History Quotes Ep. 1 - Memnon, the Ethiopian King Who Fought Achilles in the Trojan War
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Welcome to my new series, History Quotes, where I use historical texts to tell the stories of the past. In this first episode, I will read an excerpt from an epic poem, Quintus of Smyrna's Posthomerica, which was likely written in the 4th century AD. In it he tells of the defense of troy by an Ethiopian army and their King Memnon, the demigod son of Eos, goddess of the morning dawn.
Image Sources:
Troy: Fall of a City - Netflix Trailer
Troy Movie Trailer - Warner Bros. Entertainment
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Historical Sources:
Quintus Smyrnaeus - The Fall of Troy Book 2
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Pausanias, Description of Greece - 1.42
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Manetho - www.scribd.com...
Pliny the Elder - The Natural History - 10.37
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Sad to think that the troy movie left out memnon imagine seeing the battle between the 2 demi gods
This was great, it's a shame "Hollywood" leaves Memnon out at every opportunity...wonder why...hmmm?
A lack of creativity?
@@yupper4030 He was hinting at racism but sure that too
why do you think???you think Memnon was black???
The Iliad is huge to put everything in a movie is almost impossible
@@EudaimonV He was lol
The Trojan War was really the Endgame of Greek mythology. Every single remotely important, or even known group showed up.
Odyssey took place after the Trojan War.
@@hydrolito Since they’re both part of the Epic Cycle, I consider them connected. Along with that, when did I mean the Odyssey?
All of this is the proof to me of the Fallen and there offspring, from Achilles to menon were all known to be Giants.
Correct me if I'm wrong, he was a prince born from an Ethiopian queen and Trojan kingship.
He was born of a Greek god eos however he's darkskin, destined to rule Ethiopia
@@nilevalleyafrican9451 please provide documentation, I know he was a demi god of Kush
@@Deeznutz002 so your first statement above needs no correction
That's why he went to fight there in the first place
married a trojan queen so he had ties with the trojans thats all
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The Judgement of Paris at The Wedding of Zeus
Most likely, he was a Nubian Pharoah from Egypt and ally of Troy.
How can you bring up Egypt. Homer says Ethiopia. He was a prince, not a Pharoah. Homer knew about Egypt and Pharaoh's but he described a Ethiopian built like a massive hero. Even the Bible speaks of a powerful Ethiopian army.
He was not Nubian nor Ethiopian or African black for that matter.
The key part of the story just like Hector he died so I'm not mad or surprised his people should've carried on his name and story nobody else.
What do you mean?? Who's people are you talking about??
Pay attention to the name of the poem.Did this great war really occur in the Americas?Message!!!
Where did you get that??
Memnon is not ethiopia now but old ethiopia (Sudan now)
Ethiopia was just where black people resided. Sudan was part of Ethiopia, Ethiopia was part of Ethiopia, everything below the Sahara was Ethiopia.
Nubians are gone now so modern Sudan has nothing to do with it, Nubians are now a minority in Egypt and absent in Sudan. Also, Ethiopia to the Greeks was south of Nubia/Sudan so it was probably referring D’mt, the Ethiopians and the portrayal of Ethiopians were Caucasian but black skinned while Sudanese people have Bantu/Nilote features
@@JohnDoe-sw1rs
Nubian is Sudan now
In the ancient Sudan, it went through several names, including Ta-sity, Kush, Ethiopia, Nubia, and finally Sudan
@@JohnDoe-sw1rs
The history of Sudan is the first in Africa, and it preceded Egypt by many years. Rather, Egypt is an extension of Sudan, for example, the ancient civilization of Khartoum, dated 12000 BC, Ta Sity, Kerma, Napata, Meroe, then Nobatia, Makuria, Alwa and other civilizations
@@تهارقاالسوداني Nubian people live in Egypt mostly. Modern Sudanese people aren’t Nubians
@@JohnDoe-sw1rs No, the Sudanese people are Nubian , not Egypt
Nubian is a modern name that appeared in 550 AD. We are talking about a people Kingdom of Kush
Memnon was never the King his uncle was King Prim, his father was Prince. Please get OUR-story correct
What do you mean by " Our story"???
