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@mikeseymour1792 na, there's others who can do the talking in a way that people don't feel threatened or intimidated. Sometimes the best thing a guard dog can do is lay quietly in the corner and watch.
I think Lion has the shield because he's the duelist, it forces him to see and do things differently. Same with Roboute, an administrator given a warriors weapon.
@@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736I mean, depending on how close they want to track historical Scandinavian lore, a cloak would be VERY appropriate for Russ.
"And to my unknowable but undeniably loyal son Jaghatai I bequeath the dark age of technology lightspeed megabike Incineratus, may he continue to run laps around the enemies of humanity as the only thing that cuts deeper than his perfect strikes are his merciless insults!"
I think it's interesting that the relics Guilliman and The Lion wield shore up the gaps in their war kit and are emblematic of their purpose in the new Dark Imperium. Guilliman launched a new crusade, an offensive blade strike against the enemies of humanity. The Lion and his protectorate seeks to shield humanity from the darkness of the 41st millennium. Makes me wonder what awaits future returned Primarchs. Hope it continues to subvert expectations. I've also thought for a while that the flames of the Emperor's sword aren't solely being fueled by his power. The Dark Imperium trilogy brings up the fate defying power of Guilliman's will more than a few times. I think that fire within is Gulliman's influence on the warp manifesting and also fueling the sword along with his father.
it's a solid explanation for why they got the weapons they did. Although in reality I think this happened because GW hadn't planned the story far enough ahead.
I think it shouldn't even be an artifact or weapon for each of them exactly. He just left a path for them, the mission, as part of His plan. For some He may leave instruction, for other knowledge, for another - a place? Ability to move (though Lion have it)? Brothers? Solutions? Wisdom? Opportunity? It could be anything, part of bigger game.
I agree with the reverted expectation trope. It would appear that the primarchs are going to be all over the galaxy as they make their returns. And it should be noted that many of them have been through some "opportunities for personal growth" So any of the emperors wargear that they get is to shore up a deficiency rather than enhance whatever their "best" feature may be. While little is directly said about their construction, the primarchs in a nutshell are the best possible meat suits for a bunch of warp spawned "Platonic Ideals" that managed a certain amount of conciousness because belief gets you power in the warp. Just look at the (relative) tiny amount of humans (and others) that exist within the tau empire. And from that we get a warp manifestation of "The Greater Good". So how hard is it for the Emperor (as 8000 psykers in a human looking Tenchcoat) to go to Moloc and bargain with those warp entities/minor gods/ancient animal spirits/jungian archetypes that for whatever reasons dont much care for the 4 major chaos powers. and somehow got 21 of them to sign up for the finest possible *human* suit in exchange for fealty to not just an emperor but The Emperor. Master of *Human* kind. (that last bit was a bit sticky for some) Sure Guilliman is wrapped up in roman splendor (because WG writers are brits) but he could just as much be an embodiment of the Han Celestial Bureaucracy. Take everything you (and everyone else) thinks they know about ravens and bundle it up in one primarch named Raven Raven. Spooky stories about predators that gain eternal life by consuming the life blood of others are as old as fire so of course you get vampire counts in space or Sanguineous. The once and future king of yore and all the regality that inspires is the Lion of course.
I agree; I think it's actually far more interesting when the gifts aren't the 'obvious choice'. IE, Vulcan getting a flamer or Corvax getting some stealth cloak would all be pretty disappointing and bland. Oh look Corax is now more Corvus. Kinda shallow. If they got something that adds breadth to the primarchs, that would be far more interesting.
I posted it just a few minutes ago but in a new space wolf book during a battle ragnar blackmane throws russ's spear into the warp and into magnus's eye closing a hole into the warp. So its in thousand son warp territory rn, if russ gets it back theres plenty of story potential on retrieving it right now but right now its unlikely hes going to get it back soon(if he returns soon)
Dont forget dorn collected a pair of hands from alpharius prior to introducing storms teeth to his skull. Dorn may well have both of his hands. They have retconned the status of dorns body several times. Once from being a whole body preserved in amber and then to just a hand with chapter masters names engraved upon it. I can see a further retcon where the hand was alpharius all along.
I think the cloak should go to whichever twin primarch is a loyalist be it alpharius or omegon. That seems like it would be a good fit given the cloak and dagger style of the alpha legion
They're already good at that, the Emperor's gifts seem to subvert each Primarch's style, to force them to change it up. So Alpharius or Omegon get the Emperor's blingiest item, or maybe the loudest- the Emperor's B.C. Rich guitar collection, along with Big E's Big Amps. The Noise Marines shake with jealousy.
Vulcan gets the big E’s lab coat. Russ gets the claw to shoot lightning like the Emperor. ( Odin/Thor) Dorn gets the Emperors Aegis to restore his body and mind after blaming himself for failing his father and humanity, also for losing to Perty. Kahn the Emperors super bike Corax maybe his wreath to focus that warp raven power, he can only use that form in the warp or am I mistaken?
Are you on the theory train that the forces of order and faith will get a pantheon? Ragnar Blackmane briefly wielded the Spear. He cast it into Magnus’ Eye and it was lost when the Daemon Primarch fell back through the portal. I would be surprised if we don’t see an Axe show up eventually. Ferrus is the primarch the imperium needs most right now. Think how much he could boost guilliman or the lion. He’s the support of the imperium
Obviously, Corax gets the talon because he's like a literal bird now and Dorn gets the gauntlet because of course the Imperial Fist gets a literal imperial fist.
@@leonhardablethe golden throne isn't one object or technological device. its a hodgepodge collection of macanial and physical components. i think he czn fix the individual components
@@noobatgames3321the thing about Perty although he understands It he cannot create the complexity of the parts of It and that is Where Vulcan Excell the Intriquet little details that makes things perfect.
All the Primarchs and even Emperor had so many weapons and relics they used. His claw is going to Corax 100%. His spear will be given to Russ, to make him Odin of Warhammer, he just needs to loose an eye.
