I lost my daughter this horrible year. I hope to GOD that my daughter is safe with CHRIST In heaven. That she knows that I love and miss her more than anything. That I am no longer myself without her. I pray for her soul and I pray that father GOD blesses her and that HE blesses me. Please father GOD be merciful to my daughter who is also your spiritual child.
My precious momma went to be with Jesus this year...as of now, I have no family except for in laws...it's very hard for me to not try and talk to her but I know I'm not supposed to, so I tell Jesus everything that I want Him to pass on to her, like telling her that I love her, but I want her to be totally and completely happy now and if she were allowed to look over me, I think it would hurt her to know how much I hurt from missing her so much...
Well there is no suffering in heaven so she would not be hurting, maybe praying for you to in hope and joy that you get your life together to one day see her again.
I just did it for the first time this year, but for Father's Day & Mother's Day I got a Hallmark card for each parent. I filled it out as though they were still here to give it them. I read it to God & asked Him to deliver the message. That experience gave me more peace than any graveside visitation.
My mom died a month ago due to cancer. I also do the same thing, I ask God to tell her this and that. But I also greet her urn and talk to it sometimes, just a simple hi and hello. Hugs for you. I understand how lonely it is. 😪 May God continue to comfort us during this trying times.
I’m open to that idea that we depart from our bodies and go to the presence of the Lord. But if we don’t become conscious In heaven until the resurrection then that’s fine as well. Either way I’m going to be in the presence of the Lord.
Absent from the body, present with the Lord. Who would want to see the evil and suffering on this world once you're in heaven? There's no more tears, no more pain, no more sin, no more sorrow. So no. They're not looking down on us. There's no reason to. They are worshipping and enjoying God's glory and majesty.
@@kylovett7355 + SO SO TRUE. I don't care what anyone says - I HEARD my brother's voice IN CHRIST .... I heard/saw/ understood him now as he is in CHRIST. VERY VERY different to any kind of demonic apparition thing /praying to dead etc. Absolutely nothing like it. God allowed me to see like this because the circumstances before his death were tumultuous and he had just believed in God again. It was for me to have peace that he was indeed with the Lord.
1. We don’t know for sure how much they see. 2. If God grants them to see our suffering they don’t assess it with imperfect hearts but in a perfectly understanding way so as to not sin 3. Hebrews 12:1 - not completely settles it as witness is also used to describe martyr’s testimony, but could be encouraging us in the race. 4. Don’t pray to them - Hebrew 4:15 - “draw near to the throne” 5. Don’t be sentimental, you don’t know where they are.
Who knows . It is comforting to think that after you lose someone. Someday we will know more than we do now or understand it. There are things we don't understand now. He is a Good GOD who loves us.
I am so sorry for your loss, friend.. That pain has to be incredibly deep. I agree with you. I do not believe our loved ones know what is happening down here. What I do believe is that we can be reunited with them when our time comes. In the meantime, we try to be the kind of people they would be proud of & lean on God for the kind of strength that only HE can give. I am lifting you up. Again I am so, so sorry.
If some people believe that they can’t look down on us that fine. YOU can believe that if that’s your opinion. But don’t make it harder for those who are struggling with loss.
@@kennypowers17 No he wasn't. He met Jesus on the road to Damascus. He was going to murder Jesus' followers. He had a conversion experience and after that his name was changed to Paul. He then became the representative to the Gentiles.
aerodave1 oh okay for some reason I thought he was teleported to heaven for a minute and talked to Jesus there. Not sure where I got that from. Thank you!
eccl 9 verse 5 says the dead no nothing no thought or memory and when JESUS was ressurected the graves were opened and those in CHRIST rose and went into Jerusalem and mingled with the people and told them that the CHRIST has risen . if lazarus was in heaven and JESUS bought him back to this earth i reckon he would be very upset .
@@gordo191 I've heard this referred to as the "first" rapture when Paradise was under the earth and the original holding place for actual heaven. Christ often said the dead are asleep and KNOW nothing. That's what puzzles me. If the soul goes to heaven when you die, who judges at that time that you are worthy of doing so? Is there a "first judgment"? Can't seem to find the answer.
The Christian Bible says for the dead know not that they are dead for they know nothing so how can they be in heaven looking down on us until the end of time?
Larry Richardson You are not reading in proper context. Spiritually dead, who do not find Christ and everlasting life is what that verse is talking about.
Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10 is an exceptionally clear text concerning death. “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.”
According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.Therefore encourage one another with these words. - 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Thessalonians4:15-18&version=NIV
Kitty Kat I feel that their spirit is with God if they were saved n their bodies are on earth until Jesus comes down to get us, he rises the death that were saved then He rises the church that are saved. I'm still a little confused.
Kitty Kat Amen. This brief talk was surprising to me to say the least. All scripture very clearly makes a case that no one is 'where they are' at the moment going, "Oh No! Johnny is doing drugs!" or "Oh Dear! My daughter just lost her legs in a car accident!" - There is a clear separation when we truly regard scripture, understand the nature of Heaven and our place within it, the character of God and the functionality of this physical world and 'the other side'. I love Johnny Piper, so this was an odd one to sit through... I can say, as confidently as I am saved, that my parents and others arent "looking down" and are not experiencing any aspects of this fallen world! The very minutiae of a thought towards this earth would, almost in and of itself, be a sin...bring a 'feeling' or 'emotion' or 'memory' of this sinful world...and thus negate the separation from it!
According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.Therefore encourage one another with these words. - 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Thessalonians4:15-18&version=NIV
@Gloria Sheppard Anyone who is among the living has hope -even a live dog is better off than a dead lion!For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already approved what you do.Always be clothed in white, and always anoint your head with oil.Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun-all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun.Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom. - Ecclesiastes 9:4-10 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes9:4-10&version=NIV
Yes they are worshipping God but this heaven consist of multiple demesions and the ability to percieve different thing at once. Plus worshipping God can cover a multitude of things. You will know as youre known is example of being able to connect with the people in heaven simultaneously while worshipping God in the process.
My grandma taught me the dead know nothing as said in Ecclesiastes 9:5 As much as I'd like to think my grandma is looking down on me, I just don't think that's so.
Carolyn Abshire how does that limit God when the Bible says that?? I'm not saying I won't see my grandma again but she is sleeping right now and she will wake up when the Lord returns.
Carolyn Abshire I have twin daughters. I'm really saddened to hear about your loss. The good news tho, you will see her again. Hope you're doing ok....
Brother I thank GOD for enabling me to hear these worthy messages from India today.Brother,I pray to LORD JESUS CHRIST to forgive the sins committed by my beloved ones who are dead and save them from torments.Is it biblically correct to do so? What I should do for the attornment of sins committed by my beloved relatives and friends? Please help me.I am not a highly educated nor knowledgeable man and yet I consider Your teachings are of great values to me,as it comes from the supports of the scriptures from Bible. GOD bless you and keep you safe always for the Glory of God.
From Greek believer in Christ, the meaning of witness is martyr. When the Bible mentions "surrounded by so many witnesses or martyrs" I understand that as we have so many examples of saints who died for Christ, we should be encouraged by living and testifying like they did. NOWERE in the Scriptures, it is mentioned that the spirits of the deads are watching us. In instance, angels and demons are watching us day and night. .
Thank you desiring God for your posts, both here and on your website. By his grace the messages hit home, and his work through you has changed my life and my dads life. Praise God for these things.
