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I know this isn't a Sci-fi Civilisation but I think it'd be nice to hear your opinion on Lord Sauron's Empire from The Lord of the Rings. I'm asking this because I'm curious how Sauron managed to sustain an Empire even though it's probably more brutal than Immortan Joe's Empire; if you want help with getting info, there's a channel named History Of Middle Earth and he has some good videos that may help you. You don't have to do it if you don't want to, don't get me wrong, this is just a suggestion. Have a nice day Zealot. =)
@@VitoIsPuffBunny that is true; there's also the fact that some or most Orcs were literally bread to be warriors; but I was more referring to the non orc rasis he had under his iron gauntlet, but still those are valid points I'm not going to lie. You know, speaking of their industrial knowledge, I don't think any other race in Middle Earth (outside of maybe the Dwarves) has the same level of armor, weapons and siege tools by their side. You know if they *really* put their heads together I think they might have made the first ever smoke powered ships and war charriets, now *THAT'S* a site worth fearing; we also know that they understand gunpowder so maybe they could've made the first rifles, alright I'm thinking too much into this.
@@tommyfox854 I've included Sauron and his forces in the _Villains Too Stupid To Win_ poll several times. Considering that option received a decent amount of votes on each occasion, I'm sure we will be seeing a Sauron episode sooner rather than later.
@@MediaZealot Holy molly I wasn't actually expecting you to see this, thank you for the wonderful surprise Zealot. And people really want to know just how screwed up Sauron's Empire is ay; expect me to watch that video as soon as I can. Again, thank you very much for the surprise and have a nice day. =)
@@theclockworkknight1273 meaning the altitude sickness is either hell on earth or non-existent. How long has Columbia been going by the time you get to it in game? It possible for the citizens of Columbia to potentially evolved to adapt to the higher altitude?
@@raymondfisheriii791 it is possible they evolved to adapt the altitude as some humans evolved to other ways of life, there is a tribe Wich people are better swimmer, they see better underwater, are more resistant to pressure and can hold their breath for longer, so it is entirely possible someone develops specific traits for the environment they live in, BUT, they will have to pass several generations of illines and problems derivative of said envoirement, there are villages in Peru that are in high altitudes and kids often has some form of respiratory problems
@@eliavita The villages in Peru and Tibet are the ones that I was drawing inspiration from when I asked if they had adapted to the high altitudes, specifically. If they’re any indication of what’s possible if that’s the case, then the people of Columbia actually might have some surprising longevity on them in terms of natural lifespans, which doesn’t help them in a war scenario, but it is still interesting. If anything, it’s a reason for people to potentially want to move to Columbia, while also being a reason to keep Columbia distant and peaceful, or at least neutral.
First good legit criticism of a thing that actually doesn't make sense in Columbia which has nothing to do with jewish writers making it not make sense to make Whites look bad.
To be fair, we don't know what new developments Columbia would have managed to made in the decades between the Elizabeth we meet, and the old one attacking New York.
More importantly, Columbia would be desperately dependent on metal imports and similar things that they can't get themselves. Being a flying city means they can't mine. They have to either set aside their xenophobic beliefs to trade or take by force and piss everyone off. F-16s? How about F-14 Tomcats, or F-86 Sabers... or P-51 Mustangs and F6F Hellcats strafing the city.
I think it's fair to point out that Colombia IS collapsing. Even if booker had never shown up it was going down the drain. Most of the faults listed in the video are entirely intentional and actually reflected in the story
If they attacked America in 1984 then by then NATO would've been a thing for about 35 years and so America's Allies would've joined in on the fun as well
@@goofball3056 Interesting, but nuclear is always a bad idea, even more so when your enemy is a floating city. I imagine the fallout would get everywhere, and that's not even mentioning the potential for Columbia to go all Sokovia and make a crater.
@@ctdaniels7049actually more modern nukes don’t have fallout as much as the older one due to them using up most of the radioactive energy in the main blast
@AKUJIRULE considering the crap I’ve pulled with an A-10 in Ace Combat, easy. The A-10 might pack the most powerful cannon on a single seat plane, but that’s the thing, it’s a fairly small single seater for the punch that it packs.
@Jay Blake what a waste of time that is because Marx had a dumb interpretation of reality, and was a loser. His ideas never did anything he said they would, it just became a despotic hellhole every single time. Dumbass
@Darth Revan Well this is basically a way overblown South mixed with a bit of Rome but it doesn't detract from the fact that multiculturalism has ruined the West.
Yeah, you would think the future Columbia would be more advanced, but they're clearly using the same weapons and gear. So yeah, it's gonna be scary for a second when they descend over New York and start catapulting fire everywhere, and then they'll just get blasted into oblivion.
I think it’s safe to say that if the realities weren’t negated, Columbia would dominate the surface world before they had the tech to take out Columbia. We don’t know the full extent of power Columbia had through Elizabeth’s power.
WHERE do they get the silver to manufacture money? WHERE do they get the logs to build housing etc? WHERE do they get the bricks?Where are the great pastures needed to grow cattle, pigs, vegetables? EVERYTHING is floating in the sky! The original Bioshock is far more believable.
Every Bioshock game is a commentary on the dangers of extreme ideologies. If those ideologies seemed cartoonishly stupid, that's by design. Just like in the real world, there's no shortage of otherwise sane, rational people who are, uh, _less than rational_ when they discuss certain topics.
Lol racism is considered extreme somehow? Non white races have always being viewed with suspiciously if not outright hostility, the only folly of his regime was probably the silly religious fanaticism and letting in people you already hate but for whatever reason need as a servant population
I think my biggest gripe about comstocks invasion plan is how late he does it. We wouldn’t even need nukes jets and tanks would do the work I doubt the slow wooden and brick houses of Columbia could withstand any kind of attack from a modern jet
Ya no he'd get wrecked easily 1980s we had stuff that could kill them all zero difficulty. Napalm ,nerve gas , helicopters, tanks, Jets, ground to air missles. And way more he would die so quick it would hoenslty be a waste of ammo
I beileve that the attack in 1984 was a final hurrah of Columbia to burn it to the ground kind of like a terrorist attack. Elizebeth said herself the insane run the asylum an thats probably what is shown here which is end result of Columbias mission.
@@godofvectors557 maybe if they first send in some spec ops with those mind control abilities to really soften up the US military they might have a chance to achieve something. Still cant really stop the entire world with the amount of population they have up there.
1.- An oppressive inequitable society invites rebellion. 3:21 2.- Comstock attempts to kill Rosalind Lutece, the person primarily responsible for Columbia's technological advancement. But instead he transforms her and her "brother" into indomitable demigods. 11:22 3.- Comstock's kingdom was already vulnerable to collapse. His reckless actions and other policies increase the chances of disaster. 15:00
I mean...the way he put Columbia with it's police state thing, mistreatment of minorities and so on it sounds more like a more open borders Australia than America...
-Columbia plans to invade the surface in 1984. -They gather maybe 10,000 super powered soldiers from their tiny population. -Lets say they land troops in the USA and Canada. -The USA mobilizes for war. -Canada mobilizes for war. -UK mobilizes for war. -France mobilizes for war. -West Germany mobilizes for war. -Italy mobilizes for war. -Spain mobilizes for war. -Australia and New Zealand mobilize for war. -Austria mobilize for war. -Portugal mo... well, you know.
@Spartan 506 Not nearly as good as they could have done had the pre-war government been more long-sighted and actually tried to improve the military. There are many examples of UNSC equipment and vehicles being inferior to or at most on par with modern tech.
@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 Not at all. In fact, the UNSC's use of projectile weapons actually makes them one of the smarter/more realistic sci-fi factions. I'm talking more about how many UNSC weapons and vehicles are poorly designed in spite of this. They literally hold themselves back. I'll give some examples: -The Scorpion fires a 90 mm shell. For reference, the M1 Abrams fires a 120 mm shell. Plus, the quad track design greatly increases and complicates maintenance. -The Falcon has no doors, which increases drag and exposes the crew. -The Warthog would not fit the needs of most modern militaries. It is only really good for recon. Even then, the UNSC should have the tech to make the turret on it remotely controlled like with the Scorpion. At least build an alternate version of the Humvee. -The assault rifle has atrocious spread. That wastes ammo, reduces accuracy, and range. -The battle rifle should have an automatic mode. It is wasting much of its potential by not. -The shotgun is useless beyond 3 meters (except in Halo CE and maybe Halo Infinite) and is still a pump action. We have modern shotguns that are semi-auto or even fully automatic nowadays. -The grenade launcher fires just one shell and has terrible range compared to modern launchers. -Come to think of it, there are no grenade launchers attached to standard rifles, which we have. -The UNSC barely uses artillery.
@@bindukopparapu2795 the unsc was also dealing with the rebels pre covenant which was ass also everything about the guns and their spread and such is just game balance, it would be boring if we went too realistic.
For a man who can supposedly see the future, the society he built is incredibly vulnerable to numerous shortcomings. If it wasn’t intentional, he’s a quack.
Seeing that when Columbia attacks new York their technology hasn't really changed since 1912 and they attacked the 80s U.S. so they would've been tooken out really quickly by fighter jets, bombers ,ground to air missles, etc. Its like attacking a bear with a small rock
Their "1912" technology included cyborgs, railguns, magic powers and flying cities powered by quantum manipulation. I'm not sure about a fighter jets success rate here.
Yaldabaoth not to mention mutated people who can wield fireballs, electricity, summon murderous crows, and possession that can possess people and machines
@@akessel92train Mounted .50 Cal beats wizard every time bro. Not to mention 23mm autocannon, 40mm auto grenade launcher, 60/80/120mm mortars... That's not even counting the heavy stuff like proper artillery and basllistic missiles. Tactical nukes were a thing too.
I'm glad they were able to portray Fascism accurately. Nothing sounded more than superficially fascist until you said the State controlled the monopoly.
Here's a theory, because they brought Booker to colombia 122 times his exposure across realities to the quantum fields has caused him to become a more evolved, transcendent being, represented by the moment the player, a being beyond the understanding or scope of view of any characters in the game, picks up the controller.
And by only jumping the hoops through previously "failed" branches that Booker managed to defeat, or realized, that he had to smother the baby in the crib. No meaning to nitpick, but the Lutece twins were as equally dumb when it took them that many attempts to realize one single person on one timeline can't do shit.
I guess that’s Bioshock in general. It requires a level of suspension of disbelief to accept the world you’re in. But the thing is, Bioshock 1 fleshes the city out in ways that feel natural. Like, how is they get oxygen? Where is people live? What do they do for fun? It answers those questions, and also shows how those answers aren’t enough for people, hence the collapse. But Infinite? I’m willing to accept a floating city using early to mid-1900s tech, with powers commercially available as drinks. Kinda ridiculous but it’s cool so I’m down. But then they add in the time-travel/dilation/quantum entanglement shit and it begs more questions than it attempts to answer, so, breaks the suspension of disbelief.
Yeah this game while interesting lacked the logic of past BIoshocks. The time travel and alternate dimension bit didn't help. Made no sense what so ever for Booker to get killed to save the multi verse. Why does adult Booker who had the daughter dying save the multi verse unless he is killed before she was born or something. And again with infinite possibilities would they all exist again some where any ways? This just felt like the all to common "Bad end" in where you work hard all game and get shafted as the hero in the end.
That was my biggest problem with the game and few seemed to talk about it. In a world of *infinite* universe, killing one timeline of Bookers solves nothing. Not to mention it's a Grandfather paradox to boot.
@Bolivian-Lament Honestly it kind of was. It was at least self consistent within it's own rules. Other than the weird freaky science of splicing powers it was a fairly logical set up. Guy rebels against the government and builds his own city/country under the sea. Problem with total freedom and dare say it Anarchy is you can't control or rule it and control of the city fell from his hands. In the end Ryan acted more like the Government he complained about in his opening dialogs, all to control his citizens and keep them productive while reaping all the benefits of their work for himself.