I feel like Leman Russ is going to come back at the same time as corax and they've probably met up in the warp giving the whole Odin and his seeing Raven theme
I personally like the idea of dorn coming back closer to the templars. He's often seen as very literal and blunt. Factual and pragmatic. So, in light of the likely ascension of the emperor, it would be interesting to see him act on faith as well. Maybe something of an emperors champion of the primarchs? I feel that would be good closure after he was kind of forcefully ousted of leadership by Robute it could just be interesting. The scrimshawed hand acting as a bionic could be cool as a reminder of his sons stalwart faith in him after the cage incident too.
@@jeremyhess7977if its to be believed that spear was thrown by ragnar blackmane into the warp and into magnus during an invasion of a planet in the book grey hunter part of ragnar blackmanes book series
Guilliman & The Emperor's Sword on when he got it & its Daemon killing is a bit unclear since he stabs Magnus I believe with it on Luna so either it is something like a Psychic power vs Psychic power thing or that wasn't his sword. I am still a fan of him getting it from the Emperor after visiting him. I am guessing it is a tiny bit of the armour is put into the Crux, and the additions are what will be given. Khan with the Bolter, because him on a Bike using the Bolter would be really cool, as well I believe the last place it was scene or at least mentioned was the novel " The Master of Mankind" where the Emperor fought in the Webway so it could be just established the Bolter was left there and the Khan who is in the Webway finds it. Dorn getting the Claw, ya missing hand to be replaced, but as well the Claw is probably the 2nd most recognized thing the Emperor used under his Sword so the Imperial Fists Primarch getting it feels right while the Ultramarines's Primarch getting the Sword. Russ and the Spear, ya just we all know the things for it mentioned, most likely while he was gone he understood his Primarch gifts more so the Spear feels more natural to him. Corvus having the Cape & Pauldrons, really just bits to help him keep his Warp form to be able to stay in real space he will use his new powers for his weapons and abilities. Vulkan finally with the Halo, where it will play a role in keeping his sanity. I believe there will be 1 more Primarch to come back before any reunion, if you look through the Horus Heresy most significant Loyalist Primarch groupings were in groups of 3, I believe that will play a role in it, and the planet they will meet on is Armageddon (Ullanor).
I foresee that the emperor's gifts being some sort of balance and lesson for them. The Lion needs to learn that sometimes defending is the best thing he can do and Guilleman needs to learn to strike when the iron is hot so to speak.😊
If they bought back konrad curze I can see him getting the cloak. I just finished his primache book and it mentions him always just wearing a cloak of feathers, plus like you mentioned, he hates his brother because of his natural steath. And that cloak would make him true batman of 40k. It never mentions his death either... I don't think just that he is waiting for it. I am still pretty new, so I could be wrong.
I like the idea of the Kahn getting the emperor’s halo that acts as a warp beacon and he becomes the emperor’s comet flying across imperium nihilus stitching that part of the galaxy back together, and Dorn getting the claw could represent him having to make his sons more proactive and having to struggle with the fact that he’s started asking himself what would perturabo do against this threat
Im pretty sure it's hinted that Russ has psychic gifts already, his howl makes Thousand sons literally explode and he seems to have a very high immunity to psychic attacks hence why he bodies an enraged Magnus on Prospero. It would make sense too as if Russ was made to kill other primarchs he'd need to be able to combat their special gifts too
@@aligaterr5137 I've never thought of that but you might be onto something there. Psychic powers in warhammer are based on belief, orks believe red ones go faster so they do, Rune Preists and Stormseers believe they're not channelling the warp but the planets spirit or the storm and that seems to make it true. Maybe Russ' or the fenrisians latent powers have manifested as the wolf spirits they believe in.
@@tra779 as far as I understand it, rune-priests channel warp stuff though Morkai as a middleman of sorts, instead of from warp directly, that is why they don't label themselves as librarians.
Yeah there's a bit in one of the Chris Wraight books I can't remember which one I think it's the first of the trilogy he did, where a navigator talks about how the Space Wolves belief that their talismans protect them actually mean they work and they insinuate that the beliefs of the rune priests might work in a similar way. It's been a while since I read it though
It's an pretty awesome little scene when Lion takes up the shield for the first time. When he feels how incredibly powerful and aware of everything the Emperor was even as a human back in the days. The thing that bothers me is that they haven't explained or mentioned his new power armor. It doesn't feel like it's the armor he's wearing when he wakes up, based on the little description we get there.🤔
Vulkan gets... a flamer. With holy psyker fire, something he can't forge. That can permanently kill demons and melt even necrons, but doesn't harm loyalists.
That like perfect. Doe ... I kinda wonder if Vulcan found the Dark Age of Tech setup Big E had. Or like a Codex he set aside for someone to use later on.
What sacrifice did Sanguinius make. According to the new lore, all he did was die. He didn't create a nic in the armor to aid in horus' defeat and the emperor had already removed his emotions before seeing him.
His death is the sacrifice... he knew he was going to die from the very beginning, but still went willingly because the alternative was forsaking his father and turning to chaos. He sets an example for the surviving loyal sons and the rest of the imperium.
The old lore was always meant to be potentially unreliable and romanticized mythology, hence the frequently contradictory tales. This is why the new novels kill a lot of the aura for outright saying what actually happened.
@@hpph7133 And for the better as now Horus is actually the threat he was hyped up to be. Though there's a hint that he was posessed by the 4 when Horus decided to stop playing around
my theory with Sanguinius solves the oddity of how Dante has never fallen to the Red Thirst. And we can thank Girlyman for this, but a piece of Sanguinius soul was used to make the Sanguinor I suspect Dante is a partial reincarnation of Sanguinius, either the piece not used to make the Sanguinor, or the piece used in the Sanguinor. And to raise Sanguinius again Dante and the missing piece of Sanguinius must be reunited with the body. Which means Dante will probably have to die to get him back.
I could also see Dorn getting the cloak of the Emperor as a call back to the cloak/blanket of his adopted father that he always kept with him. that seems perfectly fitting if a little soppy
I hope so, that is funny Edit: it might be the helmet really, imagine Ferrus's body revived, his soul re-attached and his head is a slightly above neck floating (undecapitable) helmet. His brain (secretly) replaced by machinery and althought Ferrus would be back, it would be artificial version of his (granted with his OG soul) that would lack emotions and humanity, finishing the circle of tragedy of iron hands, as he would not fix their mentality but even more solidify it.
