Is Caitlin Clark The Greatest Player In College Basketball History? Jay Bilas Discusses | 3/4/24
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- ESPN college basketball analyst Jay Bilas joins the Dan Patrick Show and breaks down the arguments both for and against Caitlin Clark as the greatest player in college basketball history
Why are they comparing men’s basketball to women’s? Just let her have the womens record and be done with it.
Pete played in fewer games and didn’t have 3 pt line
Greatest female player. Pistiol is pistol and Caitlyn is Caitlyn.
Caitlyn is Caitlin not Caitlyn. Lol
Mr Patrick, nice job. Caitlin Clark is great period. Now then-- they say she isn’t the best because she hasn’t won’t a championship. One person doesn’t win a championship. The team does. If you listen to Caitlin she always praises her teammates. Basketball is not a solo sport like wrestling. It’s a team sport. She is fantastic BUT she needs support.
I love your show.
Judge players on Stats , Judge teams on Championships!
She is a good ambassador for the sport
The NCAA officially lists men and women's records separately. There isn't a combined category.
The entire IA team have consistently delivered in this historic moment which is for ALL girls sports.
I’m sure Caitlin would prefer Breanna Stewart’s career vs hers but she is amazing. Hope she can add a title to the resume
@MattG728 Totally disagree. I don’t know for sure but I bet Coach Geno of U Conn probably recruited her, but CC wanted to stay in Iowa, which has nowhere near the pedigree and players of U Conn.
Caitlin Clark on UCONN would have won four straight NCAA Championships.
That comment is absolutely stupid. If UConn so good why weren't they in the title game then Iowa, Iowa had more of a chance then UConn did based on AVAILABLE talent. UConn key players can't stay healthy, atleast Iowa has a complete roster that made it to the title game
@@jdneely9939 You’ve got to love how the veil of a certain anonymity makes people think it’s ok to call people stupid. I respect your opinion on the quality of Iowa’s team. They are fantastic and fun to watch. I respect what they’ve been able to accomplish. But Geno is in a completely different league when it comes to coaching and recruiting. And with Caitlin on the team he would have been able to recruit even better players. The UCONN team wouldn’t look exactly like it looks now if Caitlin were on the team. It would have been a repeat of what they did with BreAnna Stewart. But I’m glad she’s on Iowa. I like to see more teams get in on the action- and I have friends and family in Iowa.
Clark is the greatest scorer in WOMAN's basketball, and Pete is the greatest scorer in MEN's basketball.
End of discussion.
Objectively, Caitlin is the best scorer in NCAA DI Women’s basketball. She’s more than a scorer! Holds records for assists, double doubles, and triple doubles.
@@TheXena23kinda cheapens the fact that these accomplishments would be far more impressive done in the men’s league, but it’s all part of the NCAA. So yes, she’s the ncaa record holder and women’s record holder while Pistol Pete holds the men’s record.
Pete was a ball hog…..he was the greatest passer, yet only averaged 5 assists per game….. he was taking almost 40 shots s game
Thank you, Dan, Stewie should be in the ALL TIME GREAT conversation, 3 state titles 4 college natty's . 2 W tiltes .. How anyone could question who? it's Stewie.
I don’t bother with comparisons. But I will say that Caitlin Clark is the absolute most electric and exciting female player I have ever seen. From shooting to passing to ball handling and the fire she brings with it all. She is the dawn of a new era within the WNBA, if certain female egos within the WNBA can get over themselves and embrace it. Actually whether they do that or not, she will still change the game for the better - with them or without them.
You can’t do the comparison of individuals when they are playing on a team. Having said that Caitlin Clark would have been on a championship winning team if she went to some of the other schools.
I agree
She can do it all at the highest level. There's no weakness to her game and still getting better. Her style of play is unlike any woman that ever played, more like the men. Holds all or most of the records. Based on all the stats, it's hard to deny her GOAT status which she will only cement with her WNBA career.
Clark may be the greatest female basketball player of all time. Put in the lineup of any D1 men's team and it will be clear, she is not the greatest player in college basketball history. She may be the greatest 3-point shooter in history. She is amazing.
I don't think she better than Sheryl Miller.
I don't think she's better than Sheryl Swoopes
Saw a stat that said if Maravich had played with a 3-point line, 70% of his made shots would have been outside the 3-point line, so...
