BEST BMW M54 M52tu M56 HOW TO SET Double VANOS timing THE EASY WAY
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BEST BMW M54 M52tu M56 HOW TO SET Double VANOS timing THE EASY WAY this video makes it so easy anyone can do it, this is the complete timing procedure step by step a MUST WATCH if you own a car with either of these engines e46 e39 e53 x5 323i 323ci 325i 325ci 325xi 328i 328ci 328xi 330i 330ci 330xi 525i 528i 530i
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I'm going to rebuild overheated M54B30 on 330xi E46. Most of all I was worried about timing, but now everything is very clear! Thank you so much!
Subscribed. Will reference your videos when rebuilding my double vanos. I love the german engineering and the way everything lines up. Your vid gave me a lot of confidence that I can do this myself and save heaps.
Your videos are so very helpful and easy to follow along. I would be lost without them, thanks again.
Love the ads I get on your videos, Miller High life, BMW and then a 60 year old man picking up chicks! Thanks for the great videos they really help me do the DYI thing. Bravo
Hello Nathan, thanks so much for your video, I imagine it's one that will be greatly appreciated by many. I've been looking for a timing instruction video for some time now. (pardon the pun) Yes, I will subscribe to your pages and also look forward to the great fixes you can teach us all. Again, thanks very much.
fantastic explanation
Thank you, sir.
I appreciate your help!
Ok I will! Thanks again
Very helpful sir thank you
So I replaced them and put it all together 😀 But I jumped the gun. Now I have to set timing. I thank you for all that you can help me with.
+Kevin Pryor Just take off the valve covers , that should be all you need to remove to set timing
Nathan I love your channel if you are ever in NYC I owe you a drink! your vanos timing video saved me, big time.
I am glad it helped you out and thanks for watching
makedatbootyshake718 you owe him a hand job with greasy mechanic hands
Great video...
I have the timing tools as well as the socket to adjust the exhaust. I know that this is a major job, but I couldn't afford to pay a garage and I already put new guide rails on it. This automobile Is the only thing That stops me from doing my duties to my daughter. So it is so important for me to fix it.
+Kevin Pryor I will try to help you all i can man but since i dont have a video of this it will be difficult, first off did the chain derail or break? or was it just making noise s you decided to do the guides?
Nathan, Thanks again, I wouldn't have gotten this far without your help, just finished setting up the timing and after the one rotation test everything is looking good!
If you start the car and there is no check engine light for camshaft timing then you are good to go
What is my course of action if it does light up? Do you ever use that pneumatic banjo bolt tool that comes in the kit to check the timing? Thanks
That will not tell you if the timing is right the tool will only insure it actuates, if the timing is of you will have to pull the coil packs and valve cover and vanos to re-time it
Hi Nathan,can i change the guide rails for primary timing chain wothout removing the head only the timing cover and with the engine on the car? Thanks.
if you don have an impact, what are your suggestions of how to remove the crank pulley #22 bolt? FYI, i didn't take the whole engine block out of the car
Just perfect. Thank you so much from sweden
+Clintan66 No problem i am glad it helped !
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I've done it twice already. Both times same results will try again next weekend.
+Orlando Duncan PM me on facebook nathan's diy garage and i will send you a link
Hi, could you measure the exact depth of two grooves in your adjustment tool? These two where the cam shafts need to come in. It might be ca. 13.1mm and 3,5mm but I'm not sure. Thanks!
Nice!
Love the help videos. I have a M54 I am working on and needed to see how to put all the the timing sprockets back together. I lost the video I made when taking it apart!! Can't remember the order of the springs and plates for both intake and exhaust. You have a video for that??
+Steve Chancey This video should show everything you need
G'day Nathan thanks for your helpful vid, but gee mate it's a long list of Bimmers there but no Z4 E85 which has the M54 engine so do you know if it's the same for the Zed .. I know I'm being a bit cheeky in asking but hey if you don't ask? Cheers Johno
I have a E39 528i with a similar transmission issue but my abs and traction control system seem to be involved, do you have any feedback on this ?
Thanks again ,I will k3p you all posted
cool stuff
Hey thanks ,I see that the threads pull easy on these guy says never overheated motor into limp mode,but had to add coolant
+paul cwikla Yea its like any other car if you overheat it it is going to ruin the engine, alot of times they will pull the stud before cracking the head, which is good since thats a $20 fix, instead of a $400+ head
thanks for your quick response is this something a seasoned vet can do if he has a lot of experience but none on bmw
+paul cwikla as long as you watch the videos on the timing and how to do the head bolt time serts, on these engines it never is the head gasket it is always a cracked head or puled threads.
