciation for the culture if anything. Two very seperate things and I think not enough Māori people know about kirituhis so a lot of Māori people will hassle non Māoris about having one.

  • @visionkrewmusik6472
    @visionkrewmusik6472 3 місяці тому +1

    Yes our markings should be respected spiritually and physically no matter the blood. But alot of people from different areas would disagree as different tribes have different rules

  • @retromeatball4402
    @retromeatball4402 7 місяців тому +3

    i absolutely love culture tattoos and have Polynesian tribal on my arms and legs but these are thing the artist put together that didnt mean anything to me only looks cool. So i decided i needed one that was actually meaningful to me so i went to Hawaii and had an interview with Keone Nunes ( traditional hawaiian tap tattoo artist) and he blessed me with agreeing and tattooing me with a one of a kind personal tattoo that actually has meaning..greatest experience i have ever had

  • @T-rilla
    @T-rilla Рік тому +34

    I’ll be honest I am a samoan and I want to say that I think it’s DISRESPECTFUL to our Māori family to get that if you are not of Māori decent, that goes for whatever reason. Just like if a Asian wants to get a pe’a, just because you think it’s cool is not good enough, this is all about respecting your ancestors and what they have been able to gift to their rightful people ❤️❤️

    • @finncinjaere6293
      @finncinjaere6293 Рік тому

      But for example let’s say a guy comes to aotearoa and marries a maōri girl and is accepted in the family you know he lives there for years and learns the language/culture, is it then okay or would you say it’s still disrespectful? Genuine question would love to hear you thoughts.

    • @finncinjaere6293
      @finncinjaere6293 Рік тому

      @@T-rilla okay thx for answering

    • @finncinjaere6293
      @finncinjaere6293 Рік тому

      @@T-rilla yea I figured haha

    • @Bulltardwin
      @Bulltardwin Рік тому +5

      Just because you're Maori doesn't mean it's ok to get it either. Ta Moko is only supposed to be worn by high ranking Maori. Half these Maori getting it may have come from slave families.

    • @assertive415
      @assertive415 Рік тому +7

      @@Bulltardwin idk what you mean by slave families but your probably palagi

  • @JensGraikowski
    @JensGraikowski 10 місяців тому +6

    I respect EVERY culture and I'm very much in favour of keeping traditions alive. I'm German but I have a half sleeve on my right forearm in the style of Maori tattoos but incorporating symbols from cultures all over the world. I love the art (to me Polinesian styles are the most beautiful in the tattoo world), but I want to express my desire to be multi-culti, respecting ALL cultures and traditions. 🙏🏼😎

    • @kamauwikeepa7308
      @kamauwikeepa7308 10 місяців тому +5

      It's a language in stylised form using the language of Ranginui and Papatuanuku their children down to us. It's totally whakapapa that cannot be changed.

    • @JensGraikowski
      @JensGraikowski 10 місяців тому +4

      I understand your perspective, @@kamauwikeepa7308, but it's essential to recognize that languages continually evolve. If you were to travel to medieval England, you would likely struggle to comprehend the language spoken by the people at that time due to the influence of migration and diverse cultures throughout history. The same holds true for the language of Polynesian tattoos, which has also experienced changes over time. There are now interesting contemporary variations available.
      Let me clarify that I firmly believe that everyone has the right to choose what they like, as long as it does not harm others. So, if someone prefers to stick with traditional Polynesian tattoos, that's perfectly acceptable. I wholeheartedly support respecting one's cultural traditions. Nevertheless, change is an inevitable part of life. "Change is the only constant in life." ~ Heraclitus

    • @Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1
      @Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 9 місяців тому

      The spiral features in ancient cave drawings. Caveman witnessed technology so got inspired.

  • @mdubleyew7924
    @mdubleyew7924 4 місяці тому +3

    This is what kirituhi is for.

  • @CalijayOfficial
    @CalijayOfficial Рік тому +3

    Quick question. My mother is Māori, her entire family have originated from New Zealand and she grew up there. When she was in her 20s she traveled to Scotland and met my dad. They have lived here for many years now and I was born here. Am I Māori or did I have to be born in New Zealand like her?

    • @lezzybum3656
      @lezzybum3656 Рік тому +11

      You Māori bro,
      Both my parents are Māori, Born in New Zealand and came to Australia and had a family I’m born and raised in Australia and sound very Australian but I look Māori as Shit ! You Māori cuz !

