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Mora Robust V.S Companion Heavy Duty: which is better?
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- Опубліковано 28 жов 2014
- Comparison review of the Mora Robust and the Companion Heavy Duty.
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You know the 23° scandi grind on a Mora is 23° inclusive ? That Lansky sharpener sharpens your edge to 22.5° per side. Pull through sharpeners are garbage anyways, just use something like a DC4.
I can see right off the bat that the Robust has a thicker blade. Now to each their own but if you're going to baton (Only if you don't have a hatchet/axe available and you ARE in a survival role, not weekend warrior role) the robust would be a better choice. If you're going to need more as far as food preparation you want a thinner blade width. In my personal opinion, Mora knives are fantastic knives but should really be used as secondary knives (for smaller tasks) and not primary knives. It fills a great role of a camping knife, for the price.
It does look thinner yet the new specs for the Companion HD show it at 3.2mm same as the High Q. I wonder if his HD is really an MG. Just measured my Companion HD and it is 1/8"
R. M. Why do you say second knife? What would you use as a primary? Just something bigger you mean?
The companion just has a rounded spine. The robust looks less round and catches the light more, giving the appearance of a thicker stock.
Mora Robust and the Mora Companion Heavy Duty are the same thickness of 1/8". But, the Mora Robust has a 3.6" blade and the Mora Companion Heavy Duty has a 4.1" blade with a larger handle and a 27 degree edge instead of a 23 degree edge. Hope that helps.
The two knives are identical except for the color and attachment point on the Robust sheath. In the past Mora has always charged a few dollars more for the MG color. Many people don't like the button shape attachment point on the Robust sheath so they try to move them at a lower price.
+Mea Woodsman You can see that they are different in terms of thickness right? The MG is thinner and better at bushcrafting than the Robust.
+xXThoronXx You post title said you were comparing to the Companion Heavy Duty which is 3.2 mm thick, same as the Robust.
+Mea Woodsman I do not understand what you are trying to say, please re-construct your sentence.
+xXThoronXx You said:You can see that they are different in terms of thickness right? The MG is thinner and better at bushcrafting than the Robust.I said they are the same thickness 3.2mm. Capiche.
Mea Woodsman I am sorry for any misunderstanding, but I meant the handle of the knife.
Your gray knife is not Mora Robust. Robust features 89mm blase vs 100mm on Companion, has completely other handle and sheath.
www.lamnia.com/en/p/10081/knives/morakniv-robust-knife
So you are comparing same knives. The only reason is handle color, it might be some limited run for particular distributor or business (for painters for instance).
I’m not sure, especially since this video is older and that means new models may have replaced old ones but with new names... that is not a mora Robust. It is a Companion HD. The giveaway is the handles. The Robust (at least the newest one) handle has a much more pronounced guard. The companion is more streamlined like we see here on both knives.
Also, baton with them all you want. You can’t tell me it’s not made to handle it. The heavy duty moras test really well on tests designed to intentionally damage them, and, they’re cheap. Would you rather spend $60 on a beefier knife and then whack it off things and risk breaking it, or would you rather do that with the cheap, $20 knife with the plastic handle that doesn’t look pretty (they’re not ugly, but they are very utilitarian, let’s face it)? I know what i would use. The one that’s easier to afford to replace. Although I would still stick to the robust. Better to be a bit on the safe side.
maybe the tang is a little longer on the companion, or the heat treat may be different idk lol
You're right on, the difference is in the edge angle. The heavy duty has a more abtuse edge geometry.
I sense a disturbance in the field. This is doubtless because there are 2 versions of the Robust. 1) Robust Classic, oldest, the one you see here; 2 ) Robust HD, newer, has the finger guards and a shorter blade. Mora doesn't put the name identifying the model on the blades. Hence confusion. I think the one with the grey handle is cooler. Cheaper too.
My heavy duty companion has a longer blade than my robust it is different than yours in the video it's a half inch longer .
Jeffery Whitlock, I just received a Companion HD/Robust Combo from Amazon. The Companion HD blade is 1/2" longer, and, slightly thicker than the Robust. I know the Robust is supposed to be slightly thicker than the HD, but, not on mine. My eyes said the HD is wider, and, my measurement verified. Did I get a one off run, that has a thicker HD blade, or, are the brand new HDs now slightly wider than the Robust. Also, IMO, the Companion HD feels much better in my hand, and, feels more substantial than the Robust. My Robust seems almost small compared to my Companion HD.