Luke 16:19-31. Probably they can see us, probably they can cheer for us, probably they know perfectly how we are doing. For sure they are not allowed to communicate with us
Caitlin Maynell That’s not Biblical. It’s misinterpreted from a few verses. Many more say the soul is alive. The body sleeps. Until is resurrected and reunites with the soul.
In eternal Heaven or the interim "resting place" all saved souls enter into after death, there is nothing but rest and peace. There is no worrying, strifeful concern, etc. If there was, Heaven or that interim resting place would not be peaceful for the saved soul when they look down upon the earthly realm that contains so much struggling, sadness, turmoil, etc. So, no, once a saved soul leaves this world, they are in a state of eternal bliss, and thank be to the Lord for that. Once all saved souls have risen up to meet the Lord, this is when all souls will be able to see each other and glorify the Lord for all eternity. Amen.
Ecclesiastes 9: 5-6 & 10, indicate that the dead do not have any knowledge of what is happening 'under the sun', namely earth. They have passed beyond the knowledge of what is happening with the living. These passages have influenced my thought, and belief that the dead are no longer aware of what's happening with the living. They are with Jesus. Even though they can look on the world with a perfect understanding, would it not still cause them sadness and pain to see what's happening with us who are still alive. Just my musings. I could be wrong, the question calls for more prayer and meditation, I think🙏
Can loved ones in heaven look down on me? Ans No. Because your loved ones died have not been to heaven yet, they are asleep in their grave. Waiting for Jesus to come to rise them up. Read and study the scripture. Take care, thanks for taking the time to read by comment.
I believe that only in the New Jerusalem will we experience no more pain, tears, disappointments, etc. When we arrive in the present Heaven, those emotions will still exist, thus as we look down on our children and see them still unsaved or wayward Christians living a carnal life, we will be saddened. Don’t forget that Satan and his angels still have access to Heaven. It’s only at the mid-point of the 7-year Tribulation Period that Satan is cast out of Heaven never to return.
Wow great job with this question. Always wondered about this, important disclaimer that we not be tempted to pray to the saints or loved ones to talk to God about things.. Jesus is the only mediator! Amen
The Bible says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. And also says that we will stand before Christ and give an account of ourselves of the life we lived here on this Earth and he will either say Well done thy faithful servant animated the presence of the Lord or he will say I never knew you
Well I have also heard that no they can't see us, and look down from Heaven right now, because they are not in Heaven yet. I have heard that no one who has passed away is not in Heaven yet until the Resurrection. They are still sleeping in the Graves right now until Christ comes back, and then they will be raised from the Graves for Judgement, and hopefully go to Heaven then.
One of my pet peeves in Christianity is win people believe everyone goes to heaven, unsaved family members go to heaven because why? You want them too? Nothing wrong with that but were they saved? Don't just say " my husband, my moma, my dad, my this my that went to heaven".
No. Theyre dead waiting for the call: For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. - 1 Corinthians 15:22-23
@@amandathomas2272 because according to the scripture after the 2cnd coming. We are going to spend 1000 years in heaven "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years."Rev.20:4 Also... 2cnd part of verse 6 in the same chapter says: "They will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years" All that in the same context: Heaven. In response to "full understanding of the bible" we read in Ephesians: "until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. 14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ." May God bless you sister.
Finally you gave the right answer which is that you don't know! FINALLY!!!! When beings ascend and assess things in a perfect spiritual way what that means is that you will be changed. Certain extremely selfish animal genes will be modified to advanced genetics. Also, memories of selfishness, trauma, and violence will be removed. Only spiritually uplifting memories will remain. No one should ever pray to a "saint" or Mary. That is like praying to a wall. They have no power or authority. As for the question whether loved ones in heaven can look down on you, there's not much interest in that. Think of the material universe as a movie. To God and ascended beings in heaven the movie has already completely played. This why it says, "I am the Alpha and the Omega." So, looking down on you from heaven would be like watching a movie on ancient history of the universe. Beings who have died and are just at the next level, the ghost/angel level, can visit you as a ghost. Also, at the next level they can go to the Hall of History and observe the real history of the earth. Once they begin the long ascent to heaven they have much more important things to do.
4:32 I'd like to clarify...we Catholics don’t pray to saints/angels, we pray ALONG WITH them to God. We only worship GOD (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit). We as the church are part of The Mystical Body of Christ (which includes Saints & Angels). We pray alone directly to Jesus, and also pray together with the Blessed Mother Mary and saints TO Jesus. Two people/beings praying together for the same intention carries more weight than praying alone.
Colossians 2:18 - Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” Hebrews 7:22-25 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. Exodus 20:4-5 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; Matthew 23:9 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Hebrews 9:22 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. 1 Peter 1:19- 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Mark 2:4-12 4 And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken it up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay. 5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. 6 But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, 7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? 8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? 9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? 10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) 11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. 12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion. ua-cam.com/video/fzPCfhKwQlk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/9yptbDYKmFc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/T1FPcQT5yQo/v-deo.html
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, *How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?* And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
It's an interesting topic but ultimately we might not know and really it doesn't matter all that much. If we have repented and put our trust in Jesus to save us from our sin then we can trust him and his perfect plan.
I very well could be wrong but I personally believe that majority of believers in human history who have died in Christ are asleep in him. There are many bible verses that suggest that we don't go to heaven until the second coming. To me it doesn't make sense that when we die, we go to heaven, then at the second coming get put back to the earth then get resurrected again. It just makes no sense to me. Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Psalms 115:17 - The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. John 3:13 - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven. Psalms 146:4 - His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Psalms 6:5 - For in death [there is] no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks? Jesus also mentions that when he resurrects Lazarus from the dead that he was sleeping. Now I do believe certain saints of the bible have been resurrected to be with God already example Moses, Elijah etc. In reality if you were to die thousands of years ago and were resurrected at the second coming it would feel like no time has passed since when you're dead you have no concept of time.
The scripture does not talk about us at all reuniting with loved ones in the kingdom although it is a nice thought. We are to serve the Lord in the new Jerusalem
Of the 14 people i met that had died and sent or ask to come back,,,,,,,none can see back unless JESUS..opens the portal........these people eaither came to my Real Estate office or person meeting......i have the most incredible story's from them ........they all hear or see just JESUS
All of our love ones are asleep in the grave, awaiting the resurrection. There is no one looking down from heaven,the lies of Satan has been widely accepted rather than the Word of God. Genesis 2:16,17 and Genesis 3:19. Death reigned from Adam to Moses. . Matthew 5:28,29
I think there is no need or desire for them to know what we're doing. Most near death experience people if you believe in that have no desire to return to loved ones. The parable of the Lazarus who wanted to warn his brothers back on earth from hell not to sin was denied and said they had the profits
I believe that they see only things of heaven origin & what relates to happening in heaven. They are taught everything that God wants them to know & will reveal the things to come on earth.
WOW! This took a turn I never saw coming. I will always love your ministry - However, this was almost silly. A genuine and deep understanding of scripture, the character of God, the nature of salvation and the separation of Heaven (in the supernatural reference ) and earth informs us in a very different direction than 'yes' or even 'maybe'.... *Sigh* Love ya, John. I think you met my dad years ago. Maybe even a few times?! Anyway. God bless.
