A look at the (Shagbark) Hickory nut and the Butternut
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- There's still plenty of time to harvest wild nuts this year! I encourage you to get out there and look: doing so is fun, healthy, and rewarding. And I'm very serious about trying black walnut cornbread- it's the bees knees. If you want to know more about collection, storage, and curing time, follow the link to the black walnut video that's at the end.
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Desert City Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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I found those 3 types of trees in my citie, Gatineau, nearby Ottawa in Canada, and there where only 1 butternut tree. They are so rare and they can grow way further up north then the other ones. the butternut tree was so full that I filled 2 big buckets, meaning 200 or 300 maybe. I'll plant them in buckets to give them to my cousins at their farm. They'll be rich with that really soon, plus it will give a boost to the specie. I haven't tasted butternut yet but I heard it's amazingly good. Little tip here for everyone, if you find butternut that are ready, plant some to help the specie ;)
Yes, this is very true! Please plant butternut seeds to help the species.
germinated my first crop of Acadian Forest butternut seedlings
Dad used to collect the walnuts, throw them on the gravel driveway to dry and then as the cars ran over them the husks would disappear! Worked like a charm and the inner shells did not break.
This also helps keeps weeds down in the driveway, as black walnut husks contain juglone a natural herbicide that chokes out sensitive species.
When I was a young kid one of my friends threw a black walnut at me and stained one of my favorite shirts that my mom got for me while she was visiting another state. Worst stain ever. This comment doesn't really add to the video and I'm sorry if you read it but those walnut stains are no joke.
Thanks for the video pocket.
That's funny. What a friend.
One man's tough stain is another man's (or woman's) permanent dye, I'd Imagine. Nature sure gives us some great stuffl, Maybe it's a good thing for us that squirrels don't like them until the husks are gone :)
I believe native Americans and colonists dyed cloth using the husks resulting in a tan to medium brown color.
I used to gather walnuts as a kid and we would drop them on the laneway. The vehicles driving over them would husk them and then I'd have to pick through and gather the whole nuts for curing. Amazingly, very few were crushed completely, mind you it was a gravel drive and not paved or cement.
Go grab some nuts this weekend! No, really, try it ;)
I also have another (build) video going public in a few minutes. Enjoy!
Wish I had some trees near me that were nut producing. I did plant some pecan trees, I think it was two or three years ago. So few more years and I'll have pecans.
Thx for this! It was very interesting! I am in hobbs new mexico and hardly a tree in sight down here, lol. Your stated goal for making this video was definitely fulfilled here!
Its crazy how far I had to look on youtube to find information on Butternuts. We have a tree planted in our yard I know they are rare. Our area is bringing some rare trees back but they are all still young. Its nice to see what the fruits and nuts look like :) I can identify the trees by many ways now :) I just have to try their nuts still :)
I just planted two white walnut, two almond, and two American chestnut. Gonna look good in about ten years! Gotta start sometime! 😉
They say that the best time to plant a fruit tree is ten years ago!
Don't worry, it'll go too fast.
There's a butternut tree located on Holly Hill Rd in Roan Mountain TN.
It is a three fork old healthy tree sitting right beside the Doe River on my parents
property. The nuts were DELICIOUS!
Good video!! I’m just finding butternuts here in Connecticut now. If I were YOU or anyone else watching ought to try using a high pressure washer for both the butternut and black walnut. So for husk removal let the husks turn black and mushy with the black walnuts and buy 3/4” metal mesh and make a 2’ cube container. Put a bunch of the nuts in the container and use the high pressure washer. It works great and efficient. For the black walnut is extremely dirty and black staining dye will spray all over so one ought to also raise the nuts up on rocks or some type of platform.
Now I didn’t use the 3/4” 2’ cube container for the butternuts yet and they might need to have a smaller size yet. I’ll be trying them later this year.
My Uncle Vic when alive told me the black walnuts attained a sweetness after first frost. So unsure if this also applies to both hickory and black walnuts.