    • @karendavis1857
      @karendavis1857 10 місяців тому +1

      If you whakapapa to Aotearoa then your Maori end of 😉

    • @aimee-leighkelly2906
      @aimee-leighkelly2906 10 місяців тому +5

      Māori is an ethnicity not a Nationality so yes of course you are Māori 😂 and if ever you feel like getting a tā moko, come on back to Aotearoa

  • @_.Marz._
    @_.Marz._ Рік тому +17

    I always thought moko was about whakapapa so with that said...No

    • @Mycatsayspspsp
      @Mycatsayspspsp Рік тому +1

      To be able to whakapapa you have to be considered Māori. So it's kinda a yes as well

    • @_.Marz._
      @_.Marz._ Рік тому +1

      @@Mycatsayspspsp toe-may-toe......tomato lol

    • @tonymorgan9240
      @tonymorgan9240 Рік тому

      yes ??

    • @_.Marz._
      @_.Marz._ Рік тому +1

      @@tonymorgan9240 It says "Can non Māori wear moko" and my answer was No

    • @acarroll6842
      @acarroll6842 Рік тому +1

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnet_Burns

  • @up.northbro
    @up.northbro Рік тому +4

    Interesting to see Maori defend both sides i was sure they would have all said a hard no

  • @tekopuakanapanapa6824
    @tekopuakanapanapa6824 4 місяці тому

    Kirituhi is for non-maori and is a beautiful way of sharing part of our culture with others.

  • @iyamhaut728
    @iyamhaut728 8 місяців тому

    if anyone can answer this i would really like amazingly appreciate this. I’m NZ European but my great great grandmother was full māori, I was thinking about getting ta moko somewhere for that sake of māori in my blood but im so terrified of getting hate for being mostly pākeha with moko (i have blue eyes and brown hair with white skin) but my main question is am i allowed or able to get ta moko even if im not full māori?

    • @jonjonruakere1030
      @jonjonruakere1030 8 місяців тому +1

      If you can whakapapa (trace your genealogy to) Maaori, then you are Maaori. Go for it

    • @classtilton871
      @classtilton871 5 місяців тому

      I think it depends on why you get it, and your reason is good.
      for example i was basically adopted into a tongan family and they want me to go to tonga to get a traditional tap done.
      I have zero tongan blood but if my family tells me they eant me to then ima do it.
      Id do the same if they were maori

  • @solomonhema2986
    @solomonhema2986 2 місяці тому

    Trevor Bentleys book Pakeha Taa Moko is a good read…

  • @sll857
    @sll857 11 місяців тому +1

    So quick question, is that ok for a non Māori to get a Maori style kirituhi??

    • @aimee-leighkelly2906
      @aimee-leighkelly2906 10 місяців тому +1

      Yup. As long as they respect the history behind their design and the culture in which it comes from

  • @freelancerconverse4413
    @freelancerconverse4413 5 місяців тому

    Non Maori born NZ now living in Aus,I’m thinking of getting a sleeve represent my hometown Otara Akl NZ and all my Maori mates I grew up with.

  • @goldenhaze6880
    @goldenhaze6880 Рік тому +6

    Im not Maori Im from the Caribbean but i just got a whole sleeve of Maori and i want to do a whole full body suit of Maori. I very much respect the culture and the art that is why i like the tattoo.

    • @sages101
      @sages101 8 місяців тому +4

      And honestly, liking the culture and artwork is a good enough reason. Anyone who tries to shove their "cultural appropriation" views in your face can go kick rocks.

    • @goldenhaze6880
      @goldenhaze6880 8 місяців тому

      @@sages101 Yess Sir i am getting a whole body suit in Maori style done i like the Koru style

    • @rxpeka
      @rxpeka 7 місяців тому

      @@sages101Are you Māori? Lol

    • @rxpeka
      @rxpeka 7 місяців тому

      @@goldenhaze6880Why? Why do you want your whole body of our culture?

    • @goldenhaze6880
      @goldenhaze6880 7 місяців тому

      @@rxpeka Kirituhi

  • @WADE_WILSON_XFORCE
    @WADE_WILSON_XFORCE 4 місяці тому

    To anyone it may concern, I am a White New Zealander and not a Pakeha. Thank You in advance.