Right, I agree with Pastor John about the "cloud of witnesses". I don't agree with people who cite that Hebrews verse about a host of witnesses. That's talking about the witness of those recorded in, what's called, the Hall of Faith chapter/verses. It's saying based on those people's testimonies, witnessing to us about their faith, is what that is saying.
Doesn’t the Bible say that those who are live will not rise before those who rose from the dead? I think this is pretty definitive that they are not cheering us on but they are in peace in their graves.
I think there is really not a clear answer on this. After losing my parents I often wonder, but who would want to look down on their loved ones and see the grief and suffering the families may be enduring, we really don't know for sure, above all else, our hearts are deceitful so we will all come up with something according to our feelings if the word doesn't completely give us answers
Jesus gave us his mother from the cross saying, “Woman here is your son, and to St. John, Here is your mother.” Jesus came into our world when Mary consented to be his mother. Who do we run to when as children we were hurt, needed things, and love? First to our mothers
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, because the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate, and their envy have already vanished, and they will never again have a share in all that is done under the sun
I don't think so because where will their piece be if they see how we struggling on earth. I don't think they really care anymore. To be with God will be the only thing that counts.
Perhaps my scholarship and lack of formal training is on display here, but I wonder if Luke 15:10 is not relevant in some sense as well. "In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” So, sometimes we simply see that verse as the angels rejoicing when someone is saved. But it says that there is joy in the presence of the angels of God. The joy doesn't seem to be limited to the angels. So I wonder if those who have died in Christ and, therefore are also in the presence of the angels of God experience that joy when someone comes to Christ. Maybe it's a leap, but might they be aware of news of their loved ones on earth at least in some "digest" form?
God judges the heart. Man doesn’t know if another is truly saved or not. That’s between God and man. The story of Lazarus and the rich man seems to say they do see us. But I don’t know. If they are being comforted in paradise, how could they see all this pain?
If the Citizens in Heaven are watching us on Earth, then they would be in a Heaven filled with sorrow. Truly they all sleep and the chasm between the living and the dead can not be crossed. I can't cross the ocean without a vessel and I cannot see across to the other shore. ( I would consider the Heavenly Citizens ((are there any there now???)) to be those that are truly living ).
I reckon they don’t see us. If they did, they would be made unhappy and depressed by the things they see us do, and the things others do to us. But those who have crossed over are supposed to NOT be unhappy or sad. I’m seriously counting on that.
Assuming the saints who have died and gone to paradise before us can see the same things that the "angels" do, Mark 15:10 would suggest that they too can look down and see us as we are.
The question was loved ones not the saints who were resurrected. Btw, not sure you meant mark 15:10, maybe Matthew 27:32? Anyway other than those who God purposely resurrected (Moses) or took from earth while they were still alive (Enoch, Elijah) no one is in heaven looking down on us. They are asleep until the resurrection in revelation 20.
Yes, it’s Ecclesiastes 9:5. If you read the verse in proper context it’s referring more to the finality of physical death. I wouldn’t take it too literally. Certainly not literally enough to build some sort of life after death doctrines oncbecause the book of Ecclesiastes is more of a philosophical diary of the author’s thoughts on life, death, and the meaning of life. The last two verses best summarize the whole point of the work: Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 NKJV [13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man's all. [14] For God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil.
The answer to that question is No, they can't see us. Why? Because there is no one, except Jesus, God the Father, and angels who are in Heaven at the moment. ALL who have died, believers in Jesus as well as non believers, are asleep in their graves, knowing nothing (Eccl. 9:5), until the time of their specific resurrection. Believers are asleep in God's presence. There are two resurrections. One for the believers in Christ that will happen 7 years before Jesus returns to the earth to set up his kingdom here, and another at the end of the kingdom, 1000 years later for the unbelievers. Christians call the first resurrection "The rapture of the Saints" (those who believe in Jesus). Those believers who are still alive, at the time right before his return, will be removed from the earth and brought up to meet Jesus in the clouds to be with him forever. All those in the past who have died, and believe in Jesus, will also be taken up from their sleep of death in their graves at that time. These will be given immortal bodies that are able to live forever. They will then be in Heaven. No one knows the day or the hour of this rapture, or removal. The second resurrection is for unbelievers and they will be awakened from their sleep of death and stand before God for their judgment. Since they didn't have an advocate or someone to take their punishment for their sins like the believers did (Jesus died for anyone who would believe in Him) then they will face the original Death sentence put on mankind for their sins. They will not be raised immortal like the believers. They will be raised up mortal, like they were before they died. They will be cast into the fire, be destroyed, die and perish forever. So, since everyone who has died in the past is still resting in peace in their graves, asleep, they can not see you or talk to you from Heaven.
Heaven is a 'Family Affair' In heaven the holy souls can do all things that God allows. And God gives them immense powers for 1 God's greater glory and 2 for the salvation of men who dwell below on earth. Each has a job to do. Each has the ultimate desire to assist our brothers and sisters still below... to arrive in heaven... not to be lost.
I was Catholic ,and I say was .I left because of one of many dreams and visions.For quite awhile I would have a vision of Mary Behind Jesus and Jesus was trying to keep Pope Francis away from His Mother Mary as she was crying and afraid of Pope Francis and Jesus was her arbiter.
Ps John said : 1. I dont know for sure 2. Hebr 12:23 they see and understand with perfectly spiritual way 3. Hebr 12:1 every saint as a witness, they watching and cheerfull us to focus on Christ and finish the race 4. dont interact with them or pray to them, focus to Christ, He is the only mediator to seek God's help 5. A warning that NOT every good one will go to the heaven
same questions for other sect that teaches Mary the mother of Jesus and the other saints can pray for you because they can look down on you along with your loved ones. :(
He is crazy. The Bible says all our tears and sorrow will be no more. Looking back and seeing my unsaved loved ones living in turmoil will not make me happy. Once in Heaven we will be too busy worshipping Jesus instead of wondering what is going back here on earth. My love ones that are already in Heaven is not looking on me nor are they dropping pennies down for me. They also are NOT coming to visit as a red bird. If people would read the Bible and go to church they would know what the Bible tells us and not these preachers that has an answer for everything.
Eastern Orthodox Church preaches in past 20 centuries that, YES, Church Triumphant is with us, and we depict that on the walls and ceilings of our temples by picturing them looking down upon us.
There is another thought if time is linear then we wait but if the past and the present and the future are all one together then we are already in heaven so no need to look down we are already there just like Quinton theory things and people can be in two places at once
We all have our opinion about how how things is going to turn out in the end but none of us know exactly and we won't know until it happens. But Jesus says that in the end he will send his angels together his electrum the four corners of the earth. And that is what we call the Rapture of the church. The Bible causes the catching away of the bride of Christ. It also talks about and people will be working at a Mill. One shall be taken and the other left.
Where does 1Thes.4:16-17 come in here? The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout. With the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God. Then the DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST and we which are alive and remain, shall be caught up to heaven with Him there in the clouds and meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
@desiringGod I'm a firm believer the reason we sin is to share our testimony with others can you shed some light on me to help me understand the importance of sin and helping others not make the same mistake
Abraham stuck in sheol in the old treatment told the rich man stuck in hades that he wouldn't warn his brothers because they have moses and the prophets. That indicates that the dead know the living because abraham died way before moses. Also in sheol they couldn't escape, so that means the saints know perfect knowledge without having to see it personally!!! SO THEY DO KNOW BUT THEY DON'T WATCH OVER US AND THEY ARE NOT ANGELS. Of course they are now with Christ in heaven experiencing perfection.
