They found him...28 YEARS LATER?!
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- Опубліковано 14 січ 2023
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Max discusses a recent discovery made about the arcade version of the fighting game, Fighting Vipers, and how a certain blue hedgehog was discovered deep within the game's code.
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I can't believe the rumored batshit insane "Sonic & Tails in Smash Bros Melee" unlock conditions ended up being ENTIRELY TRUE... Just everyone was looking at the wrong game
Hey, it’s the really really fast person!
User: Hol horse
Stand name: Emperor
Description: *GUN*
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Stand User: Keicho Nijimura
Stand Name: Bad Company
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didn't expect to see you here
Hi
"My uncle works at sega and he says that you can pick sonic in fighting vipers with a secret." - some kid in the 90s that no one believed.
Well , they were still wrong, the characters are in the code but they're too far away from what you can reach with +1 to play as
They had to mess with values to get there
The concept of fighting a glitched mystery character that suddenly shows up from time to time would honestly be a good idea in a fighting game that parodied obscure and forgotten characters
They could have a glitched Dural and make it impossible to beat.
Sounds very smash bros-y almost, lol. Like the fighting polygon/wireframes.
The first two mortal kombat games did the same thing
There is a character in the series Virtual On that their story is basically that, lol
@@MizunoAoiro Ermac and Skarlet
I can’t believe fighting vipers lets me live out my dreams playing as Jotaro Mishima
2023 - cross over with everything begins
2024- triple cross play coming
Wow
I thought the same exact thing, just like "nah, that's Kazuya Kujo... Or Jotaro Mishima."
I thought the similaties would end with just the immediate character select art but then i realized not only is his hair blending into his hat, and not only does he have a white alt costume, but he literally squares up like Kazuya or Heihachi.
Shinobu pfp
I can’t believe fighting vipers lets me live out my dreams playing as Jotaro Mishima and punching tails through a fence
"You get...this guy". Bro's afraid to say Jotaro
It's 100% jotaro. SAme build same hair and hat combo haha
Nah Max probably doesn't even know or remember who Jotaro is and is just thinking that Bahn looks pretty ridiculous. And both Bahn and Jotaro are based on the Banchou archetype, a school delinquent boss who's usually honorable and righteous. Bahn doesn't look like Jotaro, both of them look like a Banchou.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat I believe he knows Bahn resembles a character from JoJo but I doubt he knows his name.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat Guy plays fighting games and doesn't know Jojo?
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 It's possible. I mean there have been JoJo games, but for some people Jojo might be completely outside of their knowledge scape
It always seemed so weird that Sonic was missing from Fighters Megamix but it makes sense that he is hidden in some of these games
@Slipstreamz you know it especially with Sonic Frontiers! 😁😁😁😁😁
Makes no sense why they just didn't make Sonic unlockable in Magamix.
You could play as a car, for gods sake.
@@j.h.181 not to mention Bark and Bean from Sonic the Fighters were in Megamix, so it wasn't like the franchise as a whole was skipped over
@@tailsBOOM1992 exactly!
@@wave201988 Ler the fans be fans….I’m loving sonic lost world on my steam deck…
I love how Bahn is literally just Dollar General Jotaro
Yeah man no one is talking about it Lol
Well, i mean, that was the stereotypical macho school rebel. It could be someone from Otokojuku or any other manga with the same style. It´s probably JoJo though
@@Eisenwulf666 I know the stereotype you're talking about. But the hate Bahn wears literally has the same hat/hair fusion look that is emblematic of Jotaro lol
@@icarus212001 yeah, i said it's probably JoJo, but it has some details of other characters too, so maybe a fusion? But the hat/hair combo is pretty iconic
Jesus, unlocking Sonic & Tails in this game is the most insane shit.
The 2020s is the decade of Sonic confirmed.
blew me away
The hell you talking about "decade of Sonic"..?
The Sonic redemption/renaissance is real af.
Two good movies, a sick af game, and a great Netflix series. It's a good time to be a Sonic fan ngl.
EDIT: Also, the Sonic Symphony.
Frontiers, great fangames, we are winning this year.
@Blit-X- TV [LIVE] 🐺 The hell you living under a rock?