Your Mora Robust and Mora HQ Robust is not same models.
Come on guys!!! I have the hd companion 3.2 mm and the Robust pro shorter blade but also 3.2 mm.
@@ronniemorris9685 maybe you have the Robust pro which is a little shorter than the robust.
Hello, the companion HD is a longer blade than the Robusto.
If u get ur hands on either, grab them up.
Wonderful med size blade for all activities.
industrial tools pay less tax in Sweden. production is cheaper. just a tax policy issue. also, the industrial version is made in larger series.
the companion hd is $5 more because its green.....obviously:P
Great video! Thanks for the info!🤘🏼
You ruin the edge completely with a pull through sharpener, regardless of the angle.. A Scandi has a zero degree grind, and you have to sharpen the entire bevel at once. You can't do that with a pull through sharpener. You MUST lay the entire bevel flat on a stone to sharpen it. That pull through, used just once, has totally destroyed the Scandi grind.
I know this is an old comment, just wanted to reply so other readers can see, you are right about pull through sharpeners, but it's a misconception that scandi grinds are Zero degree grinds. The Mora scandi is a 22 degree inclusive grind, which is roughly 11 degree exclusive per side. It's said that the "Edge runs to Zero degree" but that's useless info as no edge is zero degree even at the apex, and all edges apex off no matter if it has a secondary bevel or not. There's no such thing as a zero degree angle, because a zero degree wedge is a flat bar. Every edge has a degree of incline, even the thinnest full flat grind with no secondary bevel still has an edge degree angle, even if it's only 7 degree per side.
@@londiniumarmoury7037 I like moras and like for utility, yard work, whittling and etc and tend to chip them....until I started to put a 15° micro bevel (oh the horror)and problem solved and is 95% of what it was originally for me. and isa a reply to an old post replying to Aa very old post.
@@nitrorc4life1 I still get the notifications to any post on my phone no matter the age lol. I put a 20 degree micro bevel on my Mora Robust as well with some ceramic rods. I even do it sometimes to my Japanese kitchen knives, not to stop chipping but because I can't be bothered to soak my water stones all the time, So I just run them over some rods to bring the apex back.
Check the blade thickness and length again - The Robust is 3.2mm thick and is 9.1cm long and the HD Companion is 3mm thick and 10mm long. Not a lot of difference but there is a small difference according to the specs on Heinie Haynes (UK site). May be different in the US though. Heinie's site is worth a look.
I noticed that the grey handed one has a thicker spine. You can check it with a caliper.
10mm long is a very tiny blade!
+allen robinson Ha ha, yes it certainly would be tiny blade. It should read 100mm (10cm) and not 10mm.
David Cooper hennie always gets the sizes wrong. Ive found they do anyway lol it's worth double checking
That sharpener is meant for 22.5 per side, so 45 degrees in total, when the Moras have 23 or 27 per total. You can use it free hand, but no passing trough, unless absolutely necessary. Anyway, nice comparison though.
Remora??
I wasn't sure the first three times he said it, but he was definitely saying Remora... wtf?
i thought something was *fishy* about this video!
the difference in my two moras (exact same models) is that the Companion has an overall better finish, first place you notice this is on the spine of the blade. Second, the injection lines on the sheath, and so on...
But yeah, gear marketed for camping is usually more expensive.
The companion has a 3/4 tang. The robust's tang is shorter making it not as strong.
You helped a lot thanks. You saved me 5€
I just got my robust for 13€ on Amazon.nl the last one
I was Lucky
dude, you put the knife in wrong thats why it slipped out the sheath. when you put it in right it clicks in place.
Basically get both and stick sheets together. They were made to be used that way.
The Robust HQ is no more. The new Robust is different, shorter blade different handle. So if you can get the old Robust model , get it!
Got 2, both unused.
Thanks for this
Those are two CHD knives. The robust has a more prominent index finger protector and blade is 1.1 cm shorter than the CHD.
Nice review! I have 2 of the Robust's on their way.
Thank you ! Very useful vid !
That Robust model is discontinued and is replaced with the Pro Robust.
The blades are not the same thickness
nope....my companion is clearly thicker
Have you measured? Or gave the back a nice 90° grind?
Idk about the robust or any other newer blades but I do know that many of the regular companions seem to have different thickness however it's just optical because the back's aren't completely flat 90°
When measured they measured the same tho looked a bit different.
3.2 both.
