Romulan Fleet Doctrine and Organisation

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  • @enoughothis
    @enoughothis 3 роки тому +55

    "Fair fights are for suckers and Starfleet." Prime Operational Directive of the Romulan Imperial Fleet.

    • @stuartwald2395
      @stuartwald2395 3 роки тому +10

      And their slogan: "Live Long and Conquer!"

    • @Sephiroth144
      @Sephiroth144 3 роки тому +9

      To be fair, its a common refrain from military folks; one former Spec Forces guy I know always said, "If you get into a fair fight, you done fucked up."

    • @enoughothis
      @enoughothis 3 роки тому +6

      @@Sephiroth144 as General Patton said “No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.”

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun 3 роки тому +8

      "It's a trap!"
      last words of every dude that fought romulans.

    • @aiosquadron
      @aiosquadron 2 роки тому +1

      @@IronWarhorsesFun "Why is the stars playing Latin?"

  • @TimothyChapman
    @TimothyChapman 3 роки тому +58

    Federation Fleet Doctrine: Scatter your ships across millions of cubic light years of space, not thinking about defense at all, then wonder why you can't defend yourself when a powerful enemy invades. Then just fight enough to survive a little longer.
    Cardassian Fleet Doctrine: Overly-bearing top-down control over the fleet resulting in slow response times when easily exploited by the enemy.
    Klingon Fleet Doctrine: Nearly complete autonomy of each individual ship in the fleet, but just barely not reckless.
    Romulan Fleet Doctrine: Intimidate the enemy into not wanting to fight them, test enemy responses without engaging, and overwhelm the enemy if engagement is necessary.
    Borg Fleet Doctrine: Combine humanoid and artificial intelligence to determine the minimum force necessary to guarantee a win, then come straight at the enemy while announcing your plan to them!

    • @Sephiroth144
      @Sephiroth144 3 роки тому +14

      Addendum to Fed Fleet Doc: Ensure the Enterprise is not only closest to Earth, but the only ship in range.

    • @jimbeam4736
      @jimbeam4736 3 роки тому +6

      The Federation procrastinates on their own survival ;)

    • @Sephiroth144
      @Sephiroth144 3 роки тому +3

      @@jimbeam4736 Section 31 has made them lazy...

    • @casbot71
      @casbot71 3 роки тому +6

      @@Sephiroth144 Section 31 rigs the game so they have already won with some amazing longshot Hail Mary.
      C'mon, whoever wins the Time War in the end, will be able to rig it so that they already won.

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun 3 роки тому +3

      WE ARE THE BORG, YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.
      ROMULANS: Silence is our shield, invisibility our sword.

  • @Wedgekree
    @Wedgekree 3 роки тому +23

    Nice! The Romulans are the first alpha quadrant power we primarily see based around heavy cruiser/battleship fleets as their primary combatant.

    • @dariusgreysun
      @dariusgreysun Рік тому +1

      I thought they were mostly located in the beta quadrant

  • @jeffhallam2004
    @jeffhallam2004 3 роки тому +8

    All things Romulan make me so happy! You rock Venom!

  • @mickeyholding7970
    @mickeyholding7970 3 роки тому +14

    The 4 warbird group must be what Captain Garrett and the Enterprise-C came up against. The artwork is fantastic.

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому +6

      Yeah though those were probably early warbirds such as horo or vmelak.

    • @mickeyholding7970
      @mickeyholding7970 3 роки тому +4

      @@venomgeekmedia9886 either of your answers could be right since it was roughly 20 years earlier.

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому +4

      @@mickeyholding7970 yeah in wings of romulus i say vmelak.

    • @neganrex5693
      @neganrex5693 2 роки тому +2

      Not likely. The big green Bird is really still very new and on the drawing board from what I understand at that time.

  • @shanenolan8252
    @shanenolan8252 3 роки тому +6

    Yes i love the romulans i was rewatching the nerexon episode yesterday. Only for the 3rd or 4th time

  • @enterprise1701e
    @enterprise1701e 3 роки тому +10

    Interesting take on the Romulan Empire's Fleet Doctrine. How would this change for the Romulan Republic's of the early 25th century?

  • @cdrocrossdiscovery
    @cdrocrossdiscovery 3 роки тому +4

    Swiftly and silently. Nice job!

