Eibach VS OEM spec springs. Which is better for the Alfa Romeo GTV?
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Full initial setup suspension setup on my car:
Koni Sport adjustable shocks absorbers.
Eibach Pro 20mm springs
Fully Polly bushes rear end.
In this episode I remove the Eibach springs in favour of some OEM specification springs for a better, more compliant ride on real world public roads. The results is quite simply drastic! For smooth roads or track use the Eibach are perfectly fine but for normal road use they just aren’t fit for purpose. A stiff ride doesn’t necessarily mean better road holding for normal use. I hope you enjoy the video.
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Stock springs are the way to go. Looks perfect now.
got eibachs on mine, not been happy for a long time with it and have bought a set of suplex springs to swap them out with. I think you have just convinced me to make that my next job Rick. Well done mate the car is looking awesome!
What I've noticed with the eibach pro kit on the V6 is that the rear sits a little bit too low compared to the front. I'm convinced this contributes to the problems in handling. On the TS it looks level. I don't think eibach ever got those springs right for the V6.
Hi Steve. Honestly, you won’t believe the difference it makes. You won’t be disappointed 👍🏼
@@ds1868 you are absolutely right. I never liked the look of the rear end in comparison to the front.
Placing the inner tube on the spring compressor is also better for the grip on the spring. So it is more safe to work. :)
Really enjoyed that Rick.... 👍🏻
I went for as close to standard on mine as recommended by my Alfa Guru.
Koni Street... Suplex... and all new arms with the rose joints.... also fitted a Quaife while I was at it.
No complaints from me with regards to the handling.... although she's back off the road now for a bit more fettling. 👍🏻
I think alfa say do not use polybushes as the oem rubber gives comp,iance and adds to rear wheel steering in fast corners, aka legendary Alfa handling.
The bushes are soft from new for that reason.
I had the same set up as you and have experimented with every setting of the yellow konis. Best setting was mid setting on the rear and 1 turn from hardest on the fronts or so
Looks stunning from the side Rick just like mine ! I’m on koni street shocks and suplex springs all round but I’ve gone for kyb rear shocks rides great and sits correctly 👌
Thanks Dean. I was never a fan of how it sat with the Eibach springs, particularly on the rear. I expressed my concern about fitting them before I’d even taken delivery of them. Anyway, I’m much happier now that it’s sitting and handling as it should. Literally transformed 👏🏼👍🏼
Awesome! So nice to see you enjoying it - well worth all the effort working on the car! Good stuff!
Hey Rick
Always enjoy watching 👍
You can also get powerflex to front lower suspension arms. It gives just a little bit more sharpness in steering on the front. Have it on mine.
I also got koni, but have tried different setups and now using 30mm Vogtland springs. Eibach are hard springs and Vogtland are a bit more soft. I've got powerflex both front and rear. Koni front about 2 turns and rear in click 2.
Have been on some trackdays and with toyo r888 on it. It drives like it is on rails.. But not much oem over it 😂
Thank you for sharing your experiences and tips.
R888/R888r tyres are quite legendary. A fantastic summer and track day tyre. Extremely sticky 👌🏼👍🏼
That is one clean car man and it sounds awesome.
Hi, I have same result. I put Eibach out of my GTV, but only from rear side. I use same dampers Koni :)
Definitely it’s a better ride
Hi Rick! I’m really enjoying your videos. Keep them coming. Top tip with the paddling pool BTW👍
Thanks Michael. Really appreciate the feedback 👍🏼
hey rick, nice video again! I lowered my twinnie too, about 25mm with KAW-springs, koni street. it drives poor compared to factory springs, but the lowering looks very sharp, I love that and won't rebuild it anyway. conclusion, as yours: factory standard works best! they did a really good job.
Yo Rick, nice clean job as always. If you do this job again, safety wire up the coils when they're compressed. Also, you have to oil up the threads on the coil compressors with a lightweight oil, ie 10 weight ie ATF. The resistance you felt winding em has a lot to do with this.
Hello Sir. Thanks for the tip!
Exchanging tips is what it’s all about 👍🏼
Actually you can fit and remove the Eibach springs without a spring compressor. You need to compress the spring just a tiny bit by hand to fit the nut.
The Eibach is stronger because of the bigger diameter wire used. Not because the way it is wound.
As someone who's contemplated a spring swap I'm convinced to keep her standard - James May approves too I'm sure! 😃
Keep the videos coming Rick! I've got the twin of your car down here in Sydney 😊
Brilliant! Enjoy, Aaron. I hope I’ve saved you a few Dollars too. Keep her standard 😊👍🏼
Did you forget the cup, it was sitting on the bench when you were doing up the nut
Another fantastic video. The new mic working great!
Thank you Sir 🎩 👍🏼
I've had 2 sets of sufflex springs snap after 1 year on konis
Mate, the ABS sensor didn't 100% clip in the centre of the bung at the shocky mount and my OCD is going nuts lol. Good episode Rick!