@@SuperMadmax1970thanks x
The companion is longer at least it’s supposed to be
Are you sure there isn't a tang difference? 3/4 tang vs. 1/2? One is more durable for beating, but unnoticeable without cutting a handle off?
I fixed the retention problem with velcro one wrap strap...
www.homedepot.com/p/VELCRO-brand-12-ft-x-3-4-in-One-Wrap-Strap-90340/202261925
and a 1/8 inch depth Chicago screw with a drill bit the same diameter as the Chicago screw. I drilled a hole in the sheath about 3/4 inch down from the top of the belt loop easily accessed from the slot in the back. Then I used the back of the drill bit and heated it with a bic lighter and melted a hole in a 4" strip of the velcro strap. I secured it to the sheath with the chicago screw and trimmed it as necessary with scissors. It makes a great retention strap. You can not pull the knife out if you try, without opening the strap' And If I ever cut it by accident there is plenty of strap to replace it since there is 12 feet on a roll. That strapping also works great for attaching things to a pack, wrapping up a wool blanket or tarp or anything else. It weighs nothing and is easy to pack. Just my 2 cents. I agree. I own the Robust Carbon and a Stainless Steal Companion for wet conditions.
I got all the models, 1 companion hd, 2 hq robust, 1 craftline pro robust, all carbon steel, all unused. Today I just ordered the the companion hd stainless orange.
What about the kind if steel ?? Both have Carbon steel, but I think Companion heavy duty has a special steel ....
you can clearly see that the blade on the robust is thicker. and also, you can clearly see the name on the knives is "mora" and not "remora".
Scandi grind needs wet-stones not a Lansky... use that wicked sharpener on your Hollow and Flat grinds Bro.
is there a real plain version of this knife? i have seen these at the auto parts store down the road, and they are cheap, like $20.
Just for info. The Mora Robust HQ and the Companion HD are the exact same knives. The handles are made in the same molds with different colors and the blade mikes at the same exact dimensions. The Robust HQ is now dis-continued for that simple reason.
They were basically the same knife but the Robust HQ had a different grind angle (27° vs. 23° on the Companion HD if I remember correctly). The Robust HQ was designed as a craftsmen knife, hence the less delicate grind angle.
I like your channel. Eretz israel
The Aesop's Fable of "The Emperor's New Clothes" comes to mind when discussing Mora Knives. Take the magical thinking from the collection and what is left is the reality. Mora makes lots of the exact same knives with different handles and names.
Yes, they are outstanding knives. As long as people continue to idolize them; the scam works well. (If I could produce toothpicks of various colors and with different names, that all worked well, then I would be guilty of the same concept). They sell and the public flocks behind their products.
+Gobekli tepe I disagree, the differences are subtle-however bushcrafters, outdoorsman, knife-fans love to debate and discuss these differences in all blades. Superficially they look similar-but there are differences in tang, blade steel, thickness, profile, weight, etc.
They are inexpensive, highly functional and easy to sharpen. Yes, some of it is marketing-but its not all marketing.
You could know almost nothing about blades and be happy with most any Mora, or you can geek out about the differences.
Point taken. Thanx.
"Scam"?? Do you know the definition of a scam??
Yea, it is claiming something that is in reality a falsehood, a lie. They are fairly good quality knives but the "magical thinking" allows for an actual SCAM to be perpetuated. 100 toothpicks of various colors & sparkles & each with its own silly story would likely sell the same way.
Man try to find better knife for their price. Yeah they are ugly and most of them are the same knife in different clothes as you said. But they are cheap knives that are practical to do a job.
Are you saying remora, like the fish, or is my hearing off? O.o
ha maybe, but unlike the pesky fish thisknife kicks but
It's usually supply and demand. People know about the companion HD more than the robust. Plus it could also be the colors and personal preference.
I hear ya, still i don't think that it justifies its 30% higher price tag. BTW when i said that camping gear is usually more expensive there are a lot of things that are worth the price b/c of the materials used but then again most of the time your paying extra b/c of the fact that its marketed for camping
Is there conditions for camping and wildlife in Israel or do you travel somewhere else ?
Maybe i sound ignorant but Israel is a really small country isnt it ?
What is the tang length
Hello , I wanted to know if you think this Mora model can truly be a great survival knife is a knife which can entrust my life ?
Depends what you want to do with it.Sharp and robust it is.I also recommend in the price of 50 box the 119 special.you will have it till you die.
You really don't need to pay the most expensive brands to get a good knife.There are many in the range of 70 dollars of same quality and capabilities.Like the mora karberg
robust is shorter and have different handle, that is some strange robust
I got my companion HD for 16.77
Which one has a thicker blade ?