The short answer is yes she is the greatest woman's player in college basketball history but it is impossible to say if she is the greatest college basketball player ever without agreeing on the criteria. The most ACCOMPLISHED college basketball players ever are obviously Breanna Stewart and Lew Alcindor/Kareem Abdul Jabber, but that doesn't necessarily make them the best. I happen to think that Jabbar is the best men's college basketball player ever but both Jabber and Stewart had a lot of help from their teammates (and coaches) in their college careers. Could Stewart have led that Iowa team without Clark to the National Finals last year? I don't think so. Would Clark have won multiple National Titles if you replaced her for Stewart on those stacked Connecticut teams? I think the obvious answer is yes. So where does that leave you? I'm going with the eyeball test and to me the last 2 years she is playing at a higher level than any woman in college basketball history (and she means more to her team than any woman in history). Until last year I thought Cheryl Miller was the best woman basketball player I ever saw but now I think Clark is better, and I think she will be seen as the greatest woman player ever after a dozen years in the WNBA (barring major injuries like what happened to Miller). It is hard enough to compare players from different generations but to compare men with women is nearly impossible. But for me to say that she is the greatest college basketball player ever I would have to conclude that the difference between Clark and either Miller or Stewart is greater than the difference between Jabbar and whoever is the second greatest men's college player ever (Maravich, Russell, Walton, Robertson, take your pick). And as big a Clark fan as I am, that is a bridge too far even for me.
1:16 THANK YOU! I've been saying that!!!
There is NO comparison to Maravich.
NONE.
Different games. Different rules.
NO COMPARISON.
She is the most electric player in NCAA basketball. Bruce
Clark was not always a 3 point shooter. She came to the college and saw that the players were bigger, stronger and quicker than her, so she adjusted her game. She figured out she doesn't have to go down low to score, that shooting 3's gets you points and you will be banged around less than playing low post. This prevents injuries. Adjusting your gameplay to the environment your in, is the difference between good players and great players.
Is Caitlyn Clark these greatest player in college basketball history? My thought is that she is almost certainly the greatest female college basketball player to ever step on the court. Part of the reason why I consider her to be the greatest is that not only is she the greatest scorer in NCAA history (most points and second highest scoring average in NCAAW history) but she is also one of the top ten all time leaders in assists and she also has the incredible ability to hit a deep three point like almost no one else (yes, Stephen Curry can do what Caitlyn can but he's the only player I can think of). The combination of these three make her a nightmare to defend against.
Why weren't these other records brought up prior to Clark??
Let me get this straight. Did Dan Patrick just ask, how does the WNBA benefit from adding the greatest female basketball player of all time to its league????!!!! Some question there, Danny Boy!!
Has anyone remembered John Rinka who played for Kenyon. He would cross half court and shot and score. Only one doing that at the time. Love to have someone find some old movies of him playing and put on youtube.
Cheryl Miller was 6 inches taller than any other player on the court.
She was 6'2". 2 inches taller than Caitlyn...fyi.
She has done a couple things that I didn’t think was possible, women’s basketball is much watch tv and she does what sports entertainment was supposed to, to give us a break from every day and the political divide in this country but still people try to make it a racial thing. Thank you CC for making me a fan you have done more to bring people together than our leaders
bull sh t man the sports media and ncaa saying shes the goat? shes the best womens scorer . but you cannot compare the weaker of the species to mens records and by the way the wnba sux . nice try man but us real sports fans dont by this bullsh t
How many shots per game did Pistol Pete average in college ? Caitlin averages 22 shots per game ? How many assists did Pistol Pete have ?
Frances Merrion in 79-80 was in WAIA soon after joined the NCAA as a D2 program Pearl Moore was a Great player
Unfortunately only ncaa sanctioned games are recorded and stats kept .and nothing diminishes what Ms Moore accomplished
Not sure why she is being brought up in the discussion.. Jay mentions that Woodward played at Kansas not some little unknown school... which is exactly what Moore did against unknown competition.
Pearl Moore played D2. No disrespect, but Clark would score 6000 points in D2
She’s arguably the greatest female college basketball player. Lew Alcindor (aka Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) is the greatest college basketball player.
I believe she will get a honeymoon year. However, she needs to produce and have a team around her that has great position players that will also contribute. Even Michael Jordan needed to build a team that would support his style of play.
Indiana Fever
The other women’s college GOAT to me was Cheryl Miller - who like Clark, spent a lot of their young years playing against boys
2:40 - Can she be called great if she did not win? Larry Bird also did not win in college (when I see her I think of Larry, especially the passing and the shooting swagger), Pistol Pete did not win in college, Dr. J did not win in college, Shaq did not win in College. Those were all unquestionably great college basketball players, just like Caitlin Clark.
Can’t deny her greatness at the college level. But is she really even the best womens’ college basketball player of all time? Off the top of my head, I’m taking Aja Wilson or Candace Parker all day and that’s not putting much thought into it. Not to mention all of the UCONN greats.
I rather be a skillcapped hall-of-famer professional for 20 years than playing great in college for 4 years. (I don't find it a tough question.)
I do love Jay Bilas.
