The CRANKY KIA (No Start, No Comm)
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- Опубліковано 15 січ 2021
- This 2005 Kia Sorento 4x4 ended up at the dealer service department after an intermittent crank no-start became permanent.
Parts cannon already fired a fuel pump and a crank sensor at it...FAIL!
Dealer said that the ECM went bad, and that the owner should trade in the car for a new one.
As a last resort I got called to the scene for a second opinion :)
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Enjoy!
Ivan - Авто та транспорт
I ran an Auto Repair service center for years; if YOU were outside in the weather, I would have told the boys in the shop "OPEN THE DOORS, PUSH THAT KIA INSIDE, Hook up a battery charger. Get this man a cup of coffee, AND SIT AND WATCH ---AND LEARN!" Thank You Ivan for the video!
haha that would have been fun :)
Yes
so true he sure knows his stuff
They didn't need to learn anything from him, they diagnosed the issue correctly as needing an engine ECU
@@civicowner07 But they didn't fix it and could have bought the same $100 computer from Ebay
Fixed it right on the dealer's lot after they told the customer it couldn't be fixed. If that isn't a middle finger to the dealership I don't know what is. Very satisfying.
At one point an older tech walked by and saw us working on the car and said “good luck” wryly, well the car was running not 15 minutes after he said that lol
@@gtemnykh haha yeah that was priceless :D
Dealer: Buy a new car
Ivan: Russian repair on fuel pump plus EBay magic = $25,000 savings!
😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
it's His logical step-by-step process that I really love... and he never panics or gets sidetracked. Super impressive.!
this is also such a good training video for anyone - particularly those setting out.
@@WCSPete1 Ya him and Eric O don't mess about they use there brains, experience and there tools to get straight to the point and get it done.
The keynesian economists think its bad for the economy to save money!! LOL
In this case, with that clattering engine, the dealer was right..by a new car. How many 10 year old Kias do you see on the road anyway?
Ivan your diagnostic knowledge is impressive.
My kia sorento diesel 2004 wen it hot just stop like that what is the cause
Props to KIA for having an access panel to the fuel pump instead of having to drop the whole fuel tank!
Yeah. Access to the fuel pump from the top should be a mandatory law.
That's because they expect it to go out quickly and it's an easy repair for the shop.
everything you do in these videos go completely over my head but I'm strangely addicted to watching them
Fixing it in there own carpark that's a BOSS move !
The techs there need to take a day off and read a diagnostics book. He embarrassed them on something very simple.
I have been following and learning from many top notch UA-camrs in this realm, and I'm an older dog. You are #1 in my book Ivan! Nice Work as always!!
Thanks for the positive words, Brian!
Holy shit Ivan that was amazing. You just keep getting better. Thanks Ivan!
haha yeah that was a satisfying one!
That dealer must be saying, get that guy out of here, we`ll never sell a new car again! Great job Ivan, you are one of a kind besides Eric O.
Ya I would have loved to be that customer just to see there face's I'd say there bullin .
@@neilmurphy845 Between Ivan and Eric O, they are the best Auto diagnostic people on UA-cam, across the Pond, Diagnose Dan is excellent.
@@febbral Ya if all the mechanics in Ireland cannot fix the car I am definitely bringing it over to Dan because there just top notch and you know when it's done it'll be like the factory would have done it.
@@febbral I love Dan's "rubber glove routine." :)
@@neilmurphy845 Neil, I didn`t know you were from Ireland, your country has a great rock and roll band called DEA MATRONA, the girls in band are really good for such young women. Hope they come to States to perform.
Dealer: "You need a new $1,500 computer or a new car."
Ivan: "Meh, gimme $100 for a used computer plus some labor and I'll find a screwed up fuel pump. "
Dealer: "I hate you."
Awesome diag, Ivan!
xD
Hahahhahaa
Ivan, you are the "Magic Man.!" Once again your logical deductions come through. I do love the checks of "Powers and grounds, Powers and grounds - so important. Your ability to catch "the little things," like bent pins, and in this instance, NO wires going to the connectors to activate the pump. NO one else would have found that. Thanks,
Yes for know on everytime I get an electronic problem I say to myself what would Eric and iven do.
Working in my first year as a heavy vehicle diesel mechanic atm, and I am beyond stoked that I could even follow what you were doing every step of the way. Amazing learning resource! 👍
Once again an impressive display of engine diagnostic ability. Fabulous work Ivan!!