Can you do timing without useing the jig? I don't have one were would I even find one?
Yes I remove the valve cover plus the top timing chain cover I have the timing tensioner the mechanical one I have the pin locked in the crankshaft I just couldn't place the camshaft locks on because one of them was off
+Kevin Pryor You will need a volt meter set to beep on ohms and you will need to turn the vanos units on each side all one way until you get a beep then lave it there, tighten the bolt and install the vanos jigs to set the timing wheels
thank u sir and i love the channel just bought this bmw and your channel has been a big help. With all the bmw's you work on do you sell any interior parts.
Right now i only have e39 interior parts
Can the cones for the cam timing be set manually or Is the vanos jig required ? Can I not just mark the postiions before I remove the vanos and use the marks a reference ? If the camshafts are locked then they cannot move anyway.
Good morning Nathan! I hope that all is well. Can you please treat me like a 5th grader and give me details step by step as if the only thing that I did was set the OT in place and put the crankshaft pin in to lock the flywheel and then put the mechanical tensioner on to keep tension on guide rail. Can we please start from lining up the cam which is out of line.
thanks so much for the video wish I found it sooner as there are not many avaliable with double vanos timing in great detail. like yourself I bought a 325i cheap with a blown head. tore it all down had the head ground (long aluminuim heads wrap easy ) and I put oversized gasket in.
I've had the car apart 4 times now in which I believe is timing related. when I hit 40mph the cams don't seem to advance and car falls flat on its face. I never used the jig you have in the video had people describing they were not needed as long as the helical splined cup showed 1mm of spline
after 8 shops wouldn't take the car and the 1 shop that would wouldn't give me a ball park estimate, had me by the balls... I've never had anyone work on my cars but these German cars are a different breed. ended up buying the jig and will use your video for reference thank you again. will keep you posted
+crackerjacker4 I have not done this without the vanos jig, did you drill and time sert the head bolt holes in the bock? that was guaranteed your problem to start, these have a metal layerd head gasket that never blows.did all the head bolts torque down to around 65ft lbs?
crackerjacker4 any updates?
Hello. Just a question, If I only need to replace old vanos seals, there is no need to use a vanos timing tool right.
Engine: M52TUB25
Thank you
GREAT VIDEO... IM IN THE MIDDLE OF REBUILT WHOLE ENGINE.. I SEND MY BLOCK TO CUT AND MAKE NEW COILS FOR THE HEAD.. I DIDNT KNOW ABOUT THE VANOS GAP... I JUST GET TJE TOOLS TODAY... I HAVE A FRIEND HE DID THE SAME BUT HE DINT DO THE VANOS ALIGMENT.. AND WHEN HE TURN ON THE CAR THE TIME RUN OVER...
+Mario Martinez For sure follow the procedure closely so you dont have big problems
thank you this is my first time rebuilt a e46.. i am e46 lover... thanks for the help
question, what is the purpose of using a Jig?
How long did the car run until you had to replace the chains?
only the three inverted torx are torqued to 15ft-lb and the 10mm on the exaust side is torqued to 10ft-lb.
also i do not know where my coolant is going for the last 2 months car has been sitting for 2 weeks coolant is still there but i noticed coolant on hose to the right of the car next to radiator
Thanks for the informative video. In your opinion is the double VANOS setup on a V8 like the s62 about the same only you have to do the set up twice? (As in both sides). Thanks
It is totally different , i have m62tu timing videos up on my channel
Hi Nathan, comparing your videos to my m52tu (2000 z3 2.8) it looks like the helical spines on the end of my camshafts are not oriented the same as in your videos thus the timing components do not seem to line up the same as it does in your videos. from what I've seen and read, the front of the notches (missing tooth) in the helical cam splines should be at 12 o'clock in relation to the top of the head when locked in top dead center but on mine they seem to have been installed incorrectly or have spun from the proper position. they seem to be more at 11:30 for the exhaust cam and 11 o'clock for the intake cam when compared to the top dead center position in relation to the head and the square ends on the other end of the camshafts. Should I loosen the bolts ( they are tightly torqued) at the end of the cam splines and tighten the splines back down with the front of the notches in the 12 o'clock position in relation to the top of the head (tdc)?, I was thinking a metal straight edge would work from what I've read that others have done. What is the best way to do this? Have you ever seen them spin out of time like this or is this a sign that they were installed incorrectly during previous ownership. I would love to hear your experience on this, Thanks.
Where can I buy this timing kit
I'm gonna start tomorrow, the head bolts won't retighten? whys that?