Ah shoot, the 100 wins in a row was for skirtless Candy/Honey, sorry if I didn't make that clear, oopsie! Also, to kill what seems the entire leadup of this video, I stated Sonic and Tails were value 0A, no button combos actually increase the character select to allow them to be selectable. The screenshot was to merely show the pair off! Apologies for any confusion I may have caused! 😅
Hey man, you're good. Mistakes happen, s'all they ever do
Commenting to hopefully bump your comment a little higher up haha
👋 Hi BSF!
I like to imagine that the people who put this in were like "Man this is gonna be really weird and confusing for people looking through this code."
After being made as a Fighting Vipers character, Honey is now a cat in the Sonic world.
I think the tweets were pretty clear, I feel like this guy just read what he wanted them to say even if they actually said the opposite.
I keep being surprised by people's lack of reading comprehension.
It seems even in this very comment thread somebody misunderstood what you're saying thinking you made a mistake. No. The guy in the video did, you're just politely admitting you might not have been extra clear but the only one making a factual mistake is the guy in the video.
As someone who played Sonic the Fighters and later learned of its connections to Fighting Vipers, (There was a even a cut character that was just a Sonic-style version of a Fighting Vipers character.) count me interested.
Honey is perfectly playable in the 360 version
@@FusionComet That is correct, and so was the previously unplayable (without hacking) Metal Sonic.
The thing I find the funniest about Honey in the original game, is not only did she have that lazy eye that likes to look at the camera, but if you play her in arcade mode, the eye spontaneously fixes itself during the opening cutscene of the final fight.
mmmmmmm
she also became a canon sonic character for an adaption of Sonic the Fighters in the comics
The clip of Max laughing at the BM boss has me dying 😂
Time stamp?
@@iori09yagami 3:39
Was it the bowel movement?
This reminds me of the Nozomi cheat in Shenmue (found by BlueMue). Essentially, in order to fulfill the requirements, you need to feed the cat to reach a certain “friendship” value (1000) with the cat. Then, as Nozomi is being harassed at the park in particular cutscene, you need to enter a very particular button code. When the cutscene ends, Nozomi will fight alongside you, doing Ryo’s moves, even able to do Arm Break Fire… it’s pretty hilarious.
LMAOO wtf I hope this is in the PS4 version bruh😭😭
@@0zbrian It is actually, you just need to find the Nozomi trivia section on the Shenmue Wikia, or try to find the video by BluMue.
Max: You actual get Sonic and apparently Sonic.
Me: Tails has been stuck in Sonic’s shadow for so long that he became Sonic.
I STILL remember this game, even decades later. Such a fun fighting game!
To hear that there still finding hidden in it is, amazing!
With prerequisites like this it truly had to be that these extra characters were meant primarily for the Devs who surely had that many hours logged in making and tweaking the game. Maybe as a treat for themselves
Dude out here lookin' like Jotaro Kujo
Probably because of eitehr the 90s OVA series or the original manga.
I miss games having crazy secrets like this, but this might be too esoteric.
FIghters Megamix has the AM2 palm tree as a fighter but it's insane how you have to unlock it.
@@macuser7048 a fighting palm tree? Wtf, lol.
@@SuperChaos002 It's the AM2 logo. A lot of Sega games have palm trees.
Wonder why it's not much of a thing nowadays?
Agreed it's cool, but this is a bit much😅 Then again, it's neat to see the devs went this hard.
Note to self: include hard-to-find secrets in game.
The only reason I know about fighting vipers is by playing almost every single yakuza game
Kills me how devs won't tell people hidden secrets years later when people never found them. Wonder why they always do that.
What do you mean no one likes to spoil the surprise...
@@oBuLLzEyEo1013 Enough, it's been over 28 years on this video, others last 5 or 10, don't start.
@@mushihimesamas so because other developers reveal their secret after five or ten years you say every developer should makes no sense to me also what about that trials Easter egg in the Eiffel Tower we're never going to see that...
mmm
I mean, a strong possibility is that they themselves don't remember. Considering the high-stress environment of developing games, made worse by the Japanese work culture, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these guys are just as surprised as we are when old secrets like these are discovered. All they remember is running on 3 hours of sleep and working themselves into a heart attack, so if you tell them they threw in Sonic the Hedgehog their reaction might just be "I mean I guess that sounds like something I'd do?"