It's like poetry, it rhymes. Having Horus' descent start with a fake Seganus and having it end with a fake Loken was glorious. I do hope Sanguinius and Ferrus never come back and rather continue to exist and impact the setting as ghosts and legends. The final moment of Ferrus guiding Sanguinius to the fight was incredible.
The Emperor's weapon is surprise, surprise and fear, fear and surprise. Emp's *two* weapons are fear and surprise, and ruthless efficiency. Emp's *three* weapons are fear and surprise and ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical dedication to Chaos.
Corvus needs something to help him when he overcommits and can’t escape. When the Raven’s wings are useless. The Emperor’s personal teleportation homer-something like that.
Emperor's Ship is most likely now part of a Space Hulk being built by Vashtor from the various huge battles of the Imperium, think derelicts from Cadia, Armageddon, Tallarn, Beta Garmon, Vraks, Hydra Cordatus, Istvaan along with shards of the destroyed Black Fortresses and Caliban
When Robute and The Lion have some extended time, and not getting into huge fights every 3 minutes, Lion definitely needs to give Robute some combat lessons. Cause holy shit does Robute get his ass handed to him way too often.
The smirk you do when you tell Guilliman says he's going to kill Nurgle, it shows how much you can"t wait for that to be told ; and what incredible story this will be. Your passion for this lore is really REALLY communicative mate, thanks so much for that !
30:31 Another potential idea could be that a new ship would be secretly developed by the Custodes to protect Terra following the events of the War of the Beast. The ship would be built in a massive berth within the Imperial Palace that would, over the millennia, be built over with various layers of habitation like the rest of Terra, until the time comes where it is most needed and a worthy leader arrives to claim it (not sure which Primarchs this would be) but the ship would be revealed by breaking out of the layers of Terran cityscape like the Lusankya in Star Wars and rise to meet some giant threat coming for Terra.
The 11th Primarch is locked in his room under the Palace with his dad's collection of dirty girly magazines. He's not "Lost". He simply won't come out of his room. That's why his brothers don't talk about him at all - it's embarrassing. 😂
The Spear of Russ is literally forged from the Emperor's own soul and it's power is tremendous, we see in the fight with the ascended Horus that it burns away the taint of chaos in an area and is wreathed in "Wyrd Lightning" that obliterates all that it touches. it's funny that it's sister spear wielded by Valdor never displays anywhere near the same power with the only weapon seeming to match it being the Emperor's own sword.
Wrt Leman Russ. If Leman Russ is coming back as Odin, then we need to remember that Odin's signature weapon is Gugnir, his spear. Leman already has a spear, the Apollonian spear. That might really be his gift from the emperor. Wrt to Dorn, the power claw makes the most sense. Wrt to the Khan, the cloak might enhance his combat abilities. By literally becoming an invisible speedster. And it somehow fits. I dunno why. Corax might get the bolter. A long distance sniper with the emperor's bolter perhaps? Wrt to Vulcan, the Halo might make the most sense. Enhance the defense of the primarch who dies a lot.
I personally imagine that a spear will be introduced, maybe a new one, as the role of a strike team to go in to the enemy lines and a shoulder pad to protect the outer reaches of the empire
The spear would fit with the Norse/viking ecstatics of Russ: Odin is depicted with a spear. So Russ returning maybe looking older like halfather Odin would look appropriate
What if Leman Russ comes back blind. He's given the Emperor's Aquila that transforms into two ravens, like Odin's ravens Huginn and Muninn? The executioner and incredible fighter laid low and humbled by his blindness, but is guided by the Emperor's psychic sight.
Vulcan coming back could be a big cash cow for gw if he remembers how to access the stcs locked away on the chalice of fire. Suddenly new marines would be able to access some old tanks and tech.
The lion received the shield with one part of the eagle. It would make sense if Lehman Russ returned with a blinded eagle on his Wargeae to reinforce the Odin metaphor
Odin was more than one eyed. And i know people tend to make the Pack into Vikings, but Lemann and Odin are vastly different. Odin is the allfather and considered the wisest being in the nordic legends, a reserved and just god. he even nailed himself to yggdrasil for a few days to gain runic and magic knowledge. Yes Odin was fierce on the battlefield too, but the similarities pretty much end there. Lemann is Odin on Crack. edit: Thor. I knew i was missing an obvious one.
@@leonhardable I was talking about the part of the video where he mentions that Lehman may come back as more of an Odin type figure whereas he was more a Thor type of figure in the heresy
The Spear of Russ is sorta a reference to Leman Russ beginning to change from Thor to Odin in the Lore. We know Russ doesn't like using it originally, but now it has connections to the King in Yellow, so I'd not be surprised to find out that the Spear of Russ actually is a Force Weapon that Russ could naturally tap into by his connection with the Warp
I like the idea that the weapons compensate for primarch short comings but worry that will make the characters more OP. Corvus - could get cloak but rather than increases stealth it could move like tendrils to bind and capture enemies…….might stop Lorgar slipping away. Dorn could get a ring that he’s directed to wear on his missing hand. Confused he goes to do this and finds the ring forms a new hand. This hand glows brightly to reveal deception and traps. The reasoning is that blinded by grief he’d fallen into Perturabos trap at the Iron Cage. The light from the hand would act like the emperor guiding Dorn out of his grief and illuminating what his grief had made him blind to. Russ - I feel his gift is the spear he already has but he/it becomes awakened when its true purpose and power is revealed to him. Odin stabs himself with his spear and hangs himself from the world tree to gain knowledge. Not sure if this has been replicated in 40k? Jagadai - he’s fast but acts on intel. During the heresy he waited for more info before helping the wolves. Perhaps the emperor’s eagle could manifest psychically to help scout ahead/gather intel? The use of scouting eagles would fit with the Mongolian theme too.