Shes the only female I'll watch play basketball. Caitlin vs Sabrina will be fun. Im also hoping Caitlin beats Angel Reese in the tournament to shut her up. But, Caitlin is ONLY the GOAT of womens ball. She wouldn't average 10 ppg against men. Too fast, too strong, too quick, etc....
Pistol Pete’s record is intact. He did it in 3 seasons without a 3 point line. He would have gotten 5000 points with today’s rules
And he did it amongst men
Greatest College Woman player of all time, Period!!
She's fabulous. Bill Walton from Ucla might be the best. Maravich was incredible with his passing and shooting skills. Hard to compare. I'd put her on any men's team... and she'd do well.
I agree with you about Bill Walton. Love Caitlin.
To me Walton was far better than Pete....and Pete, indeed, was an incredible player. But Walton had an all around game and got results. Plus, he might have had the greatest performance in NCAA b-ball history with his 44 point, 13 rebound peformance (on 95% shooting!) against Memphis State in the NCAA 1973 national championship game. Pete had amazing talent, but that whole LSU squad was basically built to showcase him and pump up his numbers....winning be damned.
@@KClouisville ... yes... Pete was very entertaining... and incredibly skilled. You are spot on about Walton and his performance against Memphis State. If his knees had been stronger... who knows what he would have accomplished in the NBA.
Walton & Maravich were both great...BUT they changed the rules because Lew/Kareem was so dominant.
@@troykingery1665 Kareem was great for sure... but Wooden said that Walton was better.
Kareem Abdul Jabbar was a 3 time national player of the year, 3 time unanimous first team All-American, won 3 titles, and I think only lost 3 games. So no, Caitlin Clark is great, but she's not the greatest college player of all time.
Leave it to lazy Dan Patrick to ask a nonsensical question trying to compare LeBron to Caitlin Clark. Great to see Jay Bilas smack down such a dumb question. Hey Dan, why not give us all a break and just retire!! Give me Rich Eisen or Colin Cowherd over this hack any day of the week.
Mr. Bilas has lost his mind, period.
The disrespect to the great Kareem Abdul jabbar continues
Like the NBA the WNBA will never have the excitement College Basketball has every year. I have many friends who love college basketball and none of them even watch the NBA and for sure not the WNBA. You get outside of Urban America and the NBA isn't a thing. In fact not only do they not like professional basketball they hate it, many with a passion. Don't take my word for it look at the ratings.
No, she is not. Kareem and Walton were better college players, clearly….just to name two. She has an argument for best woman to play college basketball.
Greatness is by the body of work and total affect on society. Rebecca Lobo is perhaps the greatest
For shooting, Yes.
FOR F__K's SAKE REALLY? Assanine question DP. Nothing could be any more Apple's & Orange's than these 2 accomplishments. In LeBron's 21st season playing against the best players on the planet for the last 21 years, breaks the all-time scoring record & while CC has been epic, she's played 4 years against young ladies, 95% of who will never play professionally anywhere & even the best of the WNBA could not compare to the men in the NBA that can't get off the bench. DID I REALLY NEED TO WRITE THIS????
yes much better than the boring NBA and wnba
ANY MAN CAN OUT PLAY HER.
Maravich took 42 shots per game. Come on bro. clark took 22.
Didn’t Kareem win 4 titles at UCLA?
Everyone has their own opinion on the greatest,mine is............ Jackie Stiles!😊
Caitlin Clark wouldn't be able to keep up with a high school boys team. Are these guys seriously comparing her to Larry Bird?
In individual sports (tennis, track, etc) an athlete needs the trophy to be considered GOAT.
In team sports, not so much.
Stop it stop it really . compare to lebron . Really man looking for great white hope. Malibu most wanted 😂😂 give her pops she's a sniper though
Maybe it is time to stop having separate men's and women's teams if we are going to have these discussions. We'll just have basketball. Anyone regardless of sex, color, creed, nationality, or any other category that politicians use to divide us can try out. Let the BEST make the teams!
Then let the women play with regular ball etc
lol you would never see a woman player on the team lol
He is right, great and greatest are different discussions. Greatest male college player, Lou Alcindor surely?
Nobody’s in history in college basketball is even close to pistol
Pete . case close . No disrespect but damn lmao. As good as Clarke is , she the best woman’s . I guess. Maya more and Reggie miller sister prob better . But woman vs menns is comparable. Pistol Pete is the most prolific college player ever
SC hasn't had the level competition IA has, FTR.
Please stop it with this nonsense, During his college career, Abdul-Jabbar was a three-time national player of the year (1967-1969), a three-time unanimous first-team All-American (1967-1969), played on three NCAA basketball champion teams (1967, 1968, and 1969), was honored as the Most Outstanding Player in the NCAA Tournament three times. UCLA went 88-2 in his three seasons, and twice he was named college Player of the Year. . She couldn't hold a candle to his career.