You won't like this reply, but I'm going to advise you NOT to use that method. Walnut husk is a sponge that contains a concentrated stew of nasty compounds. As soon as you start spraying them, you make a liquid herbicide that gets everywhere. Do yourself a favor and husk them dry; as soon as the rind is soft enough to peel, use a knife to halve it, then give it a twist, and throw it away. Don't even compost the waste. You'll get more of the brown stuff out of your life in this way. I treat it like toxic waste.
As far as sweet flavor goes, my recommendation is to remove the rind as soon as is easily possible. I'm unaware of any correlation with frost. Trust me when I say that the rind adds no possible benefit to the meat's sweetness. There's a certain time, a 'sweet spot,' when it will loosen just enough to separate, yet still cut with a dull knife. Most of the nuts will still retain that characteristic smoky flavor, don't worry.
You can use a short piece of PVC pipe as a scraper tool to remove any stuck rind. After the green part is gone, I just swish them around in a bucket a few times and then let them dry. Pitch the floaters. This is not as much work as it sounds. Don't stress. Pour off the brown juice in the gravel somewhere. Assuming you're just taking enough for yearly personal use, it has been my experience (having harvested nuts year after year) that it's simply best to do it the easiest way possible. Just consider, and good luck.
Nice info, Thank you
Great Video. Whenever i see that you have published one of your videos i am really happy.
Thank you! I also just put out a build video for gymnasts' rings.
My parents’ farm had two standard walnut trees and a gigantic black walnut tree in our yard. Mom used to use pantyhose to dry the walnuts. Your use of the bath poof reminded me 😂😜
Also the stains never EVER leave the soles of your sneakers.
We have a local brewery that makes a black walnut wheat ale. Fantastic. Look for Piney River...
Can't you plant some of those butternuts just like a black walnut?
The iodine in the walnut husk does stain like crazy, it also can burn the skin somewhat, if you do a big batch. Back at my grandfolks in Moldova, I've seen some oldtimer farmers with nubs as dark as coal from all the peeling. The outer husk is also a nuisance, no livestock eats them and they're no good to put in the soil
Some people compare that staining substance to iodine, but actually it's far from that (it's more like a hair dye):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juglone
pocket83 a head shot really . I slice the black walnuts with my band saw and you come up with some interesting patterns made a necklace out of one shaped like a hart
My grandpap asked me to do that. I made a basket out of one by leaving a thin "handle." It only takes four cuts. And no, I'm not showing my face!
Right on
i have a pecan tree in my front yard, but it doesnt produce much in the way of edible nuts, the ones it does produce however get eaten by the squirrels and the shells thrown at our cars
We had a walnut tree in primary school, which grew straight out of the compost pile!
After seeing this video, I'm thinking it might have actually been a black walnut tree. The husks were terrible in every way... We scraped the nuts along a wall near the tree, to get the husks off. I'm pretty sure those stains are still there, now almost 20 years later... :V
There’s a gigantic butternut tree near me and I can’t wait to harvest the nuts
I won't harvest them again--they taste terrible! I'm more of a Black Walnut person. Still, you've got to try if you know where one is. Maybe you'll like 'em!
I discovered a butter nut tree near me behind a Spanish bodega here in Philly. I didnt know what it was, but brought home some fruit to research it. When did you know they were ready for harvest and how were they for you?
Awesome. I am getting my house in California on the market and planning on moving near Canadaigua, NY in the finger lakes region and I bet there will be nut trees like these near me soon.
Thanks for this... I have several of what seem to be "mocker nut" hickory trees on my property (ulster county NY). They are enormous trees and drop tons of big round nuts. It can be dangerous when the nuts start falling in earnest. Not really edible as far as I can tell reading about them, mostly because the nut meat itself is tiny, but maybe I'll try collecting and curing some just to see.
Hmm. I know there are lots of variants, so I just look for the "shaggy" bark. That's the most suitable variety for food where I live, since it's almost the same thing as a pecan. If you look around, I'd bet you can find a shagbark. You're just on the other side of the hills from me.