Each Primarch receives a gift to overcome their deficits. Lion is probably the best singular offensive combatant among the Loyalists and thus he was given a shield to remind him to understand defenses better, Roboute is a weak duelist and was gifted a Sword to give his sword arm the strength commensurate with his tactical acumen. Khan should get the Cloak to remind him that there is value in Secrecy, Dorn definitely needs the Claw, Vulkan would get a Pauldron that serves as an Anchor that gives him far more control over his immortality...still working on the rest....lol
I originally thought that Emperors Talon would go to Khan, but yea i agree with Corax getting the talon. Because Corax isnt known to be the best duelist, so talon could fill that gap, while khan gets the stealth approach
One cool thing would be the return of the emperors ship, but crewed by the legion of the damned and is unkillable like them or perhaps the emperors wreath could be used to redeem one of the primarchs who aren't too far gone, magnus maybe who could take up the burdon of the golden throne allowing him to heal
Emperors bolter. My goal is to make a tabletop fair one. Hits on 2 A6,S4,Ap-1 maybe -2, D2 Lethal hits, Sustained hits 1, Anti everything +3 Als9 with Khans speed it'd makes sense for him once per game for one round he gets an extra round of movement, shooting and CCQ
Vulcan gets the Emperors Anvil, Forge Hammer something of this ilk. So he can forge say a new throne or armor in order to no longer need to feed the emperor "souls" and make him somewhat mobile. Halo goes to Alpha Legion. Ending that discussion. Khan gets the Jet Bike. Along with a whole chapter of fast attack primeurs marines.
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The custodes have full access to the emperors armoury too a lot of stuff there we never seen him use
It's kinda.funny that they basically gave The lion, Melinda's Full Counter, in form of a shield
Who do you think will be the next loyalist primach to receive a permanent death?
We should have gone over the Emperors equipment in the opening.
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I can imagine Jaghatai receiving the Emperor's Harley Davidson actually
He would want something fast. Harleys are the exact opposite of fast.
@@MrJameslupien he gets the Kaneda Bike
Nah a tuned vespa 😎
Yay. Bike.
Using actually is cringe bro 😅
Each primarch is going to get something of the emperors gear. and in the finale theyre all going to combine into a primarch megazord.
Or by their powers combined, Captain Terra.
Nah I'm just a devout believer of Big E so classic response is when all piece are together they will summon Exodia the Forbidden one 😂
GO GO PRIMARCH RANGERS!
Maybe their sacrifice is necessary for the return of the Emperor.
Kek
Cloak to Russ, a reminder that he doesnt always need to be the biggest and loudest in the room.
He kind of does, I think, because of his roll.
@mikeseymour1792 na, there's others who can do the talking in a way that people don't feel threatened or intimidated. Sometimes the best thing a guard dog can do is lay quietly in the corner and watch.
I think Lion has the shield because he's the duelist, it forces him to see and do things differently. Same with Roboute, an administrator given a warriors weapon.
That's why I think Russ will get the cloak.
@@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736I mean, depending on how close they want to track historical Scandinavian lore, a cloak would be VERY appropriate for Russ.
@@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 stealth viking? The same russ that lowers shields on his ship on purpose.
@warpflames7811 entirely the point. These gifts do not play off their strengths, it fills their gaps
The pen is mightier than the sword, and far easier to write with. - RG, probably.
"And to my unknowable but undeniably loyal son Jaghatai I bequeath the dark age of technology lightspeed megabike Incineratus, may he continue to run laps around the enemies of humanity as the only thing that cuts deeper than his perfect strikes are his merciless insults!"
Jaghatai: Yay, bike!
Vulcan should get the underware, that way when he regenerates he won't be flopping about scaring everyone with his...big...war hammer...
I bet when my boy Vulkan will come back he will get the shard that the emperor casted away so he can give more hugs.
the emperor's hand me down sweater
Plus a flamer with psyker fire... to prevent people from escaping hug range.
I think it's interesting that the relics Guilliman and The Lion wield shore up the gaps in their war kit and are emblematic of their purpose in the new Dark Imperium. Guilliman launched a new crusade, an offensive blade strike against the enemies of humanity. The Lion and his protectorate seeks to shield humanity from the darkness of the 41st millennium.
Makes me wonder what awaits future returned Primarchs. Hope it continues to subvert expectations.
I've also thought for a while that the flames of the Emperor's sword aren't solely being fueled by his power. The Dark Imperium trilogy brings up the fate defying power of Guilliman's will more than a few times. I think that fire within is Gulliman's influence on the warp manifesting and also fueling the sword along with his father.
it's a solid explanation for why they got the weapons they did. Although in reality I think this happened because GW hadn't planned the story far enough ahead.
And Sanguinius will get The emperors armor.
I think it shouldn't even be an artifact or weapon for each of them exactly. He just left a path for them, the mission, as part of His plan. For some He may leave instruction, for other knowledge, for another - a place? Ability to move (though Lion have it)? Brothers? Solutions? Wisdom? Opportunity? It could be anything, part of bigger game.
I agree with the reverted expectation trope. It would appear that the primarchs are going to be all over the galaxy as they make their returns. And it should be noted that many of them have been through some "opportunities for personal growth"
So any of the emperors wargear that they get is to shore up a deficiency rather than enhance whatever their "best" feature may be.
While little is directly said about their construction, the primarchs in a nutshell are the best possible meat suits for a bunch of warp spawned "Platonic Ideals" that managed a certain amount of conciousness because belief gets you power in the warp. Just look at the (relative) tiny amount of humans (and others) that exist within the tau empire. And from that we get a warp manifestation of "The Greater Good".
So how hard is it for the Emperor (as 8000 psykers in a human looking Tenchcoat) to go to Moloc and bargain with those warp entities/minor gods/ancient animal spirits/jungian archetypes that for whatever reasons dont much care for the 4 major chaos powers. and somehow got 21 of them to sign up for the finest possible *human* suit in exchange for fealty to not just an emperor but The Emperor. Master of *Human* kind. (that last bit was a bit sticky for some)
Sure Guilliman is wrapped up in roman splendor (because WG writers are brits) but he could just as much be an embodiment of the Han Celestial Bureaucracy.
Take everything you (and everyone else) thinks they know about ravens and bundle it up in one primarch named Raven Raven.
Spooky stories about predators that gain eternal life by consuming the life blood of others are as old as fire so of course you get vampire counts in space or Sanguineous.
The once and future king of yore and all the regality that inspires is the Lion of course.