Just fixing to replace my chain guide rail. My question is if i can remove timing cover with out removing the head. Im have way through. Just need to remove timing cover. Haven found a video on chain guide replacement. Please advise.
Hello yes you can, I did a video last week showing how to remove the vanos and valve cover, there are small inverted torx screws that go in from under the valve and go into the timing cover, while you are in there I would do the vanos seals since they are only around $40 I also did a video on that , let me know if you need help with anything I have a couple cars apart here right now if you need to see pics
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Hi thanks for your videos. they are very usefull to understand bmW mechanics. I have a question: my daugter's Serie 1 bmw broke down. we suspect the timing chain failure which common with 2007 bmw engines. how can check that without going to bmw services. it keeps crancking and no start . thanks once more.
+Abderrahmane gouasmi You need to do a compression check, you should be able to buy the gauge cheap, it screws in your spark plug hole
+Nathan's DIY Garage Ok it is a cheap and a good idea. Thank you. i will keep watching your videos. Au revoir.
Nice video very useful information, I'm working on a head gasket repair this coming up week I've gotten it tore down and bought the 500 dollar time cert kit lol you don't happen to have a link to where you purchased your kit from do you? I'm a firm believer in doing it right the first time, any help would be appreciated
i get them from amazon, m10x1.50 i think they are $25
everything seemed good, my buddy installed the head, and he's say noway the gasket it blown! it's smoking and dripping water from the exhaust and bubbles like there's an air line in there! can run it for about 5 minutes before it gets to the hot on the temp gauge
Any codes? Misfires?, does the exhaust smell like antifreeze?
What is name of the machine for sitting the timing ?
Followed this exactly on my 2001 bmw x5 3.0i, and now I'm getting a check engine light saying timing on intake and exhaust over advanced. also showing a p0365 code what could be the issue?
+Orlando Duncan I would say you didnt do something right, did you make sure the cones were against the vanos jig at the end?You must mak sure the main timing chain exhaust sprocket is lined up with the edge of the head perfectly, its easy got get it a tiny bit wrong
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No problem but i urge you to watch my other time cert videos, there is a 80% chance you will have to do that, i like to take the valve cover off and first put a torque wrench on the head bolts, if they are loose and will not tighten you will have to put new time certs in, goodluck and thanks for watching.
Only one thing is not clear for me: with which torque main chain tensioner must be tightened?
Hi Nathan.
thank you for the info. I had a overheated engine 2002 x5 3.0. I replace the head gasket and a rebuilt head, which came with the cams and valves. I follow your instructions using the proper timing tools. the engine wont start. it's very obvious that something is not right. it will crack but tons of white smoke comes out of the head. not from the exhaust but from the oil cap.
Note: gasoline is about a year old and there is power on the coils.
I am not a mechanic.
Any idea? Thank you
+Federico Rodriguez did you make sure the dots were up on the camshaft squares, other wise it could be the fuel pump
Or check the fuse in the small 5 fuse holder in the ecu box in the passenger side wiper cowl
Awesome video except one thing. The cones are different. If you look at the inside at the splins, one is wider than the other.
You only slide in the flywheel pen ? Because it slides very easy. Just slide it in and no more?
yeah I think so, and don't hear any cluttering like metal breaking
What happens if the cones are'nt pressed against the jigg correctly?? Greetings from sweden!
+Jesper Stahring Hello, what will happen is the check engine light will stay on and the codes will say timing over advanced, you will have to do the job over again to get the light to go off.
Nathan, there is an interesting issue I have found with setting the engine at TDC. If I use the rear locating pin as you describe just under the starter motor, my timing mark on the front camshaft chain cover is out to the belt drive pulley. Not by much but certainly out. To look at, it would be around 30mm out of alignment. Can you explain which TDC I should take? The rear pin position, which to me appears to be wrong as it doesn't seem to be TDC according to the motion/rotation of the engine or should I take the front alignment position according to the front cover mark and the pulley marking, which to me appears more correct to TDC ? I'm kinda thinking that for the sake of timing, one is preferred to the other. Is that true ?
Hope I haven't got you confused :)
+Antonio Di Cappo Well i would say at this point use the locating pin, the timing marks on the pulley could be wrong due to it being reinstalled wrong if someone has had it apart, it is a 2 piece pulley, all the flywheels are made the same so i doubt the flywheel would be wrong, just make sure you have the pin in the correct flywheel hole, the pin should go in over half way and when you try to turn the crankshaft with a rachet it should not move at all either direction, if it does you have the wrong hole in the flywheel.