Memnon is a Hellenic poem written and created by Homer In his Epic the Iliad. Memnon was not African black.
@@EudaimonV he was Aethiopian, so yeah he was. However, he was mythical, so this moot
@@moderatecanuck Aaaa No it doesn't go like that. Memnon is written by Hellenic scholers/poets it's a Hellenic myth/epic poem. Not a African story.
@@moderatecanuck Ok. No one depicts him being African black. Not Homer who created the myth and the characters in the Iliad-Odyssey. Not Hesiod In Theogony nor Quintus introduction to Memnon. No One says he was African black not even in this video it doesn't say that. It's surely not a African story for crying out loud. But they All say the same thing about his parents. Memnon was the son of Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon. Two Mediterranean olived skin parents don't make a black African baby. Who treveled to Aethiopia The Land of the burnt face men Aethiopia was not a country back then Aethiopia was referring to the people living South of Egypt. Just because he was born there doesn't make him African black. Where Memnon grows to become king of THE Aethiopians.
@@moderatecanuck Just because it's a myth doesn't give people the right to claim a Hellenic epic poem. You understand?? It's disrespectful.
Memnon was a Trojen hero of Hellenic heritage (Not Black) ruled over Ethiopia. Troy was just another Hellenic City State. Like Mecedonia , Attica , Lacoinia , Ethiopia and so much more .Son of Tithonus and Eos. Nephew of Priam. How the heck is he black??
Not everyone is Greek
@@dion7850 Argee but irrelevant. Memnon is not African black nor African history/mythology. It's about the Epic The Iliad that Homer wrote and he does not depict him African black. Memnon Son of Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to King Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon. He was Trojan Hellenic. Homer the writer dose this inorder to relate and connect Memnon with Troy and give him a reason to add Troy. Priam sends a message to Memnon his nephew to help and protect the land of his Father , Tithonus. Troy In the Iliad is just another Hellenic City State , like Sparta , Mycenae and more. Of course not everything is Hellenic but Memnon was not African. Africa is rich in it's own history and mythology has it's own God's , heroes and story's. Dose not have to claim this one. This is not one of them.
@@dion7850 Hoped I helped
@@EudaimonV Misinformation does not help. Memnon was black. Everyone knows it but you.
@@jedimastermacewindu6930 I'm sorry only afrocentric people believe that. Memnon has nothing to do with African history mythology or culture. He was Not created by African scholers he is Not In African history or mythology his parents were Not African black people he is Not described being African black he is Not a African black Hero. He is a Hellenic Hero in Hellenic Epic Poems created by Hellenic scholers based on Hellenic Mythology related around Hellenic culture. And They do not describe him as a African black man or having African characteristics. Have some respect. Africa is rich and beautiful in it's own story's of God's heroes and mythology like Shango Dorobo Olorun Eshu Anansi Mawu Shaka ect why try to claim another civilization Hero. It's clear as daylight son of Tithonus and Eos two Hellenic Mediterranean olived skin people. You are so desperate to be recognized that you fill yourself with lies and propaganda to make yourself feel good and to connect yourself to a known and and recognized story. Shame on you, Pethetic.
NO NO HE WASNT BLACK
He isn't a black African hero. The video doesn't say that. He is a Hellenic hero in a Hellenic epic poem written by Hellenic scholar's in the Hellenic language based on Hellenic mythology related to Hellenic culture.
@@EudaimonV Sarcasm
@@AFRICA4AFRICANS A Ok.
So you know that he is NOT a African black hero and that he doesn't have African features or characteristics.?
@@AFRICA4AFRICANS because Africa is rich and beautiful in its own stories of God's Heroes history mythology and culture like Sango Dorobo Oluron Ananci Mauw Eshu Saka Imhotep Amun Ra ect Egypt the kingdom of Kush Nubia the legends of Yoruba ect. There is no need to claim Hellenic culture.
Memnon is Hellen.
Memnon, Achilles Andromeda Zeus Odysseus ect are Hellenic Heroes.
Not African black characters. Like a lot of Afrocentric people believe.
@@EudaimonV are you serious?