Have you considered writing a book on the Grid? Namely, a comprehensive deep-dive of each module: how it works (DSP functions), and some examples of common and uncommon uses. And maybe a cookbook section? Would seriously buy.
Cool! Yeah, I made to research different allpass chains for a good IIR phase splitter to build a freq shifter. Looks like they added some Cartesian to polar conversions in there as well. Theirs is probably much better than mine, but it’s interesting how you built a filterbank off analytic functions. It’s not *exactly* FFT but it’s getting very close in overlapping concept. Anyway, really cool patch. Bitwig’s crazy. Kudos on good work! ❤️
@0:00 love that intro! aesthetically pleasing combo of visuals and sound I'm still a total noob at the grid, (as the things i wanted to create there for live-audio found a nice workaround outside of the grid), but if i'll ever dive into it, i'll binge watch the thousand hours available here to learn :D
How are they recreating a full spectrum signal with just one phase into one sine wave with magnitude coefficient? Wouldn't they need to generate a phase and magnatude for like a whole bunch of frequency bins or something?
Name something it doesn't already have that is not niche or powerful? The Grid has been extremely powerful since it was released and only getting better with each module they have added over the years.
dk how it works in bitwig, but brainmodular usine had a similar module where man could plug an array to directly manipulate mags for ex, maybe something similar can be done
@@PolarityMusic After I installed 5.3 I can not find presets that worked perfectly in 5.2.7 .... Thanks for the info, I will try to find what is wrong.
Since the filters don't go below 20 Hz, you could use Follower or Follower-RF, right? You might want to add a regular filter after the Follower, as slew limiting won't remove audio completely.
@PolarityMusic i haven't tried it yet myself, but Follower outputs a positive only signal, so I can't say for sure that it would work in this application. It's odd that the grid doesn't have a straight up slew limiter, especially given that it's kind of a basic building block for hardware modular.
@@PolarityMusic thanks a lot! It makes nice harmonic sounds out of nice. I think what we need is band-ass filters that (like in a comb filter) repeat on every double freq, Then we can filter the low end and just have 12 of them. I'll play a bit with the patch.
wow fascinating!! Could you use the FFT approach to try and tame resonance peaks? Detect frequencies exceeding a set threshold and then attenuate. Or is the filtering too sharp to be useable that way?
In theory, yes! But as I mentioned in the video, you’d need to generate a lot more bins to properly monitor a sufficient range of frequencies. I don’t think duplicating the patch to achieve that is very effective. It’s better to use the Loud Split device instead-it’s native and optimized for this kind of task. ua-cam.com/video/NY9toXI-8nE/v-deo.html
3 days no sleep and multiple attempts. I had a rough idea how it could work (kinda already said it in the live stream), but needed a bit of reasearch on how to connect the dots.
@@PolarityMusic Impressive. I had just been researching how to build a frequency shifter, and then they come out with this update! I thought the dome filter might have something to do with that, but I didn't know what the outputs were doing, so this video is so helpful! Big props to you! Just wondering did you get any info about the Dome filter from Bitwig directly?
So... Applying analog tape effects digitally by rest the sizing audio, but not by grains but by... Phase analysis, and phase modulation, to resynthesis? I'm not going to lie my brain hurts but I love it
This video: ua-cam.com/video/b5DevnKMpDo/v-deo.html explains about the Dome module and Hilbert Transform. If I understand it correctly, the Hilbert Transform decomposes an input signal into its envelope and its phase. It can be used for pitch shifting and note detection.
now you can do real electric engineering? Did you try to paint lissajous figures or Trajectories of the Ortskurve? This seems amazing. I mean if you have complex mathematics available this seems a new dimension to me
Man, this makes Space Sounds!!! I have a question regarding how to create a Low Pass gate and how to impliment symmetry in the wave folder module.. But should i save that type of thing on rhe Bitwig forum, or are these type of questions specifically for your patreon page? I understand if you don't answer questions for free.
you can write me on discord anytime 🤝 or on patreon, not sure if the dms are open there for the free tier or just mail. i try to answer everything, sometimes its just too much (so it takes a bit of time) :D
Have you considered writing a book on the Grid?
Namely, a comprehensive deep-dive of each module: how it works (DSP functions), and some examples of common and uncommon uses.
And maybe a cookbook section?
Would seriously buy.
that would be be a great idea, I would definitely buy it!
or, I need to update my other channel: www.youtube.com/@BitwigGuide 😂
would recommend reading something like "Generating Sound & Organizing Time"
@@WilsonRyan on it!
with some great saurkraut recipes! but yeah i would totally buy that book
This is a great addition, a while ago I played around with making a dome filter out of all pass filters but this is much better.
I was so confused with what to do with this but wow it's actually so cool
Cool! Yeah, I made to research different allpass chains for a good IIR phase splitter to build a freq shifter. Looks like they added some Cartesian to polar conversions in there as well. Theirs is probably much better than mine, but it’s interesting how you built a filterbank off analytic functions. It’s not *exactly* FFT but it’s getting very close in overlapping concept.
Anyway, really cool patch. Bitwig’s crazy. Kudos on good work! ❤️
Nice! Now we need ifft module in the grid so we could implement wavetable filters and spectral effects in the grid
You are a great source for inspiration. Thanks for this interesting video! :)
@0:00 love that intro! aesthetically pleasing combo of visuals and sound
I'm still a total noob at the grid, (as the things i wanted to create there for live-audio found a nice workaround outside of the grid), but if i'll ever dive into it, i'll binge watch the thousand hours available here to learn :D
And I always thought you were a bitwig wizard. Now I realize that you are a sound scientist. That is really weird
How are they recreating a full spectrum signal with just one phase into one sine wave with magnitude coefficient? Wouldn't they need to generate a phase and magnatude for like a whole bunch of frequency bins or something?