10:13 "I love this shit!"
You heard him - Max loves Sonic, CONFIRMED.
Last Bronx was another hidden gem Sega dished out in the arcades. I kept feeding these machines along with Virtua-On: Cyber Troopers and Die Hard Arcade.
Shout out to Physic Force for making my childhood also.
Wasn't it like... a decade ago, that someone found a long hidden code that permanently unlocks Khameleon and Human Smoke in the N64 port of MK Trilogy? Blew my mind at the time.
Bahn straight up looks like Jotaro lol. Hat hair and everything!
That's because both Bahn and Jotaro are based on the Banchou archetype, a school delinquent boss who's usually honorable and righteous. Banchou as a term originates from ancient Japan, like Yakuza, they carry ancient honor codes and follow old traditions, which is why Bahn has kanji on his coat that describes his principles.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat while true, I only know of 1 banchou archetype character whose hat fuses into their hair :p
one of my favorite things about the 90's in gaming ...all the super secret cheats and hidden gems that are stuffed in. Like when you were younger pre-internet and saw a friend or someone at the arcade playing as someone you've never seen before doing moves you didn't know existed, such a rare experience !
I remember seeing a screen cap of Sonic and Tails from Fighting Vipers in a old issue of DieHard/GameFan but never actual knew they were left in the final release. Absolutely bonkers.
Fun thing about Pepsi-Man, I would draw him but with the Sega Saturn logo instead and call him (what else) Sega- Man.
Oh hey. Mahler's was one of my favourite childhood characters. Tons of hours spent on Fighting Vipers & Fighters Megamix on the Saturn.
Keeping his profile picture as my YT avatar for the last decade or so has finally paid off!
When I saw the reveal of Sonic and Tails in that Twitter thread my jaw dropped. I'm genuinely so shocked lol
He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. Pepsiman.
these 1-2 frames of Max's screaming red face at 1:33 scared the shit out of me XD
There was a lot of them, surprisingly
Yeah that scared me too I just watched some horror games feels like its following me
@@hollowedboi5937 the fact that it appeared right after Max said that they found weird stuff in the game was what got me the most honestly
Bahn is just straight up Jotaro Kujo. Even his alt colors fit his Part 4 look.
I wish Sega would revive both Fighting Vipers and Last Bronx.
Also Eternal Champions.
The guy who made Eternal Champions was working on a spiritual successor but he passed away not long ago.
That makes sense. Sonic The Fighters looked like a spiritual sequel to Fighting Vipers.
Sonic the Fighters is fun, Fighting Vipers is like the prelude. Virtua Fighter but way goofier with it's characters.
They use to market Pepsiman as "Dural's mutant brother" in game magazines.
We're gonna have this kind of video when someone finally figures out the mk11 towers of time secret
These old arcade cheats are GameFAQS level of insanity
Ahhh Fighting Vipers, the prequel to Striking Vipers.
So we go from B. Mahler being regular Mahler => finding Sega employees => Alt Color Pallets => Sonic & Tails and finally Pepsiman, my how deep this rabbit hole has gone
Makes me anxious knowing that any game could have huge secrets and the devs could disappear or retire and never mention it , why? no one knows! Let's put a limit, shall we? Like an unspoken rule of 10 or 20 years to come clean
no.
Pirates should simply tell me where they buried their treasure after 20 years of no one finding it
@@Kaius. Pirates hid it for themselves, not for others to find it
mmm
Looking for secrets in games is just as fun as actually finding them.
I played with Jane in the arcade when I was a kid. I called her Budget Ralf.
What an insane thing to watch starting 2023.
I really love this little secrets from old games, keep them coming!
Pepsi Man was also included as an unlockable character in the Japanese only version of Fighters Megamix
I used to play fighting vipers at Sega City in the Park Meadows mall in Denver. I had no idea it was such a rare thing to find in the wild. RIP sega city.