  • @cpt_bill366
    @cpt_bill366 3 роки тому +7

    Your Romulan content is why I subscribed in the first place. It is always a joy to see more.

  • @stevenewman1393
    @stevenewman1393 Рік тому +1

    🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail shape way and form provided indeed, And very nicely well done on and about Romulan fleet doctrine and their main battle and defensive tactics and so forth indeed 👌.

  • @Kaiju-Driver
    @Kaiju-Driver 3 роки тому +1

    I'm new to this Channel and so I went into this not expecting much and was very pleasantly surprised this is some quality content of the share with my nerd friends keep up the great work

  • @ISAF_Ace
    @ISAF_Ace 3 роки тому +15

    Only show a fraction of your true strength to the enemy, always assume that what you see is less than half of what you fight. Stealth is the best wealth, but a loaded gun and an lot of torpedoes never hurt either, well doesn’t hurt you anyway

    • @neganrex5693
      @neganrex5693 2 роки тому

      They was mostly hiding their weakness because the number of ships they had. The problem of having ships of that size.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Рік тому

      @@neganrex5693 I personally believe that Romulans were most likely faking signatures. To create illusion of having larger fleet then they did have. Alongside whole smoke and mirror nonsense.

  • @nathanielmeade5731
    @nathanielmeade5731 3 роки тому +6

    For those of you who haven't
    Go watch the video on the Kerchan Class Warbird

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому +2

      I mean I feel like everyone has seen that... but feel free to watch again ;)

    • @EpicEnterprisesLoganUtah
      @EpicEnterprisesLoganUtah 6 місяців тому

      @@venomgeekmedia9886 Venom, your content is quite rewatchable by the way. Feel free to recommend specific cross-reference content.

  • @shanenolan8252
    @shanenolan8252 3 роки тому +7

    In the books the reman fleet was made up of very old tos era ships like romulan d7s and birbs or prey and pulling xhips out of moth balls is normal in wartime federation in particular

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому +1

      Make sense. Be interesting to see them with a reman paint job.

    • @shanenolan8252
      @shanenolan8252 3 роки тому

      @@venomgeekmedia9886 it would

    • @shanenolan8252
      @shanenolan8252 3 роки тому +1

      @@chrissonofpear1384 there must have been because the bird of prey they mentioned was older than the fasa winged defender , but the fleet was around 40 ships around remus but they must have had others at the base and at various places in the empire. And they were building vessels on remus (nemesis dialogue ) they must have had a much larger fleet during the dominion war. Imo

  • @scarface1138
    @scarface1138 2 роки тому +1

    You should do a collab with Resurrected Starships.

  • @Nostripe361
    @Nostripe361 3 роки тому +1

    These are interesting to see the tactical doctrine of these forces. I was wondering would you maybe go even more into the strategic doctrine of the Star Trek universe. Like how Federation seems to use older ships to blunt an enemies initial attack to give them time to mass produce newer models to slam the enemy back out of Federation territory. Meanwhile faster smaller ships like Defiant fly through enemy space to raid enemy supply stations and enemy fleets caught unawares.

  • @davidjackson3120
    @davidjackson3120 4 місяці тому

    Would we have any z1 Novas in the dominion war or any TOS/TMP era ships like we saw with the B'rel and Miranda from the Romulans?

  • @fightingfalcon777
    @fightingfalcon777 Рік тому

    Romulan Legions seem primarily to have three D’deridex quartaries and one Raptor quartarius. In your version of the Dominion War, are there any Romulan Legions that do the reverse: three Raptor quartaries and one D’deridex quartarius, or some other combination

  • @Titus-as-the-Roman
    @Titus-as-the-Roman 3 роки тому +1

    I read a book several years ago titled "Spock's World" (sorry but I do not remember who wrote it), it went into the entire history of Vulcan and included the departure of those that would become the Romulans, how they screwed political sides of that departure that stranded some on Remus and the mutational evolution of both.

  • @personbob8691
    @personbob8691 3 роки тому +1

    Nice

  • @joeclerkin2653
    @joeclerkin2653 3 роки тому +2

    Do you see the Romulans adopting the Scimitar class after the events of Nemesis? Or it was more of a one off design?

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому +2

      Elements yes and we see that in STO certainly the ability to fire while cloaked would be useful and in fact it's believed that the kerchan may be able to do so.

