Yeah know what I love about my pioneer (700 2014) I can haul a 65 gallon tank full of sap go through mud thick enough to lose your boots in and never get stuck I can also pull a full load of hay (100 little square bale about 65 pound each on a wagon) up a gravel barn filling (about 20 degree slope) no problem and also go creek crossing never had a problem great dealer support so yeah y'all keep your RZRs and mavericks I 'll keep my bought and paided for honda pioneer that can do all I need it too and take me back home at the end of the day
That Honda is more of a work/farm UTV, and as capable as it is, there are UTVs out there, like the some of the Polaris offerings that make Jeeps look silly on the trails. With that, it comes down to the right tool for the job, and the offroading you want to do. There are a lot of trails where I ride that are too narrow for a full-sided vehicle like a Jeep.
I understand what you're saying, however the reason why I'm so glad they made this video. Is because buying a $40,000 or $60,000 Polaris that has no utility value is completely out of the budget for me. I need something with utility value that I can hunt with as well as work around the farm. And so far I have seen a lot of side-by-sides that don't do anything that I can't do with a small Toyota pickup
@@jonesperkins1382 The MSRP on the Honda Pioneer in this comparison is $16k....where do you get $40k? Sure those old Toyota 80 & 90's Taco's were small, light and capable but I don't think one could follow a pioneer around for long. Honestly for work around the farm I pick one of 3 different tractors, depending on the job. If you have a farm, you should look into it...you can pick up a fully functional 12v converted 1950's Ford Jubilee for $2500 - $3000, with PTO, full hydraulics, $1500 more a solid front loader, $200 for a rear scoop....get most jobs done w/o ever stepping off the tractor. Use that tractor to grade your roads so a car can get around and get some ladies up there.... ;). This is a way, way, way better option than "an old Toyota" for farm work. You'll actually get the work done in time to have some fun with that side by side.
A few key differences. The Jeep has heat and ac so it would be suited for more year round use. The pioneer on the other hand is more of a Rubicon edition jeep in that you can lock the differentials. You can also count on the jeep to last much longer when it comes to miles and range. Frankly I was very impressed with both of them.
Thing reminds me of that kubota that pulled my stuck truck up the mountain. Did dish network out in N. California. Was going up this steep washed out dirt road and got stuck with my chevy 2500hd 4x4. This lady comes down with this lil kubota tractor and pulls my big truck all the way up like nothing.
Thought about you guys today. The place i work in Texas had two 2019 Ram trucks show up. They had a 2019 Ram 2500 longhorn and a 2019 Ram texas edition 1500. They where shooting a three part commercial and he happened to be one of the stops. Not sure about the 1500 but the longhorn was one of one,both had Michigan plates put on them. The guy also said last week he hauled a 2020 Raptor and loaded it on a boat headed to China.
The benefits of a side by side are extreme off road capabilities and its not the vehicle you are driving home or your daily driver. The cons are it costs as much as a used jeep, and you have to trailer it. Also, some states frown upon the ATV class, and severely limit where you can use them.
Depends on the person and their intended use. Wranglers are excellent off road vehicles but not everyone wants nor needs a Wrangler especially for everyday use. A lot of people are more weekend warriors and those are the ones who will gravitate towards a side by side since they can tow them behind vehicles they have or would prefer. Also those same people probably only go out a handful of times a year so it really isn't a big deal to hook it up. People who off road as a major hobby and go out often would obviously prefer a Jeep because of the ability for on road use and comfort/convenience. Granted this isn't taking into performance desires. The pure sport side by sides are extremely fun to drive fast and jump high. Never going to be able to do that with a Jeep.
For a land owner that works the property the side by side is a better option especially as the acreage increases, somewhere around 70 though can be much less as well a dedicated off-roader is necessary and most will have them. A side by side's ability to cover rough ground more comfortably, more efficiently, with less impact on the ground, in much less time is an advantage that tends to result in "I should a bought one of these years ago" statements. Those bone jarring hits and bouncing your head into the ceiling in a stiff suspension of a 4x4 add up and cash in as wear on the body that can't be rolled back, and the time saved allows for more time to get to other things that put a smile on your face ;).
Very instructional! I've never driven one of those side by sides offf-road and am a Jeeper. I have a long list of mods that I won't bore anyone with, but my only concern with these SBS vehicles is how strong the axles, etc are, especially when people add bigger more aggressive tires. In comparison to the occasional Jeep off-roaders, what is the frequency of broken parts to both type vehicles. If people are breaking major components and I suspect they are because my SIL is a top salesman of Polaris vehicles, then this extra cost should be factored in. If they remain stock and people don't go crazy, then I am sure they are built adequately.
I think that Honda with larger tires would make it even better for trails. Very versatile SXS with the flip out seats in bed. I see a lot of these out on the trails and they perform quite well. You also get Honda reliability. I don't see Pioneer replacing a Jeep, but it's a great platform to off-road on. It's like comparing apples to oranges SXS vs Jeep. Both are excellent. It really depending on what your using for and if you want to trailer your SXS to trails vs drive from street to trail in a Jeep. Not everyone want to abuse their daily driver off-road, so trailering a SXS to trails to play on makes sense. If you break the sxs on trails, you can still tow it home on your trailer and repair it. If you break your Jeep on trails you must limp home the entire way or call an off-road tow service. LOL
Roman Mica Love that lil' thang (definitely not what she said). Some questions I've always wondered about CliffHanger: 1). Do you return the same way, or is there another road down? 2). What is the traffic level there? I'd think there'd be vehicles on it all the time. You must be on the trail for hours doing each video, so how are other vehicles accommodated? THANK YOU for all the good content.