I do not believe they are watching nor can we contact them. Also how do we know the heart of man but God, we don't know if they were saved or not but only by their testimony on earth
Father YAHweh is not ashamed to call me His son. Thank You Father YAHweh Hebrews 11:16 But now they long for a better kingdom, that is, a heavenly; therefore, Father YAHweh is not ashamed to be called their Father, for He has prepared a city for them. Hebrews 1:1 Father YAHweh, Who at various times and in different ways spoke in times past to our fathers through the prophets, 2 Has in these last days spoken to us through His Son, Whom He has appointed heir of all things, for Whom He also made the world. 3 Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Father YAHweh, and the representation of Father YAHweh's PLAN, by upholding all things concerning, that which was spoken by, Father YAHweh through the Prophets, when YAHshua had purged sins, sat down on the right hand of Father YAHweh on high, 4 Becoming so much better than the malakim, He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they. ( That NAME is YAHwehShua.) The Firstborn From The Dead, 5 For example, to which of the malakim did Father YAHweh ever say: You are My Son, I, today, I have become your Father? And again: I Myself shall become His Father, and He Himself will become My Son? 6 But when He again brings His firstborn ( Romans 1:4 ) into the inhabited world, He says: Let all the malakim of YAHweh worship Him. 7 Now of the malakim He says: Who makes His malakim spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire. 8 But to the Son He says: The throne of Your Father YAHweh is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity; therefore YAHweh Your Father has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions; fellow heirs. 10 And You, Father YAHweh, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. 12 Yes, all of them will wear out like a garment. Like clothing You will change them, and they pass away. But You remain the same, and Your years will have no end. 13 But to which of the malakim has Father YAHweh ever said: Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool? 14 Are the malakim not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for those who will be heirs of salvation? Revelation 3:12-13 He who overcomes, I will make a pillar in the temple of My Father YAHweh, and he will never go out of it. And I will write upon him the Name of My Father YAHweh, and the Name of the New Yerusalem which comes down out of heaven from My Father YAHweh , and I will write on him My New Name. 13 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit of Father YAHweh says to the called out ones. Romans 1: 1 Shaul, a servant of YAHwehshua Messiah, called an apostle, set apart to preach the message of Father YAHweh 2 Which Father YAHweh had promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures: 3 Concerning His Son, YAHwehShua Messiah our King, Who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 And declared to be the Son of Father YAHweh with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead; Praise Father YAHweh
This is a moot point since there is no one in Heaven yet. The Bible is clear: “The dead know nothing”. The dead are resting in the grave until the second coming. There is no verse that says anyone is in Heaven looking down on us.
Does it not say in the bible and also jesus said that we all go to the grave until the resarection and we are dead in sleep till then why do so many Christian's think we go to heaven the lord says earth is the new heaven
If We as christians rise up to heaven only during the second coming of Christ, then what happens to our souls immediately after we die? Is there like a waiting place that we go to? Or are we in the tomb until God calls us?
2 Thessalonians 2:15 hold to the traditions Etc. the early Christians venerated the Blessed Mother. There's pictures of her in the catacombs mother and child. might be wise to be slow to criticize Catholics in their veneration of Gods proven friends. It was actually the Catholics that preserved our Bible all through the early centuries. Christ could have easily appeared on the scene without a mother but he chose to come through her. It was through her intercession that he performed his first public miracle. there are some Catholic writers who have said that those who do not have Mary for their mother will not have God for their father. You never know Catholics may have it better as far as the blessed mother is concerned, than the rest of us do. May the God of Heaven lead us all through Jesus Christ Our Lord amen
So reading most of comments I understand we die "sleep" til resurrection bones turn to dust as our spirit goes back to God. So when we die we no nothing until we are ressurected. Then we are awake or alive again? And how many levels of heaven and hell are there??
There’s no love ones or saints looking down on you checking up on you and see how you doing. Just like you had no consciousness before you were born it’s the same when you are dead. If you have the Spirit of God in you then you will know and understand.
AND they all told ware they went......you must become a CHRISTIAN AS THE ONES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT............AND THE WRITERS WERE ALL APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL'S ....... EVEN THE MOTHER OF JESUS ....had to become one.....ACT'S 2 nd chapter......and the ANGLE HAD TO TELL THE FIRST JENTILE HOW TO BE SAVED........ARE YOU ONE.......for 325 yrs.....AD..
I lost my daughter this horrible year. I hope to GOD that my daughter is safe with CHRIST In heaven. That she knows that I love and miss her more than anything. That I am no longer myself without her. I pray for her soul and I pray that father GOD blesses her and that HE blesses me. Please father GOD be merciful to my daughter who is also your spiritual child.
'Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of one of his saints ' ❤❤
My precious momma went to be with Jesus this year...as of now, I have no family except for in laws...it's very hard for me to not try and talk to her but I know I'm not supposed to, so I tell Jesus everything that I want Him to pass on to her, like telling her that I love her, but I want her to be totally and completely happy now and if she were allowed to look over me, I think it would hurt her to know how much I hurt from missing her so much...
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Well there is no suffering in heaven so she would not be hurting, maybe praying for you to in hope and joy that you get your life together to one day see her again.
I agree completely and do the same with mine.
I just did it for the first time this year, but for Father's Day & Mother's Day I got a Hallmark card for each parent. I filled it out as though they were still here to give it them. I read it to God & asked Him to deliver the message. That experience gave me more peace than any graveside visitation.
My mom died a month ago due to cancer. I also do the same thing, I ask God to tell her this and that. But I also greet her urn and talk to it sometimes, just a simple hi and hello.
Hugs for you. I understand how lonely it is. 😪 May God continue to comfort us during this trying times.
“Whom have I in heaven but Thee? And there is none upon earth that I desire besides Thee.” Psalm 73:25 ☺️
Love that scripture!! Thank you, Jesus!!
I’m open to that idea that we depart from our bodies and go to the presence of the Lord. But if we don’t become conscious In heaven until the resurrection then that’s fine as well. Either way I’m going to be in the presence of the Lord.
Absent from the body, present with the Lord. Who would want to see the evil and suffering on this world once you're in heaven? There's no more tears, no more pain, no more sin, no more sorrow. So no. They're not looking down on us. There's no reason to. They are worshipping and enjoying God's glory and majesty.
Bobby A that doesn’t mean they DONT see us. I believe that God allows them to see us. Not with the eyes of humans .
@@kylovett7355 + SO SO TRUE. I don't care what anyone says - I HEARD my brother's voice IN CHRIST ....
I heard/saw/ understood him now as he is in CHRIST.
VERY VERY different to any kind of demonic apparition thing /praying to dead etc.
Absolutely nothing like it.
God allowed me to see like this because the circumstances before his death were tumultuous and he had just believed in God again.
It was for me to have peace that he was indeed with the Lord.
1. We don’t know for sure how much they see.
2. If God grants them to see our suffering they don’t assess it with imperfect hearts but in a perfectly understanding way so as to not sin
3. Hebrews 12:1 - not completely settles it as witness is also used to describe martyr’s testimony, but could be encouraging us in the race.