@@emperoremperor1486 The problem with that is Ceaser is counting on A: succeeding Hoover Damn and B: there be tribes to help sustain him past the Colorado. Everyone with some contact to the Legion and some form of book smarts (Ulyssus, Grahm, even Vulpes to a degree) agrees that when Ceaser dies or they reach the west coast, the Legion will collapse on itself. And I'd not trust even Ceaser to try and reverse his band of techless slaver barbarians into a functional society. And as a reminder, without the Courier's intrusion if you choose so, Ceaser is also suffering a brain tumor, leading his empire on shaky ground before he even reaches California.
the fallout factions really to stupid to exist are any faction from fallout 3 or 4, the legion is actually winning, people keep using the argument that isn´t built for the long term, but the fact is we never get to see Caesars plan post hover dam, but it is clear from what little we get out of the design documents that he views the legion in its current form as more of a stepping stone towards a greater synthesis, a new rome if you will. Now the fact that the legion collapses upon his death is due to him being a narcist, but there are plenty of historical empires centered around strong charismatic leader figures that collapsed almost the instant the individual in question died, name atillas huns for example, it doesn´t render these empires dumb or any less real.
in fairness, most of this sounds pretty plausible and we've seen societies in real life that have had these beliefs. They may not last forever but could last a while, like plantation slavery did.
I've been thinking of the primary difference between Infinite and Bioshock 1/2 narrative wise. What I've come up with: Rapture is a plausible setting, if not actually a 'possible' setting. Sure, an underwater city around midcentury isn't necessarily something that does exist in real life, but with Ryan's motivations and all the environmental storytelling, it makes sense internally. Columbia is both an impossible and implausible setting. It's a floating city in the sky, and that setting is based more on "we need another wacky setting to contrast with the last game!" than anything naturally occurring from the time period or setting. There were plenty of zealous, cultist protestant sects and racial apartheid states in the continental U.S. circa 1890. Why... did Columbia have to escape into the clouds again? And of course there's the rather odd choice to have this American chauvinist isolationist cult be completely dependent on a secular Brit to keep their floating city, well, afloat.
They wouldn’t care about her being British, since advocates of white ethno-states are perfectly whine with European immigrants. Her being secular was probably hand waved by the founders. The implication is that Lutese needed Comstock for funding and resources.
For Star Trek, the biggie for idiots have to be the *Klingons…* A society where you can kill a superior and take their place in the hierarchy just results in the best individual combatants getting to the top, not the best qualified people for the job. And you can lose the best engineer, scientist, pilot, or strategist in a generation just cause they had a bad day against a young up and coming knife fighter. It must surely also lead to paranoia in the ranks, like with Gawron's treatment of Martok. Talented subordinates are a threat to your life. Then there is Ezri Dax's assessment of how the Klingon Empire is going to collapse due to hypocrisy and tolerance of dishonor. Yet the Klingons have a lot of biological advantages, so they should be far more successful. Their natural lifespans are approximately twice as long as humans (not that many live that long) and their childhood is far shorter, about half of a humans, so child rearing a isn't a major part of a adults life. To translate to a human, raising a child to adulthood would take about 4 - 5 years of a Klingons lifespan. Then add in their amazing resilience to injury and disease (they were the only known species immune to the phage), their backup internal organs and their increased strength, and a individually Klingon should be able to survive injury far better. If humans suddenly got the health of Klingons it would revolutionise human society (and end Covid-19 in its tracks), education, childcare and medicine and disabilities. Yet they suck at running a civilization, more so than even Humans in our current form! Imagine if the Klingons had adopted Vulcan emotional control techniques, they would be very powerful. Instead they just tear themselves apart regularly, and the only thing that saves them is finding a external foe to beat up on for a while.
Considering that the Klingons border the Federation and the Romulans and that the Borg exist, the Klingons have plenty of common foes. As for Klingons adopting Vulcan emotional control techniques, no. We do not need more smug condescending jackasses in Star Trek.
Courtnee Draper does do a beautiful rendition of "Will the circle be unbroken" in the game, honestly I prefer Metal but its my favorite hymn now because of her.
Media Zealot, tell me, what are some of the biggest glaring flaws that one could/should avoid when creating a sci-fi civilization? Things to make them more believable, or, at the very least, more sophisticated in a way that you could be interested in. It's not that I'm searching for validation from strangers, but unfortunately I am heavily influenced by a lot of these franchises that you have been going over, and I want to avoid copying the flaws of their narrative structure, and the civilizations therein.
Here's one that will get you thinking. How does the good guy defeat the bad guy, but still leave a plausible scenario for a sequel? There are only so many ways this can be done. Rabid fans will examine every moment of your story to find inconsistencies and plot holes. Whatever you do, don't add a Snoke to your plot. Modern audiences are more willing to put their disbelief on hold if it's a good story that they want a sequel for. Use real life as your guide but inevitably the world has to revolve around the fictional aspects that make it sci-fi. You have to acknowledge that to make a fun story, the existence of strange things is normal in your universe. The best universes have a blend of grimy and used and shiny and new. Subtle nods to similar situations in other sci-fi universes pleases the rabid fan. Don't write it for an audience at first. Put in everything that you want for yourself. If you want an enormous space battle with massive starships then put it in there, but realise that you now have a high tech universe that has a back story. It also has a future and every one of your characters wants to see that future. They don't create a world where chaos reigns in case they are the first victim of the chaos. But creating chaos makes a great story, so you must invent a plausible reason for chaos to ensue. As a rule, don't add a Snoke. McGuffins are common but the quality of the writer determines the quality of the McGuffin. Study your McGuffins and all shall be revealed. Don't have a world where one idiot could nuke everything. I think that's one thing all of us Media Zealots would say. See, just blowing everything up is a bit of a cop out. Self preservation really is a thing. The scariest bad guys have a hint of truth about them. Like Trump. People don't just change their minds because some upstart says it's a corrupt regime. They support that corrupt system, so you have to have a reason why they should change their loyalties. In reality, that's difficult without having fleets of enormous starships full of turbolasers to help them make that decision. And a death star. Don't forget the death star. Nah, I'm joking. Death stars tend to retard possible outcomes since the absolute necessity of destroying it before it destroys another Alderaan is paramount. It's the same as using nukes. After having said all of that, you will probably break all of these rules if that's what making a successful story requires. If you didn't, Media Zealot would have nothing to play with!
@@badmoonrisin4700 I like all the points you are bringing up! Thanks! Here's a question, what are your thoughts on a Sauron? Basically, a more down-to earth servant of a cosmic bad-guy who takes centre stage in absence of his master. What do you think of Sauron characters? Should they be built up as once-dead or should the story focus on how they gained notoriety and uniqueness apart from their master?
think about your economy for example if your city is super racist and has a super oppressed underclass you will see rebellion and eventually one of them will work.
Logistics, or in other words, does this civilization even have the resources to actually exist? A good example of this flaw would actually be Columbia, where do they get their food? Rapture has gardens that we visit and fight through, fish literally everywhere, and even a packaging plant. Where is Columbia’s equivalent? Ask yourself those kinds of questions.
Do “those who came before” (or whatever Ubisoft calls them these days) from Assassin’s creed. They were originally an ambiguous, almost lovecraftian plot device but then Ubisoft gave them lasers and made them stupid.
They gave them an actual name, the Isu. I'm not too bothered by more glimpses into their time and technology, but even I think that is something that should've been left unnknown.
What a coincidence: I had finished _BioShock: Infinite_ and its storyline DLC not too long ago. While I enjoyed the game, I did find the story difficult to understand. Your video cleared it up, though.
I am pretty sure it origionally had a very different story since in an early video it had the people hanging elezebeth. Honestly think it was terrible.
The Plasmi- uh, I mean, Vigors, are a missed opportunity. They feel like they HAVE to be there, because the name of the game has BIOSHOCK in it, as opposed to the first 2, where they were more entwined with the story. Also, I heard Infinie had a 2-weapon limit (kinda ironic, then), which is a HUGE step down from carrying ALL of them.
I mean, they are different enough to have their own feeling to them compared to Plasmids. Undertow, Charge, Back to Sender ect. Even the fire, electricity, and raven/different bees are a bit different. Especially when you can combine Vigor attacks
You'd think after reading all the glowing reviews when the game first came out you would be alone in thinking the story and setting was more stupid then it actually was. I'm glad I wasn't the only crazy one.
me, listening to the description of the place: *nods* hmm yes, Twitter's impression of america edit: lmao imagine blimps against Tom Cruise in the ol' F-14
Racist's aren't exactly known for their intelligence, in fact I'm surprised they didn't use the cyborg technology as a means of both enhancing the ability of and controlling their slave labour. A practical use of such cybernetics as a control mechanism would be to replace a vital organ and do what they did in Fallout New Vegas by making a invisible force field, if they try to cross it without appropriate override codes from their master their artificial organs intentionally malfunction in a manner meant to cause torturous pain.
I can think of a another reason Columbia brought in non-whites. It used to be a popular theory among old-timey communists that racism was something deliberately propagated by the rich capitalists to keep the working class divided instead of realizing they had a common enemy in the rich capitalists. While of course in real life things aren't that simple (people don't need a sinister conspiracy to tell them to fear and hate those different from them, and being rich doesn't make you evil in and of itself), in Columbia that was probably a large part of it. As long as the middle and working-class whites of Columbia were kept in a state of constant fear of the non-whites, they wouldn't have time to reflect on how they themselves were being used by The Founders.
One always Puzzled me in here. If they are so racist and such, why they wouldn't yeet everyone they hate of Columbia and just replace them with machines. That never added up for me. If they can build clock works capable of sing heavy weapons, they could equally make robots and clockworks cleaning around and toiling at worst physical labour.
According to the comments they just only got into mechanizing the place. But you're right why on god green earth would a bunch of basically a bunch of white supreme want to get races that they despise so much into their little paradise causing massive internal conflict in their government and society
@@dean_l33 Irrational went truly "irrational" on this one. And yeah I forgot about that with automatons. Still they could at least let people of same beliefs immigrate, into the Columbia.
Machines being too specialized to actually do the work is a possibility. Lacking someone to lord power over and abuse with impunity is another given a lot of racists literally can't handle having nobody to feel superior to.
@@6611nitro Wait then wouldnt the whites that moved to Columbia is enough. I mean its not like they can actually fight back agaisnt the founder and just say that those were born from non whites or whatever bs so they can feel almighty again
This is why I like dystopian stories. Because it shows us one of many ways how our world could've been if things like humanity's worst tendencies overruled them and those tendencies were racism, fascism and ultranationalism as the ruling ideologies and that is why it is called dystopian because it usually shows the worst possible futures that could or would've come to past if we sacrificed reason and common sense.
@@spinosaurusstriker The Founders wake up and find their free labour class paraglided away in a single night. Columbian artifacts are found in the Alps, Himalayas and Andes mixed with chewed bones.
I absolutely the the Leuteces în this game and everything they are: a walking Deus Ex Machina. If they know that this is the fate of all who mess with that machine then why not just find another Letuce and make them recreate the machine and blow it up and become immortal and omnipotent too? I MEAN that is exactly what Comstock wants! Or if leaving a pinky in another reality is all it takes to make someone godlike then why didn't Comstock chuck his hair and fingernails all across reality and become a god too?!
I believe it's called the idiot ball. It's a trope where a character just starts acting stupid or fails to see the obvious solely to keep the plot. It's a sign of bad writing.
I have been thinking about this ever since I played the game. It's even worse in the dlc where(SPOILERS) Elizabeth loses her powers(really, why can't she just recreate the accident that made her godlike???).
