@Roberto.752 Great brother! I'm excited as this is my first lent in the Church and yesterday's Sunday of Orthodoxy was magnificent. God willing my conversion will continue being easy and I've been growing a lot closer with Christ since I've came to the Orthodox Church.
I'm starting to look into the Orthodox faith in my search for the true church and biblical truth. My one question is how venerating icons not idolizing them? Is there scriptures to support it?
I mean I kiss my parents, my family, other believers kissed one another as a greeting. The act of kissing doesn’t mean worship, holding them as Gods is. But when we kiss and icon we kiss the person of the icon, not the image. If you have any other questions I’d be happy to answer
Im also looking at the orthodox faith, after converting to Protestant from a pseudo-catholic background. My biggest issue right now is the scriptures say you shall not make any image of what’s on heaven, and I cannot find a way to reconcile iconography to that verse, specially when there’s rituals towards those images.
@@cdcm17The tabernacle, Solomons temple, and in many holy places, there are images of things that are in heaven. The prohibition in the second commandment isn't images in Holy places. It's worshipping them.
Exactly! Also, they do more than a little bow. They will have a full ground prostate in front of them. They have Akathist services where they will bow and sing praises to a certain saint depicted in the icon. Orthodox will never tell the full story in their theology and practices.
@@EM-ox3rw Your saying because you can't find what there doing in scripture it's bad but my questions is who put together that Bible you use? It was the Orthodox church
@@DoomerDoxy I’m not saying it’s bad because it’s not in Scripture. That other person might be, but I’m not. I’m only making the point that the fact that the people who assembled the canon of scripture were not infallible, and if they had a practice that contradicts anything in the Bible, it needs to be questioned. Icon veneration *appears* to be contrary to much scripture, and deserves a good explanation. Your question isn’t an answer. Edit: If you want to convert people, be ready to patiently answer many questions instead of posing clever responses that antagonize but don’t clarify or teach.
@@EM-ox3rw icon veneration doesn't go against scripture if you know what it means to venerate a saint,christ, or the Theotokos. Also so what your saying is the bible is a fallible collection of infallible books?
Icons and all these images were the only way to spread the word of God back in that time. Most people couldn't read at the time, so it was just the only way to demonstrate the Bible without use of many words. It's just art to say something without using words. If that alone prevents you from joining the Orthodox Church, then that is your view which likely won't change
It’s just an illustrated way to show orthodox biblical figures and events, saints or anybody are never idols, veneration is a sign of appreciation and asking for intercession
@iplyrunescape305 That makes no sense. You don't spread the word of God by worshipping other humans. Or veneration as you call it. I see people kissing these paintings. I'm not trying to be rude I really just can't understand why this would be okay .
Beautiful. Im new to the Greek Orthodox church, and am hoping to be catechised soon. Christ have mercy upon me 😊❤️☦️
@Roberto.752 Great brother! I'm excited as this is my first lent in the Church and yesterday's Sunday of Orthodoxy was magnificent. God willing my conversion will continue being easy and I've been growing a lot closer with Christ since I've came to the Orthodox Church.
I'm starting to look into the Orthodox faith in my search for the true church and biblical truth. My one question is how venerating icons not idolizing them? Is there scriptures to support it?
I mean I kiss my parents, my family, other believers kissed one another as a greeting. The act of kissing doesn’t mean worship, holding them as Gods is. But when we kiss and icon we kiss the person of the icon, not the image. If you have any other questions I’d be happy to answer
@@deathbydank3206but you don’t do it on a ritualistical way. Bow down to their faces and kiss them, you just do.
Im also looking at the orthodox faith, after converting to Protestant from a pseudo-catholic background. My biggest issue right now is the scriptures say you shall not make any image of what’s on heaven, and I cannot find a way to reconcile iconography to that verse, specially when there’s rituals towards those images.
@@cdcm17The tabernacle, Solomons temple, and in many holy places, there are images of things that are in heaven. The prohibition in the second commandment isn't images in Holy places. It's worshipping them.
Amen☦️
❤ Thank You Father ❤
Great blasphemy Mary is not apart of the Trinity
Where is the church?
Where is God?
No like the building he’s in I want to know the location
@@somerandomguyonyt8766holy trinity in Santa Fe
definition of worship is to bow down and kiss. this guy cooked himself lol
Veneration of icons is yo do that as a form of worship not worship it itself
Exactly! Also, they do more than a little bow. They will have a full ground prostate in front of them. They have Akathist services where they will bow and sing praises to a certain saint depicted in the icon. Orthodox will never tell the full story in their theology and practices.
What scripture recommends doing this?
Who put together the biblical Canon?
@@DoomerDoxy how is that question relevant to answer the original question?
@@EM-ox3rw Your saying because you can't find what there doing in scripture it's bad but my questions is who put together that Bible you use? It was the Orthodox church
@@DoomerDoxy I’m not saying it’s bad because it’s not in Scripture. That other person might be, but I’m not. I’m only making the point that the fact that the people who assembled the canon of scripture were not infallible, and if they had a practice that contradicts anything in the Bible, it needs to be questioned. Icon veneration *appears* to be contrary to much scripture, and deserves a good explanation. Your question isn’t an answer.
Edit: If you want to convert people, be ready to patiently answer many questions instead of posing clever responses that antagonize but don’t clarify or teach.
@@EM-ox3rw icon veneration doesn't go against scripture if you know what it means to venerate a saint,christ, or the Theotokos. Also so what your saying is the bible is a fallible collection of infallible books?
Just because you call it an icon doesn't make it not an idol. This one thing is stopping me from joining the orthodox church.
Icons and all these images were the only way to spread the word of God back in that time. Most people couldn't read at the time, so it was just the only way to demonstrate the Bible without use of many words. It's just art to say something without using words. If that alone prevents you from joining the Orthodox Church, then that is your view which likely won't change
It’s just an illustrated way to show orthodox biblical figures and events, saints or anybody are never idols, veneration is a sign of appreciation and asking for intercession
@iplyrunescape305 That makes no sense. You don't spread the word of God by worshipping other humans. Or veneration as you call it. I see people kissing these paintings. I'm not trying to be rude I really just can't understand why this would be okay .
@@Taxman1509 if that's how you see it then I can't change your mind lol. We said our piece, if you don't believe it then Orthodoxy may not be for you.
@iplyrunescape305 Thanks for your time. If I may, does the Orthodoxy believe in purgatory the same as Catholicism?