Wasn't expecting my friend Tracker to get a cameo in this video, but here we are
I really love when stuff like this gets unearthed so many years later after the game’s release. Just when you think there’s everything to know about a certain game, then boom, an amazing hidden secret that no one had figured out after all these years until now.
It reminds me of when we found out that Shin Akuma was within SFA2 (SNES)’s code and it was finally revealed after 20 something years later on how to access him too. As someone thats getting into coding, seeing secrets, cut content, leaks, etc get unearthed from my favorite video games after so many years just intrigues me even more. Never underestimate the fanbase, man.
Then technically, Fighting Vipers would be the first game Sonic appeared in 3D pre-dating 1996's Sonic 3D Blast.
AM2 were masters of early 3D
"That's not twenty-eight years, is it?"
Oh... oh god... ooooohh... mmh...
I just can't excape Sonic the Fighters. It haunts me. No matter where I go or how long I go without seeing it and thinking I am safe, I never am. It always comes back.
I still have my copy of fighting vipers for Sega Saturn. Loved the hell out of that game as a kid along with Last Bronx.
Always entertaining having Max speed (mis)read through these sorts of discussions. Really cool that this sort of stuff was found.
First Shin Akuma in SNES Alpha 2. Now Sonic and Tails in Fighting Vipers ?
What’s next ? Ryo Hazuki is in Virtua Fighter ?
Akira technically is soooooooo
Seems like there are a lot of people in the comments who don't know that both Bahn and Jotaro are based on the Banchou archetype, a school delinquent boss who's usually honorable and righteous. Bahn doesn't look like Jotaro, both of them look like a Banchou.
Banchou as a term originates from ancient Japan, like Yakuza, they carry ancient honor codes and follow old traditions, which is why Bahn has kanji on his coat that describes his principles.
Is hat and hair being morphed into one part of the banchou archetype?
I love this game! I remember I saw this in an arcade back around 95 and thought this was the future. I wish Sega would make a part 3 to this underrated classic.
Ayee sup LX Sniper
That’s literally just jotaro it’s not even trying to be a little different lmao
Now we need someone to figure out how to unlock Toad in Smash Melee for the true resurgence of playground rumors and lost media.
Shout-out to Bahn being in Project X Zone and having one of the most chad assists in the game
Yeah! Loved him appearing there!
I LOVE seeing things like this! Old game secrets found years later, I'd love to see more.
Damn I played the wrong game? Striking Vipers VR with my friend was relieving.
Oh man, we're getting closer for people figuring out how to unlock Akuma in RE2 original.
Is he able to punch zombies? lol
The 90 ies were Funky Times for Fighting Games. Oh the Memories i have of Tekken 2 and Soul Edge. and the first Marvel vs Capcom Game. and Virtua Fighter 1.
and i remember being blown away by the Animations of the very first Street Figher III.
I'm still blown away by SFIII
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Oh Yeah. Hugo s animations alone and His Stage and how the clothes move on Ibuki and Ken. I remember seeing a Making of Street Fighter III and it was VERY Expensive to Develop they were disgussing If its even worth it. The ONLY 2 D Fighter that Looks better is Capcom vs SNK 1. Man these Backgrounds.
Fascinating. Knew Sonic the Fighters came from one of the Fighting Viper devs throwing in sonic on the game, didn't know Sonic could be accessed after all this time without hacking!
Fighting viper was the top game back in the middle 90s back then. It's a shame no one pick it up a year later. It's one of the Sega famous games.
In Star Gladiator (PS1) I'm pretty sure there's a way to play as super Bilstein (the hidden spirit version boss)
So was that Maskless Scorpion I saw someone fight against at the movie theater Arcade might have been real and not a fever dream.
I cant remember if it was Mortal Kombat or Mortal Kombat II. The guy got his butt kicked. That is all I remember and for sure it wasn't Reptile because He was Yellow and had the skull head from the finisher.
I love freaking Fighting Vipers! Bahn always made me laugh with his,"Yo Mother's bra!" at his foes, and Sanman is pretty much Eric Cartman as a fighting game character XD
It would be great if one of the devs actually talked about this stuff (not revealing the cheats) but talking about the process of doing this without no one noticing
Your Saturn would probably die by then. lol
@@macuser7048 already died....