4. Don’t pray to them - Hebrew 4:15 - “draw near to the throne”
5. Don’t be sentimental, you don’t know where they are.
Asleep in Paradise/Heaven (Luke 23:43 & 1 Thessalonians 4)
Keith Petersen Nope. Out of context.
Thanks
Heb 11:13
For with God all things are possible.
Who knows . It is comforting to think that after you lose someone. Someday we will know more than we do now or understand it. There are things we don't understand now. He is a Good GOD who loves us.
Thanks for warning at the end, as there is so much man centered doctrine. Grace, Peace, and LOVE In KING YESHUA
I think we should pray and read the bible and ask God for his answers. He will speak to us.
Yes I agree, God is the only one who truly knows our hearts. Amen.
I lost my younger brother to covid a year ago - I never feel he can help me or watches me etc but I do pray he is well.
I am so sorry for your loss, friend.. That pain has to be incredibly deep. I agree with you. I do not believe our loved ones know what is happening down here. What I do believe is that we can be reunited with them when our time comes. In the meantime, we try to be the kind of people they would be proud of & lean on God for the kind of strength that only HE can give. I am lifting you up. Again I am so, so sorry.
@@evelynrespass5385 thank you 😊- I cant believe God gave us families only for us to never know them again in the next life. I hope ❤️🩹
@@RoanPretorius-de7xv Absolutely! God bless.
God gave free will
I think that means no one helps or interferes
I hope my loved ones are at peace
If some people believe that they can’t look down on us that fine. YOU can believe that if that’s your opinion. But don’t make it harder for those who are struggling with loss.
“No one has ascended to Heaven except He who came down from Heaven, Christ Jesus”. John 3:13
aerodave1 Where did Paul go on the road to Damascus?
Dorkchop What do you mean where did he go? He was on his way from Jerusalem to Damascus.
aerodave1 I don’t know much. Forgive me. I thought Saul was taken to heaven and converted to Paul? Correct me please
@@kennypowers17 No he wasn't. He met Jesus on the road to Damascus. He was going to murder Jesus' followers. He had a conversion experience and after that his name was changed to Paul. He then became the representative to the Gentiles.
aerodave1 oh okay for some reason I thought he was teleported to heaven for a minute and talked to Jesus there. Not sure where I got that from. Thank you!
How is the people find it so hard to understand .. Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord !! 2 Corinthians 5:8
Do you mean - How is IT THAT people find it......??? Your sentence doesn't make sense.
eccl 9 verse 5 says the dead no nothing no thought or memory and when JESUS was ressurected the graves were opened and those in CHRIST rose and went into Jerusalem and mingled with the people and told them that the CHRIST has risen . if lazarus was in heaven and JESUS bought him back to this earth i reckon he would be very upset .
In that verse about being absent from the body, it doesn't claim that we leave the body after death.
@@jsmith5443 If our soul doesn't go to heaven before the rapture, who is it that will be coming back with Christ?
@@gordo191 I've heard this referred to as the "first" rapture when Paradise was under the earth and the original holding place for actual heaven. Christ often said the dead are asleep and KNOW nothing. That's what puzzles me. If the soul goes to heaven when you die, who judges at that time that you are worthy of doing so? Is there a "first judgment"? Can't seem to find the answer.
The Christian Bible says for the dead know not that they are dead for they know nothing so how can they be in heaven looking down on us until the end of time?
Larry Richardson You are not reading in proper context. Spiritually dead, who do not find Christ and everlasting life is what that verse is talking about.
Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10 is an exceptionally clear text concerning death. “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.”
According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.Therefore encourage one another with these words. - 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Thessalonians4:15-18&version=NIV
Absent from the body, present with the Lord..
This questions comes up SOOO much! really liked Pastor Johns take on this. thanks guys
we were made to worship God. I dont believe that they are looking down on us cheering us on. They are worshipping the LORD!!!!!
Kitty Kat I feel that their spirit is with God if they were saved n their bodies are on earth until Jesus comes down to get us, he rises the death that were saved then He rises the church that are saved. I'm still a little confused.
Kitty Kat Amen. This brief talk was surprising to me to say the least.
All scripture very clearly makes a case that no one is 'where they are' at the moment going, "Oh No! Johnny is doing drugs!" or "Oh Dear! My daughter just lost her legs in a car accident!" - There is a clear separation when we truly regard scripture, understand the nature of Heaven and our place within it, the character of God and the functionality of this physical world and 'the other side'.
I love Johnny Piper, so this was an odd one to sit through...
I can say, as confidently as I am saved, that my parents and others arent "looking down" and are not experiencing any aspects of this fallen world!
The very minutiae of a thought towards this earth would, almost in and of itself, be a sin...bring a 'feeling' or 'emotion' or 'memory' of this sinful world...and thus negate the separation from it!
According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.Therefore encourage one another with these words. - 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Thessalonians4:15-18&version=NIV
@Gloria Sheppard Anyone who is among the living has hope -even a live dog is better off than a dead lion!For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already approved what you do.Always be clothed in white, and always anoint your head with oil.Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun-all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun.Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom. - Ecclesiastes 9:4-10 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes9:4-10&version=NIV
Yes they are worshipping God but this heaven consist of multiple demesions and the ability to percieve different thing at once. Plus worshipping God can cover a multitude of things. You will know as youre known is example of being able to connect with the people in heaven simultaneously while worshipping God in the process.
My grandma taught me the dead know nothing as said in Ecclesiastes 9:5
As much as I'd like to think my grandma is looking down on me, I just don't think that's so.
Heather Rae don’t limit God ...
Not being mean .. lost my twin sister in September 2017 .. and I use to limit God as well .. I’ll never do that again
Carolyn Abshire how does that limit God when the Bible says that?? I'm not saying I won't see my grandma again but she is sleeping right now and she will wake up when the Lord returns.
Carolyn Abshire I have twin daughters. I'm really saddened to hear about your loss. The good news tho, you will see her again. Hope you're doing ok....
Heather Rae Paul says .. to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord .. that simple to understand .. she’s with the Lord now ..
Brother I thank GOD for enabling me to hear these worthy messages from India today.Brother,I pray to LORD JESUS CHRIST to forgive the sins committed by my beloved ones who are dead and save them from torments.Is it biblically correct to do so? What I should do for the attornment of sins committed by my beloved relatives and friends?
Please help me.I am not a highly educated nor knowledgeable man and yet I consider Your teachings are of great values to me,as it comes from the supports of the scriptures from Bible.
GOD bless you and keep you safe always for the Glory of God.
From Greek believer in Christ, the meaning of witness is martyr. When the Bible mentions "surrounded by so many witnesses or martyrs" I understand that as we have so many examples of saints who died for Christ, we should be encouraged by living and testifying like they did. NOWERE in the Scriptures, it is mentioned that the spirits of the deads are watching us. In instance, angels and demons are watching us day and night.
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Thank you desiring God for your posts, both here and on your website. By his grace the messages hit home, and his work through you has changed my life and my dads life. Praise God for these things.
Luke 16:19-31. Probably they can see us, probably they can cheer for us, probably they know perfectly how we are doing. For sure they are not allowed to communicate with us
NOWERE it is mentioned, and the testimonies of those who really went to heaven, say that we are totally disconnected from earth... So 🙄🙄🙄
no, they are not awake, they are asleep in paradise waiting to be ressurected.