Nathan's DIY Garage!I'm trying to set my timing on my 2000 bow 740i. How do I set the cams so that I can install the cam locks? The cams on the passenger side are off ( the outer one is in position but the other one is off. Please help me!
+Kevin Pryoron the center of the cam there is a spot to put a wrench, just turn the cam and make sure the dots are facing up on the rear cam squares, this video is not for a 740, you have the m62tu it is a whole different procedure
Can you make a video off timing a e46 318i if you cant?
+FireAlin I would love to make a video on that but unfortunately they never made the 316i or 318i in the e46 chassis in the U.S., they stopped those models i the e36 model
More than likely will not be able to get a torque wrench on the main tensioner, I use the fan tool wrench or a adjustable wrench and tighten it like you would a spark plug, hand tighten to snug then another 1/2 turn with a wrench or until it is comfortably tight , make sure you clean the aluminum washer and it should seal fine, I never have any problems using this method, the correct torque is 52 ft pounds but I find torquing it to that spec might make it really difficult to get off if you do not have a 32 deep socket
Where did you get the vanos block from?
This one is from ebay
I can't find the tool that slides inside the cam.
www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-M52TU-M54-M56-Camshaft-Alignment-Double-Vanos-Timing-Tool-Kit-Free-Shipping-/351224652618?hash=item51c69ee34a:g:otUAAOSwcldUZt9~&item=351224652618&vxp=mtr
that is the tool set i have
Where can I buy a service manual that shows this? I'll be completely rebuilding my 320i 6 cyl engine.
bmw.n84.eu/e46/E46_Bentley_Service_Manual.pdf
Nathan, so I finished the head gasket and putting the bmw 325xi together. Now when I start it up its seems to run fine, BUT something isn't right! After the car warms up it starts to run hot. I opened the radiator and I get shit loads of bubbling! Headgasket fail?
did you install the time serts in the block? did the head bolts tighten down right ?
About to pull the head off my 2003 325Ci ragtop. It has a blown head gasket so I'm taking it in for machining. Been watching all the m54 vids you posted trying to get ready. Thanks so much for the help! A couple questions, when I take the head in, should I bring it to the machine shop bare or with all the valves and springs still in the had? And are the Felpro head gaskets any good? What gasket do you like? Thanks!
James Pennington it won't be a blown head gasket , it will be either stripped head bolt threads in the block or a cracked head, these heads never warp a machine shop is not needed but a different head might be
Ah ok. I know the studs do tend to pull threads and I was planning to buy and install the time-certs kit you did a video on. Once I've got the the VC off I was going to check the torque and see if any have pulled loose, as per your other video. So I likely shouldn't need it machined then? Any common places to look for cracks in these heads?
James Pennington check Around the valves and coolant ports , the cracks will be obvious
Good deal, thanks for all the info you post, it's helped a ton so far. I'm not looking forward to the exhaust manifold part of the job but the rest seems fairly straight forward. Can you lap the valves on those heads or is that a bad Idea? I grew up working with American V-8's so this is new territory for me :)
Question....
I bought an amazon $75 dual vanos timing plate(gauge/tool). Problem is, it looks a bit generic. And there are set-screws, to set the distance of the plungers, that contact the gear cups. The prob is that they are square ended screws, but the plungers that determine the distance for the cap placement of the gears..... well that area is circular. So first I’m not sure if the set screws should be loose or tight.???? And second, how can I know if they are gonna place the vanos cups at the right depth? Does anyone have a measurement of how deep each of those two cups should protrude passed the edge of the cylinder head block, where the vanos unit is later bolted??? Aka.... how far past that edge should each one be ????
My “tool” did not come with any instructions or measurements .
Somebody help .
Really worried about if this tool was built right.
is it possible to install it like you did except without the first jig? and the exhaust gear be a tooth off. but still run correctly?
MrAlexiasjones no you have to have the whole kit, they are getting cheaper to buy off eBay
I apologize looking at the video I'm speaking of the one you said would make it easier.
do I need to take motor out of an x5 to do head gaskets
+paul cwikla No you do not
Thank you my friend. I'm buying this tool just to put back together my Z3 M52TU . It's been sitting dead since 2013, typhoon Yolanda and 30 foot high waves. we will see......)
The NR. 1 piston has to be up,right? how you do that?
Gigi Chiru yes that piston has to be up I did some research and then you can do the rest of it
I can put the locking tool on one of the cams flush but the other is off.
did you solve the problem? I have the same problem as yours
if my oil is not milky looking but my tailpipe smokes until car is warmed up will that be a blown head gasket or is that due to cylinder 5 and 6 misfiring
Usually a head gasket problem will smoke once warmed up, if you see coolant you have a coolant leak not a blown head gasket, smell the exhaust when you start it does it smell sweet like coolant or does it smell like oil? or like nothing?