  • @rochellejjphiilips8888
    @rochellejjphiilips8888 Рік тому

    If your Maori an you don't speak the reo it will give you more joy to learn I fear if you do

  • @WADE_WILSON_XFORCE
    @WADE_WILSON_XFORCE 4 місяці тому +1

    Barcode for WINZ

  • @moanabell3550
    @moanabell3550 Рік тому +9

    People can do whatever the hell they want with their face and their skin.

    • @milfordsouthon2495
      @milfordsouthon2495 Рік тому

      @oriwhia Look its like the Matatini festival in Auckland they would have exhausted all the possible benefits to get there and back. Very Naughty indeed

    • @Benjamin-om3ih
      @Benjamin-om3ih Рік тому +3

      I mean, you can sure. Your not going to get in legal trouble. But this discussion is an ethical one not a legal one

    • @Baronsamsam
      @Baronsamsam Рік тому +1

      Of course you can, but its about respect for other peoples wishes and culture. For instance you can totally go to japan and be a loud mouthed annoying foreigner. But then that is what you are. Someone who doesnt respect the land youre visiting and their culture.

  • @MTT-ic3ci
    @MTT-ic3ci 4 місяці тому

    The most powerful tool that connects us to our maori roots is tikanga, manaakitanga to guide us. He Mataora puhoro and such i understand is a no no for non-maori, but moko is ka pai as long as they know who its for, what it means, where they got it, and why they wear it, into it let them represent.

  • @kaeobermoy4401
    @kaeobermoy4401 10 місяців тому

    What if a kanaka maoli to wear a moko ? We are cousins rite ?

  • @Twistedviolets
    @Twistedviolets 7 місяців тому

    It’s ours!🙌🏽

    • @user-oh4yd5uh4e
      @user-oh4yd5uh4e 6 місяців тому +1

      Exactly! That´s why I don´t do ram raids. That´s your thing also.

  • @coffeine1924
    @coffeine1924 11 місяців тому +2

    Honsetly I fell like its an amazing way to spread our culture.In my opinion Culture should be spread throughtout the world for everyone to embrace and to have people throughout the world identify with our culture and spread its values would be amazing. Our culture has been supressed for too long and for it to get global recongnition through our mokos would be amazing. No one man or woman has the right to gatekeep our culture and any culture for that fact. If you can identify with the values and belifes of our culture then I hope you can wear it with pride and that it may bring mana to your life. We should show love to those people that embrace our culutre and if you think that others carrying our mokos diminishes your own then maybe your not weraing it for the right reasons. As a people we should all feel welcome to all the culutres of the world if we can identify with their values. As maori we should embrace those who wish to embrace our culture otherwise we risk to be forever gatekeepers to the cultulre we love.

  • @MacOne53
    @MacOne53 2 місяці тому

    Yaaawn.

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому

    I'll get all of you

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому +1

    The only real moko in the world....STR8 THE FUCK ON.

  • @eastcoasthoney
    @eastcoasthoney 3 місяці тому

    I'd say...why? Why would you want to wear precious taonga from another culture to tell your story about you? ..
    Even if you are whangai your blood is your blood...Maori or not...could you hold your head proud and talk about u and your ancestors while wearing this..which is the point I say...each to their own at the end of the day..Your journey is yours to carry....if u do...all the best 😊

  • @konseptikonrekords
    @konseptikonrekords Рік тому +1

    Do you need to be Austrian to play Mozart then?

    • @Basslessonsuk
      @Basslessonsuk 11 місяців тому +3

      Given that Mozart wasn't Austrian, the answer is no.

  • @Insanemembrane93
    @Insanemembrane93 11 місяців тому

    I love the art but as a white American . I feel like I could respect the culture in other ways. But I will admit. If I had the opportunity to get just a small one on my arm somewhere I probably would mostly out of reverence. That being said I started studying the culture for a while now and I really appreciate and what the marks mean .

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому

    It'd my new language, I'll say whatever I have to.

  • @franciscojavierriosmartine3973
    @franciscojavierriosmartine3973 9 місяців тому

    que se lo haga quien quiera

  • @mockbattles
    @mockbattles 10 днів тому

    I’d have to be invited by a Kuia and must be done the traditional way.
    As John Rutherford did in 1826.