Caitlin Maynell That’s not Biblical. It’s misinterpreted from a few verses. Many more say the soul is alive. The body sleeps. Until is resurrected and reunites with the soul.
@@silvergirl3688 "the soul is alive" when did I say that the soul dies? I said the soul sleeps which is Biblical.
@@caitlinmaynell2780 so they are all "sleeping " right now? In which verse is this?
In eternal Heaven or the interim "resting place" all saved souls enter into after death, there is nothing but rest and peace. There is no worrying, strifeful concern, etc. If there was, Heaven or that interim resting place would not be peaceful for the saved soul when they look down upon the earthly realm that contains so much struggling, sadness, turmoil, etc. So, no, once a saved soul leaves this world, they are in a state of eternal bliss, and thank be to the Lord for that. Once all saved souls have risen up to meet the Lord, this is when all souls will be able to see each other and glorify the Lord for all eternity. Amen.
Ecclesiastes 9: 5-6 & 10, indicate that the dead do not have any knowledge of what is happening 'under the sun', namely earth. They have passed beyond the knowledge of what is happening with the living. These passages have influenced my thought, and belief that the dead are no longer aware of what's happening with the living. They are with Jesus. Even though they can look on the world with a perfect understanding, would it not still cause them sadness and pain to see what's happening with us who are still alive. Just my musings. I could be wrong, the question calls for more prayer and meditation, I think🙏
Amen. Glory to Jesus Christ our Lord God
Can loved ones in heaven look down on me? Ans No.
Because your loved ones died
have not been to heaven yet, they are asleep in their grave. Waiting for Jesus to come to rise them up.
Read and study the scripture.
Take care, thanks for taking the time to read by comment.
I believe that only in the New Jerusalem will we experience no more pain, tears, disappointments, etc. When we arrive in the present Heaven, those emotions will still exist, thus as we look down on our children and see them still unsaved or wayward Christians living a carnal life, we will be saddened. Don’t forget that Satan and his angels still have access to Heaven. It’s only at the mid-point of the 7-year Tribulation Period that Satan is cast out of Heaven never to return.
Wow great job with this question. Always wondered about this, important disclaimer that we not be tempted to pray to the saints or loved ones to talk to God about things.. Jesus is the only mediator! Amen
The only way.worship jesus.
Asleep in Paradise/Heaven (Luke 23:43 & 1 Thessalonians 4)
As the Bible indicates the saved will be in the Kingdom on earth.
The Bible says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. And also says that we will stand before Christ and give an account of ourselves of the life we lived here on this Earth and he will either say Well done thy faithful servant animated the presence of the Lord or he will say I never knew you
Well I have also heard that no they can't see us, and look down from Heaven right now, because they are not in Heaven yet. I have heard that no one who has passed away is not in Heaven yet until the Resurrection. They are still sleeping in the Graves right now until Christ comes back, and then they will be raised from the Graves for Judgement, and hopefully go to Heaven then.
One of my pet peeves in Christianity is win people believe everyone goes to heaven, unsaved family members go to heaven because why? You want them too? Nothing wrong with that but were they saved? Don't just say " my husband, my moma, my dad, my this my that went to heaven".
This question does not strike me as “bizarre” or “weird” at all!
No. Theyre dead waiting for the call:
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. - 1 Corinthians 15:22-23
I kind of believe that to.i cant understand why go to heaven.it says we will inherit the earth forever. Dont think anyone fully understands the bible
@@amandathomas2272 because according to the scripture after the 2cnd coming. We are going to spend 1000 years in heaven
"I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years."Rev.20:4
Also...
2cnd part of verse 6 in the same chapter says: "They will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years"
All that in the same context: Heaven.
In response to "full understanding of the bible" we read in Ephesians: "until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ."
May God bless you sister.
Finally you gave the right answer which is that you don't know! FINALLY!!!!
When beings ascend and assess things in a perfect spiritual way what that means is that you will be changed. Certain extremely selfish animal genes will be modified to advanced genetics. Also, memories of selfishness, trauma, and violence will be removed. Only spiritually uplifting memories will remain.
No one should ever pray to a "saint" or Mary. That is like praying to a wall. They have no power or authority.
As for the question whether loved ones in heaven can look down on you, there's not much interest in that. Think of the material universe as a movie. To God and ascended beings in heaven the movie has already completely played. This why it says, "I am the Alpha and the Omega." So, looking down on you from heaven would be like watching a movie on ancient history of the universe.
Beings who have died and are just at the next level, the ghost/angel level, can visit you as a ghost. Also, at the next level they can go to the Hall of History and observe the real history of the earth. Once they begin the long ascent to heaven they have much more important things to do.
4:32 I'd like to clarify...we Catholics don’t pray to saints/angels, we pray ALONG WITH them to God. We only worship GOD (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit). We as the church are part of The Mystical Body of Christ (which includes Saints & Angels). We pray alone directly to Jesus, and also pray together with the Blessed Mother Mary and saints TO Jesus. Two people/beings praying together for the same intention carries more weight than praying alone.
Colossians 2:18 - Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
1 Timothy 2:5
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
Hebrews 7:22-25
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Exodus 20:4-5
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Matthew 23:9
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Hebrews 9:22
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
1 Peter 1:19- 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Mark 2:4-12
4 And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken it up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay.
5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
6 But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.
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John 14:6
King James Version
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, *How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?* And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
It's an interesting topic but ultimately we might not know and really it doesn't matter all that much. If we have repented and put our trust in Jesus to save us from our sin then we can trust him and his perfect plan.
I very well could be wrong but I personally believe that majority of believers in human history who have died in Christ are asleep in him. There are many bible verses that suggest that we don't go to heaven until the second coming. To me it doesn't make sense that when we die, we go to heaven, then at the second coming get put back to the earth then get resurrected again. It just makes no sense to me.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Psalms 115:17 - The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
John 3:13 - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.
Psalms 146:4 - His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Psalms 6:5 - For in death [there is] no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Jesus also mentions that when he resurrects Lazarus from the dead that he was sleeping. Now I do believe certain saints of the bible have been resurrected to be with God already example Moses, Elijah etc.
In reality if you were to die thousands of years ago and were resurrected at the second coming it would feel like no time has passed since when you're dead you have no concept of time.
Asleep in Paradise/Heaven (Luke 23:43 & 1 Thessalonians 4)
The scripture does not talk about us at all reuniting with loved ones in the kingdom although it is a nice thought. We are to serve the Lord in the new Jerusalem
If you are in the presence of the almighty God, why would you ever look at anything else?
There is no sadness or Tears in Heaven so they cannot see down here because down here is very sad Sonu doing they do not see us down here
Of the 14 people i met that had died and sent or ask to come back,,,,,,,none can see back unless JESUS..opens the portal........these people eaither came to my Real Estate office or person meeting......i have the most incredible story's from them ........they all hear or see just JESUS
Read Heb 11:13. If they can see how God fulfill His promise then surely they can see from Heaven
Once we pass over we meet all our loved ones at the pearly gates in heaven---
All of our love ones are asleep in the grave, awaiting the resurrection. There is no one looking down from heaven,the lies of Satan has been widely accepted rather than the Word of God. Genesis 2:16,17 and Genesis 3:19. Death reigned from Adam to Moses. . Matthew 5:28,29
I think there is no need or desire for them to know what we're doing. Most near death experience people if you believe in that have no desire to return to loved ones. The parable of the Lazarus who wanted to warn his brothers back on earth from hell not to sin was denied and said they had the profits
This scripture immediately came to my mind as well.