I had two butternut treesand three black walnut trees in my yard. I ever knew how how to harvest the nuts properly. And of course u tube wasn’t around. Well we got old and needed to downsize so we sold the house and property to the city because everything was flooding. I took them around to show them all the trees. Including paw paw persimmon chestnut hazelnut and multiple fruit trees. I asked them not to bulldoze the trees when they destroyed the 100 year house. Sadly I went back to pick the nuts and found them all gone.
roll the butternuts under your foot to break the husk it will stain the concrete where you roll them. then in a pail of water with a paint mixer to clean them.
neat bit of info!
Looks like it's about time for me to collect my annual bucket of hazelnuts
I wonder how many of those I've just walked by, while assuming they were acorns.
I've never even looked for nuts in idaho, wonder if we have any. We have huckleberries, that's for damn sure!
i guarantee you have oak nuts (acorns) and 2-3 varieties of hickory nuts.
so how can I get you to send me a few dozen of each so i can plant them in Michigan in return I can send you some black walnuts in exchange thankyou
Do you still have butternuts, I will like to buy some from you.
I pretty sure you can still find many in the wild, I’ve found at least 15 in the London area
The main trees I have are oaks, and acorns aren't particularly tasty, though you can roast them and make an interesting coffee-like drink that's not nearly as good as the real thing. I've used butternut wood though, it's much softer than black walnut.
I know it was said at the beginning that this was recorded on the 30th and logic dictates the rings video must have been started well before then, still all the way through the bit where the shell is coming off the butternut I was expecting a sudden slip to deliver the cut that we saw dressed with duct tape in the rings video!
It was the bandsaw. Last week. There was a sharp edge on the blade cover that got me. I filed it smooth, though.
You should plant those seeds near to the parent tree, and notify butternut preservation groups of the tree's existence. That tree may be the blight resistant one that saves the species.
No. I'm planting some of the seeds around here, but it's pretty low on my ecological priorities list. Our forests are suffering widespread destruction from greedy property owners who log too frequently and without care. Conservation efforts are better spent elsewhere.
Besides, it lives in seclusion on the side of a slope, where it makes a yearly deposition of seed into the river below. It's better off without a human group roping it off to 'preserve' it. We *are* the blight.
I will be telling no one about it.
There is a butternut canker but no blight that is endangering this walnut. Butternuts are extremely popular in zone 3 and 4. Widely produced and sold by nurseries. Not endangered at all
Thoroughly enjoyable video :) Wish we had nut trees here (I live in Sydney). Not sure if I've ever seen a nut tree now that I think of it. Might look into growing peanuts or macadamia's.
Believe it or not, peanuts grow underground. They are attached to the roots of the plant by little strings. I remember my dad growing them when I was a kid.
As for where you live, I wonder what natural nut trees evolved there. It must be very different from where I live. The _Primitive Technology_ channel continues to fascinate me with the beauty of your natural environment.
That's really cool. I had an image in my head of all the peanuts growing all over a big tree like cherry's almost! Boy was I wrong.
I know macadamia's grow around here, but they are one of my least favourite nuts. I'll definitely do some research though :) it'd be wonderful to have nut trees. At the end of the year I may be moving to a place 6hrs south which gets snow in the winter and scorching hot weather in the summer... so I have no idea what fruits and veggies I'll be able to grow there.
That's really kind of you to say. I love the Aussie environment but I've got to say, pine trees and lakes and hummingbirds really tempt me to move to the US. It sure looks gorgeous from this side of the planet.
I would love to grow pistacio's. Not too sure if they grow in the southern parts of Australia though. I've only heard of them up north :) Never seen Bunya pines, I'll have to do some research and keep my eye out for them! Thanks Ryan.
I bought a new home a year ago, and in front yard is a large Hickory, the nuts are falling now. They are green. How do I dry them so that I can harvest the nuts?
Same way. First, beat the squirrels to them. Don't work too hard; Hickory nuts will have four lobes on their green husks which will naturally fall off after a few days in the garage. Keep them up where air can get to them, but not in the sun. Drying them out too quickly will crack them.
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Once they are only nuts, hang them in little mesh bags of 100 or so-- again, out of the sun--and they will cure in around a month. Oh, you can also use the float/sink test to look for bad ones at the point right before you hang them. Just towel them off quickly after.
