i was fired by my boomer-ass boss and my next job offer turned out to be a promotion. went from 21.5k euro salary doing fullstack, testing and QA to 28k euros doing just QA testing. the first company had no idea that I was doing 2-3 persons jobs for the lowest industry standard pay, oh well.
Hear ye, hear ye Same here. The last couple of bosses were apologetic to me for not getting me a better raise; one time I was told that 7% raise is above the company policy of max 3% But it does not compare to 10 + % raise you get when leaving. I'm at a point where I make enough for the family to be well off, and not paid enough to be relaxed at the job rather than stressed out.
or when you tell your boss you're quitting and if you're good they will give you more leeway in negotiating a better salary (by asking what will it take for you to stay). I did that once! It worked!
@@NeganLucilleForever never accept counter offers, they will use you into the ground until finding a replacement then they will get rid of you and now you have to look for a job instead of switching jobs
@@SomeAndrian They can get rid of you at any time. Counter offers are ok, if you're really good. Again if you know you haven't been pulling your weight or if you're a new hire, it will probably backfire (they will call your bluff and you will lose your job).
Boomers are also terrible at passing on the torch. They complain about younger people not stepping into leadership roles, but never actually give young people leadership roles. Or if they do. It's all responsibility and no reward.
And then managers and pols all acuse them of "job hopping" and "seeking more money" as the only motives - not knowing its their own insane mgmt. driving most people away.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 That is true and than they say, never talk bad about your old company. Like what the hell I hated my manager, he talked like 1 hour with me in three yeahrs and half a hour of this was him tlaking to me that I don´t do the job like he wants me to do it (My method was just 2x faster, but old ways are good ways).
@@tenminutetokyo2643 I've never understood how "seeking more money" is a bad thing. Isn't that what a career is? Unless someone wants to be a writer eating ramen noodles their whole life, it's probably money motivated.
Happening at my husband’s company, too. Meetings all day some days. Gives middle management, who are inept and clueless, an excuse of “working on it” to their bosses. His company keeps cutting staff and wonders why they can’t get anything done. Istha mis tree 🤪
Which blows my mind because having employees you can just trust is a fking dream. Imagine having people who make your job easier ..just to intentionally make things more difficult
It's mind boggling...sometimes I even feel like the better i do my job the more they start to nag and micromanage me...WHY?!? I'm doing my job meticulously specifically so that you leave me the hell alone!!!
I used to work at a company like this. We had 4 managers for every one developer. The company believe it or not decided that hiring more managers to manage the developers was the solution to us not being able to complete tasks on time. Eventually one of our genius managers decided that it was better to just get rid of all the US based devs. He ended up firing all of us except for 3 guys who would be responsible for bug fixes. The rest of the project was outsourced to India. When I asked him why he was firing us he said it was to hard to manage us because we had too many "rights".
@thomas samson i am sorry i do not understand this. Btw as an european i consider the most of the indians being the same race as europeans if that is what you are after.
haha. If managing local employees is too hard, wait until he manages a remote team of Indian workers. Besides, doesn't "too hard to manage us" equivalent to admitting the manager lacks management skills ? Would be great to share a feedback how this company is doing today with their Indian devs. If top tech companies hire locally rather than outsource 100% of their engineers to India for $5/hour, there is a reason.
"Sometimes he doesn't come in to the office for 2 entire weeks" ... as a programmer, I can tell you that's when he's in the deep-concentration mode required to be that productive. Forcing him to obey stupid pointless rules when he's obviously producing well, will destroy his productivity. If he is clearly productive, then he is best at 'managing himself' to maximize his own productivity.
Also even if he doesn't need it for productivity I can understand why he doesn't follow this rule. The manager even pointed out that he has no interaction with ANY person or object in the office. So his reason would be: "It's wrong because it's wrong." Maybe if you're talking to a kindergarten child this would work but any sane mentally healthy adult individual would question your rule and the reason behind it. Something can't be wrong or right without a reason. If you have no reason for a specific rule, there's no point of obeying it to begin with.