Geoffrey Taylor my 2 cents, had the same problem, oil not milky, car not smoking at all, I was losing coolant, I pour dye on colant use the UV light, open the oil cap filer and saw a bunch of coolant inside
Are you sure the 10mm nuts are torqued to 20Nm? Just broke a stud.
if you watch his other video that he did pretty much the same stuff, you'll notice he uses the torque spec that I have given. I got the torque specs from him he just accidentally overlooked it I guess.
Next time add a link to where you bought the tool.
If I rebuild the vanos do i Need to check timing?
As he said in another video if you don't touch it your find but if you bump it you do
I didn't see the holes on cam! Should there be other marks?
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yeah right,one more ?do I need to take out banks cells and clean them while all is off motor
I meant vanos cellenoids
So by turning the cam with the wrench, the other one will stay in place.
+Kevin Pryor No you have to put the blocks on as you are turning the cams so they pop in place, let me be very clear , you re trying a timing job that from 1-10 on difficulty this job is a 13, you will ned to launch a complete research campaign to get it figured out, you will need the timing tool kit for the m62tu with vanos, there are special jigs to time the vanos timing cogs, if you are doing this job because of failed chain guides you must remove the oil pan an remove the oil pickup tube since the screen and tube will be full of plastic from the chain guides, some guys remove the oil pump and clean it also, if you do not do this the engine will start knocking because lack of oil, you will also need a voltmeter to set vanos position, i do not have a video of this up yet, you will need to try and find a video of the procedure, as of a month or so ago there was not one up...
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Hey Nathan, we replaced the head today only to discover that the head bolts have stripped the thread of a few bolts in the engine block. What the hell do we do now?
Have you come across this problem in the past and if so, how have you solved this?
Did you use Heli coils? If so, which type (part #) etc did you use? Can you possibly give me an eBay link to the right coils to use or even a link to the correct coils from a manufacturer? As much info would be greatly appreciated. Do you have a email address I can write to? Thanks so much.
+Antonio Di Cappo Yes these engines do that, luckily i did several videos on stripped head bolts and i have a step by step process on how to fix that, i am putting 2 links 1 for the how to video and 1 for the amazon link so you ca buy the time serts, you can also go to my facebook page and pm me if you like
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www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IPMR4B8?refRID=F91SM5BM8TS22BQNRMJY&ref_=pd_cart_rp_1_2_p
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I can put the locking tool on one of the cams flush but the other is off.
Can you help me?
Hello sorry for the late response, the cam has a nut toward the middle that you can put a wrench on, then you can turn it to set the cam tool
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Thanks for the vid, Ive done the same but when I turn the crank 720° then recheck the timing the exhaust cam is always a few degrees retarded, any ideas?
would that fit in a e46
This video is for the e46 m54 and m52tu
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i replaced my head awhile back but it doesn't fires anymore (starter fluid & carb cleaner)
+Dexter Sullen (TRUTH) Did you get the timing set correctly?
+Nathan's DIY Garage I have to recent videos I posted on my channel timing, and not won't start. can you take a look at them
Dexter Sullen It sounds like it is out of time, did you use the timing block kit like in my video? Did the head bolts tighten down correctly or are they stripped?
+Nathan's DIY Garage well I didn't use timing kit, just documented and remember exact locations well I thought
+Nathan's DIY Garage but I can just buy timing kit and be done
yes, multiple cylinder misfire, and it's smoking white and smells funny,we're just using water until we got it right, but that never happened! I'm so pissed, feel defeated. Makes me wanna rip it all apart. But wanna make sure that's really the issue, my buddy insists it's not the gasket! idk
Start taking it back apart, i bet you will either find the head bolts are loose and wont tighten or there is a crack in the head
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Can I please contact you later? I have to run out to pickup my wife since I'm using her car.
+Kevin Pryor sure, contact me on my facebook later and i will send you my number
was thinking of just taking a hole head of another car at the junkyard. th
You cant trust a junkyard head, these cars have problems with the head bolts stripping in the block, in that case you have to install time serts, i have a video up of how to do that if needed, if the head is cracked you can see it on the bottom surface
It was making noise from timing rails being broke.
+Kevin Pryor Well at least you had common sense enough to take it apart before it broke and bent the valves, so if you watch the m54 timing video you are commenting on i show the markings on the camshafts that need to be facing up
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'Best' is pretty rich considering how crap the video quality is. I am after where to put the timing pin and cannot see where you are pointing.
Too much advertising please