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I believe that they see only things of heaven origin & what relates to happening in heaven. They are taught everything that God wants them to know & will reveal the things to come on earth.
WOW! This took a turn I never saw coming.
I will always love your ministry - However, this was almost silly. A genuine and deep understanding of scripture, the character of God, the nature of salvation and the separation of Heaven (in the supernatural reference ) and earth informs us in a very different direction than 'yes' or even 'maybe'....
*Sigh*
Love ya, John.
I think you met my dad years ago. Maybe even a few times?!
Anyway. God bless.
Right, I agree with Pastor John about the "cloud of witnesses". I don't agree with people who cite that Hebrews verse about a host of witnesses. That's talking about the witness of those recorded in, what's called, the Hall of Faith chapter/verses. It's saying based on those people's testimonies, witnessing to us about their faith, is what that is saying.
Doesn’t the Bible say that those who are live will not rise before those who rose from the dead? I think this is pretty definitive that they are not cheering us on but they are in peace in their graves.
This particular one promotes spiritual which the Bible
Condemns
How can DEAD loved ones look down when they DON’T exist! They are NOT yet in heaven!
There no where in the Bible that says we go to heaven after we die. Our spirit return to heaven but it doesn't have eyes to see nor ears to hear.
I think there is really not a clear answer on this. After losing my parents I often wonder, but who would want to look down on their loved ones and see the grief and suffering the families may be enduring, we really don't know for sure, above all else, our hearts are deceitful so we will all come up with something according to our feelings if the word doesn't completely give us answers
Jesus gave us his mother from the cross saying, “Woman here is your son, and to St. John, Here is your mother.” Jesus came into our world when Mary consented to be his mother. Who do we run to when as children we were hurt, needed things, and love? First to our mothers
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, because the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate, and their envy have already vanished, and they will never again have a share in all that is done under the sun
watch over us Lord and help us along the way
I don't think so because where will their piece be if they see how we struggling on earth.
I don't think they really care anymore. To be with God will be the only thing that counts.
Perhaps my scholarship and lack of formal training is on display here, but I wonder if Luke 15:10 is not relevant in some sense as well. "In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” So, sometimes we simply see that verse as the angels rejoicing when someone is saved. But it says that there is joy in the presence of the angels of God. The joy doesn't seem to be limited to the angels. So I wonder if those who have died in Christ and, therefore are also in the presence of the angels of God experience that joy when someone comes to Christ. Maybe it's a leap, but might they be aware of news of their loved ones on earth at least in some "digest" form?
God judges the heart. Man doesn’t know if another is truly saved or not. That’s between God and man. The story of Lazarus and the rich man seems to say they do see us. But I don’t know. If they are being comforted in paradise, how could they see all this pain?
If the Citizens in Heaven are watching us on Earth, then they would be in a Heaven filled with sorrow. Truly they all sleep and the chasm between the living and the dead can not be crossed. I can't cross the ocean without a vessel and I cannot see across to the other shore. ( I would consider the Heavenly Citizens ((are there any there now???)) to be those that are truly living ).
I reckon they don’t see us. If they did, they would be made unhappy and depressed by the things they see us do, and the things others do to us. But those who have crossed over are supposed to NOT be unhappy or sad. I’m seriously counting on that.
Jesus sees what's going on. So do the angels.
Revelation 6:9-11 talks about the martyred saints in Heaven beholding things on earth.
@@AnHebrewChild Yes you’re right on that. How does that work? I mean we don’t enter Heaven at this point do we?
Assuming the saints who have died and gone to paradise before us can see the same things that the "angels" do, Mark 15:10 would suggest that they too can look down and see us as we are.
The question was loved ones not the saints who were resurrected. Btw, not sure you meant mark 15:10, maybe Matthew 27:32? Anyway other than those who God purposely resurrected (Moses) or took from earth while they were still alive (Enoch, Elijah) no one is in heaven looking down on us. They are asleep until the resurrection in revelation 20.
Isn’t there a verse somewhere that says the dead know nothing?
Yes, it’s Ecclesiastes 9:5. If you read the verse in proper context it’s referring more to the finality of physical death. I wouldn’t take it too literally. Certainly not literally enough to build some sort of life after death doctrines oncbecause the book of Ecclesiastes is more of a philosophical diary of the author’s thoughts on life, death, and the meaning of life. The last two verses best summarize the whole point of the work:
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 NKJV
[13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man's all. [14] For God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil.
The answer to that question is No, they can't see us. Why? Because there is no one, except Jesus, God the Father, and angels who are in Heaven at the moment. ALL who have died, believers in Jesus as well as non believers, are asleep in their graves, knowing nothing (Eccl. 9:5), until the time of their specific resurrection. Believers are asleep in God's presence. There are two resurrections. One for the believers in Christ that will happen 7 years before Jesus returns to the earth to set up his kingdom here, and another at the end of the kingdom, 1000 years later for the unbelievers. Christians call the first resurrection "The rapture of the Saints" (those who believe in Jesus). Those believers who are still alive, at the time right before his return, will be removed from the earth and brought up to meet Jesus in the clouds to be with him forever. All those in the past who have died, and believe in Jesus, will also be taken up from their sleep of death in their graves at that time. These will be given immortal bodies that are able to live forever. They will then be in Heaven. No one knows the day or the hour of this rapture, or removal. The second resurrection is for unbelievers and they will be awakened from their sleep of death and stand before God for their judgment. Since they didn't have an advocate or someone to take their punishment for their sins like the believers did (Jesus died for anyone who would believe in Him) then they will face the original Death sentence put on mankind for their sins. They will not be raised immortal like the believers. They will be raised up mortal, like they were before they died. They will be cast into the fire, be destroyed, die and perish forever. So, since everyone who has died in the past is still resting in peace in their graves, asleep, they can not see you or talk to you from Heaven.
Heaven is a 'Family Affair' In heaven the holy souls can do all things that God allows. And God gives them immense powers for 1 God's greater glory and 2 for the salvation of men who dwell below on earth. Each has a job to do. Each has the ultimate desire to assist our brothers and sisters still below... to arrive in heaven... not to be lost.
El Rico+ Beautifully said!
I was Catholic ,and I say was .I left because of one of many dreams and visions.For quite awhile I would have a vision of Mary Behind Jesus and Jesus was trying to keep Pope Francis away from His Mother Mary as she was crying and afraid of Pope Francis
and Jesus was her arbiter.
Ps John said : 1. I dont know for sure 2. Hebr 12:23 they see and understand with perfectly spiritual way 3. Hebr 12:1 every saint as a witness, they watching and cheerfull us to focus on Christ and finish the race 4. dont interact with them or pray to them, focus to Christ, He is the only mediator to seek God's help 5. A warning that NOT every good one will go to the heaven
same questions for other sect that teaches Mary the mother of Jesus and the other saints can pray for you because they can look down on you along with your loved ones. :(
He is crazy. The Bible says all our tears and sorrow will be no more. Looking back and seeing my unsaved loved ones living in turmoil will not make me happy. Once in Heaven we will be too busy worshipping Jesus instead of wondering what is going back here on earth. My love ones that are already in Heaven is not looking on me nor are they dropping pennies down for me. They also are NOT coming to visit as a red bird. If people would read the Bible and go to church they would know what the Bible tells us and not these preachers that has an answer for everything.