  • @Mr-pn2eh
    @Mr-pn2eh 4 місяці тому

    If i got a moko as a white American i would put my own spin on it by having the pattern be car themed

  • @AbbyFlanagan-pt7yx
    @AbbyFlanagan-pt7yx 6 місяців тому

    I'm a kinda dark olive skin but look more like my indian side the my Maori but I want to get one one day

  • @angels-are-real8072
    @angels-are-real8072 4 місяці тому

    Well at the end of the day a person's body is really theirs, if they want to wear tattoos it's essentially their choice to do so or not too, there's no Laws in NZ against people having tattoos or body piercings, it's not a criminal activity or crime or breaking any Laws. And yes I do get/understand the cultural thing too, but in a way it's really quite sad too that many Maori are quite anti and object to non Maori wanting to wear Maori styled tattoos (even say on their arms), well the only people they're really alienating against is the very tiny minority of Pakehas (Europeans) whom love Maori culture and values, it alienates their Pakeha allies, it really doesn't effect anyone else, you'll never ever see Pakehas like Don Brash wanting to wear a Moko or a Tiki, or any Asians, Indians, or a majority of Europeans for that matter, this will probably soon start to extend to the objecting of non Maori wearing Tikis or Greenstone ornaments too, and thank goodness this doesn't go the other way round with Europeans like Don Brash accusing Maori of cultural appropriation and objecting to their using such things as electricity and automobiles, but you never know.

  • @Bebe-og3bc
    @Bebe-og3bc 9 місяців тому

    All of it is Beautiful! The Men look so Handsome and strong!

  • @Rooftopaccessorizer
    @Rooftopaccessorizer 8 місяців тому

    I got too much facial hair for moko. It have to shave twice a day

  • @bnjmnpierce
    @bnjmnpierce 9 місяців тому

    As a Pakeha it isn’t against the law but I don’t think many of us would think it was appropriate. Seems to be the consensus among everyone.

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому

    Good 1 Gabriel GOOD 1

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому

    We never do it

  • @bazjones5282
    @bazjones5282 Місяць тому

    There are a lot of misinformed comments here.Many people today wearing Moko have not followed tradition and would not be allowed them.There were also Pakeha that were given the honor of wearing them as they became part of tribes.Barnet Burns is one of the most famous.

  • @aaronravlich6859
    @aaronravlich6859 4 місяці тому

    There's old paintings of pakeha colonists who chose to live amongst maori

  • @keiheaherakiwi1611
    @keiheaherakiwi1611 5 місяців тому

    For me personally why NOT they are embracing culture why not

  • @ClassicGaualofa
    @ClassicGaualofa 28 днів тому

    Getting ta moko is Māori. It’s their cultural identity. Same way the Samoan pe’a is for Samoan.
    Each design has been created for set holder to connect to their heritage and cultural identity
    It can be said getting these tattoos if you are not of the culture can be taboo and bring bad misfortune to your life. Although each to their own people can do as they please.

  • @Sasasala386
    @Sasasala386 11 місяців тому

    That's a beautiful and precious art! Religions or traditions shouldn't be oppressed. Brings me joy to see this.

  • @user-ws6pb1pb1e
    @user-ws6pb1pb1e 2 місяці тому

    I support the tattoo artist and one of the ladies. I don't usually have an opinion on much, on this fuck yes I do.
    I do not believe pakeha or any tauiwi should be given a moko kauae or ta moko. Unless they really took the time to learn our tikanga or became part of our community in some way. If they became respected enough. Then maybe. But to give it to any pakeha, NO. Absolutely NOT. That is a taonga to our people. In the old days it was ONLY worn by royalty.
    Kiri tuhi on the other hand, that has been made available for any tauiwi who have admiration for our culture, to have their story tattooed onto their bodies. Anywhere excluding the face.

  • @josh4601
    @josh4601 Рік тому +2

    Here's my opinion. If you can turn yourself from a man to a woman these days, or visa versa. You can do whatever you want to your own body.

    • @livia.886
      @livia.886 Рік тому

      gender is differen to ethnic backround.

    • @josh4601
      @josh4601 Рік тому

      @@livia.886 the key part here being, YOUR OWN BODY.
      I have no right to tell people that they can't put ink under their own skin in a certain way.
      I'm not saying you can change your ethnic background, i'm saying that if you can chop off your knob and call yourself a chick.
      You can put ink under your skin.
      I don't care what other people do with their body.