+Anthony C Cliffhanger is a one way so we come down the same way we went up. We've never seen anyone else on the trail except once a crazy runner ran up it.
Get a new base 3 passenger pioneer 1000 for 11.5k in the south alabama area, if you shop around. For whatever reason they aren't selling too well. A lot of 2016s still in stock . Which it won't have eps, back seats, or selective shifting, but it will have the same power . locking diffs and 27" tires. Also be 150lbs lighter (faster).
Pointhunter75 Really? I sure wish florida would do that. They allow unpaved county roads under 35mph, but no crossing paved ones. Kind of silly really You can build a sand rail and get it titled for any hwy. You can buy a polaris slingshot 3 wheeler and get it tagged . You can buy a few chinese sxs with dot tires and a 25mph removable limiter that are legal on paved highways under 35 (lsv loophole for spiffed up golf carts). Driving a tractor to town , why not? But if you get caught on a sxs on a paved road, it is a ticket.
I have a Wrangler and I always thought the SXS machines were a waste of money. If your Jeep is your only vehicle then, yes it is the way to go. However, if you can have a toy then the SXS is far superior. You can go all day, all out over rough terrain in the SXS will not kill your back. Those things can absorb amazing bumps because of the amount of suspension travel.
Here in Texas, people who own land buy UTVs for working and playing on their property, deer leases, and for the few ORV parks. They make much more sense than a larger Jeep or pickup when you don't need anything to be street legal. In a state like Colorado with miles of public off-road trails, a Jeep seems more sensible for being able to drive to your destination. I own 3 Honda motorcycles, but I hace a few complaints about the Pioneer. Mainly, that Dual Clutch Transmission is very jerky, almost unusable in low range. I have the DCT version of the Africa Twin and love it in that application. Also, a big turn off for many people on the Pioneer 1000-5 or 700-4 is that you have to choose between carrying passengers or cargo. The Pioneer is very maneuverable because its compact size, but that design limits what you can use it for. Kawasaki's Pro FXT gives you the best of both worlds and is still very maneuverable. Rigs like tge Polaris Ranger and Can-Am Defender crew are too big. Once you throw on a lift and 31" tires, even less maneuverable.
I'm shocked to see a 4x4 without locking diffs make it up that steep climb. I'm confused about what one actually needs versus what is preferable to have. After all, you did use Cliffhanger to demonstrate the superior capabilities of the Power Wagon and Raptor. Where can the Power Wagon go that a Wrangler Sport can't follow? Thanks for the consistently professional, entertaining, and informative videos.
I bought my first jeep 4days ago and yes i took it offroading within 200 miles. Its a new willys and i ran into to guys running these side by sides and i was with them the entire way. Mind you that i havent offroaded in 15 years and i was right there with those guys in my wrangler. Lol i did end up knocking my rear bumper loose on one side but hey its a jeep i was planning on changing the bumpers anyway.
+Lucas Nichols For the love of God. We're crawling up a 20 degree mountain on a virtual landslide of loose and sharp boulders and you want us to not call it rock climbing. What do we have to do to go rock crawling winch up the North Face of Everest?
I like the new wrangler guys. You went and bought the best daily drivable wrangler: 2 dr sport with manual gearbox, then put the rubicon wheels and tires to add a sprinkle more of capability. I suggest you do a 0-60mph test at sea level or something see what it gets with the lift and without!
I’ve had both only still have a side by side. I thought the Jeep was the most useless vehicle I’ve ever had. Had to use a carrier for a deer, got bad mileage, even after a regear not a lot of power. The side by side holds a deer, will haul almost as much as my Jeep, goes very well. I have a pioneer 700, Honda 300 Atv, a 96 bronco and a newer super crew 150. Also I’ve had about 7 jeeps, cj7 with 35’s and a 304, 2 cj 5s with the straight 6, 2 yjs a 4cyl and a 6 both had 33s, 2 tjs a 4cyl with 33s lockers and 4.88s, a nice 4.0 with 35s 4.88s and lockers, and a Cherokee. Want he best of both worlds a samurai, btw I can drive my side by side on 2 lane roads legally where I live.
Love them both but if you want to drive on road to get there and back I would choose the Jeep. Those super tight trails would let that Honda shine here in the east coast woods .
MY question is not whats better off road but whats going to be better when things get broken. I would choose one of the more capable side by sides from Can Am or Polaris with a little bit of lift and a bigger tire. I use to wheel a tacoma and it can get really expensive when things get broken and the downside of having only one truck is you have to get to work the next day. So what would ultimately is going to be the more affordable option as an off roader if you already own a full size truck that can tow. Side by side with some mods or a jeep?
Heres the thing. I've owned jeeps and I'm the current owner of a polaris rzr xp 1000. Now I'll give the jeep all the creature comforts of a car but heres the thing. We are talking whats better offroad and I gotta say the side by sides especially with their far superior stock suspensions handle the bumpy stuff so much better. My Jeeps were highly upgraded suspension wise and they beat me up severely when riding on similar trails. I go on the same rocky trails today in my RZR and it just doesn't beat me up like the jeep did so for my money the RZR is far better and here in Az I get to drive mine on the road and on the trails.
I think the comparison is a little off. Not in this video, but a Jeep will always be better than a UTV. The Jeep will always be more comfortable, have AC, more utilitarian, and just as capable in stock/nearly stock form as shown here. Further, consider you can get a Jeep WJ with big lift and lockers for under $10k that would go places a UTV could only dream.