Hahaha Yes I rectified that off camera. Well spotted! 😂
As commented before for some reason the eibach pro kit springs don't work the best with the V6. I think you're doing the rjght thing by going oe spec which presumably is the Suplex you bought and keep the Koni shocks. Definitely get the Alfa holics uprated ARBs On the TS a trick at the front is to fit the ARB from the Fiat coupe. This is a direct fit but is 23mm diameter. Works really well.
The Alfaholics ARB kit to iron out excessive roll will be the icing on the cake for how it’s driving right now. I’m definitely going in the right direction now anyway. Thank God haha 👍🏼
155 V6 has also 23mm ARB @ Front. 👍
Just found your channel and enjoyed this video. Lovely GTV. I have a 166 TS but looking at a V6 916 Spider or GTV.
He doesn’t own this car anymore and he seems to have disappeared
I have what you have except the powerflex, oem bushes for me. Less firm and more coupe, mini gt like
Awsome car buddy.
Thanks James. I really do love the thing
@@_RicksGarage yup. They get under your skin.
Worried now mines gona be on 19s but on koni str struts hope i laugh like you when its on road
To be honest Paul, running 19s on a GTV isn’t going to handle or feel great regardless of what suspension you put on it really. If it’s looks you want then just go for it and enjoy it regardless 👍🏼
I have koni sports shocks and eibachs but have suplex springs too... Decisions
Way to go!
Hi Rick. Will the previous set up with eibachs work on highways and good roads? I'm living in Dubai where pot hole is science fiction, and would like to keep the lower look of the car. Actually, plan is to fit Koni sport front/STR rear along with pro-kit. Great video, indeed. Quite educating since I'm planing to the replacement on my own. Thanks !
Good video Rik......Ive just done this job on my GTV CUP......Koni streets and Suplex springs all round and YES a total transformation.......found changing the rear springs bit of a pain as the spring pan twists and getting it back in line is a hardwork. Handling........have you got the Quaife Diff??
I can’t believe how much better it is. Massive difference on country roads. I couldn’t even drive it properly beforehand but now it’s just sensational. No need to dodge potholes or crawl ridiculously slow over speed humps anymore. I’m made up with it.
No, it hasn’t got an LSD yet unfortunately. A little too rich for the pocket right now after completing the car but all in good time 👍🏼
@@_RicksGarage The Diff also makes a huge difference on the V6...and not a bad job to do either.I would be intrested on what you think of the Alfaholics ARB kit tempted by those....Yes i like dealing with Alfashop too
@@handyandy71 yep, LSD swap should be a relatively easy and straight forward job in principle. As for the Alfaholics ARB kit, rest assured there will be a video as soon as I get some 👍🏼
@@_RicksGarage I have the Q2 Diff fitted to my 156. Night and day. Highly recommended.
Think I need to drive it again for a second opinion 😊
You’re welcome to any time. As long as it’s not raining! 😂
@@_RicksGarage 🤣
What a lovely sound keep up the good work mate. If you don't mind replying how good are the powerflex bushes for handling and do they make the car more harsh?
great work , such clean car below for uk. what about approx costs of parts and labour time estimates
Amazing sound, can I ask you the exhaust set up of the car? I have a 3.2 ph3 with some upgrades but it doesn't sound as good as yours I have to say!
super
Like your videos! But where is the best place to get OEM parts for alfa romeo 156 sw 1.9 jtdm 110 kw 2005.?
Not everyone has had a good experience of Alfashop… trust me!
Nice video bro, where can i buy the rear wing? And the same springs but for a 2.0 ts. Greatings from argentina 🍀
The rear wing was a factory option, but was a Zender wing. They were standard on some GTV models, including the Cup.
hello, do you have any suggestions for the set-up of a 2002 gtv 2000 twin spark? The koni sport are only available on the rear. Same thing for Koni strt. Hello and congratulations 👍
Next job on the list is to get the alloys powder coated in anthracite grey !
@Rick is there any trick to getting the spring pan arm aligned? I'm kinda stuck ATM with mine. No matter what I try it ends up being the wrong spot!
Had the same problem, when I undid them at the rear. Mistake! If you did too, detach the front as well, then re-attach the rear end first and then the front end.
Hi, what’s the size of rims on your car ? Are those oem 17” ?
Wouldn‘t you want to make it stiff in the front and less stiff in the back for less understear?
Nope. Exactly the other way around. Trust me (and Roger Bell). I've owned 17 Alfas in my 73 years on this lovely planet.
Question. Arent the koni shock absorbers shorter than oem shock absorbers ?
On the front, yes they are
What kind of front bump stops do you have? I could not see them in the video.
They are genuine OEM
@@_RicksGarage Weren't the bumpstops shortened in combination with the Eibach springs? On my gtv v6 with koni and lowering springs there was not enough(no) suspension travel with the original bumpstops. Looking forward to more gtv videos!
Will you be at MITcar?
Will be trying my best to get a shift swap James. At the moment I’m scheduled to work unfortunately
@@_RicksGarage all being well, I’ll be there. Will look out for your car. 👍
Horror, you cannot put polyurethane in those places where the hinge should be.
Oh there's a surprise the multi billion euro OEM company got the spring rates right for their own car.. 🙄😂