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With any luck, your tree is a Shag-bark. If it has strips of bark peeling away, that's the one; those are the good nuts, which taste like Pecans. I wish I still lived near those. Let me know your results. Good luck.
Nice 👍 Being in the West I have zero experience with walnuts other than our native CA black walnut and widely commercially grown English/Persian walnut. I just this year purchased a corn sheller both for our popcorn but also for husking green walnuts. Our harvest isnt until next month so Im still anxious to see how it does. The juice from those husks makes a pretty potent die; still stain hands for a while
On the ground, the husk rapidly gets off. The faster way to clean the nuts imo is to bury them in sans/soil in pots or containers
They need (dry) air to loosen the husk. Three days in the shed had them come off easily. I would advise against burying them; no need to give them an additional opportunity to grow microbial life or develop worms.
usually they will only germinate after the winters cold and stratification process. And my comment only apply for walnut- i get a clean shell after 2 days in a mesh box buried in sand but you r very right for hickories and chestnut
I wonder what color dye each produces, between the white (butternut) and black walnuts. I have a cotton blanket I'd like to dye some sort of brown or sienna. I just got some butternuts from outside, I've never processed nuts before.
Both should produce a very similar dye. I've made stain before from the Black Walnut husk. The following video will give you a look at it:
ua-cam.com/video/6LI7Owk4wXU/v-deo.html
I have butternut trees in upstate NY. Challenging to get much meat out of the shells
Where upstate? I'm in the city. Curious where to find butternuts
Where is the "peninsula?" Are you in Canada?
How can you tell when to harvest them? I have trees near me, but I haven't seen the piles of husks in the parking lot yet
Hickory? Get them now if they're on the ground. Better hurry!
If the husks aren't loose yet, just put them in a bucket and keep setting it in the sun for a few days. Don't struggle: they'll dry out a bit and become easier to get off naturally. A (short) flat-head screwdriver can help pry them off when they're ready.
Thanks for the video! do you have one that shows how to get the nut meats out of the hickory nuts? I saw a video a long time ago on here where a guy used wire cutters, but I cannot find it, and i forgot his technique. Thanks!
...3 years later. Is this the video you were talking about? ua-cam.com/video/nnAOchXir_I/v-deo.html
Idk if im spelling this right hopefully u know what I'm trying to say is the pracimion trees related or is it one of those I live in south jersey ive seen all those nuts around here and arw they also seeds??
The Persimmon? I've never seen one here, but I think they grow where you are. Here's the link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diospyros_virginiana
SO maybe you could plant a few of those nuts and grow your on Butter nut trees.
he'd be dead or infirm by the time those trees start producing fruits. Hardwood nut trees take decades before they mature to the point of fruiting. Mockernut hickory for instance take 25-30 years. But they go on to fruit for like a hundred fifty years. When you plant nut trees, you're really planting them for your grandchildren, not yourself.
What about the oils that some nuts have? That would go rancid after a certain amount of time
I don't know. That's a great question. I can only speak from experience, and in mine, black walnuts cured properly are still perfectly edible for a very long time. Still, they are abundant enough here that I see no point in keeping them beyond a year or two.
Great video! How is the flavor of the hickory and butternut?
Hickory nuts are similar to pecans. Those are nice. Butternut, on the other hand, is disgusting! It has a really strong, smoky flavor that's a bit too caustic for my taste. Reminds me of burnt wires for some reason. Of course, one might have the same opinion of the black walnut, which I love. So it's all a matter of personal taste ;)
pocket83² Thanks. It’s weird, I love so many fruits and nuts but black walnut just tastes gross to me. A weird mixture of artificial cherry and gasoline...maybe similar to how you describe butternut...what does black walnut taste like to you?
Yep. Artificial cherry and gasoline! With a hint of smokiness. Consider: nothing much grows well under a black walnut tree, and I've even had chemical burns from too much exposure to the noxious compound(s) in the husks. As such, admittedly, it must be an acquired taste.
I can understand why a person would find them overpowering. I'm a fairly firm believer that our taste preferences are largely shaped by our life experiences and/or biases. If my life had gone a different way, I might despise them. But as it is, I like the gritty things.