I agree; I think it's actually far more interesting when the gifts aren't the 'obvious choice'. IE, Vulcan getting a flamer or Corvax getting some stealth cloak would all be pretty disappointing and bland. Oh look Corax is now more Corvus. Kinda shallow. If they got something that adds breadth to the primarchs, that would be far more interesting.
Feel like the cloak going to Leman would fit him moving into a more Odin like character as well as finally accepting the spear
I posted it just a few minutes ago but in a new space wolf book during a battle ragnar blackmane throws russ's spear into the warp and into magnus's eye closing a hole into the warp. So its in thousand son warp territory rn, if russ gets it back theres plenty of story potential on retrieving it right now but right now its unlikely hes going to get it back soon(if he returns soon)
Vulkan could get Emperor's (Dark age tech) forge. Imagine what he could cook up in there.
Aeldari?
@@zorba-d-geek child Aeldari...
@@zorba-d-geek Over promethium 😂
My guess for vulkan would be the gauntlets because whats scarier then vulkan with a hammer and warpfires
Trazyn adds each piece to shopping cart. 😂
I wouldn't even be surprised if he already had some of the old gear. Maybe the emperors bolter
hopefully just wishlist 🤣🤣
Would trazyn actually be bold enough to try and capture the emperor ?
@@AAC1714 Always.
@@AAC1714if he thinks he can pull it off, he’s doing it 😂 he definitely wants to check out the golden throne
If each terminator gets a small piece of the Emperor's armour, I think the most pertinent question is: which legion got the Emperor's codpiece?
We all know that Tyberos wears that
Managed to live long enough to see The Lion return now i just gotta hold out till the meeting with G man
Dorn is getting the gauntlet, it'll magnify his warp suppression power
Since his Magic Pain Glove was destroyed, i'd say it's a suitable replacement!
Im just wondering who will be gifted Big E's Master Crafted Boltgun
@@brooklynkeith2877my guess would be whichever of the alpha legion brothers is actually loyal
"Im going to use my Warp powers-"
"NO"
And no Warp powers were used.
@@brooklynkeith2877Volkite Gun, surely he didn't use a bolter
Dont forget dorn collected a pair of hands from alpharius prior to introducing storms teeth to his skull. Dorn may well have both of his hands. They have retconned the status of dorns body several times. Once from being a whole body preserved in amber and then to just a hand with chapter masters names engraved upon it. I can see a further retcon where the hand was alpharius all along.
I think the cloak should go to whichever twin primarch is a loyalist be it alpharius or omegon. That seems like it would be a good fit given the cloak and dagger style of the alpha legion
They're already good at that, the Emperor's gifts seem to subvert each Primarch's style, to force them to change it up. So Alpharius or Omegon get the Emperor's blingiest item, or maybe the loudest- the Emperor's B.C. Rich guitar collection, along with Big E's Big Amps. The Noise Marines shake with jealousy.
@@Xhumed His helemet or laurel or oh maybe his banner
Vulcan gets the big E’s lab coat. Russ gets the claw to shoot lightning like the Emperor. ( Odin/Thor)
Dorn gets the Emperors Aegis to restore his body and mind after blaming himself for failing his father and humanity, also for losing to Perty.
Kahn the Emperors super bike
Corax maybe his wreath to focus that warp raven power, he can only use that form in the warp or am I mistaken?
Are you on the theory train that the forces of order and faith will get a pantheon?
Ragnar Blackmane briefly wielded the Spear. He cast it into Magnus’ Eye and it was lost when the Daemon Primarch fell back through the portal.
I would be surprised if we don’t see an Axe show up eventually.
Ferrus is the primarch the imperium needs most right now. Think how much he could boost guilliman or the lion. He’s the support of the imperium
Mortarion doesnt know shit.
He believes that his free.
I think he is the best person to know shit literally 😂
@@eiric6958 lol, true,true.
@@eiric6958 Causes he full of shit who lives in Bigger Shit.
He was a whiny turd as a Primarch and still a whiny turd as a demon primarch.
Morty when the emperors sword cuts his arm off and it doesn’t regrow: 🗿
Jaghatai Khan gets the Emperor's Air Jordans and they have a flubber sole so he doesn't *need* a jet bike.
The Emperor's Heelies.
I feel that Vulcan should get the emperor's hair. Would make him OP
if only horus got it...
@@McChickenJOI Male pattern baldness does things to people, unless you were bald to begin with.
I think the one who would have gotten the Emperor's hair would have been Lorgar. If only he did not land in Colchis
The speculation quickly recalibrated to the wargear strengthening their strengths. It seems like the first 2 shored up weaknesses.
Angron's gonna get the Emperor's smelly socks, because he has been a particularly naughty boy.
perty gets the Red shiny Nose ball, because he is the emperor's Funniest Clown.
@@undercovertakodachi4301 only if Fulgrim gets the golden buttplug.
@@undercovertakodachi4301 only if Fulgrim gets the golden buttplug.
Angron gets the Emperor's Rubix Cube, to teach him patience.
Obviously, Corax gets the talon because he's like a literal bird now and Dorn gets the gauntlet because of course the Imperial Fist gets a literal imperial fist.
Perturabo could fix the golden throne, he could look at something and know how to make it better instantly.
Every Primarch is a scaled down (!) aspect of big E.
And even Big E himself didnt understand the core of the throne
@@leonhardablethe golden throne isn't one object or technological device. its a hodgepodge collection of macanial and physical components. i think he czn fix the individual components
@@noobatgames3321the thing about Perty although he understands It he cannot create the complexity of the parts of It and that is Where Vulcan Excell the Intriquet little details that makes things perfect.
LOVE the idea of the Primarchs inheriting a piece of the emperors kit
All the Primarchs and even Emperor had so many weapons and relics they used. His claw is going to Corax 100%. His spear will be given to Russ, to make him Odin of Warhammer, he just needs to loose an eye.
I feel like Leman Russ is going to come back at the same time as corax and they've probably met up in the warp giving the whole Odin and his seeing Raven theme
I'd like to see Rogal Dorn use one of the gauntlets to replace his missing hand Evil Dead style.
He already gave russ a spear and russ Hated it .