That's actually what they said. Pointed out that Breanna Stewart won 4 titles and MOPs + 3 time POY, which is obvs a "greater" career than CC. And that Lew Alcindor's career was far greater than Maravich's.
The greatest female player to me was Maya Moore and still is until otherwise. Maya rebounded, blocked shots, got steals, scored and won Chips on every level. Did not disappoint in the WNBA. Ended her short career with only 4 rings and had one stolen to give Pat Summit closure. Caitlin wins a chip then they can talk. She is offensively explosive without a doubt and the buzz is warranted. She has a chance to do special things as well.
You can only break records that are available to break. Stupid argument. More than one person can excel at whatever
Glad to see a strong Christian white woman on top
She don't see you. Neither does any white person with money.
@@Mr50403 $ is the root of all evil...people like you ought to know that.
CC sees ALL her fans and she appreciates them...she's not blinded by fame and fortune like SO MANY OTHERS!!!
@@Mr50403 that explains it , you’re one of those so called “ victims” 😂
Good for you 😂
@@twistedfuk666 You did not put in your response that I was lying. So I must have told the truth.
Facts
Cheryl miller
As Ivan Duncan, a famous coach of a Swedish team called Alvik basketball in the 1970's and 80's said "If god wanted women to play basketball, he would've put the baskets lower!"
I still think Taurasi is the better player all around, but it’s close.
I here people say you can't be The GOAT if you don't win championships. Ummm Barry Sanders to me is the GOAT. No championships.
I grew up in Iowa City, and a huge Hawks fan, including CC. But holy crap, can we wait a while (10-15 years) to compare her to LeBron? She hasn't played a single pro game. There is a formidable argument that CC is the greatest college player of all time, but enough with the ridiculous Pistol/Moore arguments, they don't really matter. Caitlin is still a (barely) 22 y/o young woman. Let's just celebrate her college career, and see what she can do in the W, and the USA national team. When it comes to "greatest all time" women hoopers, we have a long way to go. Y'all are forcing an argument that is WAY premature, and inviting far too much pressure on Caitlin to reach some kind of GOAT status before she's ever touched a ball in the pros. Seriously, please just back the f*ck up and let her have her space.
No way is she the better than Kareem ?? Or bill Walton or many others gimme a break. Plays with small ball and a shorter 3 point line
Is it irony that Caitlin is doing it in college while getting a college degree- something Lebron doesn't have.....
Ponytail Pete . . . ;-)
I'm guessing ol Dem dan is going to bring up The Race Card. I'm just guessing. This is what he's sunk to. Money, money, money. Has for about 6 years.
CC help a bunch of walk on to back ncaa final 2 that why geno was butt hurt about cc u conn south carolinq dont have walk on players there a supper star player
Wilt was the best 💯👍👍👍👍👍👍👍💯
To many Lesbians in WNBA..... it has ruined "Women's basketball ".....I will never watch it!
Clark or lj the goat, clark is the goat. Sorry lebran maybe she should pllay with you lakers you wouldn't be in the play in.
She is best among women 😢😮she would just another player playing against men and that’s a fact 😮😢and the truth
She would have no chance against high school boys let alone men.
@@mjw9928 I bet she would beat George sloppynoupulus
@@martinalarcon3108 and then you make stupid comments like this go ahead put her against the men. Let me know how that works out for you.
Maravich played in 47 fewer games ( 3yrs) without benefit of 3 pt line. If you subtract 1 point from the 509 3 pointers Clark made over 4 years and 47 more games , Pistol Pete remains top NCAA scorer!
As was mentioned in the video, Pete also played during segregation when only white players were allowed in the SEC.
& took almost twice as many shots.
Dem dan can't help himself. He has to bring up race, gender, etc... Ol Dem dan might lose $1.
Jay Billious is not a good commentator
What will the eyeballs do when they see how unimpressive the wnba is? As long as the NBA level of talent is at hand, the wnba will never be the eyeball Attraction some think.
Dumb question
Unfortunately it will not transfer to the WNBA🏀🏀🏀
Ludicrous.
No.
No
Great players win championships who cares about most points scored
Pistol Pete didn't have 3 pointers
No she isn't. She's good, a serious ball hog, but that's okay.
Interesting that a "ball hog" ranks 5th all-time in assists in the NCAA & 1st all time in assists in the B1G.
@@troykingery1665, 5th overall, 2nd in her conference and 1st in her program in Assists
You've got a bright future!
Again I will quote the Pistol: “I don’t like to compare one with another!”🏀
Womans player? Maybe
No