TOO BAD comfort was not covered. Which vehicle offered the better ride soaking up the trail littered with loose rocks. I actually enjoyed seeing both of these units in action. Not mentioned: air conditioning in the wrangler would be my favored flavor during heat waves here in our Mojave Desert. Really fun guy!
On my Manitoba ranch I prefer my Land Cruiser or Tacoma until the going gets rough, then I use my CanAm Side by Side. When it’s real rough that’s when I have to use my Honda ATV.
You could buy a Base model Honda Ridgeline, cheap trailer, and a Honda pioneer for the same price as a loaded wrangler or Tacoma, then you have the advantage of if you accidentally thrash your pioneer you just tow it to the trailer and you can drive home. If you thrash your wrangler or Tacoma tho? A lot harder to go home.
I would like to see the rubicon and a fj trd match up. Also would like to see the side by side go through boulders or deep mud. This is just a question I noticed on a lot of your videos you have a lot of wheel spin and momentum is that a technique or just how the newer vehicles have to be driven. I have been driving a cj3b for a long time and it while just roll up a hill at a slow walking speed
Where the hell has THIS video been hiding!? Seriously! I've been debating these 2 for the last year! Nice timing I guess, since I'm getting ready to make a final decision, 😅😅
Would love to see the Wrangler verse the new RZR XP Turbo S with 32in tires stock like the jeep has. I did see your review of the new RZR XP Turbo S but would like to see a side-by-side comparison with the Jeep! Keep up the great work love the channel!👊😀👍👍
No, solid axles flex much more. I'm not going to pretend to know the science behind it, but watch all of these guys videos, you'll notice the Wranglers tires never getting airborne through the deep ruts, whereas pretty much every other vehicle they test have tires lifting up all the time. Solid axles are also more durable. You'll never see IFS vehicles on a rock crawling trail (this video is trail riding, not rock crawling).
I'm at a point where I'm going to buy another side-by-side. I have owned and driven side-by-sides for years. They are nice, but little things break on them that don't normally break in a traditional Jeep or truck, such as door locks and roll-up windows. Essentially, all the gadgets are cheaper on a side-by-side, and with a stripped-down, entry-level Jeep being the same price-in some cases, cheaper than the side-by-side-it's a tough decision.
Depends on the intended use, for pure off reading for fun, the Jeep. But if you need a machine that will take you anywhere on your property, the Pioneer due to its ability to actually "fit" more places truly off road.
Agreed. I own a 2005 Wrangler Unlimited and its a great daily driver, but for working around the yard I'd much rather have my little John Deere 318 Lawn Tractor or a side by side.
Milquetoast I agree, I love my Jeep Wrangler, but if I lived on a farm or large property, I'd want something with more utility for the job, like a little Side by Side. Still, for most people the Wrangler is going to be the better option
I'd take a used wrangler 2 door any day. AC, radio and when I'm done off reading, I can drive it home without having to tow it back home like a utv. Plus the cost is cheaper, parts are easy to find and I have a spare tire in case I puncture my tire.
I'm guessing its cheaper to brake the side-by-side. Also side-by-sides don't have to follow the gigantic list of regulations that a road legal wrangler has to follow, thats pretty huge when building strictly for performance.
Get a Rubicon and don't look back. Best vehicle I've ever owned. I can Daily drive it and go 500 miles one way and spend a week in Moab off-roading and drive it home. lots of mods. And it's super dependable. It helps to have a good shop or be able to do the mods yourself so you know they are done right . It's only fun to go fast off-road sometimes. you don't get to see any scenery when you're flying through. I prefer my Jeep
This is actually a pretty real world review for some. I can imagine some might compare a side by side to a used 2 door Wrangler for strictly offroad fun.
I don't offroad, and if I did it wouldn't be much. Also I am not a big fan of wranglers, but I'd take than any day over the side x side. A/C, radio, more comfortable, and I can use it everyday.. oh the other hand.. the sxs is probably a hell of a lot more fun, and durable off road.
Shoot, you could get a kei Japanese truck with a/c and heat for less than that side by side. Also most states will let you license them as farm vehicles as long as you don't drive on roads higher than 55 mph.
You can buy used side by sides for a few grand. Probably 6 grand would be a good one. Or you could get 2 used quad bikes which can do the majority of what a side by side can do.
They are using the Diet Coke of sxs in this test. It is a util sxs. My can am Maverick or my buddies rzr turbo has, can, and will leave any lifted Jeep with 35’s in the dust anywhere and anytime every time. Don’t take my word for it. Go drive any pure sport sxs. Don’t wanna spend the $? I get that. Simply go to any sxs park in the Midwest and ask someone unloading one off a trailer for a ride. I have done this for a few Jeep owner doubters gladly. They usually say “I had no idea”. Actually happens quite often as I am a mechanic at a Jeep dealership in Iowa and park my sxs outside since in Iowa they are street legal in most counties and I drive it to work. Being retired army mechanic and VERY familiar with jeeps and Hmmwv’s as I do and have owned both and a sxs I can tell you there is no comparison.
It looked from here that the Wrangler struggled while the Pioneer scampered over the rocky,uphill environment. The Wrangler started to overspend just to get over a hurdle. I vote the Pioneer as better.
Great video I got a quick question is there any way that may be using some sort of metal pulley to a tire to the top rail in the middle of the Honda and then use the winch to dump out of the bed would that work
The Wrangler driver wants to spend 90-100% of their time running around town, looking like an off road warrior. You can't really do that with the UTV unless you live in a really small town. Major advantage: Wrangler!
Jeeps only clog up the trails in TN where I ride. RZRs can cover 10 times as many trail miles there in a day. A trail that jeep groups take an entire day on is only one small part of a offroad day for our RZRs. Yes I have had built jeeps before but a RZR Turbo is in a whole different dimension.