@@commissaryarrick9670because russ needs a hammer to like it.
much more similar to thor than odin.
@@commissaryarrick9670 it's because of a prophesy of him dying with him wielding said spear right?
I personally like the idea of dorn coming back closer to the templars. He's often seen as very literal and blunt. Factual and pragmatic. So, in light of the likely ascension of the emperor, it would be interesting to see him act on faith as well. Maybe something of an emperors champion of the primarchs? I feel that would be good closure after he was kind of forcefully ousted of leadership by Robute it could just be interesting. The scrimshawed hand acting as a bionic could be cool as a reminder of his sons stalwart faith in him after the cage incident too.
Leman Will definitely inheriy The Emperor's Spear, The spear that almost defeated Horus.
Russ already has the Dionysian Spear.
@@jeremyhess7977 Awesome! It would be poetic if he used it against Horus' legion in the future :)
@@jeremyhess7977if its to be believed that spear was thrown by ragnar blackmane into the warp and into magnus during an invasion of a planet in the book grey hunter part of ragnar blackmanes book series
Russ needs a new cod piece. The wolf one kinda chaffs.
Guilliman & The Emperor's Sword on when he got it & its Daemon killing is a bit unclear since he stabs Magnus I believe with it on Luna so either it is something like a Psychic power vs Psychic power thing or that wasn't his sword. I am still a fan of him getting it from the Emperor after visiting him.
I am guessing it is a tiny bit of the armour is put into the Crux, and the additions are what will be given.
Khan with the Bolter, because him on a Bike using the Bolter would be really cool, as well I believe the last place it was scene or at least mentioned was the novel " The Master of Mankind" where the Emperor fought in the Webway so it could be just established the Bolter was left there and the Khan who is in the Webway finds it.
Dorn getting the Claw, ya missing hand to be replaced, but as well the Claw is probably the 2nd most recognized thing the Emperor used under his Sword so the Imperial Fists Primarch getting it feels right while the Ultramarines's Primarch getting the Sword.
Russ and the Spear, ya just we all know the things for it mentioned, most likely while he was gone he understood his Primarch gifts more so the Spear feels more natural to him.
Corvus having the Cape & Pauldrons, really just bits to help him keep his Warp form to be able to stay in real space he will use his new powers for his weapons and abilities.
Vulkan finally with the Halo, where it will play a role in keeping his sanity.
I believe there will be 1 more Primarch to come back before any reunion, if you look through the Horus Heresy most significant Loyalist Primarch groupings were in groups of 3, I believe that will play a role in it, and the planet they will meet on is Armageddon (Ullanor).
Listening while painting. Excellent storytelling as always.
I want Perturabo to come back with a ship bigger than the phalanx called the manipulis or something.
He would 100,000% do that and then become frustrated when he finds out Dorn's not around anymore so he can't rub it in his face.
Comes back and gets the Emperor's pauldron to carry that massive chip on his shoulder.
I foresee that the emperor's gifts being some sort of balance and lesson for them. The Lion needs to learn that sometimes defending is the best thing he can do and Guilleman needs to learn to strike when the iron is hot so to speak.😊
If they bought back konrad curze I can see him getting the cloak. I just finished his primache book and it mentions him always just wearing a cloak of feathers, plus like you mentioned, he hates his brother because of his natural steath. And that cloak would make him true batman of 40k. It never mentions his death either... I don't think just that he is waiting for it. I am still pretty new, so I could be wrong.
I like the idea of the Kahn getting the emperor’s halo that acts as a warp beacon and he becomes the emperor’s comet flying across imperium nihilus stitching that part of the galaxy back together, and Dorn getting the claw could represent him having to make his sons more proactive and having to struggle with the fact that he’s started asking himself what would perturabo do against this threat
What would Corax and loyal Alpharious/Omegon get then?
Im pretty sure it's hinted that Russ has psychic gifts already, his howl makes Thousand sons literally explode and he seems to have a very high immunity to psychic attacks hence why he bodies an enraged Magnus on Prospero. It would make sense too as if Russ was made to kill other primarchs he'd need to be able to combat their special gifts too
Leman Russ is Morkai or Morkai is Russ, I'm certain
@@aligaterr5137 I've never thought of that but you might be onto something there. Psychic powers in warhammer are based on belief, orks believe red ones go faster so they do, Rune Preists and Stormseers believe they're not channelling the warp but the planets spirit or the storm and that seems to make it true. Maybe Russ' or the fenrisians latent powers have manifested as the wolf spirits they believe in.
@@tra779 as far as I understand it, rune-priests channel warp stuff though Morkai as a middleman of sorts, instead of from warp directly, that is why they don't label themselves as librarians.
Yeah there's a bit in one of the Chris Wraight books I can't remember which one I think it's the first of the trilogy he did, where a navigator talks about how the Space Wolves belief that their talismans protect them actually mean they work and they insinuate that the beliefs of the rune priests might work in a similar way. It's been a while since I read it though
It's an pretty awesome little scene when Lion takes up the shield for the first time. When he feels how incredibly powerful and aware of everything the Emperor was even as a human back in the days.
The thing that bothers me is that they haven't explained or mentioned his new power armor.
It doesn't feel like it's the armor he's wearing when he wakes up, based on the little description we get there.🤔
I think it’d be cool if Corvus got the Emperor’s gauntlets and they became lightning claws!
All fun and games until we deck the lion out in EVERYTHING.
I really like in emperor's text to speach where Dorn has spent 10k years in centurian armor standing penance at the throne.
I want a canon nurgle demolition specific unit, but they all just regular guardsmen who are doctors with Guilliman commanding it 😂
Jos going to need some blanks.
Emperor's talon confirms Corax is coming back.
not him already appearing in that novel then?
Vulkan gets... a flamer.
With holy psyker fire, something he can't forge. That can permanently kill demons and melt even necrons, but doesn't harm loyalists.
That like perfect.
Doe ... I kinda wonder if Vulcan found the Dark Age of Tech setup Big E had. Or like a Codex he set aside for someone to use later on.
What sacrifice did Sanguinius make. According to the new lore, all he did was die.
He didn't create a nic in the armor to aid in horus' defeat and the emperor had already removed his emotions before seeing him.