Thank you!
Thanks for this! Quite geeky but well explained, I love it :). We'll see what kind of shenanigans we can cook up 😵💫🤪
for sure!
Slight R2-D2 there, what a powerul filter and will look forward to trying this a little later in the year when 5.3 comes out.
Perfect type of content!
Isn't the "single bin FFT" essentially one of those lock-in amplifiers Hainbach loves so much (for good reason!)?
sounds like it, yes :)
This is fascinating
Wow…terrific sonic destruction potential!
Thanks for this!
I was wondering about this dome filter. Thank you for explaining. I would have given up after a few minutes
Where is that melody from around 6.30?
Hey Polarity, could this help in getting better results when pitch tracking audio signals?
I'm expecting (read: hoping for) some major new Grid features in Bitwig 6. This feels like a glimpse of something bigger.
Name something it doesn't already have that is not niche or powerful? The Grid has been extremely powerful since it was released and only getting better with each module they have added over the years.
Very interesting, but my pea sized brain is now totally miscombobulated
@@pupstudio apply combobulatum ointment to your nose/ears and it will seep in to the brain.
@ okay….ill give ya that one! Funny!
dk how it works in bitwig, but brainmodular usine had a similar module where man could plug an array to directly manipulate mags for ex, maybe something similar can be done
Did you manage to resolve missig presets in browser in 5.3 beta? I tried to revert back to 5.2.7 but even there presets not show :(
The missing preset was my fault. I restored it shortly into the stream.
@@PolarityMusic After I installed 5.3 I can not find presets that worked perfectly in 5.2.7 .... Thanks for the info, I will try to find what is wrong.
check if the "sound content locations" / "my library" points to the right paths in the settings.
@@PolarityMusic That is the first thing i checked and everything is ok... just do not see anything inside.
Since the filters don't go below 20 Hz, you could use Follower or Follower-RF, right? You might want to add a regular filter after the Follower, as slew limiting won't remove audio completely.
someone mentioned, you can use the pitch input of the filters which allows you to go lower
@PolarityMusic i haven't tried it yet myself, but Follower outputs a positive only signal, so I can't say for sure that it would work in this application. It's odd that the grid doesn't have a straight up slew limiter, especially given that it's kind of a basic building block for hardware modular.
Wonder if we can build something like Chroma
check the link in the description, i uploaded a chroma idea as preset
@@PolarityMusic thanks a lot! It makes nice harmonic sounds out of nice. I think what we need is band-ass filters that (like in a comb filter) repeat on every double freq, Then we can filter the low end and just have 12 of them. I'll play a bit with the patch.
wow fascinating!! Could you use the FFT approach to try and tame resonance peaks? Detect frequencies exceeding a set threshold and then attenuate. Or is the filtering too sharp to be useable that way?
In theory, yes! But as I mentioned in the video, you’d need to generate a lot more bins to properly monitor a sufficient range of frequencies. I don’t think duplicating the patch to achieve that is very effective. It’s better to use the Loud Split device instead-it’s native and optimized for this kind of task. ua-cam.com/video/NY9toXI-8nE/v-deo.html
@@PolarityMusic ahhh yes!!! Thank you!!!
How did you find out about this stuff?? Did you have a source or did you just figure it out through experimenting?
Didn't you know? Polarity IS the spirit of Bitwig manifested in human form. Facts
3 days no sleep and multiple attempts. I had a rough idea how it could work (kinda already said it in the live stream), but needed a bit of reasearch on how to connect the dots.
@@PolarityMusic Impressive. I had just been researching how to build a frequency shifter, and then they come out with this update! I thought the dome filter might have something to do with that, but I didn't know what the outputs were doing, so this video is so helpful! Big props to you! Just wondering did you get any info about the Dome filter from Bitwig directly?
So... Applying analog tape effects digitally by rest the sizing audio, but not by grains but by... Phase analysis, and phase modulation, to resynthesis?
I'm not going to lie my brain hurts but I love it
This video:
ua-cam.com/video/b5DevnKMpDo/v-deo.html
explains about the Dome module and Hilbert Transform. If I understand it correctly, the Hilbert Transform decomposes an input signal into its envelope and its phase. It can be used for pitch shifting and note detection.
Any idea why it's called 'dome'?
Mhh no idea. because of the 90° phase shift? splitting the signal in sin/cos and it looks like a dome? 😂
They could also have called it Rimp (real, Imag, Mag, Phase) :)
@@PolarityMusic like notch, shelve or comb indeed!
@@StefanSauer this would've been better indeed! It sticks and you know right away what the ports do!
Its the surname of the person who invented it
now you can do real electric engineering? Did you try to paint lissajous figures or Trajectories of the Ortskurve? This seems amazing. I mean if you have complex mathematics available this seems a new dimension to me
Hmm...yeah maybe i should upgrade my plan.
Im on 5.0 still lol
Man, this makes Space Sounds!!! I have a question regarding how to create a Low Pass gate and how to impliment symmetry in the wave folder module.. But should i save that type of thing on rhe Bitwig forum, or are these type of questions specifically for your patreon page? I understand if you don't answer questions for free.
you can write me on discord anytime 🤝 or on patreon, not sure if the dms are open there for the free tier or just mail. i try to answer everything, sometimes its just too much (so it takes a bit of time) :D
I will do so! Thank you so much!
the iron dome filter
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