Those smaller tires dig up those trails and eventually make them impassable even for SXS's. Trails here in Utah that used to be good entry level trails are now crazy from SXS use because "oh, hit an obstacle, power through!!!"
Yes, your rzr definitely hauls ass compared to a truck or suv, but at the end the day, its limited by its diffs, transfer case, and small tires. I drive trails all the time that sxs just cant do, because they dont have the traction or the tires to get over the rocks. Its physics.
I'll pay the extra ~$12K for the Wrangler for how much more more it gives me, namely street legal anywhere, more comfortable for passengers (esp. on Unlimited), and actually able to pull my other buddies out when they get stuck in their Jeeps, FJ's, trucks, etc. One you use on the weekends, one you can use every day. Having said that, OBVIOUSLY they both have their pros and cons, and generally I'd expect a stock ATV (that's right, it's an ATV with a cab, don't need to make up more names lol) -- which is fully purpose-built for off-road usage -- to be better than any stock on/off-road automotive vehicle, even a Wrangie with knobby tires.
If your going to have a side by side on the show, maybe y'all should start demoing the other brands too. Be something interesting to add to the business.
Totally agree..but the side by side does things an atv can't. You can't put 3 kids on an atv and still have fun. You can't load firewood in the back of an atv and still have a passenger. I have a 2011 Grizzly 700 and I love it. However, if I wanted to camp out in the Rockies, I'd get a side by side and the tent and all extras would go right behind me. I think that would be more fun. Its like a little jeep.
Apple Aya -my family of 5 begs to differ. We roll 5 deep in the pioneer and I have it haul my gravel rascal on my land. The Honda will do everything-has done Hells Revenge in Moab, tons of trails in Colorado... never a single maintenance issue. Now I have a roof, windshield and doors on it, so it’s basically a Jeep that’s not street legal.
@@davec.3198 You can get little trailers for ATVs. They won't hold a lot and it will reduce the capabilities but you can get your camping gear with you on reasonable trails.
Never go extreme off roading in the veh you have to drive home
Great video you guys! Tommy is getting better with each video; this felt more relaxed and fun.
Awesome test. I like how you guys think outside the box and give us unique shootouts such as this. Keep up the good work!
Side by sides are awesome, amazing what they'll go through.
Side by sides, for when you hit your golf ball way,WAY out of bounds.
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Yeah know what I love about my pioneer (700 2014) I can haul a 65 gallon tank full of sap go through mud thick enough to lose your boots in and never get stuck I can also pull a full load of hay (100 little square bale about 65 pound each on a wagon) up a gravel barn filling (about 20 degree slope) no problem and also go creek crossing never had a problem great dealer support so yeah y'all keep your RZRs and mavericks I 'll keep my bought and paided for honda pioneer that can do all I need it too and take me back home at the end of the day
That Honda is more of a work/farm UTV, and as capable as it is, there are UTVs out there, like the some of the Polaris offerings that make Jeeps look silly on the trails. With that, it comes down to the right tool for the job, and the offroading you want to do. There are a lot of trails where I ride that are too narrow for a full-sided vehicle like a Jeep.
I understand what you're saying, however the reason why I'm so glad they made this video. Is because buying a $40,000 or $60,000 Polaris that has no utility value is completely out of the budget for me. I need something with utility value that I can hunt with as well as work around the farm. And so far I have seen a lot of side-by-sides that don't do anything that I can't do with a small Toyota pickup
@@jonesperkins1382 Holy shit what sxs are you buying that cost 40-60k? Must be cboys 2jz rzr or some shit.
@@jonesperkins1382 The MSRP on the Honda Pioneer in this comparison is $16k....where do you get $40k? Sure those old Toyota 80 & 90's Taco's were small, light and capable but I don't think one could follow a pioneer around for long. Honestly for work around the farm I pick one of 3 different tractors, depending on the job. If you have a farm, you should look into it...you can pick up a fully functional 12v converted 1950's Ford Jubilee for $2500 - $3000, with PTO, full hydraulics, $1500 more a solid front loader, $200 for a rear scoop....get most jobs done w/o ever stepping off the tractor. Use that tractor to grade your roads so a car can get around and get some ladies up there.... ;). This is a way, way, way better option than "an old Toyota" for farm work. You'll actually get the work done in time to have some fun with that side by side.
Great video. I went back and watched the new Raptor go up Dare and was amazed how much easier it looked going up than these two.
This is one of the most helpful videos I've seen on side-by-sides
Oh yeahhhh ! I want more reviews with atv and side by side !!! :D
Also street legal in certain counties in Michigan as long as you have both ORV stickers.
We used to run Polaris rangers on our cattle ranch. But about a year ago we bought a 2012 wrangler and that has been the best help
Get a Jeep and an ATV. You can trailer the ATV with the Jeep, go anywhere. Side by sides, not so much.
Great video guys. I saw the little Pioneer in the Raptor video with Tommy chasing Blue Beard and I am glad to see a full comparison to the Wrangler.
A few key differences. The Jeep has heat and ac so it would be suited for more year round use. The pioneer on the other hand is more of
a Rubicon edition jeep in that you can lock the differentials. You can also count on the jeep to last much longer when it comes to miles
and range. Frankly I was very impressed with both of them.
Thing reminds me of that kubota that pulled my stuck truck up the mountain. Did dish network out in N. California. Was going up this steep washed out dirt road and got stuck with my chevy 2500hd 4x4. This lady comes down with this lil kubota tractor and pulls my big truck all the way up like nothing.