His death is the sacrifice... he knew he was going to die from the very beginning, but still went willingly because the alternative was forsaking his father and turning to chaos. He sets an example for the surviving loyal sons and the rest of the imperium.
The old lore was always meant to be potentially unreliable and romanticized mythology, hence the frequently contradictory tales. This is why the new novels kill a lot of the aura for outright saying what actually happened.
@@hpph7133 And for the better as now Horus is actually the threat he was hyped up to be. Though there's a hint that he was posessed by the 4 when Horus decided to stop playing around
my theory with Sanguinius solves the oddity of how Dante has never fallen to the Red Thirst. And we can thank Girlyman for this, but a piece of Sanguinius soul was used to make the Sanguinor I suspect Dante is a partial reincarnation of Sanguinius, either the piece not used to make the Sanguinor, or the piece used in the Sanguinor. And to raise Sanguinius again Dante and the missing piece of Sanguinius must be reunited with the body. Which means Dante will probably have to die to get him back.
I could also see Dorn getting the cloak of the Emperor as a call back to the cloak/blanket of his adopted father that he always kept with him. that seems perfectly fitting if a little soppy
Ferrus comes back and gets the emp's helmet
I hope so, that is funny
Edit: it might be the helmet really, imagine Ferrus's body revived, his soul re-attached and his head is a slightly above neck floating (undecapitable) helmet. His brain (secretly) replaced by machinery and althought Ferrus would be back, it would be artificial version of his (granted with his OG soul) that would lack emotions and humanity, finishing the circle of tragedy of iron hands, as he would not fix their mentality but even more solidify it.
give him an Iron Neck.
@@undercovertakodachi4301 Maybe no body augmentation is for the best
It's like poetry, it rhymes. Having Horus' descent start with a fake Seganus and having it end with a fake Loken was glorious.
I do hope Sanguinius and Ferrus never come back and rather continue to exist and impact the setting as ghosts and legends. The final moment of Ferrus guiding Sanguinius to the fight was incredible.
If Corvas has 2 power claws, how is he gonna pick his nose or scratch his ars? As Baldermort would say (that could be ouchie)
I like them each having a piece from the emperor. It makes sense that it's the only reason the lion was able to body angron.
The Emperor's weapon is surprise, surprise and fear, fear and surprise. Emp's *two* weapons are fear and surprise, and ruthless efficiency. Emp's *three* weapons are fear and surprise and ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical dedication to Chaos.
Corvus needs something to help him when he overcommits and can’t escape. When the Raven’s wings are useless.
The Emperor’s personal teleportation homer-something like that.
Jhagatai will get the shoes I reckon giving him extra speed he’s a speed focused primarch
Emperor's Ship is most likely now part of a Space Hulk being built by Vashtor from the various huge battles of the Imperium, think derelicts from Cadia, Armageddon, Tallarn, Beta Garmon, Vraks, Hydra Cordatus, Istvaan along with shards of the destroyed Black Fortresses and Caliban
The claw for Corvis is perfect, and it can be one of his feet when he's in big daemonic bird form.
imagine if It can just stunlock demons that would be awesome.
he will have something to Catch Lorgar.
I reckon dorn gets it to replace his hand
When I read "Corvis" all I could hear was Vulcan in "If The Emperor Had TTS"
Khan is about to bring the pain to the forces of chaos while wearing the emperor's heelies.
When Robute and The Lion have some extended time, and not getting into huge fights every 3 minutes, Lion definitely needs to give Robute some combat lessons. Cause holy shit does Robute get his ass handed to him way too often.
Lokens LAPPING POWDER!!!! This was incredible!!!!!!! Targaddons trip to Whitby Joke Shop!!!!!!! 😅😅😅
Give vulcan the cloak imagine the biggest primark sneaking up on u
The smirk you do when you tell Guilliman says he's going to kill Nurgle, it shows how much you can"t wait for that to be told ; and what incredible story this will be.
Your passion for this lore is really REALLY communicative mate, thanks so much for that !
Thanks so much! I hope it comes across
30:31 Another potential idea could be that a new ship would be secretly developed by the Custodes to protect Terra following the events of the War of the Beast. The ship would be built in a massive berth within the Imperial Palace that would, over the millennia, be built over with various layers of habitation like the rest of Terra, until the time comes where it is most needed and a worthy leader arrives to claim it (not sure which Primarchs this would be) but the ship would be revealed by breaking out of the layers of Terran cityscape like the Lusankya in Star Wars and rise to meet some giant threat coming for Terra.
The 11th Primarch is locked in his room under the Palace with his dad's collection of dirty girly magazines.
He's not "Lost". He simply won't come out of his room. That's why his brothers don't talk about him at all - it's embarrassing. 😂
The Spear of Russ is literally forged from the Emperor's own soul and it's power is tremendous, we see in the fight with the ascended Horus that it burns away the taint of chaos in an area and is wreathed in "Wyrd Lightning" that obliterates all that it touches. it's funny that it's sister spear wielded by Valdor never displays anywhere near the same power with the only weapon seeming to match it being the Emperor's own sword.
The emperor's halo as a frisbee for Sanguinius 😂
Im calling it, Alpharius comes back and gets the cloak, the universe will refuse to even admit he exists.
I imagine Vulcan gets the codpiece. To be tortured by Conrad and still give a sh*t about anything takes large cajones.
Wrt Leman Russ.
If Leman Russ is coming back as Odin, then we need to remember that Odin's signature weapon is Gugnir, his spear.
Leman already has a spear, the Apollonian spear.
That might really be his gift from the emperor.
Wrt to Dorn, the power claw makes the most sense.
Wrt to the Khan, the cloak might enhance his combat abilities. By literally becoming an invisible speedster. And it somehow fits. I dunno why.
Corax might get the bolter.
A long distance sniper with the emperor's bolter perhaps?
Wrt to Vulcan, the Halo might make the most sense. Enhance the defense of the primarch who dies a lot.
I'm pretty sure Russ even calls the spear gungnir in Wolfsbane
It's true name that was revealed to Russ in the warp was Gungnir
Maybe Dorn is off with Valdor building the city of Dust. City sounds pretty crazy.