    • @dazSToNeYclK
      @dazSToNeYclK 10 місяців тому

      ​@@josh4601why would someone put a moko or tamoko on their body without any meaning or identity behind it is besides me 😂. Culture less beingss 😂.

  • @MRT-co1sd
    @MRT-co1sd Рік тому

    Indigenous People from southern China and Taiwan also have similar cravings. Could it be NZ Maoris are originally from there?

    • @rebeccabriggs2982
      @rebeccabriggs2982 11 місяців тому

      South East Asia from what I know. They come down through Polynesia.
      Plus the DNA and culture of those here before the polynesian fleets.

  • @user-ky4jm1fd3b
    @user-ky4jm1fd3b Рік тому

    Me personally I am pākehā however in my whakapapa I have Māori - does that mean I am Māori?

    • @1Ma9iN8tive
      @1Ma9iN8tive Рік тому +5

      The way you have written your post isn’t clear.
      In the first instance You claim to be Pākehā … let’s unpack that a bit. To be Pākehā means you gave zero Māori Whakapapa in the form of genetic ancestors who were Māori. If this is the case - then you are a Pākehā.
      But then … you state that in your whakapapa you DO have a Māori genetic ancestry connection. If this is true that you have a direct connection to a Māori ancestor THEN you have the right to claim your Māori Identity - meaning you can confidently say you are Māori. Why? Because being Māori isn’t limited to blood quantum. That’s a colonised way of thinking projected upon Māori by non-Māori racism institutionalised in our society by colonisation.
      The curious part of your post is when you say “Me personally I am Pākehā…” I would ask … why do you say this?
      Do you have a direct Māori ancestor or not?
      The answer is either a) Yes or b) No.
      If yes - then you are Māori.
      If no - then you are not.
      It’s that simple.

  • @Plutoog
    @Plutoog Рік тому +3

    People forget we are stuck on one planet shame on gate keeping I agree it’s there culture not saving to get ur face tatted but seems crazy to be in the position where art belongs to only ur small island how we still haven’t figured out the fact we are all human an we share ancestors regardless of the last 1000+ years

    • @rxpeka
      @rxpeka 7 місяців тому

      Seems more crazier to me to want somebody else’s culture on your skin 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 now that’s crazy.

  • @FTB-ns2ze
    @FTB-ns2ze 6 місяців тому

    Lol that lady with the hat is not Māori… I’m not either… lol she met a Māori once and her brother was friends with one so now she thinks she’s one😂😂

  • @kharndowdell9117
    @kharndowdell9117 16 днів тому

    Cuz we live on a spinning rock soo anyone can get one

  • @vecnabumcheeks4818
    @vecnabumcheeks4818 Рік тому

    This is me if people should dance hula

  • @Leman.Russ.6thLegion
    @Leman.Russ.6thLegion 6 місяців тому +2

    Yes.
    We can, and you can't stop people.

    • @_.Marz._
      @_.Marz._ 4 місяці тому

      Sure....why not. You kharnts took everything else 😒

  • @shiozza
    @shiozza 3 місяці тому

    I will respect the people whose opinion is that maori can't wear it as long as they apply it to maori people getting non maori tattoo. My sister has moko and also has a Norse tattoo yet she'll claim it's different because Norse tattoo is not as sacred as tamoko, which I believe she knows is rubbish excuse and also, who the hell are maori to claim what other cultures tattoos mean to them.

  • @JeffDaMaori420
    @JeffDaMaori420 Рік тому +2

    I've heard stories of early European settlers leaving white society to live with the maori and being given ta moko by the maori, if the ancestors saw no problem with it why would we?

    • @livia.886
      @livia.886 Рік тому +1

      bc those europens proved themselves.

    • @dazSToNeYclK
      @dazSToNeYclK 10 місяців тому +1

      Not anyone can get a moko. Remember that.

    • @JeffDaMaori420
      @JeffDaMaori420 10 місяців тому +1

      @@livia.886 and how many maori have actually proved themselves today? None of us follow the laws of tapu anymore most our men have never fought in a war and most of us can't even speak what's left of our language...

    • @aimee-leighkelly2906
      @aimee-leighkelly2906 10 місяців тому +1

      @@JeffDaMaori420there’s no such thing as “proving yourself” in order to get tā moko if you whakapapa Māori. Tā moko is our birthright, a gift from our tupuna. Why do those pakeha have to prove themselves? Because it’s NOT their birthright or a gift from their ancestors. I can hardly imagine our tupuna would have just given these strangers moko if they had asked. THEY had to earn it because tā moko is ours.