I'm surprised you haven't tried to tackle any of the civilizations/factions found in Warhammer 40k. Let's look at a few. - Imperium of Mankind: A theocratic Oligarchy that is a cross between the British/Russian/Roman Empires in Space that is so heavily fractured and counter intuitive that the only reason it has not collapsed into smaller empires is humanities singular devotion to the God-Emperor of Mankind. - The Eldar: Hedonistic Space Elves that were so corrupt and morally bankrupt that they birthed a demonic god (aka Slaanesh) into existence. Dooming their entire civilization, empire, and wiping out 90% percent of their population all for hardcore BDSM with no safeword. Fracturing their people into either the space amish exodites, the spacefaring and heavily regimented gyspies like Craftworlders, the swashbuckling corsairs... and the literal soul sucking, sadomasochistic degenerates of the Druhkari who have turned torture to an artform. - The T'au: A race so hopelessly naïve that they sent a contingent of their people as emissaries to the Druhkari. - The orks: hyperviolent (and exceptionally durable) morons with a kratocratic (might makes right) form of governing who's people are just as happy to fight each other (even within the same warband) as they are a common enemy. Their latent psychic powers generally only manifest as a gestalt of mob mentality right down to powering their technology in a haphazard "Clap Your Hands If You Believe". The only reason Orks have become the most numerous species fungoid reproductive process. The greenskin bastards literally reproduce by belching and farting fungal spores into the environment that change the surrounding area into fungal-orkoid ecosystem designed to cater the Orks needs. - The Necrons: Space zombie/undead/robots who committed mass suicide at the species level by creating their gods, the C'tan, to help them destroy all other life out of petty spite. - The Old Ones: either extinct or pretty damn close to extinction race who created the orks to fight in their war against the C'tan and their necron servants. Oh, and they forgot to put an off switch on their orkoid weapons.
To be fair the Tau didnt really know what it was doing. Thats like you going to a party and finding out the owner is a serial killer and me laughing at your stupidity after i find your mangled corpse. Alltho because their nearby enemies are numbered in the quantillions i wonder how they survive there. But yeah 40k has a lot of stupidity in it but most of it is intentional.
I have to say, you’ve got some balls. The first video game series you do and it’s Bioshock. You could have went with something easy and dumb (there are too many to name), but you went for the sequel to one of the greatest games of the decade. You are either a genius or a mad man.
My decisions are usually based on selfish concerns. Bioshock Infinite is one game, with a definitive end, and no suggestion of a direct sequel. To me that's easy. Rapture/Covenant/Brotherhood of Steel and a lot of the other game suggestions will be extremely difficult (though I will definitely roast all of them eventually, I just need to complete some preliminary work before listing them as a voting option). Yeah its always a risk making fun of popular content, but let me just say this, when it comes to video games, I am going to try and veer towards games which I love. And FYI I can't wait to do Rapture. I didn't even like FPS games until I discovered Bioshock 1. I was so compelled by the story, I had to develop my FPS skills to simply get through it. I'd like to think people are able to see the distinction between my in-universe criticisms and the actual quality of the game/movie (as I'm sure you do). If people want reviews they should go check out Red Letter Media and the like.
@@MediaZealot I don't think you're giving yourself enough credit. What you do certainly has entertainment value but it can be valued as criticism. Plotholes and characters behaving uncharacteristically stupidly are genuine flaws. If anything, your videos provide an amusing thought exercise that can expose the kind of lazy writing that too often plagues our media. The only thing I can say is that an easy pitfall for you to fall into would be to ignore circumstances where civilizations or villains are genuinely written to be stupid and destined to fail. For example, Rapture is doomed to fail and this is recognized by the writers. Rapture does actually fail, it's ruins are where the game takes place. Invader Zim's antagonist is stupid but this is done on purpose as it is part of Zim's character. Perhaps in addressing these civilizations and villains it would be better to leave their stupidity as a question and conclude at the end of your video whether they are really too stupid to exist. I appreciate your reply and take everything I said with a grain of salt as it is undoubtedly fueled by my envy towards you for coming up with such a good idea.
@@davidgribble6313 it's an okay tunnel shooter game but the plot makes no actual sense at all(even if you understand it 100%) and the worldbuilding is kinda shitty beyond the graphics. well not even kinda but actually really bad beyond how the city looks.
I read in one of the notes it was built by America and a free city for a while. But a vox by Fink says he also kept bringing them in for cheap labor and menial tasks.
Small nitpick, the twins aren't actually siblings, they're the same person but different genders. 10:45 it's not really a self fulfilling prophesy if Elisabeth killed their leader and caused that reaction
It's 1912 and the Yanks have not noticed anything. Even if it's 150000 feet (ish) up, somebody should notice the abnormal Flying Object on the West Coast. The Boxer Rebellion in our world lasted from 1899-1901, but may have been shorter in the Columbia Universes. At the end, the President told them to stop bombing China, so Columbia left, likely outside of US gun range
You better tell that to the Christians. I don't think they're aware. They've been using the old bible to justify their racism for the last.... 2020 years, give or take.
@@zombielizard218 there's a lot of black Saints that were canonized a long time ago good example is st Maurice died in 287 and in I think 920 became the patron Saint of HRE emperors.
it is kind of a circle both extremes of either end always meet at the same end result authoritarianism. just choose your colour and name of your oppression.
@Jay Blake BioShock literally holds these values, it shows that extremism always ends in near certainty. The first one ultra capitalism, the second one a communist Utopia. Infant a fastest xenophobic Utopia.
Excellent series! Some suggestions: - Warhammer 40k Imperium (which I love but is clearly completely dysfunctional - Star Trek Federation - senior officers on every mission, no proper seat belts, no armour, moneyless society so no incentive, holographic pleasure rooms
to be fair, the Imperium was written spesifically to be as terrible as possible. all of WH40k is like that. its grim dark, so everything must be shitty, every. single tiny. detail, has to make your life miserable. logically it doesn't have to make sense. at this point its just dark comedy AND STILL its the best way to for humans to live considering the every day threat of: chaos cults and demonic possesions, gene-stealer cults, and a never-ending war with every single species in the galexy
"Moneyless society so no incentive". Guess our ancestors should have just lazed around in the jungles, I guess. My people didn't have money either, and we still created a society. You don't understand humanity. That's okay. Just don't pretend that you do.
Considering that Bioshock Infinite is an incredibly braindead game through and through that for some reason got circle-jerked for being "SO DEEP AND MEANINGFUL" when it originally came out, it's cathartic to have so many people looking back on it now and pointing out how abysmally stupid the writing and setting both are.
I think the comparison to Trump actually weakened your argument. Especially since it was lazy. As for the rest of the episode, it was ok, even if it was low hanging fruit. Personally, I just they depicted a "bad guy" civilization in a way that could be functional.
Exactly. This is little more than saying "so and so is exactly like Hitler because I painted a funny Hitler mustache on them. I win the argument." Trump's own daughter converted to Judaism after marrying a Jew and yet Trump, who is suppose to be the reincarnation of Hitler, was totally okay with it. Trump was pro-gay marriage back when most Democrats, including Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, opposed it. Trump enacted prison reform while Democrats only talked about it. None of these are the actions of either Hitler or a straw conservative like Comstack would do yet that doesn't stop leftists from lying on Trump.
@@CrossoverManiac Trump hired Stormy Daniels for sex, paid her off to never speak about it, lied about it, and still (as seen in the video) goes out for photo-ops holding a Bible upside down. You can see the hypocrisy, surely.
I'm glad Ken Levine was so against racism, he made the only black person relevant to the story be a child murdering psycho who gets killed by his OC waifu... Oh wait...
Yeah, the game's biggest misstep was making a false equivalence between the racist ultranationalist elitist overlords and the downtrodden minorities who didn't want those people stomping on their necks.
@@CrowTR0bot To be fair, previously oppressed people can quickly become oppressor's themselves and that may have been a commentary on that. There are plenty of black people that are extremely bigoted and racist for example can commit hate crimes due to that.
What I think is ridiculous is that a civilization that I’m stuck in the 1910s think it can bear a more advance nation from the 1980s. Some crap has happened since then.
I mean, they had quite the tech headstart so it's reasonable to assume they were far more prepared by the time they invaded in the 80s. However, they could probably just get nuked.
I actually hated everything about this game. Loved the first two, but this one should have been completely unrelated, or at least loosely related to the franchise and omitted "Bioshock" from its title. All the mythos, lore, and plot in this game were so convoluted and confusing. Hated the game mechanics and game play too. I gave it a decent shot. Even got more than 75% of the way through, but my interest had dwindled over time while my contempt grew. I never felt immersed or emotionally invested while playing. I just finally left it behind and played the other 2 several times over since. Rapture was far more captivating, the plots were both intelligent and easily navigable and digested. The characters far more compelling and relatable, motivations more plausible and believable. Infinite was a hot mess inside a dumpster fire at the center of a manure processing plant. I know a lot of people liked it, but it was not a game for me. The whole floating city in the sky thing was just silly and never sat right with me. If they wanted to do an outlandish new setting for a sequel they should have chose a Lunar or Martian base, or better yet, a base on one of the ice moons around Jupiter or Saturn with a habitat extending both above the icy surface and below, allowing a Rapture like feel with alien marine life, or genetically modified Earth marine life populating the oceans. Since the first Bioshocks were set in the 60s, at a time when NASA was in its infancy, a sequel taking place in the 70s or 80s on a different planetary body in space would make way more sense than the reversion back to an early 20th century city in the clouds.
Thank you for making this video. I love BS 1 and 2, but having twice played infinite at launch and recently at the remaster on ps4 I just cannot get into it. The spoilers come hard and fast and it's an interesting story (kinda sad at the end) but man it's really interesting what the deal is with the twins and the alternate realities! And yeah, by 1984 the USA would have topgun fighters to take out Columbia? God I can't stand the theocracy setting.
@@Slender_Man_186 my point was assuming a nation that take tech from different timelines and time periods completely stagnated and eemaines unchange or unoptomized for 70 years is unrealistic
On top of everything else, I think the timeframe from Wounded Knee to the building of Columbia is something like three years? In any event, it's incredibly short.
Yeah remember when you only had to worry about two liars on stage, now you got a ego crazed man and the other Cleary not mentally well enough to run for president.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD at least the ego crazed man can prove he managed to solve SOME problem in the world - you cant argue how big the Serbia-Kosovo relation normalization is, Serbia look at Kosovo in the same manner as a certain WW2 nation looked at a certain race (and im not exasperating, im a Hungarian living in Hungary -we are literally the northern neighbors of Serbia and their talk about "assimilating us back into slaves" - forcefully i want to add that - like it is completely normal thing to do - that deranged country we are talking about here). And unlike the middle east deal you cant even find the excuse to say "two US ally make deal with eachother, whats the deal?", because Serbia is a NATO and US adversary and HATE the US (its on the same level as making Russia give back Crimea for Ukraine except Serbia hate america and the west in general INFINITELY MORE than Russia does). In my book this ego crazed man already did more for the betterment of the world than a certain other one who won a Nobel Peace Prize for bombing the shit out of everyone who dared to even just question what America is doing. But what do i know, im just a random Hungarian from the Post-communist half of Europe, im clearly not "ideologically educated" to understand whats this Trump Derangement is all about in the first place....
Need or want in this case is relative to how you view it in context. They don't need the labor in the sense that the economy depends on it. They do need it for the project that is the city, with the values and world order it's meant to preserve.
Nice to see someone else who's a fan of Akame ga kill despite its flaws... On the other hand the Empire in that show/manga in general has some really really really fucked up things that makes people wanna go on a revolution....
I could list a number of them namely you would think that the Emperor (the kid) would see through his lying sack of shit fat bastard of his advisor but nooooooooo by the end of the series he's fully regret on what he has done and fully accept his death... Esdeath of course is one of them she.... I'm gonna be honest that ice girl is crazy and lest not forget about her ragtag of team she made.