Asleep in Paradise/Heaven (Luke 23:43 & 1 Thessalonians 4)
Again .. don’t limit God
Eastern Orthodox Church preaches in past 20 centuries that, YES, Church Triumphant is with us, and we depict that on the walls and ceilings of our temples by picturing them looking down upon us.
Thank you for your answer.
There is another thought if time is linear then we wait but if the past and the present and the future are all one together then we are already in heaven so no need to look down we are already there just like Quinton theory things and people can be in two places at once
Oh my brother, you can't possibly think this horrible world could be heaven!
how about the verse that talks about those in heaven rejoicing over one sinner who repents?
If the dead in christ rise first... wouldn't it be safer to assume they're sleeping until the wedding supper of the Lamb?
I have experienced spirits coming to me.
When I didn't know they passed.
I know lots of people who talk or pray to their loved ones. Very sad.
We all have our opinion about how how things is going to turn out in the end but none of us know exactly and we won't know until it happens. But Jesus says that in the end he will send his angels together his electrum the four corners of the earth. And that is what we call the Rapture of the church. The Bible causes the catching away of the bride of Christ. It also talks about and people will be working at a Mill. One shall be taken and the other left.
Where does 1Thes.4:16-17 come in here? The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout. With the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God. Then the DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST and we which are alive and remain, shall be caught up to heaven with Him there in the clouds and meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
@desiringGod I'm a firm believer the reason we sin is to share our testimony with others can you shed some light on me to help me understand the importance of sin and helping others not make the same mistake
Thank you be bless
Abraham stuck in sheol in the old treatment told the rich man stuck in hades that he wouldn't warn his brothers because they have moses and the prophets. That indicates that the dead know the living because abraham died way before moses. Also in sheol they couldn't escape, so that means the saints know perfect knowledge without having to see it personally!!! SO THEY DO KNOW BUT THEY DON'T WATCH OVER US AND THEY ARE NOT ANGELS.
Of course they are now with Christ in heaven experiencing perfection.
Why would a heavenly spirit won’t to know pain and heartaches
God is spirit.
God knows pain and heartaches.
God sees these things from Heaven.
When we see him we shall be like him.
Read Rev 6:9-11
And THINK
bye
I do not believe they are watching nor can we contact them. Also how do we know the heart of man but God, we don't know if they were saved or not but only by their testimony on earth
My husband was widowed twice when I married him. So will he have three wives in heaven?
Father YAHweh is not ashamed to call me His son. Thank You Father YAHweh
Hebrews 11:16 But now they long for a better kingdom, that is, a heavenly; therefore, Father YAHweh is not ashamed to be called their Father, for He has prepared a city for them.
Hebrews 1:1 Father YAHweh, Who at various times and in different ways spoke in times past to our fathers through the prophets,
2 Has in these last days spoken to us through His Son, Whom He has appointed heir of all things, for Whom He also made the world.
3 Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Father YAHweh, and the representation of Father YAHweh's PLAN, by upholding all things concerning, that which was spoken by, Father YAHweh through the Prophets, when YAHshua had purged sins, sat down on the right hand of Father YAHweh on high,
4 Becoming so much better than the malakim, He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they. ( That NAME is YAHwehShua.)
The Firstborn From The Dead,
5 For example, to which of the malakim did Father YAHweh ever say:
You are My Son, I, today, I have become your Father? And again:
I Myself shall become His Father, and He Himself will become My Son?
6 But when He again brings His firstborn ( Romans 1:4 ) into the inhabited world, He says: Let all the malakim of YAHweh worship Him.
7 Now of the malakim He says: Who makes His malakim spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire.
8 But to the Son He says: The throne of Your Father YAHweh is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity; therefore YAHweh Your Father has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions; fellow heirs.
10 And You, Father YAHweh, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
12 Yes, all of them will wear out like a garment. Like clothing You will change them, and they pass away. But You remain the same, and Your years will have no end.
13 But to which of the malakim has Father YAHweh ever said: Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool?
14 Are the malakim not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for those who will be heirs of salvation?
Revelation 3:12-13 He who overcomes, I will make a pillar in the temple of My Father YAHweh, and he will never go out of it. And I will write upon him the Name of My Father YAHweh, and the Name of the New Yerusalem which comes down out of heaven from My Father YAHweh , and I will write on him My New Name.
13 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit of Father YAHweh says to the called out ones.
Romans 1: 1 Shaul, a servant of YAHwehshua Messiah, called an apostle, set apart to preach the message of Father YAHweh
2 Which Father YAHweh had promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures:
3 Concerning His Son, YAHwehShua Messiah our King, Who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,
4 And declared to be the Son of Father YAHweh with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead; Praise Father YAHweh
This is a moot point since there is no one in Heaven yet. The Bible is clear: “The dead know nothing”. The dead are resting in the grave until the second coming. There is no verse that says anyone is in Heaven looking down on us.
aerodave1 what do you make of the verse that says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord?
I thought everyone is dead/asleep until judgement day
If we as believers go to heaven but leave unbelieving family or friends behind, can we still pray for them when in heaven?
Arent people who die asleep in their graves until the judgement day?
Does it not say in the bible and also jesus said that we all go to the grave until the resarection and we are dead in sleep till then why do so many Christian's think we go to heaven the lord says earth is the new heaven
what i've learned and heard-------------------YES.....AND MINE ARE ACTUALLY SHAKING THEIR HEADS IN DISGUST..............OH WELL
If We as christians rise up to heaven only during the second coming of Christ, then what happens to our souls immediately after we die? Is there like a waiting place that we go to? Or are we in the tomb until God calls us?
2 Thessalonians 2:15 hold to the traditions Etc. the early Christians venerated the Blessed Mother. There's pictures of her in the catacombs mother and child. might be wise to be slow to criticize Catholics in their veneration of Gods proven friends. It was actually the Catholics that preserved our Bible all through the early centuries. Christ could have easily appeared on the scene without a mother but he chose to come through her. It was through her intercession that he performed his first public miracle. there are some Catholic writers who have said that those who do not have Mary for their mother will not have God for their father. You never know Catholics may have it better as far as the blessed mother is concerned, than the rest of us do. May the God of Heaven lead us all through Jesus Christ Our Lord amen
So reading most of comments I understand we die "sleep" til resurrection bones turn to dust as our spirit goes back to God. So when we die we no nothing until we are ressurected. Then we are awake or alive again? And how many levels of heaven and hell are there??
Look at School for Prophets video on dead
as he rightly piper says.. Let's take heart ♥ that Christ will be rather should be then
and here our Cheif passion our heart.. Be thou my vision
There’s no love ones or saints looking down on you checking up on you and see how you doing. Just like you had no consciousness before you were born it’s the same when you are dead. If you have the Spirit of God in you then you will know and understand.
AND they all told ware they went......you must become a CHRISTIAN AS THE ONES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT............AND THE WRITERS WERE ALL APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL'S ....... EVEN THE MOTHER OF JESUS ....had to become one.....ACT'S 2 nd chapter......and the ANGLE HAD TO TELL THE FIRST JENTILE HOW TO BE SAVED........ARE YOU ONE.......for 325 yrs.....AD..
No