They are both different in thickness and length, how are they identical?
Yours is a Craftline Pro, not a Robust.
It's just Mora, not RaMora... just a heads up
Hey man, question, can ordering a knife from amazon give you problems because its a knife?
Why would Amazon sell knives if they were going to give you trouble over buying them?? That doesn't make any sense.
Bama Woodsman You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. I said ordering a knife FROM Amazon , in other words importing it, and since delivery is usually made by other companies and it depends where they import to knife laws can make problems..
Do they both have the same type of tang?
Is it carbon steel ?
Robust yes companion u can get in bouth
Check 'BAHCO' knives. They are 100% MORA's, but the target audience are craftmen. Just bought BAHCO 2444 for 7.95 EURO.
The markings on your sharpener are the *half* angle. You need to double that to get the overall angle, which is now Scandi grinds are measured.
You can use that sharpener to add a micro-bevel to the Scandi grind, but you need to be very careful in how much you use it. Too much and you are defeating the point of a Scandi blade.
This is no Robust. Robust looks entirely Different.
This is the old style the new one changed
The blades are different:
morakniv.se/en/product/robust/ has a blade length of 91 mm
morakniv.se/en/product/companion-heavy-duty/ has a blade length of 104 mm
Sorry to say but I think you may have just got the standard companion and the companion heavy duty. The robust has a different handle style. The companion heavy duty (grey) has a thicker blade than the standard companion (green)
Nope, it is the old version of the Mora Robust, the actual ones have a different handle.
Ahh my mistake. I just wondered as it looks exactly like my companion heavy duty.
obviously, you have no idea what you are talking about ... there is no Mora Robust in this video LOL....
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Lol it is not Mora Robust 🤦
The blade thickness ISN'T the same.
With that shit sharpener you will destroy the blade
Don't baton with any knife. The only people who do that are victims of UA-cam incest. One "expert" who knows nothing about real woodcraft starts something on UA-cam, it spreads like a plague, and thousands start doing it. It's a truly foolish thing to do. Real woodsmen use a hatchet, or a well-designed tomahawk, and a saw to process wood. They never, ever use their knife. A hatchet, or a well-designed tomahawk, batons better than any knife, and doesn't put you knife, your best friend, at risk in the process. People actually believe that as long as the knife doesn't break, they're fine. That's nonsense. Any knife can break, but the real worry is the knife's edge. Chip that, or roll it too bad, when in a survival situation, and you make not make it out alive. Three hundred people disappear in the wilderness every year, and a number of others are found dead. My experience is that the great majority did not take the proper tools with them, thinking a knife could do it all. Be a real woodsman, and not a victim of UA-cam incest. You might live longer.
The technique has been around a lot longer than UA-cam. The joy of your comment is that you make the same "expert" claim about hatchets. The ability to baton is a fall back...another option, if you will, when in a survival situation rather than a normal weekend camp trip normal occurrence. I used to carry a US issue machete in my pack along with my camp axe and a spare folding knife. If the axe handle happened to break the machete would work for baton use if needed for survival and worked great in it's own for small brush processing and clearing a path. I was certainly not going to be able to do that with my spare locking folder, but that was (and remains in the pack) for normal knife tasks if my belt knife was lost or broken.
Simply put there are many ways to accomplish a task, and in a real survival situation you do what is necessary to survive or you don't survive. Offering advice on what works for you to others helps us all learn as long as we remember to keep it factual.
James Ritchie ehat if u dont have a hatchet huh? thats why you baton a knife, ever heard of bushcrafting? because in bushcrafting you baton, because it based on survival skills. if you only have a knife on you in the wilderness then you will have to baton a knife :)
James Ritchie how the heck do you baton a hatchet? batoning a knife is for finer work when a super small hatchet is not even necessary or practical
In a "survival Situation" I am batoning if I need to. Most here on You Tube aren't ever going to be in that situation anyways and if they were probably wouldn't survive anyway...myself included.
I'm not going claim I'M an expert, but I bought my first Mora (called Eriksson then) back in 1956 for a whopping $1.50 and learned Batoning that same year. I have used knives from the Mangroves of Brazil to the Arctic Circle ( and most places inbetween). I have batoned the crap out of my field knives and have never broken one. At 70 years old, I think I better quit doing that now that I know how wrong I've been all these years. Thanks for the advice.
JewCraft.
Saw this seconds after he mentioned hanukah