  • @colors8310
    @colors8310 10 місяців тому +2

    I am not indiginous,but a strong ally,i would say.
    My opinion on this is,if you love the people and respect them,you would accept that some parts of their culture,just are'nt for you. You would love it for them,but accept that,with a few things you can just watch and appreciate and not have for your own.
    A lot of the times,in my view at least,people are Apropriating and not apreciating...🤷🏻‍♀️
    🍀👋

  • @ericf7063
    @ericf7063 6 місяців тому +1

    I don't understand why anyone would want a tribal or cultural tattoo if they're not of that culture. Yeah sure, someone can admire and embrace it, but at the end of the day, they're not of that culture. There are certain lines you don't cross, otherwise it's vulgar appropriation. Not genuine. I can understand why some would find it offensive.

  • @kalimatauwhati6723
    @kalimatauwhati6723 Рік тому

    are u significant?

  • @CEToorn
    @CEToorn 8 місяців тому

    I would never want one, it's just not for me and I do think it's a strictly Maori thing.
    I also think in today's society it's strived for to see everybody as one and not as "us" and "them" so I am not sure if I should feel that way.

  • @BruderSenf
    @BruderSenf 2 місяці тому

    if you really want one, go for it even if your only reason is that you find it beautiful, saying you cant coz "you aint from the right blood" is a non argument!

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому

    Swerve to get it

  • @punkybrewstar83
    @punkybrewstar83 Рік тому +1

    No

  • @josephjamesrollo9826
    @josephjamesrollo9826 6 днів тому

    Yes pakeha can. But they will look out of place with a moko. 😆

  • @calumlittle9828
    @calumlittle9828 4 місяці тому

    They all look a bit samey to me. The tattoos too. 😂

  • @malachidavie5764
    @malachidavie5764 Рік тому +103

    Whanau getting too precious. Complain that pakeha don’t accept our culture but when they do and want to wear our moko it’s not good enough. I agree anyone can get Ta Moko aslong as they wear it with pride and don’t get it just to show off like a lot of the whanau over in Aussie

    • @taylorhine2962
      @taylorhine2962 Рік тому +44

      Accepting our culture is accepting that Moko is more or less only for Maori. Ofc we're complaining

    • @shannizzle22
      @shannizzle22 Рік тому +4

      100! I’d LOVE to have one but I wouldn’t get it until I understood the culture more (I’m from South Africa) but I think withholding certain people from experiencing these moments does more harm than good.

    • @casperpaynekai6590
      @casperpaynekai6590 Рік тому +29

      Pakeha cannot wear Moko kauae not only because
      1) He Taonga tiki iho mai I o tātou Tupuna, mai I O tātou Tipua, mai I Ō tatou Ātua mo Māori nioho ke. but not only that
      2) when you think about the fact that the Tohunga Suppresion Act was lifter only 61 years ago. With alot of our Tikanga and Kawa almost erased from history forever. It puts you in a situation where no matter how much you love your pakeha friend. Our Tupuna faced and died violently to the Pakeha.
      But if they relate and have whakapapa Māori, of course they can get a Moko. Our Māori whanau in Australia get unnecessaryly shit on. They are still Māori and it's not their fault they had to go elsewhere to put Kai on the table and a roof over their heads.
      That will never take away the Fact they are Māori through and through.
      But if you do not have whakapapa Māori whatsoever, you CANNOT GET A TĀ MOKO.
      It will make them sick and in worse cases if they are not safe. They could have seriously fatal consequences. So not only out of the respect of our culture but also the wellbeing of Pakeha. Do not get a Tā Moko if you only have pakeha and no Māori Ancestory and Whakapapa.

    • @michellenicholls9039
      @michellenicholls9039 Рік тому +8

      Hell no

    • @michellenicholls9039
      @michellenicholls9039 Рік тому +16

      Only Māori can carry Ta moko in general

  • @kalimatauwhati6723
    @kalimatauwhati6723 Рік тому +6

    tikanga says no

    • @pounamu7544
      @pounamu7544 Рік тому

      Tikanga is showing respect to our culture. Periodt

  • @randywoodworth5990
    @randywoodworth5990 Рік тому +6

    My ancestors were Celts and Anglo-Saxons so any tattoos i get will be symbols and knot work patterns from those cultures.