This was one of the best diagnosis videos I’ve seen for a while. Superb job Ivan.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have been working on cars for many yrs, and you are so much fun to watch! I just got home from a long day at work, and I like to relax by watching you figure things out. You have a natural gift. Thank you for this wonderful channel. I live in Pa , and would like to shake your hand some day!
Certainly was a Staten Island fuel pump wiring issue.
I miss Keith and the Staten Island videos.
You and your brother make a great team!
Fuel pump wiring find was impressive!! Once again awesome work.
You never fail to amaze me Ivan. You are an inspiration.
Awesome another happy customer no surprise. You are one heck of a diagnostic dude. Love watching your videos!
I have watched many of your videos, for some reason this one seemed to have a pre-plan style to it where you look at the schematic and you already have your test connections ready to go, I like this style very much to cut down on video length as you get straight to the point. Perfect video and hope to see many more in the future. Thanks again for the detailed repair and great info such as KIA don't need no stinking reprogramming.
Thanks for the feedback! Yeah this was post-diagnosis of the ECM, but the fuel pump was live :)
I became suspicious when I saw the low fuel light on and the fuel gauge on empty. After the wiring connections were placed in the proper place, the light turned off and the gauge actually gave a reading. It's neat how everything falls into place sometimes.
Good eye! I only noticed that after watching the video footage haha
Man u should be a deductive
@@W.Khairi detective ?
@@qisrice2540 Yea he noticed something very subtle
Good stuff Ivan. Someday hope to follow in real time all the circuit checks, ground side , control side ,test light usage, etc. Right now its lots of rewinding. Great to see the puzzle figured out at the end!
Ivan, I certainly hope your clients realize what a fantastic talent you have. These complex issues which you run down are impressive kills in the automotive jungle.
Excellent job again Ivan. I am not a tech. However I have learned allot by watching you. I really enjoy watching you work.
That was a great one Ivan, I love your systematic approach, you are amazing
Great troubleshooting Ivan. You da man!
Great Job Ivan! I like seeing vehicles once thought hopeless and it's saved for another day! Hopefully it will serve the owner for a while longer!
Ivan is a treasure to the automotive industry. Excellent teacher.
There are NOT enough Ivan's,..Eric O's & Scanner Danner's in this world !
Excellent diagnostic work as usual Ivan & once again this customer saved money.
Outstanding job Ivan. Plus an eBay score saving the customer BIG BUCKS - You da man. 😁
You did however get the engine check light on with energising the main relay(old computer). With fuel pump right at that point it would have probably worked? Well 100 for a computer was cheap anyway.
Those were exactly my thoughts.
Sometimes the Mrel transistor burns out.
I was a bit scared watching him put a test light across the coil trigger as the transistors driving that sort of business are usually only 200ma rated jobbies
your dedication to this job was admirable. Great runover on all issues. Thanks for the tips
I'm pretty sure most diagnosticians would not have checked the internal wiring of a fuel pump. That was amazing!
I was really surprised that those connectors were swappable lol
They are not allow to think anymore.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I had a Toyota Corolla here not long with almost the same problem. Client installed a fuel pump, but the car would randomly die. Found spread pins at the fuel pump module internal connector.
Another great example of a systematic, scientific, and very practical approach to solving a complicated problem.
Good catch Ivan! Glad to see your thought process on this! 🙏🏼
Amazing as always. Dealer has no time for people who dont want to pay high repair prices or if you don't want to buy a car.
Ivan great troubleshooting. I’m surprised the dealer let you work on it in their lot. Stay safe and well Artie😊
Very logical step by step to fix this car's problems. Glad you were able to get it back up and running on a budget.
The fuel pump diag was genius! You never disappoint! Many would have just put another pump in never knowing it was plugged in wrong inside! Glad you "need to prove" what is wrong. Who would have known?
I wouldn’t have thought that a car-fix video could be this exciting…keep ‘em coming!
Outstanding diagnosis. 2 unrelated faults, one caused by the parts cannon. You looked happy with the result and you should be.
Awesome troubleshooting and teaching skills! Big fan of your work
I think Ivan has lift us hanging with this one:
1- He didn't attempt to communicate with PCM after he energized Main RLY? ( At least then we will be sure if the whole PCM is junk or its only Main RLY activation problem)
2- After starting up the car he didn't reattempt to restart it with the older PCM -while externally energizing main RLY of course -
But we will forgive him for this one.....cause the fuel pump footage was really special.
Regardless, Thanks a lot for this valuable lesson.
Another brilliantly well thought through diag. and so well explained. I wish you lived nearby might be able get my intermittent stall fixed... there's no decent diagnostic people in my city...
Good cpmpetent mechanics are a dying breed.