Odd aside: _Impatiens capensis,_ (or the orange jewelweed) is a natural touch-me-not that grows around here. It'll pop off a few little brown seeds in late summer. If you catch them in your hand, their taste is nearly identical to the black walnut, albeit with a slightly lessened sting. I've been eating them in small doses since I was a kid.
hahaha Hickory nuts are a bit tougher to crack open but taste a lot like a black walnut. A bit of a stronger flavor. If you like one there's a good chance you'll like the other. Hulls are great to use in the smoker.
Butternut/white oak rare? Not in the real Upstate NY.
I didn't say anything about Oak. Butternut is also known as White Walnut, and the tree is certainly endangered. Canker is also killing it to the south. If you live around a grove, it's a rarity. Since I've moved up the mountain, I have yet to see a Butternut tree, but you're a good distance from here.
I want some of the black and the white walnut can anybody send me some
Out of season right now. Wait until the end of summer, and ask around then. They (black walnuts) should be dirt cheap, except for shipping. Check Wikipedia to see where they grow. You might be able to find some 'pick em up yourself' freebies on Craigslist if you're anywhere near eastern north America.
You're not likely to find butternuts, though; they're pretty rare. Don't worry, they taste terrible anyhow, and the tree is virtually identical to the black Walnut, so you aren't missing anything.
pocket83² I am from Egypt Sir
It it far from reach for me
So I want to get some ( nut fruits ) that are new or unknown in my country like black and white walnuts and acorn and becan and mecademia
And I wat to try to grow them because I am a student in the faculty agricultural engineering
I like to try every thing
So I am trying to get them but no one is cooperating with me
Are you still looking for butter nuts?
those are small nuts
Vicarious? You listen to tool, don't you?
Sure. That was their best album. But the word just means that you get to have the experience through me: you don't have to get your hands dirty!
In the context of _10,000 Days,_ he was admitting to having a guilty pleasure, which was a fixation with the death of others. Further, he argues that we all share a similar preoccupation- whether we admit it or not.
Thus, violence is best experienced vicariously, even though that's perhaps hypocritical, avoidant, and cowardly. And ultimately impossible.
Thanks for the video. However, a word of caution. You've collected a sizeable crop of seeds from a rare species, butternut (Juglans cinerea), which is already struggling to produce viable offspring, hence it's rarity. Then you advertised where the one specimen you know of is located on social media. This is a big no, no in natural resource conservation and contributes to the decline of such species. While social media has been a boon of information, from which I too have personally benifited, public knowledge of such rare natural resources through social media has lead to precipitous declines in rare species and habitat destruction. Please be more mindful of our biodiversity. Once these awesome things are gone... they are gone. Cheers.
I hope you're joking. Where did I provide directions to this tree that weren't laughably vague? Further, it's as rude as it is presumptuous for you to be lecturing me on ecology.
The arrogance of the "conservationist" mindset! It's as though only you hipsters- with your North Face packs, trendy 'survival' gear, and Cannondale bikes- could be adept in the woods or act responsibly! You've made the outdoors into a novelty menagerie which you view as distinct from yourself, so that you may sample from it at convenience while wearing Nylon pants and remaining on the trail. And then you sanctimoniously act as though you work only in its favor! Cultural change follows naturally from an informed public; it is awareness that promotes preservation, not abstinence-lecturing from the privileged.
Go be mindful of your own actions: if you want to make an _actual_ change, reduce your personal waste. Maybe get a vasectomy.
Ok, I thought about it and came back. I overreacted to your comment. But I want to make this point, without hostility: the idea that some of us have a duty to preserve, while others are destined to only be wasteful- is exclusionary, problematic, and naïve.
The fact is that we are _all_ wasteful to some degree. Perhaps we can mitigate this reality by lessening our ignorance of it.
Here I will quote D.F.Wallace:
"To be a tourist... is to spoil, by way of sheer ontology, the very unspoiledness you are there to experience."
-from _Consider The Lobster_
What a complete ass, you went about this the wrong way. You're language was wacked.