    • @steveotten9473
      @steveotten9473 3 роки тому

      @@venomgeekmedia9886 I still remember vividly when I saw ST6 Undiscovered Country in theatres and the part of the plot where the Klingon Warbird was able to fire cloaked....this fact was huge and much talked about amongst the fan base....and this was pre internet days. Nemesis was so bleh that I didn't even remember that the Schimitar was able to fired cloak. Granted that's not the foundation to the climax of the whole story like it was in ST 6, but it was overlooked and forgotten immediately it seems. Would of been sweet to get more lore on the cloak of the Schimitar and if it was based of data the romulans acquired in spy operations or if it was independently developed.

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому +1

      @@steveotten9473 i cover the scimitar's development in an episode of wings of Romulus, and i do try to answer those questions.

  • @trevynlane8094
    @trevynlane8094 2 роки тому

    Something to supplement the Romulan strategic situation with is two key issues facing them: they have the smallest population of all the major powers and the fewest Garden Worlds to support that population. It limits the actual number of ships that can be fielded more then any other resources available to a power.

  • @jessemay1547
    @jessemay1547 3 роки тому

    Top five Trek channel.

  • @Mark_of_the_Bear_Studios
    @Mark_of_the_Bear_Studios 3 роки тому

    I enjoyed seeing you working the Winged Defender and Whitewind vessels into the fleet discussion - I loved the FASA starship combat game universe, and thought some of those vessels were totally badass. My fave was the Defender, but thoughts on the Nova and Gallant Wing? Yes they undoubtedly fall into the TOS/1-6 movie era, but I think they’re as valid in the 24th century as the Miranda and Excelsior, especially given a smaller fleet trying to repurpose older vessels for maximum utility. And far more valid as 24c warships than the Oberth. I still have a small collection of these beauties, and as it turns out, they’re roughly the same scale as the original die-cast Enterprise D and the “Adversaries” styrene model kit containing the Ferengi Marauder, larger Klingon Bird of Prey, and the god-awfully big D’deridex.

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому

      I adore the nova class I'm hoping to get a revamped model made for a wings of romulus. As for its use in the 24th century I think the nova would persist through the lost era and would eventually be replaced by the warbirds unlike the bops which are small enough to be carried I think the nova would fall out of service.

  • @carolheward6479
    @carolheward6479 2 роки тому +1

    I wonder do romulam ships in battle block the line of fire for an enemy ship allowing a friendly romulan ship to decloak. I suppose multiple enemy ships in battle make that ineffective. Another good vid though man nice work.

  • @dustinshadle732
    @dustinshadle732 3 роки тому +1

    I wish Picard had been set closer to the last tng movie, but based from a romulan perspective. I find them. fascinating

  • @shanenolan8252
    @shanenolan8252 3 роки тому

    Oh thanks i was looking forward to this

  • @shanenolan8252
    @shanenolan8252 3 роки тому

    Wonderful art

  • @scarface1138
    @scarface1138 2 роки тому

    Who was the best Marc Alaimo's best role, Tebok, or Dukat?

  • @samuelvine
    @samuelvine Місяць тому

    Do you have any reading/listening recommendations for learning about doctrines and overall strategies? I'm very interested in how you learned how to set all this up. If there's a good UA-cam channel for this, I'd be highly interested too :)

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  Місяць тому

      i mean theres this channel. and general "military history" youtube

    • @samuelvine
      @samuelvine Місяць тому

      @@venomgeekmedia9886 Ah, but no specific recommendations then, ok ty.

  • @sovietdominion
    @sovietdominion 3 роки тому

    Sounds like a risk fleet strategy with some fleet in being mixed in

  • @bookishjungle7553
    @bookishjungle7553 3 роки тому

    My question is how do remens fit into the doctrine?

  • @MackeyDeez
    @MackeyDeez 3 роки тому +3

    My take on the Romulan war doctrine or strategy is that they prefer to set an enemy up for a turkey shoot. Romulan Dedrix birds of prey cannot engage in battle with an enemy starship blow for blow. Because being powered by a quantum singularity makes a Warbird equivalent to a hydrogen filled dirigible. Therefore their strategy is to strike first, strike fast, and strike hard by decloaking and delivering as much damage as possible to an enemy ship in case the engagement goes longer than anticipated.
    Also when it comes to setting up an enemy for "the turkey shoot" strategy the Romulans do this by intentionally losing battles over small territories. Allowing the enemy to build their forces up unkowningly surrounded by a squadron of cloaked Romulan warbirds. And when the order is given the Romulans will decloak and wipe out the entire enemy fleet.