@@someguyparagon5273 And her poor excuse of a team aren't even military elites or black ops they're all either minors or people who play a very minor role in the military. She didn't even try she probably just lazily looked at the list of people with the dumb Imperial Arms and said "Yep I choose them even though they're background don't fit the role they are going to be in." And the Empire's military is so stupid and incompetent even the Roman Empire would look down on them with pity and disappointment. And seriously relying on only 48 weapons that could easily be stolen throughout the years that can't be crafted ever again as the substitute to expand and sustain your Empire is beyond incompetent thinking for the first Emperor. He doesn't even deserve to have that title. The Prime Minister is also one of the dumbest villains ever seen. In real life this fat retard wouldn't even make it into two years into the game of politics before being violently deposed from within and from outside the government. Honest would of been found dead on his bed one day and then another person who is more cunning and intelligent would take his place or he would of been charged with corruption by his own inner circle and he would of died and they would take his place. It happened many times in real life. Just look at Germany, Russia, and China for example.
@@thorshammer7883 Let's not forget the military... The military in this manga/show holy shit... I mean they are too comfortable in the city that when they try to stamp out a revolution they get their ass handed out to them in the wilderness meaning they are ill equipped to deal with that situation. Without Esdeath they would've been steam rolled a long time ago.... Even them the society in the Empire is ripe with corruption and shady shit going on!!!
@@someguyparagon5273 In real life the Empire wouldn't have existed for 200 years. Esdeath is a dumb commander too all she is, is a sadist that should of been executed not given a world ending weapon that would totally not back fire on you in the hands of a psychopath that deserves to die.
the problem with infinite possibilities means that they can't stop Comstock completely, if there are Elisabeth's working against Comstock then there are also: Elisabeth's helping comstock against their will Elisabeth's helping comstock willingly Elisabeth's who ran away and never got caught. just as there would be Bookers who become comstock Bookers who stay booker Bookers who died at wounded knee Bookers who never joined the Military Bookers who never existed Bookers who became comstock and lost Bookers who became comstock and won Columbia loses Columbia wins Columbia makes a treaty with America so when they say " Elisabeth can see all realties and erased Comstock from infinity" they are full of shit
Riesemberg yeah rapture fell apart in the game so that would be kind of redundant. he could talk about how stupid it is to pretend to be a libertarian/an Arco capitalist and then not allow free trade like what the ideology doesn’t function if people aren’t free to trade with each other that’s kind of the entire point.
@@henryp9671 Ryan became what he hated the most: a Fascistic Dictator who stomped over every citizen in rapture, instead of a free-market society, he let monopolies to run the fuck out of Rapture as long as he had cash from them... it's pretty much spot-on the problem of absolute libetarian society; drugs will destroy the core of the population and mega corps will become the new goverment.
Zahylon yeah unless the population is armed and knows how to defend itself against potential governments emerging. But even before he became a dictator he still wasn’t an absolute libertarian because he didn’t believe in free trade. Also letting people use drugs if they want isn’t gonna destroy the core of society just like alcohol and gambling and every other vice some people can’t act responsibly but the majority know how to partake in moderation
To anyone wanting to suggest Cesar's legion from fallout new vegas, Oxhorn made a video on that exact topic which points out all the flaws in the legion and why Ulysses was right when he said it will collapse in on itself.
A symbolic saying of history repeating itself is always way too funny when you realized Caesar was too hell bent on conquering his old hometown the NCR that he didn't think of expanding further East. North or South to flank the Republic. This is Star Wars' level of dumb villainy.
@@tehhotline4225 It's not an "exploration." They don't "explore" the bad points of both sides - they just make the revolutionaries into re-skinned enemies for you to kill.
@CW It's funny how the left can burn cities down, demand segregation, vomit racism, murder people simply for being different from them. Yet they pretend it's some imaginary Alt-Right movement. They are the only hurting people trying to FORCE they're RULE on others. Plus they are the one's trying to rewrite history for they're benefit. Censor anyone who disagree with them. Wishing Death on people who don't agree with their Hatred. Yeah who's the violent hate filled Terrorists hurting people and destroying the cities? If Trump was half the Fascist they like to pretend he is, they're shit Riots would have been shut down day one. The Media that's constantly bashing him with they're lies would have been shutdown the Democrat's wouldn't be able to Bash him constantly. Ask Hitler how long people who bashed him were left alive? The fact they are still allowed to hurt people disprove they're own delusions.
@@TwistedSynn It's not like trump hasn't tried clamping down, it's not that he doesn't want to it seems to me like he is merely inept when it comes to it.
@@Sara3346 Or it's because the cities' mayors are refusing his help to quell the violence. www.web24.news/u/2020/07/seattle-refuses-intervention-by-federal-agents-in-protests.html
Just got to know, why are the black people even in Columbia? Sure, given the time period things were bad, but why did they believe things would be better on a floating fortress? They actually chose to be there as opposed to being kidnapped.
Who is next?
1. The Pakleds (Star Trek)
2. Bregna (Aeon Flux 2005)
3. The Quintessons (Transformers G1)
4 Panem (The Hunger Games movie franchise)
5. London (Mortal Engines 2018)
6. San Angeles (Demolition Man 1993)
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I know this isn't a Sci-fi Civilisation but I think it'd be nice to hear your opinion on Lord Sauron's Empire from The Lord of the Rings. I'm asking this because I'm curious how Sauron managed to sustain an Empire even though it's probably more brutal than Immortan Joe's Empire; if you want help with getting info, there's a channel named History Of Middle Earth and he has some good videos that may help you. You don't have to do it if you don't want to, don't get me wrong, this is just a suggestion. Have a nice day Zealot. =)
My vote is still for Panem. I just can't get over how dumb it was.
@@VitoIsPuffBunny that is true; there's also the fact that some or most Orcs were literally bread to be warriors; but I was more referring to the non orc rasis he had under his iron gauntlet, but still those are valid points I'm not going to lie. You know, speaking of their industrial knowledge, I don't think any other race in Middle Earth (outside of maybe the Dwarves) has the same level of armor, weapons and siege tools by their side. You know if they *really* put their heads together I think they might have made the first ever smoke powered ships and war charriets, now *THAT'S* a site worth fearing; we also know that they understand gunpowder so maybe they could've made the first rifles, alright I'm thinking too much into this.
@@tommyfox854 I've included Sauron and his forces in the _Villains Too Stupid To Win_ poll several times. Considering that option received a decent amount of votes on each occasion, I'm sure we will be seeing a Sauron episode sooner rather than later.
@@MediaZealot Holy molly I wasn't actually expecting you to see this, thank you for the wonderful surprise Zealot. And people really want to know just how screwed up Sauron's Empire is ay; expect me to watch that video as soon as I can. Again, thank you very much for the surprise and have a nice day. =)
Imagine creating a civilisation so stupid, that it literally goes back in time to undo itself.
God, the altitude sickness in Columbia has got to be absolutely gnarly.
It’s 15,000 feet in the air, the highest permanent human settlement is 17,800 feet
@@theclockworkknight1273 meaning the altitude sickness is either hell on earth or non-existent. How long has Columbia been going by the time you get to it in game? It possible for the citizens of Columbia to potentially evolved to adapt to the higher altitude?
@@raymondfisheriii791 it is possible they evolved to adapt the altitude as some humans evolved to other ways of life, there is a tribe Wich people are better swimmer, they see better underwater, are more resistant to pressure and can hold their breath for longer, so it is entirely possible someone develops specific traits for the environment they live in, BUT, they will have to pass several generations of illines and problems derivative of said envoirement, there are villages in Peru that are in high altitudes and kids often has some form of respiratory problems
@@eliavita The villages in Peru and Tibet are the ones that I was drawing inspiration from when I asked if they had adapted to the high altitudes, specifically. If they’re any indication of what’s possible if that’s the case, then the people of Columbia actually might have some surprising longevity on them in terms of natural lifespans, which doesn’t help them in a war scenario, but it is still interesting. If anything, it’s a reason for people to potentially want to move to Columbia, while also being a reason to keep Columbia distant and peaceful, or at least neutral.
First good legit criticism of a thing that actually doesn't make sense in Columbia which has nothing to do with jewish writers making it not make sense to make Whites look bad.
"Ever seen a nuke through one of those tares?"
Forget that, in 1984? A squadron of F-16's could take the city out.
I was wondering what you said but now...yah not only is America has superior weaponry, they got jets that can turn those blimps into bombs.
To be fair, we don't know what new developments Columbia would have managed to made in the decades between the Elizabeth we meet, and the old one attacking New York.
Justin Weber perhaps but as we see, we only got to see their usual bombarding with fire and bombs.
More importantly, Columbia would be desperately dependent on metal imports and similar things that they can't get themselves. Being a flying city means they can't mine. They have to either set aside their xenophobic beliefs to trade or take by force and piss everyone off.
F-16s? How about F-14 Tomcats, or F-86 Sabers... or P-51 Mustangs and F6F Hellcats strafing the city.
If things get really out of hands, then well... it IS just one city. A nuke would be more than enough
I think it's fair to point out that Colombia IS collapsing. Even if booker had never shown up it was going down the drain. Most of the faults listed in the video are entirely intentional and actually reflected in the story
Not really since dissenters like the Vox were basically stomped out
Well that's Colombia but what about Columbia?
@@visassess8607 It's always the o and the u confusion
@@oscargarciarey6355 Don't worry, everyone does
Plus, Colombia too is collapsing anyways
also try living at the altitude of 20k feet and not completely die from some brain aneurism
Columbia: "We're going to attack NYC in 1984 with zeppelins."
United States: "That's cute. Meet the F-15 Eagle and the F-16 Fighting Falcon."
even better: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIR-2_Genie
If they attacked America in 1984 then by then NATO would've been a thing for about 35 years and so America's Allies would've joined in on the fun as well
@@goofball3056 Interesting, but nuclear is always a bad idea, even more so when your enemy is a floating city. I imagine the fallout would get everywhere, and that's not even mentioning the potential for Columbia to go all Sokovia and make a crater.
@@ctdaniels7049actually more modern nukes don’t have fallout as much as the older one due to them using up most of the radioactive energy in the main blast
Don't forget the awesome F-14 Tomcat if it's anywhere near an ocean (which NYC is)
1984 invasion of the USA.
B-52 pilot: Command? Do I aim the nuke for the giant angel statue or this weird three-faced building?
@AKUJIRULE who then gets shredded by an A-10 Warthog. The 30mm cannon that thing is built around can shred any tank armor, song bird would be screwed.
@AKUJIRULE considering the crap I’ve pulled with an A-10 in Ace Combat, easy. The A-10 might pack the most powerful cannon on a single seat plane, but that’s the thing, it’s a fairly small single seater for the punch that it packs.
F-14 launching a Phoenix missile: HIIIIIIIIGHWAY TO THE DANGER ZONE
@@Moonstone-Redux😂 my thoughts exactly
@@Slender_Man_186reality warpers can beat the United States
I am glad this series came full circle to truly find a civilization literally too stupid to exist.
@Darth Revan I mean, thats basically exactly what did happen to Columbia, you literally see it collapsing throughout the game from all surrounding it.
Karl Marx was an idiot with no understanding of economics or human action. Don't conflate corporatism and freed markets.
@Jay Blake Oh, good. You don't even know what corporatism is. Don't waste my time.
@Jay Blake what a waste of time that is because Marx had a dumb interpretation of reality, and was a loser. His ideas never did anything he said they would, it just became a despotic hellhole every single time. Dumbass
@Darth Revan Well this is basically a way overblown South mixed with a bit of Rome but it doesn't detract from the fact that multiculturalism has ruined the West.
The one thing that got me was they were using blimps to fight a nation that probs had moved past that tech a couple of decades ago
Blimp, meet B-52 bomber
@@absolutelyyousless7605 Or Blimp meeting a Warthog that lasts a few seconds
Emperor Coke Lord “ahem” *BRRRRRRRRRT*
Yeah, you would think the future Columbia would be more advanced, but they're clearly using the same weapons and gear. So yeah, it's gonna be scary for a second when they descend over New York and start catapulting fire everywhere, and then they'll just get blasted into oblivion.
I think it’s safe to say that if the realities weren’t negated, Columbia would dominate the surface world before they had the tech to take out Columbia. We don’t know the full extent of power Columbia had through Elizabeth’s power.
_Don't tell me why_
_why we have racists in the sky_
@CK Lim That always confused me. I guess it's "they do the work that we don't" or something like that.
@CK Lim Yeah it really doesnt make sense
@CK Lim nope, we just want you to leave.
@CK Lim Yeah if you want to create a racially pure society do it why did you bring Blacks/Chinese/Irish up to Columbia anyway? Makes no sense.
@CK Lim its basically the devs saying "see they're ebil 1!!!11" as easy as they can
WHERE do they get the silver to manufacture money? WHERE do they get the logs to build housing etc? WHERE do they get the bricks?Where are the great pastures needed to grow cattle, pigs, vegetables? EVERYTHING is floating in the sky! The original Bioshock is far more believable.
The only thing that makes sense is they go to some uninhabited region like Siberia to get it
That dimensional rift generator? They could use that to gather resources.
@@Gothic7876 not quickly enough to supply a whole city.
@@apoch003 God must have been giving it to them.
They have a giant tube to suck up all the resources from the ground lmao
Every Bioshock game is a commentary on the dangers of extreme ideologies. If those ideologies seemed cartoonishly stupid, that's by design. Just like in the real world, there's no shortage of otherwise sane, rational people who are, uh, _less than rational_ when they discuss certain topics.
The Vox Populi did nothing wrong 🤷🏼♂️
Lol racism is considered extreme somehow? Non white races have always being viewed with suspiciously if not outright hostility, the only folly of his regime was probably the silly religious fanaticism and letting in people you already hate but for whatever reason need as a servant population
I think my biggest gripe about comstocks invasion plan is how late he does it. We wouldn’t even need nukes jets and tanks would do the work I doubt the slow wooden and brick houses of Columbia could withstand any kind of attack from a modern jet
Ya I feel like 1884 would have been a wiser century
Ya no he'd get wrecked easily 1980s we had stuff that could kill them all zero difficulty. Napalm ,nerve gas , helicopters, tanks, Jets, ground to air missles. And way more he would die so quick it would hoenslty be a waste of ammo
I beileve that the attack in 1984 was a final hurrah of Columbia to burn it to the ground kind of like a terrorist attack. Elizebeth said herself the insane run the asylum an thats probably what is shown here which is end result of Columbias mission.
Yeah! The US navy and Air Force would blow them out of the sky with no difficulty, ESPECIALLY when attacking such a critical city like NEW YORK!
@@godofvectors557 maybe if they first send in some spec ops with those mind control abilities to really soften up the US military they might have a chance to achieve something. Still cant really stop the entire world with the amount of population they have up there.
Villain's Too Stupid to Win: The Capitol (Hunger Games).
He has it listed under his "who's next" post as Panem (hunger games franchise).
@@ILikeMyPrivacytbt [in hosts voice] They don't even have the foresight to have a cannon ready.
You got your wish.
Love this series. My 2 favorite things. Other peoples stupidity and sci fi
Me too. But if I could add one more thing to the list, people explaining exactly why these sci fi people are stupid.
Wouldn't they all have the same answer? Poor writing?
@Jay Blake that's just you, you historically and economically illiterate invalid
Same, but if I ad one more thing its the SCP data base
You should check out my railgun factory 😁
1.- An oppressive inequitable society invites rebellion. 3:21
2.- Comstock attempts to kill Rosalind Lutece, the person primarily responsible for Columbia's technological advancement. But instead he transforms her and her "brother" into indomitable demigods. 11:22
3.- Comstock's kingdom was already vulnerable to collapse. His reckless actions and other policies increase the chances of disaster. 15:00
I mean...the way he put Columbia with it's police state thing, mistreatment of minorities and so on it sounds more like a more open borders Australia than America...
-Columbia plans to invade the surface in 1984.
-They gather maybe 10,000 super powered soldiers from their tiny population.
-Lets say they land troops in the USA and Canada.
-The USA mobilizes for war.
-Canada mobilizes for war.
-UK mobilizes for war.
-France mobilizes for war.
-West Germany mobilizes for war.
-Italy mobilizes for war.
-Spain mobilizes for war.
-Australia and New Zealand mobilize for war.
-Austria mobilize for war.
-Portugal mo... well, you know.
Brazil mobilizes for war
ARTICLE 5
Canadian Prime Minister: They landed a what? ...Dressed as what??
A10 spitting out freedom 🦅🦅
@heitormedina7098 yes, the lesser well known south american Rio Pact
Do the Covenant from Halo, they are right up your alley
Or even the UNSC. They (especially their military) seem to be almost a downgrade from modern Earth militaries.
@Spartan 506 Not nearly as good as they could have done had the pre-war government been more long-sighted and actually tried to improve the military. There are many examples of UNSC equipment and vehicles being inferior to or at most on par with modern tech.
Didn’t the precursors kill them self’s and create the flood at the same time
@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 Not at all. In fact, the UNSC's use of projectile weapons actually makes them one of the smarter/more realistic sci-fi factions. I'm talking more about how many UNSC weapons and vehicles are poorly designed in spite of this. They literally hold themselves back. I'll give some examples:
-The Scorpion fires a 90 mm shell. For reference, the M1 Abrams fires a 120 mm shell. Plus, the quad track design greatly increases and complicates maintenance.
-The Falcon has no doors, which increases drag and exposes the crew.
-The Warthog would not fit the needs of most modern militaries. It is only really good for recon. Even then, the UNSC should have the tech to make the turret on it remotely controlled like with the Scorpion. At least build an alternate version of the Humvee.
-The assault rifle has atrocious spread. That wastes ammo, reduces accuracy, and range.
-The battle rifle should have an automatic mode. It is wasting much of its potential by not.
-The shotgun is useless beyond 3 meters (except in Halo CE and maybe Halo Infinite) and is still a pump action. We have modern shotguns that are semi-auto or even fully automatic nowadays.
-The grenade launcher fires just one shell and has terrible range compared to modern launchers.
-Come to think of it, there are no grenade launchers attached to standard rifles, which we have.
-The UNSC barely uses artillery.
@@bindukopparapu2795 the unsc was also dealing with the rebels pre covenant which was ass also everything about the guns and their spread and such is just game balance, it would be boring if we went too realistic.
Can’t wait to see this comment section turn into a political warzone.
Hi, Doc. How's Clef? Still sore after the incident with the girl?
Not seeing it so far, how would that ever work? Would one side be in favor of a society like Columbia?
@Jay Blake i love capitalism
@Jay Blake Capitalism is great
@Jay Blake What? I recalled more xenophobia, nationalism, racism, and religious extremism. Rapture was more about unchecked capitalism.
I think I learned more about the story of this game than playing the actual game.
Then I dont think you were paying much attention.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 It's a dumb game.
It is, but the storybeats were pretty obvious. Almost as evident as the padding.
For a man who can supposedly see the future, the society he built is incredibly vulnerable to numerous shortcomings. If it wasn’t intentional, he’s a quack.
Seeing that when Columbia attacks new York their technology hasn't really changed since 1912 and they attacked the 80s U.S. so they would've been tooken out really quickly by fighter jets, bombers ,ground to air missles, etc. Its like attacking a bear with a small rock
Their "1912" technology included cyborgs, railguns, magic powers and flying cities powered by quantum manipulation. I'm not sure about a fighter jets success rate here.
@@yaldabaoth2 that still can't defeat the might of the entire U.S. military
@@yaldabaoth2 US in the 80s is nothing to scoff at
Yaldabaoth not to mention mutated people who can wield fireballs, electricity, summon murderous crows, and possession that can possess people and machines
@@akessel92train Mounted .50 Cal beats wizard every time bro. Not to mention 23mm autocannon, 40mm auto grenade launcher, 60/80/120mm mortars... That's not even counting the heavy stuff like proper artillery and basllistic missiles. Tactical nukes were a thing too.
Underrated channel
Really underrated
I'm glad they were able to portray Fascism accurately. Nothing sounded more than superficially fascist until you said the State controlled the monopoly.
real Fascists wouldn't be so incompetent or use religion as a means of retaining power.
@@christopherbravo1813 actually real facist use everything to retain power whether religion or something that replaces religion
Here's a theory, because they brought Booker to colombia 122 times his exposure across realities to the quantum fields has caused him to become a more evolved, transcendent being, represented by the moment the player, a being beyond the understanding or scope of view of any characters in the game, picks up the controller.
And by only jumping the hoops through previously "failed" branches that Booker managed to defeat, or realized, that he had to smother the baby in the crib. No meaning to nitpick, but the Lutece twins were as equally dumb when it took them that many attempts to realize one single person on one timeline can't do shit.
Floating City of Columbia: An interesting idea at the cost of any genuine sense.
Ya it would have to be religious in some way. As though Comstock was really god. Maybe the ending could show Booker surviving as a twist.
I guess that’s Bioshock in general. It requires a level of suspension of disbelief to accept the world you’re in. But the thing is, Bioshock 1 fleshes the city out in ways that feel natural. Like, how is they get oxygen? Where is people live? What do they do for fun? It answers those questions, and also shows how those answers aren’t enough for people, hence the collapse.
But Infinite? I’m willing to accept a floating city using early to mid-1900s tech, with powers commercially available as drinks. Kinda ridiculous but it’s cool so I’m down. But then they add in the time-travel/dilation/quantum entanglement shit and it begs more questions than it attempts to answer, so, breaks the suspension of disbelief.
Yeah this game while interesting lacked the logic of past BIoshocks. The time travel and alternate dimension bit didn't help. Made no sense what so ever for Booker to get killed to save the multi verse. Why does adult Booker who had the daughter dying save the multi verse unless he is killed before she was born or something.
And again with infinite possibilities would they all exist again some where any ways? This just felt like the all to common "Bad end" in where you work hard all game and get shafted as the hero in the end.
That was my biggest problem with the game and few seemed to talk about it. In a world of *infinite* universe, killing one timeline of Bookers solves nothing. Not to mention it's a Grandfather paradox to boot.
@Bolivian-Lament Honestly it kind of was. It was at least self consistent within it's own rules. Other than the weird freaky science of splicing powers it was a fairly logical set up. Guy rebels against the government and builds his own city/country under the sea.
Problem with total freedom and dare say it Anarchy is you can't control or rule it and control of the city fell from his hands. In the end Ryan acted more like the Government he complained about in his opening dialogs, all to control his citizens and keep them productive while reaping all the benefits of their work for himself.
"Youd think a floating city would make it impossible to go underground"
:'D perfect
1:38 So Mormon Heaven according to Brigham Young, who Comstock has to be at least partially based on.
Here's another one.
Advanced civilizations too stupid to really exist Fallouts brotherhood of steel or Fallouts Legion
How about the Caesar's Legion?
@@S3rp3nte yeah that's what I'm referring to when I said legion. Sorry if that wasn't clear
Isn't the legion explicitly a transitory things for Caesar?
@@emperoremperor1486 The problem with that is Ceaser is counting on A: succeeding Hoover Damn and B: there be tribes to help sustain him past the Colorado. Everyone with some contact to the Legion and some form of book smarts (Ulyssus, Grahm, even Vulpes to a degree) agrees that when Ceaser dies or they reach the west coast, the Legion will collapse on itself. And I'd not trust even Ceaser to try and reverse his band of techless slaver barbarians into a functional society. And as a reminder, without the Courier's intrusion if you choose so, Ceaser is also suffering a brain tumor, leading his empire on shaky ground before he even reaches California.
the fallout factions really to stupid to exist are any faction from fallout 3 or 4, the legion is actually winning, people keep using the argument that isn´t built for the long term, but the fact is we never get to see Caesars plan post hover dam, but it is clear from what little we get out of the design documents that he views the legion in its current form as more of a stepping stone towards a greater synthesis, a new rome if you will. Now the fact that the legion collapses upon his death is due to him being a narcist, but there are plenty of historical empires centered around strong charismatic leader figures that collapsed almost the instant the individual in question died, name atillas huns for example, it doesn´t render these empires dumb or any less real.
in fairness, most of this sounds pretty plausible and we've seen societies in real life that have had these beliefs. They may not last forever but could last a while, like plantation slavery did.
Reminder that slavery existed way before the US colonies were even founded.
Reminder that the US was one of if not the first to practice racial chatter slavery.
Reminder slavery still exists in 2021.
thanks for all the "reminders" guys, i'm not sure what relevance any of them have to the actual point....
@@dave4deputyZX shhh they are trying to have a big brain moment.
I've been thinking of the primary difference between Infinite and Bioshock 1/2 narrative wise. What I've come up with:
Rapture is a plausible setting, if not actually a 'possible' setting. Sure, an underwater city around midcentury isn't necessarily something that does exist in real life, but with Ryan's motivations and all the environmental storytelling, it makes sense internally.
Columbia is both an impossible and implausible setting. It's a floating city in the sky, and that setting is based more on "we need another wacky setting to contrast with the last game!" than anything naturally occurring from the time period or setting. There were plenty of zealous, cultist protestant sects and racial apartheid states in the continental U.S. circa 1890. Why... did Columbia have to escape into the clouds again? And of course there's the rather odd choice to have this American chauvinist isolationist cult be completely dependent on a secular Brit to keep their floating city, well, afloat.
Not to mention importing vast amount of non-white slave labour. If you want an ethnostate, why would you do that?
They wouldn’t care about her being British, since advocates of white ethno-states are perfectly whine with European immigrants. Her being secular was probably hand waved by the founders. The implication is that Lutese needed Comstock for funding and resources.
@@willhiggins9563 But importing nonwhites into their ethnostate is fine according to them?
@DEEPFOXJUDE yeah that still doesnt make that much sense but okay you do you
@@Nukestarmaster the game says because the slaves were cheap labor but all labor was cheap in the industrial revolution
Is no-one going to mention how @Media Zealot pronounces Comstock at 17:03?
Seriously?!
I can't be the only one to notice that.
Camsock
As far as I can tell it was fully intentional.
Advanced Sci-fi Civilizations Too Stupid To Really Exist - The Orokin Empire.
Lol, even the game reveals why the Orokin made mistakes. A goldmine, where to even begin?
Noah G who are the Orokins?
@@DS-tv2fi Warframe Precursor empire.
the11382 Ah. Thank you. Never got around to warframe.
MY WARFRAME IS STRONG
“as long as you’re a rich, white, obedient, christian” lmao!!!
For Star Trek, the biggie for idiots have to be the *Klingons…*
A society where you can kill a superior and take their place in the hierarchy just results in the best individual combatants getting to the top, not the best qualified people for the job.
And you can lose the best engineer, scientist, pilot, or strategist in a generation just cause they had a bad day against a young up and coming knife fighter.
It must surely also lead to paranoia in the ranks, like with Gawron's treatment of Martok. Talented subordinates are a threat to your life.
Then there is Ezri Dax's assessment of how the Klingon Empire is going to collapse due to hypocrisy and tolerance of dishonor.
Yet the Klingons have a lot of biological advantages, so they should be far more successful.
Their natural lifespans are approximately twice as long as humans (not that many live that long) and their childhood is far shorter, about half of a humans, so child rearing a isn't a major part of a adults life.
To translate to a human, raising a child to adulthood would take about 4 - 5 years of a Klingons lifespan.
Then add in their amazing resilience to injury and disease (they were the only known species immune to the phage), their backup internal organs and their increased strength, and a individually Klingon should be able to survive injury far better.
If humans suddenly got the health of Klingons it would revolutionise human society (and end Covid-19 in its tracks), education, childcare and medicine and disabilities.
Yet they suck at running a civilization, more so than even Humans in our current form!
Imagine if the Klingons had adopted Vulcan emotional control techniques, they would be very powerful.
Instead they just tear themselves apart regularly, and the only thing that saves them is finding a external foe to beat up on for a while.
Considering that the Klingons border the Federation and the Romulans and that the Borg exist, the Klingons have plenty of common foes. As for Klingons adopting Vulcan emotional control techniques, no. We do not need more smug condescending jackasses in Star Trek.
Also your toughest brawler is sitting in some chair getting fat.
Courtnee Draper does do a beautiful rendition of "Will the circle be unbroken" in the game, honestly I prefer Metal but its my favorite hymn now because of her.
Comstock believes he's a god but in the wise words of Spawn
"Who made you god little man? Not that gun, not that uniform. Nothing"
Media Zealot, tell me, what are some of the biggest glaring flaws that one could/should avoid when creating a sci-fi civilization? Things to make them more believable, or, at the very least, more sophisticated in a way that you could be interested in. It's not that I'm searching for validation from strangers, but unfortunately I am heavily influenced by a lot of these franchises that you have been going over, and I want to avoid copying the flaws of their narrative structure, and the civilizations therein.
Disregard for economics.
Here's one that will get you thinking. How does the good guy defeat the bad guy, but still leave a plausible scenario for a sequel? There are only so many ways this can be done. Rabid fans will examine every moment of your story to find inconsistencies and plot holes. Whatever you do, don't add a Snoke to your plot. Modern audiences are more willing to put their disbelief on hold if it's a good story that they want a sequel for. Use real life as your guide but inevitably the world has to revolve around the fictional aspects that make it sci-fi. You have to acknowledge that to make a fun story, the existence of strange things is normal in your universe. The best universes have a blend of grimy and used and shiny and new. Subtle nods to similar situations in other sci-fi universes pleases the rabid fan. Don't write it for an audience at first. Put in everything that you want for yourself. If you want an enormous space battle with massive starships then put it in there, but realise that you now have a high tech universe that has a back story. It also has a future and every one of your characters wants to see that future. They don't create a world where chaos reigns in case they are the first victim of the chaos. But creating chaos makes a great story, so you must invent a plausible reason for chaos to ensue. As a rule, don't add a Snoke. McGuffins are common but the quality of the writer determines the quality of the McGuffin. Study your McGuffins and all shall be revealed. Don't have a world where one idiot could nuke everything. I think that's one thing all of us Media Zealots would say. See, just blowing everything up is a bit of a cop out. Self preservation really is a thing. The scariest bad guys have a hint of truth about them. Like Trump. People don't just change their minds because some upstart says it's a corrupt regime. They support that corrupt system, so you have to have a reason why they should change their loyalties. In reality, that's difficult without having fleets of enormous starships full of turbolasers to help them make that decision. And a death star. Don't forget the death star. Nah, I'm joking. Death stars tend to retard possible outcomes since the absolute necessity of destroying it before it destroys another Alderaan is paramount. It's the same as using nukes. After having said all of that, you will probably break all of these rules if that's what making a successful story requires. If you didn't, Media Zealot would have nothing to play with!
@@badmoonrisin4700 I like all the points you are bringing up! Thanks! Here's a question, what are your thoughts on a Sauron? Basically, a more down-to earth servant of a cosmic bad-guy who takes centre stage in absence of his master. What do you think of Sauron characters? Should they be built up as once-dead or should the story focus on how they gained notoriety and uniqueness apart from their master?
think about your economy
for example if your city is super racist and has a super oppressed underclass
you will see rebellion and eventually one of them will work.
Logistics, or in other words, does this civilization even have the resources to actually exist? A good example of this flaw would actually be Columbia, where do they get their food? Rapture has gardens that we visit and fight through, fish literally everywhere, and even a packaging plant. Where is Columbia’s equivalent? Ask yourself those kinds of questions.
Civilizations to stupids to really exist
Looks out the window
Eh, I have a sugestion
Do “those who came before” (or whatever Ubisoft calls them these days) from Assassin’s creed. They were originally an ambiguous, almost lovecraftian plot device but then Ubisoft gave them lasers and made them stupid.
They've got a name now, it's "Isu", and dear god you're right, the more they reveal about them, the lamer they get.
They gave them an actual name, the Isu. I'm not too bothered by more glimpses into their time and technology, but even I think that is something that should've been left unnknown.
@@thedude5294
That's usually how it works.
Look at Wolverine, or Star Wars.
There are some things that just don't need to be explained.
@@anaveragegamingchannel1843 Thank you for acknowledging this obvious fact.
There just your run-of-the-mill intelligent beings who thought organic slaves were a better idea than robot and were wiped by them
What a coincidence: I had finished _BioShock: Infinite_ and its storyline DLC not too long ago. While I enjoyed the game, I did find the story difficult to understand. Your video cleared it up, though.
Same I beat the game like 4 times and I still don't understand the whole story
I am pretty sure it origionally had a very different story since in an early video it had the people hanging elezebeth. Honestly think it was terrible.
That's the plot of power rangers shattered grid.
The Plasmi- uh, I mean, Vigors, are a missed opportunity. They feel like they HAVE to be there, because the name of the game has BIOSHOCK in it, as opposed to the first 2, where they were more entwined with the story. Also, I heard Infinie had a 2-weapon limit (kinda ironic, then), which is a HUGE step down from carrying ALL of them.
I mean, they are different enough to have their own feeling to them compared to Plasmids. Undertow, Charge, Back to Sender ect. Even the fire, electricity, and raven/different bees are a bit different. Especially when you can combine Vigor attacks
I may be a patriot, but thank God I'm not a zealot.
You'd think after reading all the glowing reviews when the game first came out you would be alone in thinking the story and setting was more stupid then it actually was.
I'm glad I wasn't the only crazy one.
me, listening to the description of the place: *nods* hmm yes, Twitter's impression of america
edit: lmao imagine blimps against Tom Cruise in the ol' F-14
-can create Cyborg tecnology
-Still need slave labor
Just Why???
Racist's aren't exactly known for their intelligence, in fact I'm surprised they didn't use the cyborg technology as a means of both enhancing the ability of and controlling their slave labour. A practical use of such cybernetics as a control mechanism would be to replace a vital organ and do what they did in Fallout New Vegas by making a invisible force field, if they try to cross it without appropriate override codes from their master their artificial organs intentionally malfunction in a manner meant to cause torturous pain.
Cheaper and easier in the short term, most likely
The society in We Happy Few might fit in this series, but I think that might be a bit of a stretch... plenty to talk about though
At least this Civilisation was too stupid to survive by design by the developers.
I can think of a another reason Columbia brought in non-whites. It used to be a popular theory among old-timey communists that racism was something deliberately propagated by the rich capitalists to keep the working class divided instead of realizing they had a common enemy in the rich capitalists. While of course in real life things aren't that simple (people don't need a sinister conspiracy to tell them to fear and hate those different from them, and being rich doesn't make you evil in and of itself), in Columbia that was probably a large part of it. As long as the middle and working-class whites of Columbia were kept in a state of constant fear of the non-whites, they wouldn't have time to reflect on how they themselves were being used by The Founders.
Great but can't I watch one video without one person reminding me, "Orange man bad."?
Right though.
As a Columbian I also think our society is too stupid to exist.
One always Puzzled me in here.
If they are so racist and such, why they wouldn't yeet everyone they hate of Columbia and just replace them with machines. That never added up for me. If they can build clock works capable of sing heavy weapons, they could equally make robots and clockworks cleaning around and toiling at worst physical labour.
According to the comments they just only got into mechanizing the place. But you're right why on god green earth would a bunch of basically a bunch of white supreme want to get races that they despise so much into their little paradise causing massive internal conflict in their government and society
@@dean_l33 Irrational went truly "irrational" on this one.
And yeah I forgot about that with automatons.
Still they could at least let people of same beliefs immigrate, into the Columbia.
My guess, they couldn't feel like big shots without having someone to lord their wealth and power over.
Machines being too specialized to actually do the work is a possibility. Lacking someone to lord power over and abuse with impunity is another given a lot of racists literally can't handle having nobody to feel superior to.
@@6611nitro Wait then wouldnt the whites that moved to Columbia is enough. I mean its not like they can actually fight back agaisnt the founder and just say that those were born from non whites or whatever bs so they can feel almighty again
A lot of the social commentary in this video proves you are not familair with American history lol
you say "heavily armed" like it's a bad thing....
Heaven is supposed to be peaceful
@@Bruh-hq1hx PEACE THROUGH POWER! KANE LIVES!
@@Bruh-hq1hx How can there be peace without a few peacemakers?
@@eefthebeef3047 if there is noone to sho- um liberate
@@Bruh-hq1hx ?
This is why I like dystopian stories. Because it shows us one of many ways how our world could've been if things like humanity's worst tendencies overruled them and those tendencies were racism, fascism and ultranationalism as the ruling ideologies and that is why it is called dystopian because it usually shows the worst possible futures that could or would've come to past if we sacrificed reason and common sense.
one's man dystopia is another utopia, looking at those radical 2nd amendment confederate sympathizers
Bioshock infinite, the problem with born again christians
I love how Daisy is "genius level", but not smart enough to go... Literally anywhere else on earth...
You try to leave Columbia.
Yeah but it her home and sometimes you are stubborn and don’t want to leave
@@0816M3RC bruh, just use a parachute
@@spinosaurusstriker The Founders wake up and find their free labour class paraglided away in a single night.
Columbian artifacts are found in the Alps, Himalayas and Andes mixed with chewed bones.
I absolutely the the Leuteces în this game and everything they are: a walking Deus Ex Machina. If they know that this is the fate of all who mess with that machine then why not just find another Letuce and make them recreate the machine and blow it up and become immortal and omnipotent too? I MEAN that is exactly what Comstock wants! Or if leaving a pinky in another reality is all it takes to make someone godlike then why didn't Comstock chuck his hair and fingernails all across reality and become a god too?!
I believe it's called the idiot ball. It's a trope where a character just starts acting stupid or fails to see the obvious solely to keep the plot. It's a sign of bad writing.
I have been thinking about this ever since I played the game.
It's even worse in the dlc where(SPOILERS) Elizabeth loses her powers(really, why can't she just recreate the accident that made her godlike???).
I don't think I would want to be immortal like they are seems like it be real Boring with out company
Did you mean to say loathe or was typing ''the'' twice intentional?
You're right. By that perspective literally everyone is too stupid to exist if they aren't making themselves into gods.
I'm surprised you haven't tried to tackle any of the civilizations/factions found in Warhammer 40k. Let's look at a few.
- Imperium of Mankind: A theocratic Oligarchy that is a cross between the British/Russian/Roman Empires in Space that is so heavily fractured and counter intuitive that the only reason it has not collapsed into smaller empires is humanities singular devotion to the God-Emperor of Mankind.
- The Eldar: Hedonistic Space Elves that were so corrupt and morally bankrupt that they birthed a demonic god (aka Slaanesh) into existence. Dooming their entire civilization, empire, and wiping out 90% percent of their population all for hardcore BDSM with no safeword. Fracturing their people into either the space amish exodites, the spacefaring and heavily regimented gyspies like Craftworlders, the swashbuckling corsairs... and the literal soul sucking, sadomasochistic degenerates of the Druhkari who have turned torture to an artform.
- The T'au: A race so hopelessly naïve that they sent a contingent of their people as emissaries to the Druhkari.
- The orks: hyperviolent (and exceptionally durable) morons with a kratocratic (might makes right) form of governing who's people are just as happy to fight each other (even within the same warband) as they are a common enemy. Their latent psychic powers generally only manifest as a gestalt of mob mentality right down to powering their technology in a haphazard "Clap Your Hands If You Believe". The only reason Orks have become the most numerous species fungoid reproductive process. The greenskin bastards literally reproduce by belching and farting fungal spores into the environment that change the surrounding area into fungal-orkoid ecosystem designed to cater the Orks needs.
- The Necrons: Space zombie/undead/robots who committed mass suicide at the species level by creating their gods, the C'tan, to help them destroy all other life out of petty spite.
- The Old Ones: either extinct or pretty damn close to extinction race who created the orks to fight in their war against the C'tan and their necron servants. Oh, and they forgot to put an off switch on their orkoid weapons.
To be fair the Tau didnt really know what it was doing. Thats like you going to a party and finding out the owner is a serial killer and me laughing at your stupidity after i find your mangled corpse. Alltho because their nearby enemies are numbered in the quantillions i wonder how they survive there. But yeah 40k has a lot of stupidity in it but most of it is intentional.
I have to say, you’ve got some balls.
The first video game series you do and it’s Bioshock. You could have went with something easy and dumb (there are too many to name), but you went for the sequel to one of the greatest games of the decade. You are either a genius or a mad man.
My decisions are usually based on selfish concerns. Bioshock Infinite is one game, with a definitive end, and no suggestion of a direct sequel. To me that's easy. Rapture/Covenant/Brotherhood of Steel and a lot of the other game suggestions will be extremely difficult (though I will definitely roast all of them eventually, I just need to complete some preliminary work before listing them as a voting option).
Yeah its always a risk making fun of popular content, but let me just say this, when it comes to video games, I am going to try and veer towards games which I love. And FYI I can't wait to do Rapture. I didn't even like FPS games until I discovered Bioshock 1. I was so compelled by the story, I had to develop my FPS skills to simply get through it.
I'd like to think people are able to see the distinction between my in-universe criticisms and the actual quality of the game/movie (as I'm sure you do). If people want reviews they should go check out Red Letter Media and the like.
@@MediaZealot I don't think you're giving yourself enough credit. What you do certainly has entertainment value but it can be valued as criticism. Plotholes and characters behaving uncharacteristically stupidly are genuine flaws. If anything, your videos provide an amusing thought exercise that can expose the kind of lazy writing that too often plagues our media.
The only thing I can say is that an easy pitfall for you to fall into would be to ignore circumstances where civilizations or villains are genuinely written to be stupid and destined to fail. For example, Rapture is doomed to fail and this is recognized by the writers. Rapture does actually fail, it's ruins are where the game takes place. Invader Zim's antagonist is stupid but this is done on purpose as it is part of Zim's character. Perhaps in addressing these civilizations and villains it would be better to leave their stupidity as a question and conclude at the end of your video whether they are really too stupid to exist.
I appreciate your reply and take everything I said with a grain of salt as it is undoubtedly fueled by my envy towards you for coming up with such a good idea.
Genius or mad man, you be surprised how often those traits coincide
@@MediaZealot it seems to me that most people in the comments who are roasting it are people who dislike the game.
@@davidgribble6313 it's an okay tunnel shooter game but the plot makes no actual sense at all(even if you understand it 100%) and the worldbuilding is kinda shitty beyond the graphics. well not even kinda but actually really bad beyond how the city looks.
I hope you don't mind if I suggest this: Ceasar's Legion in fallout new vegas, particularly Ceasar himself.
Would they count as "advanced" though? They're explicitly Luddites and make a point of shunning technology where feasible.
@@CrowTR0bot he also has a series covering non science fiction “Villians too stupid to win.”
@@CrowTR0bot And yet Caesar owns a personal technologically advance autodoc.
4:40 Consisdering they are on a literal flying island I am mostly confused why they even took blacks along.
The devs needed something
I read in one of the notes it was built by America and a free city for a while.
But a vox by Fink says he also kept bringing them in for cheap labor and menial tasks.
The same reason america imported Africans to use as slaves, obviously
Small nitpick, the twins aren't actually siblings, they're the same person but different genders. 10:45 it's not really a self fulfilling prophesy if Elisabeth killed their leader and caused that reaction
The US would have shot them out of the sky on day 1. What year is it again?
That they would. Both as an actual threat and punishing them for being an awful society.
It's 1912 and the Yanks have not noticed anything. Even if it's 150000 feet (ish) up, somebody should notice the abnormal Flying Object on the West Coast.
The Boxer Rebellion in our world lasted from 1899-1901, but may have been shorter in the Columbia Universes.
At the end, the President told them to stop bombing China, so Columbia left, likely outside of US gun range
I hate the whole of Christianity becomes a racist thing.
Racism literally breaks one of Jesus' two rules.
Except for all those times he talks about slavery in a very positive light...
@@jakespacepiratee3740 what slavery has to do with racism?
You better tell that to the Christians. I don't think they're aware.
They've been using the old bible to justify their racism for the last.... 2020 years, give or take.
@Иван Иванов oof hot take
@@zombielizard218 there's a lot of black Saints that were canonized a long time ago good example is st Maurice died in 287 and in I think 920 became the patron Saint of HRE emperors.
Extremism in any direction always leads to the fall.
it is kind of a circle both extremes of either end always meet at the same end result authoritarianism. just choose your colour and name of your oppression.
Not horseshoe theory please
@@comradesushi3722 extremism is what it is you do not get many outcomes with it.
@Jay Blake Communists and Nazis were the same, especially since the Communists adopted racial shit as of late.
@Jay Blake BioShock literally holds these values, it shows that extremism always ends in near certainty.
The first one ultra capitalism, the second one a communist Utopia.
Infant a fastest xenophobic Utopia.
Excellent series!
Some suggestions:
- Warhammer 40k Imperium (which I love but is clearly completely dysfunctional
- Star Trek Federation - senior officers on every mission, no proper seat belts, no armour, moneyless society so no incentive, holographic pleasure rooms
Did I hear someone inciting criticism on the Imperium? ☺
*brings up the heavy bolter
to be fair, the Imperium was written spesifically to be as terrible as possible. all of WH40k is like that. its grim dark, so everything must be shitty, every. single tiny. detail, has to make your life miserable.
logically it doesn't have to make sense. at this point its just dark comedy
AND STILL
its the best way to for humans to live considering the every day threat of: chaos cults and demonic possesions, gene-stealer cults, and a never-ending war with every single species in the galexy
"Moneyless society so no incentive".
Guess our ancestors should have just lazed around in the jungles, I guess. My people didn't have money either, and we still created a society.
You don't understand humanity. That's okay. Just don't pretend that you do.
@@DreamersOfRealitySoo you'd be okay working for no money?
Considering that Bioshock Infinite is an incredibly braindead game through and through that for some reason got circle-jerked for being "SO DEEP AND MEANINGFUL" when it originally came out, it's cathartic to have so many people looking back on it now and pointing out how abysmally stupid the writing and setting both are.
I think the comparison to Trump actually weakened your argument. Especially since it was lazy. As for the rest of the episode, it was ok, even if it was low hanging fruit. Personally, I just they depicted a "bad guy" civilization in a way that could be functional.
Exactly. This is little more than saying "so and so is exactly like Hitler because I painted a funny Hitler mustache on them. I win the argument."
Trump's own daughter converted to Judaism after marrying a Jew and yet Trump, who is suppose to be the reincarnation of Hitler, was totally okay with it.
Trump was pro-gay marriage back when most Democrats, including Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, opposed it.
Trump enacted prison reform while Democrats only talked about it.
None of these are the actions of either Hitler or a straw conservative like Comstack would do yet that doesn't stop leftists from lying on Trump.
@@CrossoverManiac Trump hired Stormy Daniels for sex, paid her off to never speak about it, lied about it, and still (as seen in the video) goes out for photo-ops holding a Bible upside down.
You can see the hypocrisy, surely.
I mostly love this game,but these are all 100 percent valid
its always a good day when media zealot uploads
also can you do the cylons
So, basically COmstock is like Muhammad?!
I'm glad Ken Levine was so against racism, he made the only black person relevant to the story be a child murdering psycho who gets killed by his OC waifu... Oh wait...
Yeah, the game's biggest misstep was making a false equivalence between the racist ultranationalist elitist overlords and the downtrodden minorities who didn't want those people stomping on their necks.
@@CrowTR0bot To be fair, previously oppressed people can quickly become oppressor's themselves and that may have been a commentary on that. There are plenty of black people that are extremely bigoted and racist for example can commit hate crimes due to that.
What I think is ridiculous is that a civilization that I’m stuck in the 1910s think it can bear a more advance nation from the 1980s. Some crap has happened since then.
I mean, they had quite the tech headstart so it's reasonable to assume they were far more prepared by the time they invaded in the 80s. However, they could probably just get nuked.
If youre doing videogames now definitely do the covenant from halo
Funny enough remove the hover chair prophets and the Covenant is a decent empire all in all, it functions well enough.
I actually hated everything about this game. Loved the first two, but this one should have been completely unrelated, or at least loosely related to the franchise and omitted "Bioshock" from its title. All the mythos, lore, and plot in this game were so convoluted and confusing. Hated the game mechanics and game play too. I gave it a decent shot. Even got more than 75% of the way through, but my interest had dwindled over time while my contempt grew. I never felt immersed or emotionally invested while playing. I just finally left it behind and played the other 2 several times over since. Rapture was far more captivating, the plots were both intelligent and easily navigable and digested. The characters far more compelling and relatable, motivations more plausible and believable. Infinite was a hot mess inside a dumpster fire at the center of a manure processing plant. I know a lot of people liked it, but it was not a game for me. The whole floating city in the sky thing was just silly and never sat right with me. If they wanted to do an outlandish new setting for a sequel they should have chose a Lunar or Martian base, or better yet, a base on one of the ice moons around Jupiter or Saturn with a habitat extending both above the icy surface and below, allowing a Rapture like feel with alien marine life, or genetically modified Earth marine life populating the oceans. Since the first Bioshocks were set in the 60s, at a time when NASA was in its infancy, a sequel taking place in the 70s or 80s on a different planetary body in space would make way more sense than the reversion back to an early 20th century city in the clouds.
Love the Trump insults. You people let him live in your head rent free, and it’s hilarious :)
Comstock creates a massive legend around himself, but continually imports people who know how and why it's BS?
1:38 - 1:43
I have to be honest, that does actually sound like heaven to an unfortunately large number of US citizens.
Man, this game hits different in 2020.
Why?
Why?
Your use of Tuvok never ceases to amaze me.
Thank you for making this video. I love BS 1 and 2, but having twice played infinite at launch and recently at the remaster on ps4 I just cannot get into it. The spoilers come hard and fast and it's an interesting story (kinda sad at the end) but man it's really interesting what the deal is with the twins and the alternate realities! And yeah, by 1984 the USA would have topgun fighters to take out Columbia? God I can't stand the theocracy setting.
1914 Columbia has at least semi atonomous robots the us still doesn't
@@SuperDeadzombeh and they don’t mean a damn thing when those clockwork men are being torn to bits by missiles and machine gun fire.
@@Slender_Man_186 my point was assuming a nation that take tech from different timelines and time periods completely stagnated and eemaines unchange or unoptomized for 70 years is unrealistic
@@SuperDeadzombeh when you “kill” the people who gave you the ability to travel through time and steal future tech, you’d eventually stagnate.
@@Slender_Man_186 not if your led by someone who can do it without them
On top of everything else, I think the timeframe from Wounded Knee to the building of Columbia is something like three years? In any event, it's incredibly short.
you sound angry in this episode I guess its too hard to separate this from reality.
Yeah remember when you only had to worry about two liars on stage, now you got a ego crazed man and the other Cleary not mentally well enough to run for president.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD at least the ego crazed man can prove he managed to solve SOME problem in the world - you cant argue how big the Serbia-Kosovo relation normalization is, Serbia look at Kosovo in the same manner as a certain WW2 nation looked at a certain race (and im not exasperating, im a Hungarian living in Hungary -we are literally the northern neighbors of Serbia and their talk about "assimilating us back into slaves" - forcefully i want to add that - like it is completely normal thing to do - that deranged country we are talking about here).
And unlike the middle east deal you cant even find the excuse to say "two US ally make deal with eachother, whats the deal?", because Serbia is a NATO and US adversary and HATE the US (its on the same level as making Russia give back Crimea for Ukraine except Serbia hate america and the west in general INFINITELY MORE than Russia does).
In my book this ego crazed man already did more for the betterment of the world than a certain other one who won a Nobel Peace Prize for bombing the shit out of everyone who dared to even just question what America is doing. But what do i know, im just a random Hungarian from the Post-communist half of Europe, im clearly not "ideologically educated" to understand whats this Trump Derangement is all about in the first place....
he always sounds like this
@@attilaedem101 No don't get me wrong i do want the ego crazed one to win. I'm just wondering how we got to this point.
@William Smith maybe.
Yeah, I have a tad too much melanin in me to want to live in that floating fascism fortress.
Yeah, I bet they wouldn't let you loot their stores, lmao
@@Andriej69 that is important to me
Being Mixed Race...I Really Like The Idea Of Alot Of Racists Literally Flying The Hell Away From Me Yo :)
@@lentarian4065 You mean ACTUAL racists, or just the ppl YOU don't like?
@@Andriej69 I Mean Racists In Particular
16:00 I like your content, but you'd do well not to weigh in on politics which you scarcely understand.
you know i'm just glad someone is talking about this game. I haven't heard people talk about this game in years.
Can make a whole city fly, but still needs slave labor...
Anyone can be vulnerable to economic fallacies.
they dont need they want.
A flying city doesnt clean your house or unpacks your ships.
@@einen9325 They have cyborgs and automatons, they don't need slave labor, they want it.
Need or want in this case is relative to how you view it in context. They don't need the labor in the sense that the economy depends on it. They do need it for the project that is the city, with the values and world order it's meant to preserve.
@@isaachinds3736 That's still slave labor
How about a series of Medieval factions too stupid to exist like the Empire from Akame Ga Kill?
Nice to see someone else who's a fan of Akame ga kill despite its flaws...
On the other hand the Empire in that show/manga in general has some really really really fucked up things that makes people wanna go on a revolution....
I could list a number of them namely you would think that the Emperor (the kid) would see through his lying sack of shit fat bastard of his advisor but nooooooooo by the end of the series he's fully regret on what he has done and fully accept his death...
Esdeath of course is one of them she.... I'm gonna be honest that ice girl is crazy and lest not forget about her ragtag of team she made.
@@someguyparagon5273
And her poor excuse of a team aren't even military elites or black ops they're all either minors or people who play a very minor role in the military. She didn't even try she probably just lazily looked at the list of people with the dumb Imperial Arms and said "Yep I choose them even though they're background don't fit the role they are going to be in." And the Empire's military is so stupid and incompetent even the Roman Empire would look down on them with pity and disappointment. And seriously relying on only 48 weapons that could easily be stolen throughout the years that can't be crafted ever again as the substitute to expand and sustain your Empire is beyond incompetent thinking for the first Emperor. He doesn't even deserve to have that title.
The Prime Minister is also one of the dumbest villains ever seen. In real life this fat retard wouldn't even make it into two years into the game of politics before being violently deposed from within and from outside the government. Honest would of been found dead on his bed one day and then another person who is more cunning and intelligent would take his place or he would of been charged with corruption by his own inner circle and he would of died and they would take his place. It happened many times in real life. Just look at Germany, Russia, and China for example.
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Let's not forget the military...
The military in this manga/show holy shit...
I mean they are too comfortable in the city that when they try to stamp out a revolution they get their ass handed out to them in the wilderness meaning they are ill equipped to deal with that situation. Without Esdeath they would've been steam rolled a long time ago....
Even them the society in the Empire is ripe with corruption and shady shit going on!!!
@@someguyparagon5273
In real life the Empire wouldn't have existed for 200 years. Esdeath is a dumb commander too all she is, is a sadist that should of been executed not given a world ending weapon that would totally not back fire on you in the hands of a psychopath that deserves to die.
the problem with infinite possibilities means that they can't stop Comstock completely, if there are Elisabeth's working against Comstock then there are also:
Elisabeth's helping comstock against their will
Elisabeth's helping comstock willingly
Elisabeth's who ran away and never got caught.
just as there would be
Bookers who become comstock
Bookers who stay booker
Bookers who died at wounded knee
Bookers who never joined the Military
Bookers who never existed
Bookers who became comstock and lost
Bookers who became comstock and won
Columbia loses
Columbia wins
Columbia makes a treaty with America
so when they say " Elisabeth can see all realties and erased Comstock from infinity" they are full of shit
All true, and I love the criticisms, but I think that the inevitability of the revolution was one of the points the game was intentially making.
Do Rapture next pls
Rapture was pretty much self-explanatory in the games, it didn't even last until the first protagonist arrived
@@zahylon5993 can we trully say he "arrived" ? Srsrs
Riesemberg yeah rapture fell apart in the game so that would be kind of redundant. he could talk about how stupid it is to pretend to be a libertarian/an Arco capitalist and then not allow free trade like what the ideology doesn’t function if people aren’t free to trade with each other that’s kind of the entire point.
@@henryp9671 Ryan became what he hated the most: a Fascistic Dictator who stomped over every citizen in rapture, instead of a free-market society, he let monopolies to run the fuck out of Rapture as long as he had cash from them... it's pretty much spot-on the problem of absolute libetarian society; drugs will destroy the core of the population and mega corps will become the new goverment.
Zahylon yeah unless the population is armed and knows how to defend itself against potential governments emerging. But even before he became a dictator he still wasn’t an absolute libertarian because he didn’t believe in free trade. Also letting people use drugs if they want isn’t gonna destroy the core of society just like alcohol and gambling and every other vice some people can’t act responsibly but the majority know how to partake in moderation
I’d really like to see a video on The Board from Outer Worlds one day!
To anyone wanting to suggest Cesar's legion from fallout new vegas, Oxhorn made a video on that exact topic which points out all the flaws in the legion and why Ulysses was right when he said it will collapse in on itself.
A symbolic saying of history repeating itself is always way too funny when you realized Caesar was too hell bent on conquering his old hometown the NCR that he didn't think of expanding further East. North or South to flank the Republic. This is Star Wars' level of dumb villainy.
This game sucked - any political point they were trying to make was completely undermined when they made you fight the revolutionaries too.
Oh no!
You mean both sides have bad points that should be explored? Never!
@@tehhotline4225 It's not an "exploration." They don't "explore" the bad points of both sides - they just make the revolutionaries into re-skinned enemies for you to kill.
No
The oppressed can become the oppresser
@@equilibrium9829 Yes, *can.* But if they do, it should be properly foreshadowed and built up to--it really wasn't in Infinite.
Jesus this comment section is an embarrassing affair altogether
"...you like heaven segregated, deeply racist, and heavily armed." Now, what could you possibly be saying...?
BioShock predicted the Alt-right movement.
@CW It's funny how the left can burn cities down, demand segregation, vomit racism, murder people simply for being different from them. Yet they pretend it's some imaginary Alt-Right movement. They are the only hurting people trying to FORCE they're RULE on others. Plus they are the one's trying to rewrite history for they're benefit. Censor anyone who disagree with them. Wishing Death on people who don't agree with their Hatred. Yeah who's the violent hate filled Terrorists hurting people and destroying the cities? If Trump was half the Fascist they like to pretend he is, they're shit Riots would have been shut down day one. The Media that's constantly bashing him with they're lies would have been shutdown the Democrat's wouldn't be able to Bash him constantly. Ask Hitler how long people who bashed him were left alive? The fact they are still allowed to hurt people disprove they're own delusions.
@@TwistedSynn It's not like trump hasn't tried clamping down, it's not that he doesn't want to it seems to me like he is merely inept when it comes to it.
@@Sara3346 Or it's because the cities' mayors are refusing his help to quell the violence.
www.web24.news/u/2020/07/seattle-refuses-intervention-by-federal-agents-in-protests.html
Have you considered doing Rapture from BioShock 1 & 2?
Just got to know, why are the black people even in Columbia? Sure, given the time period things were bad, but why did they believe things would be better on a floating fortress? They actually chose to be there as opposed to being kidnapped.