    • @generalpurpose772
      @generalpurpose772 Рік тому

      The Picts would tattoo themselves with images of animals, so that’s also an option.

    • @josh4601
      @josh4601 Рік тому

      @@generalpurpose772 the Picts were almost entirely wiped out by the Romans, very very few people alive have pict blood

    • @rebeccabriggs2982
      @rebeccabriggs2982 11 місяців тому

      ​@@josh4601I'm a McNaughton we descend from the Nectans a Pictish people including kings.

    • @josh4601
      @josh4601 11 місяців тому +2

      @@rebeccabriggs2982 Then you are very rare.

    • @Paperchaser101
      @Paperchaser101 9 місяців тому

      @@rebeccabriggs2982nobody cares

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому

    They all have to go.

  • @charlietwotimes
    @charlietwotimes 17 днів тому

    I question why some Māori wear it. If we're smoking, drinking, cutting our hair or anything else "plastic" don't even start thinking about it. Moko is not decorative. They're not "tough badges" either. Ta moko comes with heavy spiritual & knowledge implications. It's not an outward display, it's a deeper inner understanding.
    Each to their own, but not for me. You have to be worthy of wearing it.

  • @Johanna-iu6ly
    @Johanna-iu6ly 8 місяців тому +1

    Of course they can... Just be called a tattoo and not a moko

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому

    Drawing on others faces uninvited

  • @sandwormgod4771
    @sandwormgod4771 6 місяців тому

    I'm an old, ink free, white guy. Only a Māori should wear any Moko tattoo. There are other tattoo's for a non Māori to have, but I don't mean other indigenous peoples tattoo's. The problem is non indigenous tattoo's have no real meaning and are by comparison pretty poor in my opinion. What sort of tattoo could I, as an Englishman get, that represents England? Fish and chips, or a fat person eating a pie? Everyone nation within the United Kingdom can have celtic designs, symbols, or mythical beasts, whereas England appears to be devoid of this type of history.

  • @jamie_d___
    @jamie_d___ Місяць тому

    Looking at humans through the lens of race and culture is divisive . We are all children of God , end of .

  • @ygjt76v0-----
    @ygjt76v0----- 6 місяців тому

    Maori people look like malayan people, but their bones look more big

    • @user-oh4yd5uh4e
      @user-oh4yd5uh4e 6 місяців тому

      Do the malayan people also do ram raids?

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому

    It's my land, ill drown it if I want.

  • @sash9249
    @sash9249 Рік тому +5

    There were pākehā that were granted moko in the 1800s. Look up pākehā māori. There are a number of books out there on that subject. It's considered appropriation these days, probably rightly so as māori culture has become the minority and not the norm.

    • @NA-sj9jy
      @NA-sj9jy 9 місяців тому

      Miggers gotta always call us paaarhkeyhaaa....aye Migger. Yes the P word is offensive...so if you insist on being offensive...you get it back.

  • @cleanUPcuck
    @cleanUPcuck 8 місяців тому

    Well go tell Mike Tyson then 😂

    • @rxpeka
      @rxpeka 7 місяців тому

      That’s not moko, that’s kirituhi 🤡

    • @cleanUPcuck
      @cleanUPcuck 6 місяців тому

      Kiriidgaf 😂 you lost your land now us white men own it 😂

  • @honahwikeepa2115
    @honahwikeepa2115 6 місяців тому

    Maori used to be a 'No But' falla when I was born. Now he can be a girl.

  • @Urso51
    @Urso51 8 місяців тому

    Maori culture is only 700 years old. Surely most people across the earth share the same genes. Where does the line go?

  • @smelb84
    @smelb84 9 місяців тому

    100% non-maori can get Moko. Many Pakeha Kiwi are proud of their NZ heritage for which the ao Maori some are most proud of. If they wear it with honour It is no business of others.

    • @Johanna-iu6ly
      @Johanna-iu6ly 8 місяців тому

      On anyone other than Maori, it's a tattoo

    • @rxpeka
      @rxpeka 7 місяців тому

      Where’d you get your information from? 😂 I need links for this “100%” stuff you speak of? Because this is FALSE. Non Māori can’t get “moko” that is strictly for Māori people, however they can get Kirituhi.