Thought about you guys today. The place i work in Texas had two 2019 Ram trucks show up. They had a 2019 Ram 2500 longhorn and a 2019 Ram texas edition 1500. They where shooting a three part commercial and he happened to be one of the stops. Not sure about the 1500 but the longhorn was one of one,both had Michigan plates put on them. The guy also said last week he hauled a 2020 Raptor and loaded it on a boat headed to China.
That’s right my 07 rhino 660R is completely street legal here in good ole AZ, I drive my rhino to work quite often.
Awesome video! I've always been interested in those side by sides. I didn't realize they were that fast
Philip Alani pioneers are slow ones. if you want fast look up a Maverick x3
Loved the video. But been nice to have found a trail(s) that one couldn’t go up and the other could.
Their version of rock crawling is the trails I use to get to the rocks at rausch creek.
The benefits of a side by side are extreme off road capabilities and its not the vehicle you are driving home or your daily driver. The cons are it costs as much as a used jeep, and you have to trailer it. Also, some states frown upon the ATV class, and severely limit where you can use them.
Depends on the person and their intended use. Wranglers are excellent off road vehicles but not everyone wants nor needs a Wrangler especially for everyday use. A lot of people are more weekend warriors and those are the ones who will gravitate towards a side by side since they can tow them behind vehicles they have or would prefer. Also those same people probably only go out a handful of times a year so it really isn't a big deal to hook it up. People who off road as a major hobby and go out often would obviously prefer a Jeep because of the ability for on road use and comfort/convenience.
Granted this isn't taking into performance desires. The pure sport side by sides are extremely fun to drive fast and jump high. Never going to be able to do that with a Jeep.
I've had both and the SXS's are more fun due to their power to weight ratio/agility/capabilities.
For a land owner that works the property the side by side is a better option especially as the acreage increases, somewhere around 70 though can be much less as well a dedicated off-roader is necessary and most will have them. A side by side's ability to cover rough ground more comfortably, more efficiently, with less impact on the ground, in much less time is an advantage that tends to result in "I should a bought one of these years ago" statements. Those bone jarring hits and bouncing your head into the ceiling in a stiff suspension of a 4x4 add up and cash in as wear on the body that can't be rolled back, and the time saved allows for more time to get to other things that put a smile on your face ;).
Very instructional! I've never driven one of those side by sides offf-road and am a Jeeper. I have a long list of mods that I won't bore anyone with, but my only concern with these SBS vehicles is how strong the axles, etc are, especially when people add bigger more aggressive tires. In comparison to the occasional Jeep off-roaders, what is the frequency of broken parts to both type vehicles. If people are breaking major components and I suspect they are because my SIL is a top salesman of Polaris vehicles, then this extra cost should be factored in. If they remain stock and people don't go crazy, then I am sure they are built adequately.
I think that Honda with larger tires would make it even better for trails. Very versatile SXS with the flip out seats in bed. I see a lot of these out on the trails and they perform quite well. You also get Honda reliability. I don't see Pioneer replacing a Jeep, but it's a great platform to off-road on. It's like comparing apples to oranges SXS vs Jeep. Both are excellent. It really depending on what your using for and if you want to trailer your SXS to trails vs drive from street to trail in a Jeep. Not everyone want to abuse their daily driver off-road, so trailering a SXS to trails to play on makes sense. If you break the sxs on trails, you can still tow it home on your trailer and repair it. If you break your Jeep on trails you must limp home the entire way or call an off-road tow service. LOL
Roman Mica Love that lil' thang (definitely not what she said). Some questions I've always wondered about CliffHanger: 1). Do you return the same way, or is there another road down? 2). What is the traffic level there? I'd think there'd be vehicles on it all the time. You must be on the trail for hours doing each video, so how are other vehicles accommodated? THANK YOU for all the good content.
+Anthony C Cliffhanger is a one way so we come down the same way we went up. We've never seen anyone else on the trail except once a crazy runner ran up it.
Definitely one of your better videos guys, great job
Love that Honda. Very expensive though. I could see using that around town if it was legal
Chris Dooley it is legal in some places
Legal in Moab if you have it registered and have turn signals!
Get a new base 3 passenger pioneer 1000 for 11.5k in the south alabama area, if you shop around. For whatever reason they aren't selling too well. A lot of 2016s still in stock . Which it won't have eps, back seats, or selective shifting, but it will have the same power . locking diffs and 27" tires. Also be 150lbs lighter (faster).
Pointhunter75 Really? I sure wish florida would do that. They allow unpaved county roads under 35mph, but no crossing paved ones. Kind of silly really You can build a sand rail and get it titled for any hwy. You can buy a polaris slingshot 3 wheeler and get it tagged . You can buy a few chinese sxs with dot tires and a 25mph removable limiter that are legal on paved highways under 35 (lsv loophole for spiffed up golf carts). Driving a tractor to town , why not? But if you get caught on a sxs on a paved road, it is a ticket.
You can get Pioneers in Michigan for under 13 grand bro!
Please give the fr and rear track, and the wheelbase. Will help a lot. Good to see, what these vehicles can do.
I have a Wrangler and I always thought the SXS machines were a waste of money. If your Jeep is your only vehicle then, yes it is the way to go. However, if you can have a toy then the SXS is far superior. You can go all day, all out over rough terrain in the SXS will not kill your back. Those things can absorb amazing bumps because of the amount of suspension travel.
Quite a few Michigan counties, as well, allow them on roads (aside from interstates). Just need lights and signals!
Why does the image quality of your UA-cam videos of 5 yrs ago appear to be better than your videos of 2022? Excellent video, by the way.
Here in Texas, people who own land buy UTVs for working and playing on their property, deer leases, and for the few ORV parks. They make much more sense than a larger Jeep or pickup when you don't need anything to be street legal. In a state like Colorado with miles of public off-road trails, a Jeep seems more sensible for being able to drive to your destination.
I own 3 Honda motorcycles, but I hace a few complaints about the Pioneer. Mainly, that Dual Clutch Transmission is very jerky, almost unusable in low range. I have the DCT version of the Africa Twin and love it in that application. Also, a big turn off for many people on the Pioneer 1000-5 or 700-4 is that you have to choose between carrying passengers or cargo. The Pioneer is very maneuverable because its compact size, but that design limits what you can use it for. Kawasaki's Pro FXT gives you the best of both worlds and is still very maneuverable. Rigs like tge Polaris Ranger and Can-Am Defender crew are too big. Once you throw on a lift and 31" tires, even less maneuverable.
I'm shocked to see a 4x4 without locking diffs make it up that steep climb. I'm confused about what one actually needs versus what is preferable to have. After all, you did use Cliffhanger to demonstrate the superior capabilities of the Power Wagon and Raptor. Where can the Power Wagon go that a Wrangler Sport can't follow? Thanks for the consistently professional, entertaining, and informative videos.
The Wrangler that Tommy drove had a limited slip... kind of like the chevy g80 lockers.
I bought my first jeep 4days ago and yes i took it offroading within 200 miles. Its a new willys and i ran into to guys running these side by sides and i was with them the entire way. Mind you that i havent offroaded in 15 years and i was right there with those guys in my wrangler. Lol i did end up knocking my rear bumper loose on one side but hey its a jeep i was planning on changing the bumpers anyway.
Please stop using the term rock crawling. This is a hill with loose rocks. Not rock crawling.
+Lucas Nichols For the love of God. We're crawling up a 20 degree mountain on a virtual landslide of loose and sharp boulders and you want us to not call it rock climbing. What do we have to do to go rock crawling winch up the North Face of Everest?
No doubt, it's steep and dangerous..... Just type rock crawling into UA-cam and watch a few vids. Lol.
my stock 69 k5 on those same tires made it through the dusy ershim trail here in california.
Most Jeep can do what they did in 2 wheel drive!
Yeah I second that. Lets see some flexing on a real rock.
I like the new wrangler guys. You went and bought the best daily drivable wrangler: 2 dr sport with manual gearbox, then put the rubicon wheels and tires to add a sprinkle more of capability. I suggest you do a 0-60mph test at sea level or something see what it gets with the lift and without!
I've got a Polaris RZR 1000 with a few spices on it. It's a beast.
I’m very impressed with how easily the Jeep made it up the trail. The drivers abilities had a lot to do with that.
don't get me wrong, side by sides are a BLAST!!! but a jeep is definitely more useful.
At least the jeep is street legal you don't need 40k pick up and a trailer to breing to the trails
I’ve had both only still have a side by side. I thought the Jeep was the most useless vehicle I’ve ever had. Had to use a carrier for a deer, got bad mileage, even after a regear not a lot of power. The side by side holds a deer, will haul almost as much as my Jeep, goes very well. I have a pioneer 700, Honda 300 Atv, a 96 bronco and a newer super crew 150. Also I’ve had about 7 jeeps, cj7 with 35’s and a 304, 2 cj 5s with the straight 6, 2 yjs a 4cyl and a 6 both had 33s, 2 tjs a 4cyl with 33s lockers and 4.88s, a nice 4.0 with 35s 4.88s and lockers, and a Cherokee. Want he best of both worlds a samurai, btw I can drive my side by side on 2 lane roads legally where I live.
Jeep catches on fire and leave you stranded I rather go for the pioneer
boat man hey idiot sxs arebstreet legal if u dont live in a democrat state u idiot
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Love them both but if you want to drive on road to get there and back I would choose the Jeep. Those super tight trails would let that Honda shine here in the east coast woods .
MY question is not whats better off road but whats going to be better when things get broken. I would choose one of the more capable side by sides from Can Am or Polaris with a little bit of lift and a bigger tire. I use to wheel a tacoma and it can get really expensive when things get broken and the downside of having only one truck is you have to get to work the next day. So what would ultimately is going to be the more affordable option as an off roader if you already own a full size truck that can tow. Side by side with some mods or a jeep?
Nice video. Can tell I am getting old cause bouncing back in forth on those rocky trails doesn't even look like fun.
Heres the thing. I've owned jeeps and I'm the current owner of a polaris rzr xp 1000. Now I'll give the jeep all the creature comforts of a car but heres the thing. We are talking whats better offroad and I gotta say the side by sides especially with their far superior stock suspensions handle the bumpy stuff so much better. My Jeeps were highly upgraded suspension wise and they beat me up severely when riding on similar trails. I go on the same rocky trails today in my RZR and it just doesn't beat me up like the jeep did so for my money the RZR is far better and here in Az I get to drive mine on the road and on the trails.
2020 1000-5 EPS Deluxe for 14,550 in Missouri, with roof and NICE windshield it was 15,700 out the door!!!!!!
I think the comparison is a little off. Not in this video, but a Jeep will always be better than a UTV. The Jeep will always be more comfortable, have AC, more utilitarian, and just as capable in stock/nearly stock form as shown here. Further, consider you can get a Jeep WJ with big lift and lockers for under $10k that would go places a UTV could only dream.
TOO BAD comfort was not covered. Which vehicle offered the better ride soaking up the trail littered with loose rocks. I actually enjoyed seeing both of these units in action.
Not mentioned: air conditioning in the wrangler would be my favored flavor during heat waves here in our Mojave Desert.
Really fun guy!
On my Manitoba ranch I prefer my Land Cruiser or Tacoma until the going gets rough, then I use my CanAm Side by Side. When it’s real rough that’s when I have to use my Honda ATV.
Does your Jeep have the tracloc limited slip in the rear? or front and rear?
wrangler locking diffs front and back. its a Rubicon
No it's a Sport not a Rubicon, he said it has a limited slip in the rear, I was wondering if he put one on in the front.
Even being focused on off road, these ride really well on-road.
Wheres Charlotte and her chemistry lectures?
I want to see her more!
You guys just want to look at her cans
she is pretty, what's the problem!?
Skodz Gaming you got it. These other guys probably never had a teacher who you'd pay extra attention to coz they're pretty
She's not even pretty. All the makeup covering her zits. Her node is too big and awkward. And she's too fat for my liking
You could buy a Base model Honda Ridgeline, cheap trailer, and a Honda pioneer for the same price as a loaded wrangler or Tacoma, then you have the advantage of if you accidentally thrash your pioneer you just tow it to the trailer and you can drive home. If you thrash your wrangler or Tacoma tho? A lot harder to go home.
Since you picked the wrangler... should have picked the Rubicon 2dr vs the rzr xp and/or wildcat X...
I would like to see the rubicon and a fj trd match up. Also would like to see the side by side go through boulders or deep mud. This is just a question I noticed on a lot of your videos you have a lot of wheel spin and momentum is that a technique or just how the newer vehicles have to be driven. I have been driving a cj3b for a long time and it while just roll up a hill at a slow walking speed
Where the hell has THIS video been hiding!?
Seriously!
I've been debating these 2 for the last year!
Nice timing I guess, since I'm getting ready to make a final decision, 😅😅
Jeep videos always good mate
You guys should try the Chevrolet silverado with the Alaskan snow plow package... Another idea is how a crew cab long bed off roads!!
Would love to see the Wrangler verse the new RZR XP Turbo S with 32in tires stock like the jeep has. I did see your review of the new RZR XP Turbo S but would like to see a side-by-side comparison with the Jeep! Keep up the great work love the channel!👊😀👍👍
One-wheel peel at 7:02 - is the trac-lock not working?
It’s a sport prob not equipped with trac lock
Just specifically talking about suspension, wouldn't independent suspension potentially offer better wheel travel and tire contact than a solid axle?
No, solid axles flex much more. I'm not going to pretend to know the science behind it, but watch all of these guys videos, you'll notice the Wranglers tires never getting airborne through the deep ruts, whereas pretty much every other vehicle they test have tires lifting up all the time. Solid axles are also more durable. You'll never see IFS vehicles on a rock crawling trail (this video is trail riding, not rock crawling).
No
I'd rather a quad than a side-by-side tbh.
I'm at a point where I'm going to buy another side-by-side. I have owned and driven side-by-sides for years. They are nice, but little things break on them that don't normally break in a traditional Jeep or truck, such as door locks and roll-up windows. Essentially, all the gadgets are cheaper on a side-by-side, and with a stripped-down, entry-level Jeep being the same price-in some cases, cheaper than the side-by-side-it's a tough decision.
Depends on the intended use, for pure off reading for fun, the Jeep. But if you need a machine that will take you anywhere on your property, the Pioneer due to its ability to actually "fit" more places truly off road.
Agreed. I own a 2005 Wrangler Unlimited and its a great daily driver, but for working around the yard I'd much rather have my little John Deere 318 Lawn Tractor or a side by side.
Milquetoast I agree, I love my Jeep Wrangler, but if I lived on a farm or large property, I'd want something with more utility for the job, like a little Side by Side. Still, for most people the Wrangler is going to be the better option
how much noise is the honda producing compared to the wrangler? he is almost screaming at the camera while driving
I'd take a used wrangler 2 door any day. AC, radio and when I'm done off reading, I can drive it home without having to tow it back home like a utv. Plus the cost is cheaper, parts are easy to find and I have a spare tire in case I puncture my tire.
Ok video, but how do both of them compare, when there is mud or water? I would love to see how they both do!!! Thanks
I'm guessing its cheaper to brake the side-by-side. Also side-by-sides don't have to follow the gigantic list of regulations that a road legal wrangler has to follow, thats pretty huge when building strictly for performance.
Get a Rubicon and don't look back. Best vehicle I've ever owned. I can Daily drive it and go 500 miles one way and spend a week in Moab off-roading and drive it home. lots of mods. And it's super dependable. It helps to have a good shop or be able to do the mods yourself so you know they are done right . It's only fun to go fast off-road sometimes. you don't get to see any scenery when you're flying through. I prefer my Jeep
What about range for both off road. Which one will go further?
Arizona, Utah and Wyoming get on our level.
As always another awesome video thank you for sharing your awesome video
sxs are so expensive you can bout buy a damn jeep for the price and it’s street legal
Jackson McClelland a brand new Jeep is $40000
I live in Arizona costs to make it street legal and plate and insurance is about a grand a year but I drive more than my truck.
Hey guys, with those tires and gear on the wrangler, what's the top speed you can safely achieve on highway?
This is actually a pretty real world review for some. I can imagine some might compare a side by side to a used 2 door Wrangler for strictly offroad fun.
Just need to use an actual rock crawling trail, not a road with rocks...
@@dre04mach exactly
Even "real" reviews are not real anymore ....w o the word soup you wouldn't watch ....makes you wonder who is being fooled ....
