I think that people who says that what the Bible clearly says is a sin, is not a sin just wants to keep sinning without believing that there is going to be consequences.
God changed the heart of Paul. He sincerely thought his persecution of the church was for God.. God saw the sincerity of His heart and showed him the truth...
@alessiajoy2906 great question. I have a testimony on my channel. But in short, it's a covenant that you make outside of God's true covenant. Its full of idolatry and there are rituals involved and altars that I bowed to. Very demonic.
They believe the Word is man-made and has been corrupted/mistranslated over time, and because they don't feel convicted, there is NO way to convince them otherwise.
It’s not our job to “get” people to believe their sin is sin. We give an answer if the Hope that lies within us. Changing the heart is The Holy Spirit’s job
I think that you pray for them and also ask God what and if he wants you to say anything🤷🏾♀️ I am learning how to be led by the Holy Spirit when it comes to intervening….witnessing…. Correcting…. I am learning to really get to know people and understand them and also be inclined to how God would want to use me within our conversations. I think one of you was right when you said that only God can change hearts but I think people grow more open when they feel heard and understood. I love the uniqueness of your podcast!! Thank you for the space to share. Great discussion.
I think the best place to start a conversation is to actually zoom out from the specific sin. It might be more helpful to start with their beliefs about Jesus. Is he God? Is the Bible the word of God and Jesus the word made flesh? Is Jesus your God and your authority or is something else? Do you believe the Bible? Do you believe God is good and has designated what is good for us? I think when we start there that is what shows if people are even Christian to begin with and where the underlying disconnects actually are. Often times the “root” of sin is further back than the action itself.
it 100% was a normal question… I would start by building a relationship with an individual that does not see that they do not see and remember that there are areas of my life where I too could be blind… I would also lovingly walk them through the Scriptures after asking them if they were open to looking at it from a different perspective… If they are open, then a door is open. If they are not open, then I would treat them as a nonbeliever and try to holiness and love.
Ever since I was 5 yrs old, I had always wanted to be married and 4 kids. I am now 58 yo and never married. Of course I had to do things my way. I am single mom. Many years of loneliness and sadness, about 15 years ago, I finally embraced my singleness and have been the happiest and in the Lord ever. I still desire marriage but if God desires this for me. I enjoy listening to your show. Thanks
Don has a stronghold. He serves a false god, and he grieves the Holy Spirit. Only God opens our eyes to scripture. We're called to have a personal relationship with God to overcome sin struggles and for understanding. Proverbs 3:5-6
It’s not our job to convince them. You’re gonna burn yourself out. Always point them towards the word of God. Allow the truth of the word to bring enlightenment. People that want to change ask less frivolous questions more times than not they know the answer before they ask it. Satan is very slick in how he uses certain people to distract us.
plain and simply... folks have idols before Father God. in Don's case, his feelings, his own understanding, his own desires are all idols before Father God
Just had this conversation with some family members and it got heated. They were so emotional, I ended apologizing to one of them. The only way for them to see it is if the Holy Spirit convicts them. So pray but one thing I also said was that, the only way that they'd know definitively what God would say about is to get to know Him. You gotta read His word and know what He would say about that certain thing that isn't explicitly forbidden in the Bible. As we get closer to Him, He reveals His will and plans for us
Agreed. The Bible says that God puts it on every heart to know Him. They can have one encounter with God that can change their life without them even attempting to form a relationship with God. God is sovereign and our sins will not disrupt His master plan for us.
And I've heard the testimony of lots of ex gay individuals and yall are right.... they all say just how much their lives had to change to come out of it. And the change ONLY came with that person's submission to God. Everything about their lives have to change. That's a Holy Spirit thing.
We can't convince someone that the sin they do is wrong. That person already has a hard heart on that issue and the words we say are going to bounce off that person's heart. We can still tell them what they're doing is wrong but we have to pray that God softens their heart and let the Holy Spirit convict them. Going back and forth with someone who's convinced what they're doing is the right thing is exhausting and useless. I've been there.