    • @user-oh4yd5uh4e
      @user-oh4yd5uh4e 6 місяців тому +1

      You don´t understand how the world works. If I find an artist in Iceland, France or Outer Mongolia and give that person enough money then I can get a moko. The artist just needs a picture of one. Nothing more. Now your argument to that might be "But that is not a moko because you don´t whakapapa." But moko is just a word and nothing more. You see I could say to that artist could you please give me a tattoo of a banana on my face and hand them a picture of a moko and say that it is a banana. I want exactly that banana tattoed on my face. Do yourself a favour and get this "that is strictly for maori people" attitude out of your head. McDonald´s is as colonialistic as it can get........but you maoris still go there. @@rxpeka

    • @WADE_WILSON_XFORCE
      @WADE_WILSON_XFORCE 4 місяці тому

      I am a White European New Zealand born citizen not a Pakeha.

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому

    It's just a rabbit 🐰

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому

    I'm a slave

  • @kilipaki87oritahiti
    @kilipaki87oritahiti Рік тому +8

    No! Moko and Moko Kauae is an identity marker that speaks of ones whaka papa, and tupuna, ones ancestors. Why wear someone's traditional markings if not from that culture, or if not Maori? Makes no sense. If you're part of the community, give back, and if married into it, then different story, but that should be up to each single Iwi, and whanau to decide if that someone should be allowed to wear their markings... I'm not Maori, but indigenous, and we have the same issues. Colonized for 500+ years by Spain, England, USA and lastly invaded by Japan during WW2. So much was destroyed, so much historic and generational trauma, colonial mentality and brainwash, idenity issues and amnesia, but more and more people are decolonizing, healing, and taking back ones ancient markings worn by our ancestors, as some tribes that was never conquered managed to keep the tradition alive, and we even got help from our cousins in Samoa in regards to tools and techniques, is a huge part of that. And even within cultures, cultural appropriation is a big problem, as people get markings from other clans/tribes without being from that village etc, under the guise of ethnicity. Better to do your own research, and make sure you honor the right ancestors! Because it's by your markings you will be reconized in the afterlife by your ancestors! I see the same within Polynesia, Samoan and Maori getting chin markings from the Mollucans which are Melanesian, or throat and cheast designs that are indigenous to the Philippines... or even Inuit female chin and finger markings, under the guise of being indigenous! You may not see the problem, but in terms of revival, and decolonization it is! Each culture shoudl be able to govern their own decolonization process how they see fit. If outsiders and foreigners are taking their sacred markings, well it won't be sacred anymore, nor will it have that original meaning of carrying the markings of ones ancestors that was a right of passage, medicine, amulets etc. I have my own chin adn forehead tataus, and I'm due to ignorance and stereotypes being mistaken for Inuit, or Maori all the time, tho disatn related proven by DNA, linguistic and archeological evidence. Annoying. But I didn't get my markings for my own selfish reasons, but for my ancestors, to honor and reconnect with my pre colonial culture, to decolonize, and heal. I meet so much prejudice, and discrimination, but I don't regret it, nor will I be ashsamed and hide growing up and living in a predomently ethnic white Christian country, culture, and society!

  • @sergioagra3846
    @sergioagra3846 18 днів тому

    but they wear occidental clothes...

  • @pounamu7544
    @pounamu7544 Рік тому +7

    MOKO IS FOR MĀORI & MĀORI ALONE.

    • @Bulltardwin
      @Bulltardwin Рік тому +1

      Wrong. Moko is for high ranking Maori alone.

    • @livia.886
      @livia.886 Рік тому

      @@Bulltardwin wrong. its for any who hs the blood

    • @Bulltardwin
      @Bulltardwin Рік тому +1

      @@livia.886 Nope. Not true.

  • @wadevictor
    @wadevictor Рік тому

    Yeah graduation earned to say this or those ,them tap tap bone from earned male female stone from relates one leader to read at once WHAT it is FOR not

  • @Gaxbiez
    @Gaxbiez Рік тому

    So it’s a fad? Got it.

  • @JonathanRodriguez-bx3hm
    @JonathanRodriguez-bx3hm 2 місяці тому

    seriously, who wants to get those hideous tattooes on the face though.

  • @arawiri
    @arawiri Рік тому

    They all dead

  • @koro287
    @koro287 4 місяці тому

    Copy cats

  • @brucepetty6059
    @brucepetty6059 4 місяці тому

    They look terrible you're doing it to be cool there's no documentation on these tattoos