    • @gmradio2436
      @gmradio2436 2 роки тому

      You seem knowledgeable, can you answer a question for me?
      Why do people think Warbirds are easily destroyed? I have trouble seeing it as a cloaking device on a slow ship makes escape difficult.

    • @MackeyDeez
      @MackeyDeez 2 роки тому

      @@gmradio2436 D'deredix is powered by a quantum singularity and singularities deals with gravity. Therefore the ship itself can only take so, many hits before having to withdraw from an engagement. Just like how a warp core breach means complete destruction for a starfleet vessel however I believe that the Romulans cannot eject their quantum singularity power source because it's part of their cloaking device. And that's the design flaw.

    • @gmradio2436
      @gmradio2436 2 роки тому +1

      @@MackeyDeez
      Wait, this is all about Singularity Cores? I don't see how the fact it has a different power source inherently makes structural integrity weaker. If the argument is gravity from the core could be an issue, I would like to point out that artificial gravity control and hull integrity fields exist in this setting. I suppose if there is an argument for a Federation ship might be designed to handle an internal explosive failure, where Romulan would handle an implosive failure. That might be a point in favor of being more durable.
      We never see a singularity generator fail in combat, even when the warbird is destroyed. It would have been very obvious with the ship being pulled into the singularity. If anything, barring alien reproduction, has there been an issue with them?
      Can a Singularity Core eject? No clue. Pulling from beta sources, possibly.
      Wait, Singularity Cores are not part of a cloaking device. We see cloaking devices on federation vessels. Everyone's favorite scrapper Defiant had one installed.
      Honestly I was expecting a argument based on armor, design, and doctrine. If Singularity cores came up, maybe talking about how the probably produce less power for longer operational range.

  • @ussvoyager8650
    @ussvoyager8650 3 роки тому

    I totally love the Romulans Commanders Sela & Donatra R my favourite Romulans

  • @jasonsylvander3089
    @jasonsylvander3089 3 роки тому +2

    I wish we could have seen the full power of the d'deridex warbird in battle......

  • @TK199999
    @TK199999 2 місяці тому

    It is suggested that the Dominion purposely targeted Romulan ships first. Seeing them as the weakest and that with small numbers of Romulan ships (its believed their fleet period was smaller than the UFP and Klingons) to knock them out of battles as quickly as possible.

  • @thomassalois3508
    @thomassalois3508 3 роки тому +1

    The Romulan Scout ship is a kind of ship that Senator vreenak was killed on

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому

      No. Vreenak traveled on a much smaller shuttle. We don't see the scout outside of tng.

  • @elcowabungahe-man6156
    @elcowabungahe-man6156 3 роки тому

    Great video lumbering Bird😅😅😅😅

  • @ckmbyrnes
    @ckmbyrnes 3 роки тому

    If the D'deridex is acting as a sort carrier for smaller attack ships used for defense, why put warp drives on the smaller ships? Why not design a small attack ship dedicated to engaging small targets but has no warp capabilities? This ship would be small, fast and probably maneuverable without the extra weight, could dedicate 100% of its power to weapons and shields, and be simpler to maintain and operate.

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому

      you still want the attack ships to have independent capability for scouting, skirmishing, ect. but the D'deridex could definitely carry a fighter complement on top of that specifically for more close-in defense and interception. but most of the time the warp powered escorts would be sufficient since whatever is engaging the d'deridex would have to be warp capable itself and so subject to the same limitations as the escorts.

  • @jonsouth1545
    @jonsouth1545 3 роки тому +1

    Your whole concept that the Romulan fleet didn't have numbers doesn't match up with DS9 through both visuals of the battles in seasons 6 and 7, as well as dialogue regarding the Breen dampening weapon it is clearly stated that the Romulan fleet is bigger than the Klingon fleet but slightly smaller than the Federation fleet.

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому +3

      I don't take those visuals too seriously since they heavily scaled the warbirds down and were generally nerfed that dialogue would run counter to the lore which suggests that the romulans had the least numbers.

    • @jonsouth1545
      @jonsouth1545 3 роки тому

      @@venomgeekmedia9886 the visuals do have issues but the dialogue doesn't "run counter to the lore" you have just chosen to ignore it for your own head cannon and your fleet doctrines show a very rigid 2 dimensional mentality in general and show only a very basic understanding of strategy.

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому +2

      @@jonsouth1545 dialogue can be inconsistent. Any headcanon I employ is informed by what we see on screen. Of course there is flexibility in this structure as laid out there is plenty of room to build on it.

  • @UniversalChallenge4454
    @UniversalChallenge4454 2 роки тому +1

    The nerexon has one docking point

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  2 роки тому

      intresting. where is it?

    • @UniversalChallenge4454
      @UniversalChallenge4454 2 роки тому

      @@venomgeekmedia9886 at the stern in between the wings meant or a scoutship but could be modified for a white wind

  • @shanenolan8252
    @shanenolan8252 3 роки тому +1

    Like in datas day , five warbirds vs the enterprise. Riker ( some days you get the bear some days the bear gets you )

  • @jasonsylvander3089
    @jasonsylvander3089 3 роки тому

    Now I want to go play armada lol

  • @Shaden0040
    @Shaden0040 3 роки тому +3

    Romulan ships are like nuclear powered submarines.

  • @warhawk4494
    @warhawk4494 3 роки тому

    Ah gotta love the evil vulcans

  • @Qardo
    @Qardo 3 роки тому +1

    Romulans didn't have this need to crew their ships. Of course, a Romulan Fleet could operate without restrictions. Able to strike so deep in areas that would tactically impossible. Even if you stock a ship with supplies to last the trip there and back. Still, be a stressful trip. Even under cloak. Yet remove that organic element. You could send a warbird out to strike terror into the enemy forces. All by striking where they least expect to be attacked.
    I mean just imagine a Warbird simply appearing in the space over Earth and fires down onto the planet. Just random but is strategic attacks. Even if the Warbird was destroyed by the Fleets around Earth. It would send such a clear message. Nothing is untouchable when it comes to the Romulans. Then, get news other Federation Planets were also attacked. Fleetyards damaged or destroyed, academies in disarray, general populations terrified, and the lost of life.
    In my mind. This is a very Romulan thing to do. It may seem random and seemingly wasteful. Yet to undermine the moral of your foe with a one well placed strike. To ensure them to come to talk terms of whatever. To hold all the cards. Extremely Romulan.

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому +1

      a very interesting idea they do continue to use remote control technology during the romulan-earth war. but the seem to have abandoned it by the 23rd century.

    • @jasonskeans3327
      @jasonskeans3327 3 роки тому +1

      @@venomgeekmedia9886 the remote control needs that sub species of andorians and captain archer discovered that and the imperial guard on adoria clamped down on there borders

  • @lanebowles8170
    @lanebowles8170 3 роки тому +1

    No arguments with this in the 2360's to the Dominion War.

    • @venomgeekmedia9886
      @venomgeekmedia9886  3 роки тому +1

      Yeah romulan doctrine during the tos and tmp era would look very different.

    • @lanebowles8170
      @lanebowles8170 3 роки тому

      @@venomgeekmedia9886 Personally, I prefer the idea that the Romulans turned to this "Strategic Maneuver" (including stealth and deception) as mostly the result of their humiliating defeat during the Earth-Romulan War. Sure, that wasn't all, but it was the biggest reason. After the Earth-Romulan War and the internal chaos that would have ensued, once the Romulans "returned" to the wider galaxy, their enemies (primarily the Federation and Klingons?) were just too powerful in the traditional direct war strategy for the Romulans to practically compete. This disparity grew worse (if only in culture if nothing else) during the Romulans' second period of isolation before TNG.
      Thus, I take the TOS and TMP eras as a sort of transitional period where there still were enough of the "old guard" who favored the more traditional means of war, and technology such as the cloaking device and propulsion technology wasn't at the point where the Romulans could employ the TNG era "Strategic Maneuver". However, the Romulans were moving in that direction.
      Any further thoughts?

  • @georgeb8328
    @georgeb8328 Рік тому

    Please buy a pop filter sir.

  • @ChrisSmith-qx6wt
    @ChrisSmith-qx6wt 3 роки тому

    To all my romulan brothers use your cloaking devices damn it🤔