Wow ! Now that was an interesting case study. Thanks Ivan !! Who needs an expensive scanner. Launch to the rescue !
"There's your problem lady!"... Brilliant video, thank you Ivan 👌👌👌
That was a diagnosis above and beyond. That is how you get customers for life. Great Job.
That was a noisy engine once it was running.
GDI engine? 😁😁😁😁😁
@@romonshakra9381
I don't think anyone had gdi back in 2005...
After it warms up, the lifters will fill...
@@Sonichu_is_watching yes I know, but it sounds like one.😁😁😁😁😁
I have this engine with 146,000 miles. It's really noisy on first startup if it hasn't been run for a while. They don't like sitting
Saved the Coustmer some money for sure, I've had a couple of go-rounds with Kia dealerships, can't say I'm surprised by their attitude, great catch with the fuel pump connections, great job as always
Thanks for the content Ivan, thanks to you another car gets to live another day👍
A superb diagnostic process, Ivan! I'm surprised that the dealer mechanic would not have verified their fuel pump wiring since it was easy to see that both plugs were the same! They're obviously a few rungs down the ladder from you, Ivan. Well done!
I think they just stopped at a bad ECM and advised the owner to trade in the truck haha
Посмотрел. Ты молодец! Странно, что в 2005 году нет иммобилайзера...
Рад, что Григорий, показался нам в кадре:)
Amazing diagnostic skills Ivan!!!
Very astute observations Ivan. The way that engine sounds it either hasn’t been run for several days or it’s got weak oil pump
Evan, ur thought process is AWSOME love ur approach learn allot from you.cheeeers
Great video Ivan! I just ran into this same problem on the same vehicle 2003 Sorento dead misfire on cylinder 4... found a shorted control wire to the coil causing it to melt after a couple mins! 🤦🏽♂️ Ordered a new ecm from local salvage yard and voila! Thanks for sharing bro!
Very cool! Good to hear from you rGreg! Hope things are well in GA :)
The dealer knows that you can put a used ECM without needing any programming to start and run.. However the problem is the vin# will be a junkyard vehicle vin#, so if IVAN scans this KIA now it will have a different vin#, and the vin# can not be changed... that's the reason why the dealer says to junk the car, when its time for the owner of the vehicle to deal with SMOG CHECK/DMV, once they plugin and scan the vehicle it will be flagged for salvage vin#...... to all technicians doing this on KIA and HYUNDAI, make sure you explain this to your customer
An interesting excuse.
How many mechanics would've stopped at the fuel pump wiring connector and called the pump. Love that Ivan takes the extra step and looks at the pumps internal wiring.
Luckily it came out easy...not like a Volvo lol
My only disappointment is the dealer was correct.. kind of... LOL... These are my favorite videos... Fixing someone else's screw up.. Well done...
Good for you Ivan. Great Diagnostics and the tracing of those wiring diagrams good job. At least it was moderately easy to get at wiring to double-check the current flows. Why would you have a fuel pump with identical connectors? Must be Korean. All the best from Canada.
Great job, you're great, I've been following you for a while and watching your videos is a real pleasure. I have been working as a Kia technician for 12 years so I know what I am talking about and this is a great example of properly done diagnostics. step by step. I live in Europe and the cars here are a little different. Just tell me please this kia Sorento has an Immobilizer system or not? I worked on several Kia Sorento that were imported from the USA and they did not have an Immobilizer system. Once again, you are great. I wish you good luck.
Hi Milutin, this one was a base model with no immobilizer :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics So I thought, that the model with the Immobilizer system would then have to be reprogrammed, and in this situation you would have the error "immobilizer mismatch". Great thing when there is no immobilizer system, just plug and play :).
Amazing diagnosis and low price fix, love it👌
I must admit, YOU ARE GOOD diagnostics man, really good.
p. s. Please buy one power probe, maybe relay kit from AS.
Another awesome video. I'm always anxious to see your next one.
Wow....You're the Sherlock Holmes of Automotive Diagnostics!...Who would think of a incorrectly wired fuel pump.
First time I've seen something like that...
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Have seen it before but when only the actual pump part is replaced and the oem connector has to be spliced to the new pump wires. Very common to mix up the polarity and think the new part is a dud. But yes the fuel gauge was telling us the issue from the first one but we all (me included) were thinking that it was just out of fuel. Sometimes it really is just that simple!
My dad bought a car cheap this way years ago. Owner did not realize he was out of gas and thought the gauge broke and the engine was kaput. 2 gallons of gas and a lowball offer later, and dad was the new owner of a Ford Torino.
Great fix! Always find out what work has been done previously.
Awesome video I like the steps you took to find the problems very detailed!
Excellent diagnosis Ivan, especially the fuel pump! Given how bad replacement part QA has gotten, how much do you want to bet that pump came like that from the factory?
That customer should buy you a cape and super hero mask, Ivan! You saved him big time! Good job. Nice repair.
Great video sir,1st time I have seen or watched any of your work. Not a mechanic by any means just happen to be working on a 2004 Kia Sorento. I got a lot out of it, but the main thing I want to say is, it made me double check my situation. Eureka ! I struck gold by doing so, and you got one more subscriber to your channel. Impressive young man !!!
Hey Tim welcome to the show! What did you find on your Hyundai?
Long story short it started off looking for the coolant leak coming out off the back of the motor. Actually, I still have to pinpoint it ugh 😑. In the process of doing it though jacked the ride up and took wheel and inner fender off hoping to get a better look. This caused the problem with fuel pump not picking up the fuel and the negatives in the relay box not to operate correctly. If you know an easier way to get to the back of the motor on a 3.5 without disassembling the motor I’m all ears.
Oh yea, when it’s empty and 1 gallon of gas goes in it’s still empty.
😧 dang. Look hard diag. I barely fixed P2173 , throttle body code but it was a vacuum leak. Nice job 👍🏼.
when all else fails call Ivan! don't you love it when you are following two or three other guys.
Always a pleasure to watch you.
Ivan,
Great video and diag - thank you! They should have poka yoke those connectors.
God bless
Paul (in MA)
Thanks Paul!
Great video Ivan. you should make more videos on Kia because i own one.
Your electrical analysis is really impressive Mr. smarty pants.
very impressive Ivan... nice Diagnostic repair.
Wish you had tried back the old ECM and ground the wire to the ecm relay driver. Great video as usual Ivan… my kinda approach!👍🏾
Easiest dealer diagnosis, just buy a new car! Who would have thought! 😂🤣 Ivan nice diagnosis. 👍
Good job Ivan. I would also replace the main relay just in case the windings are drawing too much current and loading the driver too much.
Good point
I don't know why , but I felt happy when the pump worked.
That is the feeling of SATISFACTION...
me too, yeeeeeeeeeah
Another great video bro. Always cool!
Ivan , you sure dont give up until you find your problem , thats impressive .
Great diagnostic work Ivan!
Amazing troubleshooting and good ol' EBay!
Wow lots of work for guest plug-in and play good Job Ivan
i was really impressed with how mehodical you went about running down the problem great job
Methodical scientific approach never fails! 😎
Right on! Even Kia dealership, needs Ivan 's expertise and knowladge to work on their Kia cars) That's next level up!
Another one saved from the "environment friendly" landfill. Good job. I was at a junkyard recently for the first time in a long time. I was chocked. Last time it was mainly rusty junk cars. Now the majority was "new" cars which probably had some electronic issues. I mean, like cars absolute mint condition. No damage, clean, worth a lot of money if you asked me. And I kind of get it. Here in Sweden, the inspection reads codes on 2002 and newer. My wife had a Citroën V6 2001 that basically coded with all three cats beeing "too old". So if it was one year newer it would have needed parts worth double the cars value. But due to it beeing a 2001 it passed with lit engine light and perfect "smog measure". And I have the real dealer diag-tools but only solution was to swap the cats. It still has good inspection on emissions many years on, and the check engine light is still on. I wonder how the manufacturers are getting away with this.
Yeah it's sad that good cars get junked due to some silly failures!
Excellent video, I am more exited than you are when the engine started working 🙂
Amazing you're the 'on the road guru'..dealerships have to learn more
No, they don't want to pay more money to season veteran mechanics, bring on the new graduates.
@@romonshakra9381 go independent
out standing skills mechanic excellent
I would like to know were the KIA schematics were obtained
keep up the great work
The complex diagrams you go thru always tend to lead to a simple fix. Incredible. And most of the time it was something someone else screwed up! Hahaha. You just want to smack them but then thank them for the job. You are the diagnostic wizard of the east coast.
I am in joying all your videos, good job all ways hummmm! thanks PHD. Habib Auto all day way from Ghana Accra West African
Oh yes..mixed up Martin worked on that one.He always get everything back asswards😃 nice fix Ivan.👍
You are skilled with patience👍
You did an awesome job, very thorough explanations. Sps bratan.
Good job Ivan.
Best Regards from Poland
Excellent job
Motoyam. 👍👍
You are a smart,excellent mechanic! 👍👍👍👍