These videos are awesome!! Do more like this!! I love learning about funky little hidden things in games :>
Great Stuff, as always!
Fighting vipers was cool as hell loved playing it
This is old news, though. The Cutting Room Floor already had an article for this a few years ago, about Sonic and Tails being accessible in the arcade version through cheats.
Reminds me of the polygon article for Capcom vs SNK's development about how SNK devs modified the build of KOF 98 to not only add Ryu and Ken onto the roster but Goku as well. So, out there in some former SNK employee's attic is a copy of KOF 98 Mugen edition.
I remember Fighting Vipers, Honey (Candy), Grace and Raxel are my favorites characters there.
Love the soundtrack too.
Honey is an underrated waifu 🥰
this game is in Judgment if you go to the capcom arcade its one of the games to play like virtual fighter
For years i was told in Sega Worldwide Soccer 97 you could unlock a Sonic team...this gives me hope that one day someone might find that
The bigness of Big Mauler implies that regular Mauler is the smaller Mauler.
Holy shit man i love the fresh cut idk how long you've had it but it's fresh as hell my guy 👌👌
Wow awesome video! I was huge Fighting Vipers fan!
I'll never forget the many times my cousins and I tried to unlock Nimbus Terrafax in MK1. EGM was a savage for that.
This same type of thing actually happened with Castlevania SOTN. There is a sword in the game called the Muramasa that can be leveled up to 999 attack power and be carried over to new games that wasn't discovered till like 2009 or so.
This reminds me of the recent Super Punch Out discovery where you can play a secret two player mode
Makes you wonder what kind of crazy deep easter egg stuff is being hidden in games today.
None, they want you to know so you can pay for it.
Sadly none due to Dataminers leaking everything before the game even get beaten
I played Fighting Vipers at my local arcade in England. I actually had the best arcade, in Lakeside Shopping Centre in Essex. Closed down as the playstation took over.
You can play as Sonic, Tails, Jotaro Kujo, humans and if you had the other one Pepsi man, the guest characters were goated
Excellent video. Would love more stuff like this from you
Shen Long literally crying and shaking right now
What really gets me is how he was looking at the source code and still couldn't tell in any way that Sonic was in there until he goofed around and tested the game.
Which really lends credence to the Mortal Kombat claim that stuff still hasn't been found. You can literally be looking directly at the code, and still not be able to figure out convoluted secrets.
We already knew sonic and tails were in fighting vipers, unlocking is a next step.
Between this and 2P Super Punch-Out!!, it’s neat to learn all of these crazy things on old games THIS LONG IN THE FUTURE!
Craziest part isn't even Sonic being there, is Jotaro being on the starting roster
You can spam the same move over and over to win. lol
That hidden cheat journey to finally get to Sonic was wild 🤣
Now all we need a online mod version with every character in it as an definitive edition where everyone can play these hidden characters and exclusive characters all under one entry.
Bahn is just Jotaro lmao
Exactly
I miss the era of gaming where we'd unlock characters and other cool things in games, now people pay extra for that
It's not black and white.
Characters were "unlocked" but then you buy a new game at full price with only 4 extra characters, the next year.
Also, no new characters = game dies, another reality. In todays heavy FGC market, dlc keeps games alive.
It turns out the secrets to playing Sonic and Tails in Melee were for the wrong game all along.
I love secrets like this, characters being hidden so well, it actually took, not years but decades to find.
I've known about Sonic and Tails being in Fighting Vipers' code for some time. However I didn't know about the actual Devs putting themselves in the game. Great video max!
This is amazing!
5:07 - Reminds me of the secret input combination that makes Ryo perform a shoryuken on Shenmue, at the start of the second disc (the harbor) during the mugging scene, which requires an execution even tighter than 2 seconds.
Being that both games were made by AM2, it can't be a coincidence...
wow max and simmons looked soo young and healthy in that old video. u can see what the years has done to them. seasoned. like a boulder worn down by the repeated waves of the ocean.
Or fists of the Redfield
I think max aged like a fine wine
They need to Revive Fighting Vipers…. One of the coolest fighters ever
You know how SNK is bringing all their fighting games back? Sega should do the same thing with all the AM2 games.