Vulkan gets the Emperor’s broken stuff as material which he can then reforge into whatever he wants.
Lion El'Johnson: Emperor's Shield
Jaghatai: Emperor's Assault Bike
Leman Russ: Emperor's War Axe
Rogal Dorn: Emperor's Power Claw
Sanguinius: Emperor's Spear
Ferrus Manus: Emperor's Iron Halo
Roboute Guilliman: Emperor's Sword
Vulkan: Emperor's Shoulderpads
Corvus Corax: Emperor's Cloak
Jagatai Khan will get the Emperor's motorbike. Emperor's Harley Davidson!
I personally imagine that a spear will be introduced, maybe a new one, as the role of a strike team to go in to the enemy lines and a shoulder pad to protect the outer reaches of the empire
Emperor's halo becomes a frisbee for Russ to chase.
The spear would fit with the Norse/viking ecstatics of Russ: Odin is depicted with a spear.
So Russ returning maybe looking older like halfather Odin would look appropriate
Russ should get Big E's golden Flea Powder dispenser.
What if Leman Russ comes back blind. He's given the Emperor's Aquila that transforms into two ravens, like Odin's ravens Huginn and Muninn? The executioner and incredible fighter laid low and humbled by his blindness, but is guided by the Emperor's psychic sight.
I'm just here to listen to Sandman's ASMR voice.
Vulcan coming back could be a big cash cow for gw if he remembers how to access the stcs locked away on the chalice of fire. Suddenly new marines would be able to access some old tanks and tech.
The lion received the shield with one part of the eagle. It would make sense if Lehman Russ returned with a blinded eagle on his Wargeae to reinforce the Odin metaphor
Odin was more than one eyed.
And i know people tend to make the Pack into Vikings, but Lemann and Odin are vastly different.
Odin is the allfather and considered the wisest being in the nordic legends, a reserved and just god.
he even nailed himself to yggdrasil for a few days to gain runic and magic knowledge.
Yes Odin was fierce on the battlefield too, but the similarities pretty much end there. Lemann is Odin on Crack.
edit: Thor. I knew i was missing an obvious one.
@@leonhardable I was talking about the part of the video where he mentions that Lehman may come back as more of an Odin type figure whereas he was more a Thor type of figure in the heresy
The Spear of Russ is sorta a reference to Leman Russ beginning to change from Thor to Odin in the Lore. We know Russ doesn't like using it originally, but now it has connections to the King in Yellow, so I'd not be surprised to find out that the Spear of Russ actually is a Force Weapon that Russ could naturally tap into by his connection with the Warp
Russ gets the Emperor’s collar
Or he gets the cloak, and becomes the eagle others are blind to
Calling the emperor a battery is hilarious
I like the idea that the weapons compensate for primarch short comings but worry that will make the characters more OP.
Corvus - could get cloak but rather than increases stealth it could move like tendrils to bind and capture enemies…….might stop Lorgar slipping away.
Dorn could get a ring that he’s directed to wear on his missing hand. Confused he goes to do this and finds the ring forms a new hand. This hand glows brightly to reveal deception and traps. The reasoning is that blinded by grief he’d fallen into Perturabos trap at the Iron Cage. The light from the hand would act like the emperor guiding Dorn out of his grief and illuminating what his grief had made him blind to.
Russ - I feel his gift is the spear he already has but he/it becomes awakened when its true purpose and power is revealed to him. Odin stabs himself with his spear and hangs himself from the world tree to gain knowledge. Not sure if this has been replicated in 40k?
Jagadai - he’s fast but acts on intel. During the heresy he waited for more info before helping the wolves. Perhaps the emperor’s eagle could manifest psychically to help scout ahead/gather intel? The use of scouting eagles would fit with the Mongolian theme too.
I can easily see GW writers going "Yes, those shards came from a set of the Emperor's armor, but not THE Set of his armor"
Russ gets the cloak because the dude's a hunter
I am actually scared that Dorn is going to comeback so insane he has become a traitor 💀
Vulkan will hug everyone to death. That's his power --- besides booping snoots
Each Primarch receives a gift to overcome their deficits. Lion is probably the best singular offensive combatant among the Loyalists and thus he was given a shield to remind him to understand defenses better, Roboute is a weak duelist and was gifted a Sword to give his sword arm the strength commensurate with his tactical acumen. Khan should get the Cloak to remind him that there is value in Secrecy, Dorn definitely needs the Claw, Vulkan would get a Pauldron that serves as an Anchor that gives him far more control over his immortality...still working on the rest....lol
I originally thought that Emperors Talon would go to Khan, but yea i agree with Corax getting the talon. Because Corax isnt known to be the best duelist, so talon could fill that gap, while khan gets the stealth approach
Reality strikes back, is such a bar
I know most of the warhammer community would go crazy but im in the crossover audience that would fucking love a 40k anime
One cool thing would be the return of the emperors ship, but crewed by the legion of the damned and is unkillable like them or perhaps the emperors wreath could be used to redeem one of the primarchs who aren't too far gone, magnus maybe who could take up the burdon of the golden throne allowing him to heal
For my mind, the cloak of the emperor is in possession of cipher be it he is alpharius or his own character, it would explain his sussiness skills.
Emperors bolter. My goal is to make a tabletop fair one.
Hits on 2
A6,S4,Ap-1 maybe -2, D2
Lethal hits, Sustained hits 1, Anti everything +3
Als9 with Khans speed it'd makes sense for him once per game for one round he gets an extra round of movement, shooting and CCQ
Vulcan gets the Emperors Anvil, Forge Hammer something of this ilk. So he can forge say a new throne or armor in order to no longer need to feed the emperor "souls" and make him somewhat mobile. Halo goes to Alpha Legion. Ending that discussion. Khan gets the Jet Bike. Along with a whole chapter of fast attack primeurs marines.
Who gets the Emperor's Black and Decker power drill? Every dad has one of those.
Dorn
I read “The EMPERORS NEW GROOVE!”
Sunday SandMan !!!
If only the Emperor had made a will. For someone with foresight he should have got his affairs in order.
I wouldn't worry about it
I'm sure the designers didn't put this much thought into it as you have.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar