Original FULL STOCK Hawken Rifle | William Hawken, the less famous Hawken Brother
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
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Today we're checking out an original full stock Hawken rifle. While we know Jacob and Samuel made a few full stock "Hawkens" during their time in St. Louis, this rifle by their younger brother William is connected more with its Eastern roots.
William Hawken (1798-1885) was the fifth son of Christian Hawken. Unlike his famous brothers Jacob and Samuel, he did not move west and operated a shop in Hagerstown, Maryland, until 1840 when it was taken over by his son John and then worked as a gunsmith in Williamsport, Maryland.
His rifles remained the more traditional American long rifle style of the East rather than the half-stock rifles that his brother famously made in St. Louis. This rifle is pictured on page 52 of "Arms Makers of Maryland" by Daniel D. Hartzler and noted as from the author's collection. It is fairly similar to the William Hawken rifle in the NRA museum.
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The carving in particularly is the same basic pattern, and it has attributes of the rifles by him in "Maryland Longrifles" by Hartzler and Whisker. The barrel has seven-groove rifling, a dot pattern on the muzzle, traditional brass blade front and iron notch rear sights, and "W. HAWKEN." stamped on top of the breech section. The lock is marked "J. GOLCHER" in a ribbon and has scroll, border, and dog and bird engraving.
The rifle has adjustable double set triggers. The furniture is brass aside from the nickel-silver rear wedge plate and the eagle and shield inlay on the cheekrest. The four-piece patchbox has some lined engraving and and is opens by a bottom on the toe plate which also has some simple engraving. The stock has a plain forend, an interesting sheet brass wrist repair secured by a series of screws, incised line along the bottom of the butt, and some incised scroll carving on the left behind the cheekpiece.
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Another nice rifle, when I was a young man, late 70's it was really hard to get information on the old rifles like you are showing us, of course, now I have found some books, mostly in black and white. Your videos sure bring them to life. Being from the west, everything was hawken, I love seeing all the other styles and how they changed threw history.
Thanks Bud! I'm glad you are enjoying them. I love those black and white books, they are a great source of information.
There Father was a awesome longrifle builder as well!
I think them ol Boys considered them an absolute necessity rather than a sporting rifle. Loved the video. Subscribed.
Dude, I love your grin while handling this piece. It's a real beauty!
I can't help but smile!!
I’ve always loved that style of rifle.
A great look at such a nice piece of long rifle history and of the Hawken family history enjoyed the video very much
Thanks for watching Don!
Looking at the "Brass" pipes and the like, I Noted from my view they "Could be" Plated? as it appeared some of the finish looked to be plating worn or coming off.
Keep your Smoke Poles Smoking!
That's a really nice rifle. Thanks, Ethan, for sharing it.
An EASTERN Hawken,Dang!
i am working on a double flint shotgun. manton style locks and influence. any info on these types of flinters would be nice. also, the hawken family flintlock guns are of interest to me.
Thanks Allen! I’ll look into finding one for you
@@ILoveMuzzleloading I had a Manton double that was my g'g'fathers. Percussion. It was stolen many years ago.
I have 1855 same rifle
Quick question. Does this specific example have a straight barrel or is it swamped. I've been re watching this video but can't tell. I'm thinking about doing something like this for my first muzzleloader because I like the simplicity and elegance but wodo it in flint just because I've always wanted a flintlock
Hey Brandon, sorry I can't recall if it was straight or octagonal. Because of the Eastern influence, I think you could get away with a swamped barrel on a contemporary version. A straight barrel would be quite heavy in this length.
Does that rifle have an offset? I have two longrifles myself. One is a production longrifle with a straight stock (centerline of the barrel is same as centerline of the stock) and the other is an Early Lancaster by a private builder that has an offset (stock is slightly angled off to the right when mounting the rifle). I used to do fitting fro custom made shotguns and lining the eye up exactly down the middle of the barrel without bending your head over to the right to do so was a key measurement. Most people need either a 1/4" offset or perhaps a 3/8" offset. Smallest I ever did was a 1/8" offset for a young woman with a narrow face and widest was 1/2" for a gentleman with high cheekbones and a wide face. Left-handed shooters need an "onset" instead of an offset.
What year was that made? Reason I ask is the barrel looks like a straight or straight-tapered barrel and not a swamped barrel, but hard to tell from your video. If the caplock is original, and it has a straight barrel , I would expect it to be an 1840's or later rifle and that would fit in with William Hawkens life span. Straight barrels did not become common until Remington designed a method to do deep drilling of a steel blank in about 1838. Prior to that hammer forge welding was the method used and almost invariably they had swamped barrels with a low profile front sight. Any idea of when it was actually made?
What a rifle. What do you estimate the drop at? I am right now working a full stock for my TC Hawken. Thanks for showing this rifle. I think I will keep mine simple and sleek. But I'm going copper on my hardware.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that was built in Xenia, Ohio
Could it have originally been a flintlock? The drum looks like it was installed later.
I thought the same, but the lack of a second screw on the side plate indicates this was always a percussion rifle.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading Interesting. Good point. I overlooked that. I keep searching for a flintlock full stock hawkin type rifle. They must have made them.
to my knowledge, a full stock flint Hawken has not been found, that being said there were other makers making similar pieces back east. I reckon there’s an early transitionary plains/trade rifle out there that is close
How ti survived??
Off topic, my 54 cal flintlocks first shot is way off from subsequent shots that group very well. A slightly fouled barrel shoots very nice. Why this phenomenon? This presents a problem for hunting season.
Some muzzleloaders like to run dirty, have you tried using a thicker patch or a slightly larger ball? At least for this first shot?
Is it off consistently at least?
@@ILoveMuzzleloading I will try a thinker patch. I am already using a 535 RB.
With a .015 daisy patch. Rifle is a pederlosi frontier.
Thank you for your attention. Gus
How do I get some decent photos of that you are showing right now that Williams hawkins. I would like to copy it
I bet you 5 that stock was busted over someone's head ? A lot of use on that on sure would like to know the history on that one