Luke 16:15 “And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.”2 Thessalonians 2:10 “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.”2 Thessalonians 2:11 “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:”2 Thessalonians 2:12 “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
Romans 1:28. I would reference this scripture to convince anyone that this is what happens when you won't accept that a sin is the sin they're dealing with and only God can deliver you from sin, but you have to acknowledge that what God's word is the truth.
Heterosexual adultery and fornication is a sin. Our number one priority is to look to God and His word above people for understanding. The guy in the red t-shirt, smh. Revelation 3:16 Proverbs 3:5-6 1 John 3:7-8
The heart is deceiving. Jeremiah 17:9. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal gratifying desires of the flesh that are enmity against God. We must contue to pray not just for ourselves, but for others asking God to reveal and remove from our lives what separates us from Him.
God will also allow you to stay in what “you” believe even if it’s not truth. (2 thess 2:9-12) He won’t force you! Sooo if that’s where Don wants to be, let him.
They are not submitted to Christ, much less God. They are in relationship with, worshipping, a homemade God. Prayer is not going to work if the other person is not receptive.
We are only gardeners; God makes it grow. 1 Corinthians 3:6-9 “ I planted the seed. Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.” I believe people that think like Mr. Lemon has been blinded against the truth by the enemy. Not only is he committing a sexual sin but he is also guilty of pride. He doesn’t want to even consider the fact that he may be wrong. I believe that he has been turned over to a debased mind. Romans 1:18-32. Thank you for the content. I pray that your ministry continues to be blessed and a blessing to others.
They don't want to change you're right my brother they just don't want to believe it they are lying to themselves and I believe they know that but they just said I want what I want and I live in the world where they said do what it do what you will do whatever you like how dare you tell me I can't I don't tell you God tells you I'm just a messenger Don't shoot me
All you do is nothing, all you can do is pray for them…remember what the LORD told the 70? “Of they don’t believe you shake the dust off your feet”🤷🏿♂️
No the best place to start our limit is the word of God if you read the whole council of God you'll see your sin is against God and he hates it he doesn't mean he hates you but if you doing it you going to feel the hate with it it goes hand-in-hand
Don Lemon’s book might be more aptly titled, "I’m Still Lost and Have Not Been Found." We’re not meant to rely solely on our own feelings; as Jeremiah 17:9 reminds us, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?” This is why being born again is so essential-to allow Jesus to renew our mind, heart, and spirit. It seems that Don Lemon is prioritizing his lifestyle over God’s word, which is a form of idolatry by creating a version of God that fits his desires. Jesus is the truth, and while the truth can be challenging/hurtful, but it’s ultimately for our benefit. Our lives depend on God’s word, and we, as humans, must remember that we don’t know better than Him.
So the Bible doesn't say that homosexuality is an abomination Don? 🤦 Sigh... {LEVITICUS 18:22, 20:13.} He knows it does. He doesn't care that it does! He wants JESUS { I guess} AND his sin! According to the Bible, you can't have both! I struggle with SSA so I know a little bit about this topic. The Bible is VERY clear on the subject of homosexuality! It's a grevious sin! Smh.. So much more to say. Smh... LOL..
You pray that the Holy Spirit convicts him and give him an understanding. That said... when I read AWE OF GOD by John Bevere, he tells a story of a pastor who had gotten into a world of trouble after some money and adultery issues caught up with him and landed him in Jail after being this mega popular televangelist. He called for John Bevere to visit him and John's question to him was "you had everything, God has elevated you... when did you stop believing?" The pastor said, "i never stopped believing....I just didn't fear God." Fear as in reverence God. People who know what the Bible says and deny it have an issue with reverence, not church. Particularly when their lives are blessed and basic needs met, what the Bible says can seem optional or lose precedence. Heck, even when we're needy, it STILL can. I'm not saying Mr Lemon is not a believer IN Christ, I'm curious if he is a follower OF Christ and if he seeks to do the will of the Father. There's levels to this walk.
They don't believe it's not wrong they're just lying lying to their self and want to believe the lie is clearly in the Bible it is an abomination it is beyond wrong
You can't convince nobody that don't believe the word of God of the Bible Don lemon picks and choose what he likes about Jesus and when it comes down to repenting of any sin he wants to ignore that and say that's why I don't go to church well that's why you going to hell too if you don't repent
This hurts me so. I try to find fellow Christians to do business with and this is the reason why, people say they are Christians yet they are in clicks, stay in their groups of friends and really don't show love. Firstly, he has not read the bible. They have watched to many online messages to tickle their ears. Firstly someone tell him to read slowly and carefully Rom. 10. I am so glad, God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, looks at our heart. If he is serious about wanting to be a Christian, there will be a transformation when he gets understanding BECAUSE GOD SHALL NOT BE MOCKED. So, I hope to see Don's transformation. He is just misinformed. Remember we were born in SIN AND SHAPED IN INIQUITY. This is why saints must live by example of the Word of God to show the Word is true. Correct not condemn and like the gentleman said God can and will TURN his heart especially if Don wants to be a Christian. Whenever I hear people in Sin speak against the Word, they really are seeking truth. Who can hear unless someone is sent. We all fall short and no one ever ask people to REPENT OF THEIR SIN.
Unregenrated people trying to assimilate to Church and Christ without salvation. The premise is wrong. Beliefs must be effected by the Holy Spirit (period)
Concerning watching those movies.... Just b/c you haven't been convicted of it doesn't mean it's OK for you to do. I feel being entertained by the things that grieves the heart of God, is sin and sinful.
The bottom line you can't convince nobody that's the work of the holy Spirit you can share the truth with them and pray for them but it's only God and even if God tries to convince them and they refused that's on them they refused because they love they send more than anything else
This shouldnt be a conversation. Shake the dust off your shoes! Move on they will reap what they sow . You can pray the Holy Spirit help then then move on!
He's just rebelling against God's word he wants what he wants and that's any any person that's a sinner they don't they don't want to stop their sin that's all there is to it they love their sin more than they love God they don't think that the devil got them blinded and lying to them and they believe the lie because everybody wants to believe God loves everybody he loved us enough to die for us but if we don't accept what he did to die for us then that love going out the window cuz he going to banish you if you don't repent and accept him as your personal Lord and savior and if you truly do that and find and realize that there is a real Church in the world the Bible says you will not forsake your assemblies with them if you walk in the spirit as he is he is in the spirit we will have fellowship one with another
If we are speaking on this subject we have to know what the Bible says and not just throw things at the wall and hope it sticks. This shouldn't even be a debate. God clearly stated he gave them over to their reprobate mind. Please read Romans 1:28 instead trying to lean on your own understanding
I think that people who says that what the Bible clearly says is a sin, is not a sin just wants to keep sinning without believing that there is going to be consequences.
True
Or they are blinded by the god of this world 😔
Both are true and they CANNOT have the Holy Ghost either!
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Yes that part
God changed the heart of Paul. He sincerely thought his persecution of the church was for God.. God saw the sincerity of His heart and showed him the truth...
The same thing when I renounced/denounced my former sorority. They dont believe its sin. Holy Spirit will have to convict them. Its a heart thing.
How is being in a sorority is wrong? I'm not trying to argue for arguments sake. I really want to understand.
@alessiajoy2906 great question. I have a testimony on my channel. But in short, it's a covenant that you make outside of God's true covenant. Its full of idolatry and there are rituals involved and altars that I bowed to. Very demonic.
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They believe the Word is man-made and has been corrupted/mistranslated over time, and because they don't feel convicted, there is NO way to convince them otherwise.
Proverbs 21:16
"A man who wanders from the way of understanding Will rest in the assembly of the dead"
Holy Spirit point blank that's His job. Our job is to pray, pray, 🙏🏼pray!!!
Blinded from the truth by the enemy.
It’s not our job to “get” people to believe their sin is sin. We give an answer if the Hope that lies within us. Changing the heart is The Holy Spirit’s job
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I believe they know it's sin. There is no way that you can read scripture and believe the opposite of what it says. People love their sin.
I hope he gets it right before Jesus comes back
I think that you pray for them and also ask God what and if he wants you to say anything🤷🏾♀️ I am learning how to be led by the Holy Spirit when it comes to intervening….witnessing…. Correcting…. I am learning to really get to know people and understand them and also be inclined to how God would want to use me within our conversations. I think one of you was right when you said that only God can change hearts but I think people grow more open when they feel heard and understood. I love the uniqueness of your podcast!! Thank you for the space to share. Great discussion.
Don is his own god
I think the best place to start a conversation is to actually zoom out from the specific sin. It might be more helpful to start with their beliefs about Jesus. Is he God? Is the Bible the word of God and Jesus the word made flesh? Is Jesus your God and your authority or is something else? Do you believe the Bible? Do you believe God is good and has designated what is good for us? I think when we start there that is what shows if people are even Christian to begin with and where the underlying disconnects actually are. Often times the “root” of sin is further back than the action itself.
Proverbs 15:32
"He who ignores discipline despises himself, but whoever heeds correction gains understanding"
I am interested to hear how Don Lemon interprets the Bible verses that prohibit his lifestyle.
IMO, Don reads the Bible in his flesh NOT with the Holy Spirit. You NEED the Spirit of God when studying His Word. His identity is in his sexuality
@@cjsanti1035 True. I'm just very interesting in his interpretation of the specific verses that deem his lifestyle an abomination.
it 100% was a normal question… I would start by building a relationship with an individual that does not see that they do not see and remember that there are areas of my life where I too could be blind… I would also lovingly walk them through the Scriptures after asking them if they were open to looking at it from a different perspective… If they are open, then a door is open. If they are not open, then I would treat them as a nonbeliever and try to holiness and love.
Ever since I was 5 yrs old, I had always wanted to be married and 4 kids. I am now 58 yo and never married. Of course I had to do things my way. I am single mom. Many years of loneliness and sadness, about 15 years ago, I finally embraced my singleness and have been the happiest and in the Lord ever. I still desire marriage but if God desires this for me. I enjoy listening to your show. Thanks
Don has a stronghold. He serves a false god, and he grieves the Holy Spirit. Only God opens our eyes to scripture. We're called to have a personal relationship with God to overcome sin struggles and for understanding.
Proverbs 3:5-6
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We just need to pray for Don's lemon tree conversion of salvation 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾👉🏾👉🏾
They are blinded from the truth by the enemy and given over to a reprobate mind.
It’s not our job to convince them. You’re gonna burn yourself out. Always point them towards the word of God. Allow the truth of the word to bring enlightenment. People that want to change ask less frivolous questions more times than not they know the answer before they ask it. Satan is very slick in how he uses certain people to distract us.
This man sounds like a walking contradiction
Which man❓
@ who else but Don Lemon……
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Lol agreed
plain and simply... folks have idols before Father God. in Don's case, his feelings, his own understanding, his own desires are all idols before Father God
Just had this conversation with some family members and it got heated. They were so emotional, I ended apologizing to one of them. The only way for them to see it is if the Holy Spirit convicts them. So pray but one thing I also said was that, the only way that they'd know definitively what God would say about is to get to know Him. You gotta read His word and know what He would say about that certain thing that isn't explicitly forbidden in the Bible. As we get closer to Him, He reveals His will and plans for us
Agreed. The Bible says that God puts it on every heart to know Him. They can have one encounter with God that can change their life without them even attempting to form a relationship with God. God is sovereign and our sins will not disrupt His master plan for us.
@J9Esquire amen!!
God Word is right on all things revelation 19:13
The closer you get to Jesus, the more you are convicted of your sins.
I would love to hear yall discuss the Hardly Initiated podcast with Marcus Rogers and the two gay pastors.
Because these were two gay pastors who also felt that the Bible is essentially “incorrect”
Agreed
And I've heard the testimony of lots of ex gay individuals and yall are right.... they all say just how much their lives had to change to come out of it. And the change ONLY came with that person's submission to God.
Everything about their lives have to change. That's a Holy Spirit thing.
We can't convince someone that the sin they do is wrong. That person already has a hard heart on that issue and the words we say are going to bounce off that person's heart. We can still tell them what they're doing is wrong but we have to pray that God softens their heart and let the Holy Spirit convict them. Going back and forth with someone who's convinced what they're doing is the right thing is exhausting and useless. I've been there.
Luke 16:15
“And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.”2 Thessalonians 2:10
“And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.”2 Thessalonians 2:11
“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:”2 Thessalonians 2:12
“That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
Romans 1:28. I would reference this scripture to convince anyone that this is what happens when you won't accept that a sin is the sin they're dealing with and only God can deliver you from sin, but you have to acknowledge that what God's word is the truth.
Heterosexual adultery and fornication is a sin. Our number one priority is to look to God and His word above people for understanding. The guy in the red t-shirt, smh.
Revelation 3:16
Proverbs 3:5-6
1 John 3:7-8
The heart is deceiving. Jeremiah 17:9. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal gratifying desires of the flesh that are enmity against God. We must contue to pray not just for ourselves, but for others asking God to reveal and remove from our lives what separates us from Him.
God will also allow you to stay in what “you” believe even if it’s not truth. (2 thess 2:9-12) He won’t force you! Sooo if that’s where Don wants to be, let him.
They are not submitted to Christ, much less God. They are in relationship with, worshipping, a homemade God. Prayer is not going to work if the other person is not receptive.
We are only gardeners; God makes it grow. 1 Corinthians 3:6-9 “ I planted the seed. Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.”
I believe people that think like Mr. Lemon has been blinded against the truth by the enemy. Not only is he committing a sexual sin but he is also guilty of pride. He doesn’t want to even consider the fact that he may be wrong. I believe that he has been turned over to a debased mind. Romans 1:18-32. Thank you for the content. I pray that your ministry continues to be blessed and a blessing to others.
You leaving me in God's hands God will deal with him he loved them just like he loved you and if they don't respond then their doom to his wrath
And to answer bout the mob movie: the bible say abstain from the very presence of evil.
They don't want to change you're right my brother they just don't want to believe it they are lying to themselves and I believe they know that but they just said I want what I want and I live in the world where they said do what it do what you will do whatever you like how dare you tell me I can't I don't tell you God tells you I'm just a messenger Don't shoot me
All you do is nothing, all you can do is pray for them…remember what the LORD told the 70? “Of they don’t believe you shake the dust off your feet”🤷🏿♂️
No the best place to start our limit is the word of God if you read the whole council of God you'll see your sin is against God and he hates it he doesn't mean he hates you but if you doing it you going to feel the hate with it it goes hand-in-hand
Don Lemon’s book might be more aptly titled, "I’m Still Lost and Have Not Been Found." We’re not meant to rely solely on our own feelings; as Jeremiah 17:9 reminds us, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?” This is why being born again is so essential-to allow Jesus to renew our mind, heart, and spirit. It seems that Don Lemon is prioritizing his lifestyle over God’s word, which is a form of idolatry by creating a version of God that fits his desires. Jesus is the truth, and while the truth can be challenging/hurtful, but it’s ultimately for our benefit. Our lives depend on God’s word, and we, as humans, must remember that we don’t know better than Him.
So the Bible doesn't say that homosexuality is an abomination Don? 🤦 Sigh... {LEVITICUS 18:22, 20:13.} He knows it does. He doesn't care that it does! He wants JESUS { I guess} AND his sin! According to the Bible, you can't have both! I struggle with SSA so I know a little bit about this topic. The Bible is VERY clear on the subject of homosexuality! It's a grevious sin! Smh.. So much more to say. Smh... LOL..
You pray that the Holy Spirit convicts him and give him an understanding.
That said... when I read AWE OF GOD by John Bevere, he tells a story of a pastor who had gotten into a world of trouble after some money and adultery issues caught up with him and landed him in Jail after being this mega popular televangelist.
He called for John Bevere to visit him and John's question to him was "you had everything, God has elevated you... when did you stop believing?"
The pastor said, "i never stopped believing....I just didn't fear God."
Fear as in reverence God.
People who know what the Bible says and deny it have an issue with reverence, not church. Particularly when their lives are blessed and basic needs met, what the Bible says can seem optional or lose precedence. Heck, even when we're needy, it STILL can.
I'm not saying Mr Lemon is not a believer IN Christ, I'm curious if he is a follower OF Christ and if he seeks to do the will of the Father. There's levels to this walk.
They don't believe it's not wrong they're just lying lying to their self and want to believe the lie is clearly in the Bible it is an abomination it is beyond wrong
You can't convince nobody that don't believe the word of God of the Bible Don lemon picks and choose what he likes about Jesus and when it comes down to repenting of any sin he wants to ignore that and say that's why I don't go to church well that's why you going to hell too if you don't repent
This hurts me so. I try to find fellow Christians to do business with and this is the reason why, people say they are Christians yet they are in clicks, stay in their groups of friends and really don't show love. Firstly, he has not read the bible. They have watched to many online messages to tickle their ears. Firstly someone tell him to read slowly and carefully Rom. 10. I am so glad, God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, looks at our heart. If he is serious about wanting to be a Christian, there will be a transformation when he gets understanding BECAUSE GOD SHALL NOT BE MOCKED. So, I hope to see Don's transformation. He is just misinformed. Remember we were born in SIN AND SHAPED IN INIQUITY. This is why saints must live by example of the Word of God to show the Word is true. Correct not condemn and like the gentleman said God can and will TURN his heart especially if Don wants to be a Christian. Whenever I hear people in Sin speak against the Word, they really are seeking truth. Who can hear unless someone is sent. We all fall short and no one ever ask people to REPENT OF THEIR SIN.
The church did say it it was god
Unregenrated people trying to assimilate to Church and Christ without salvation. The premise is wrong. Beliefs must be effected by the Holy Spirit (period)
But if they read the Bible then they know the Bible says that they just refuse like the Bible says to accept it in their heart
Don’t buy the book
Concerning watching those movies.... Just b/c you haven't been convicted of it doesn't mean it's OK for you to do. I feel being entertained by the things that grieves the heart of God, is sin and sinful.
He needs to be delivered, but God won't go against your will. That's a evil spirit on him. And does he belong to the Lord.
(1st Corinthians 6:12) 👈🏾 may help your conscience my brother 🤷🤔
The bottom line you can't convince nobody that's the work of the holy Spirit you can share the truth with them and pray for them but it's only God and even if God tries to convince them and they refused that's on them they refused because they love they send more than anything else
This shouldnt be a conversation. Shake the dust off your shoes! Move on they will reap what they sow . You can pray the Holy Spirit help then then move on!
He's just rebelling against God's word he wants what he wants and that's any any person that's a sinner they don't they don't want to stop their sin that's all there is to it they love their sin more than they love God they don't think that the devil got them blinded and lying to them and they believe the lie because everybody wants to believe God loves everybody he loved us enough to die for us but if we don't accept what he did to die for us then that love going out the window cuz he going to banish you if you don't repent and accept him as your personal Lord and savior and if you truly do that and find and realize that there is a real Church in the world the Bible says you will not forsake your assemblies with them if you walk in the spirit as he is he is in the spirit we will have fellowship one with another
What bible is he reading?
If we are speaking on this subject we have to know what the Bible says and not just throw things at the wall and hope it sticks. This shouldn't even be a debate. God clearly stated he gave them over to their reprobate mind. Please read Romans 1:28 instead trying to lean on your own understanding
3:03 they're of a reprobate mind, so show them what Yahusha says about it.