I don't offroad, and if I did it wouldn't be much. Also I am not a big fan of wranglers, but I'd take than any day over the side x side. A/C, radio, more comfortable, and I can use it everyday.. oh the other hand.. the sxs is probably a hell of a lot more fun, and durable off road.
I rather spend 21,000 dollars on a used jeep with a lift and 35in tires than on a side by side
Shoot, you could get a kei Japanese truck with a/c and heat for less than that side by side. Also most states will let you license them as farm vehicles as long as you don't drive on roads higher than 55 mph.
You can buy used side by sides for a few grand. Probably 6 grand would be a good one. Or you could get 2 used quad bikes which can do the majority of what a side by side can do.
They are using the Diet Coke of sxs in this test. It is a util sxs. My can am Maverick or my buddies rzr turbo has, can, and will leave any lifted Jeep with 35’s in the dust anywhere and anytime every time. Don’t take my word for it. Go drive any pure sport sxs. Don’t wanna spend the $? I get that. Simply go to any sxs park in the Midwest and ask someone unloading one off a trailer for a ride. I have done this for a few Jeep owner doubters gladly. They usually say “I had no idea”. Actually happens quite often as I am a mechanic at a Jeep dealership in Iowa and park my sxs outside since in Iowa they are street legal in most counties and I drive it to work. Being retired army mechanic and VERY familiar with jeeps and Hmmwv’s as I do and have owned both and a sxs I can tell you there is no comparison.
It looked from here that the Wrangler struggled while the Pioneer scampered over the rocky,uphill environment. The Wrangler started to overspend just to get over a hurdle. I vote the Pioneer as better.
was that a 2017 raptor in the background 8:40
That's probably from the Old vs New Raptor video. They probably shot both at the same time.
I'll keep my 87' Isuzu Trooper. Can do those trails just fine, plus you can sleep two in the back and all for a tiny fraction of the price of either.
You guys should do more videos on side by sides
When are you going to do the new Chevy Colorado ZR2 4X4 on Cliffhanger 2.0????? We want to seeeeeeeeee!!
Great video I got a quick question is there any way that may be using some sort of metal pulley to a tire to the top rail in the middle of the Honda and then use the winch to dump out of the bed would that work
It's snowing right now at my mountain house in Colorado and I would want to be in the Jeep.
You can see how steep the upper portion is when they are standing there talking about the Razor Bend rock.
The Wrangler driver wants to spend 90-100% of their time running around town, looking like an off road warrior. You can't really do that with the UTV unless you live in a really small town. Major advantage: Wrangler!
Yall should do more side by side videos!
Cool... A souped up golf cart! Great Grams would love one of those!
Little JW salty SxSs make his Jeep or Brodozer look weak off road. 😁😁😁
Should have gotten a Yamaha Wolverine R-Spec and had and extra $10k in your pocket
Thats the 4 seater honda, they are both really comparible in price if you compare 2 seater models and 4 seater models.
Even that essentially stock non-rubicon Wrangler made that look easy haha.
Cliffhanger 2.0 seems to be a lot more fun than Gold Mine Hill :D
Very interesting comparison! Fun!!
Jeeps only clog up the trails in TN where I ride. RZRs can cover 10 times as many trail miles there in a day. A trail that jeep groups take an entire day on is only one small part of a offroad day for our RZRs. Yes I have had built jeeps before but a RZR Turbo is in a whole different dimension.
Those smaller tires dig up those trails and eventually make them impassable even for SXS's. Trails here in Utah that used to be good entry level trails are now crazy from SXS use because "oh, hit an obstacle, power through!!!"
Yes, your rzr definitely hauls ass compared to a truck or suv, but at the end the day, its limited by its diffs, transfer case, and small tires. I drive trails all the time that sxs just cant do, because they dont have the traction or the tires to get over the rocks. Its physics.
That confirms what I always thought.
Add an Oreion Apex in there. 1000cc, street legal, 2 or 4 seater, manual transmission and 4x4.
make a video between a roxor and a wrangler...
I'll pay the extra ~$12K for the Wrangler for how much more more it gives me, namely street legal anywhere, more comfortable for passengers (esp. on Unlimited), and actually able to pull my other buddies out when they get stuck in their Jeeps, FJ's, trucks, etc. One you use on the weekends, one you can use every day.
Having said that, OBVIOUSLY they both have their pros and cons, and generally I'd expect a stock ATV (that's right, it's an ATV with a cab, don't need to make up more names lol) -- which is fully purpose-built for off-road usage -- to be better than any stock on/off-road automotive vehicle, even a Wrangie with knobby tires.
If your going to have a side by side on the show, maybe y'all should start demoing the other brands too. Be something interesting to add to the business.
Get an ATV, more fun, more control and waaay less expensive. Cool test though.
Apple Aya My sentiments exactly!
Totally agree..but the side by side does things an atv can't. You can't put 3 kids on an atv and still have fun. You can't load firewood in the back of an atv and still have a passenger.
I have a 2011 Grizzly 700 and I love it. However, if I wanted to camp out in the Rockies, I'd get a side by side and the tent and all extras would go right behind me. I think that would be more fun. Its like a little jeep.
Apple Aya -my family of 5 begs to differ. We roll 5 deep in the pioneer and I have it haul my gravel rascal on my land. The Honda will do everything-has done Hells Revenge in Moab, tons of trails in Colorado... never a single maintenance issue. Now I have a roof, windshield and doors on it, so it’s basically a Jeep that’s not street legal.
By that argument I could say get a dirt bike for all the same reasons.
@@davec.3198 You can get little trailers for ATVs. They won't hold a lot and it will reduce the capabilities but you can get your camping gear with you on reasonable trails.