My favorite is forcing devs to sit in open offices where distractions are limitless. If you can't deep dive code for 16 hours every day, fails are likely.
@Johannes Terzis Maybe this virus will open up the mind of the average office-joe and most people will realise how dumb it is to not work from home when you work in a job where it's easily possible to do so. It's just corporate nonsense.
A group of 20 and mostly managers already sounds like a recipe for disaster for any project whether it's software related or not. With that many managers any person will be distracted with status updates when making their way to the bathroom. If anything could be accomplished it'd be a miracle.
For real. I get my best work done at home with no distractions. Even if I'm not being bothered by anyone having people around still affects your ability to focus.
I was thinking maybe it was a project that requires also other types of expertise, like design, so for that reason it wouldn't be necessary a team of developers. Though saying there are mostly managers on the team is quite unusual...
I had a boomer boss once get mad at me for trying to calm down an angry co-worker by saying "there is crap here that bothers me as well, but I try to just get along". Like how dare I suggest this minimum wage job isn't perfect.
I'm a scrum master. It's true, we do mostly nothing...except sit around figuring out what to do with our time. Meetings are usually a great answer because "having conversations" makes it look you're doing something.
ah yes, the forced "agile". I loved those meetings. my team lead had a talk with me about sleeping on those meetings tho. shame, I was so refreshed for the rest of the day too.
Currently working as a software person, I know perfectly well how useless a scrum master can be - so how would one go about becoming one? Doing nothing most of the time at a management pay grade sounds like a pretty sweet deal. 😬
Weird. All the scrum masters i worked for were in the trenches with the rest of us. Delegating tasks, breaking up fights, straightening out the difficult developers. They were very busy and working lots of unpaid overtime (cuz salary). Sounds like I got the rare ones.
These managers are literally everywhere. These guys would rather u follow stupid rules that contradict your work, than actually let common sense work. These middle managers are sad people that crave any authority.
You'd think people in a management position got there because they have some kind of actual skill in a being a leader, but most of the time it's just because they're good at kissing corporate posterior and bossing people around.
These are bad managers. The Company Handbook is a guide not a law book. If I was his manager I’d leave him alone. My job is to remove road blocks and use accountability when they violate rules that lead to liability or impact other employees. If there is no harm in what they are doing, I have other shit to do as a manager.
@@Nightfighter82 Only if they were like Alex Becker. They are so good they dont need to talk or last message in 6months. So why cant they leave you alone all day
@thomas samson that is a terrible idea. 1st of, regulation of people's ability to reproduce is abhorrently immoral. what about just taxing 50% of all wealth above a very generous 20 million a year. that would solve almost all of these issues, and the rich still get to be ridiculously rich.
I've been a developer for a long time and something that I've learned is that management constantly tries to justify their existence. Often times their only reason for doing something is to make it look like they are doing something. I've also been a manager and those above me would get on my case for NOT messing with my good workers. I'm like hey they are top performers and doing a good job I want to leave them alone. Sometimes the manager doesn't even want to mess with the employees but they have someone above leaning on them to do so. Also forget about raises, that went away when Sox was passed into law (Sarbanes Oxley). You either move into a new job and negotiate salary on the new job or move to a new company entirely. Generally speaking you shouldn't stay at the same company more than 3 years if you want high pay.
Being left the hell alone is one of my top 5 motivators for being a good performer. When I start a new gig. I like to establish a rapport and reputation for being a solid worker so that as I get settled in, I can do my work in peace.
@@Whodjathink equity and performance related compensation came under higher scrutiny due to management manipulation in the C-Suite of officers. Dodd-Frank and SOX didn’t exactly limit it but it did make it a point of high focus for auditors (which is my field). Inflated financials from account manipulation is a classic move from less-than savory managers as their compensation was more often directly based on the financial performance.
@@lifotheparty6195 but wait, that'd be the case for the CEOs and other top level managers but I'm having a hard time seeing how it trickles down. Unless it's because they know the numbers are fake that they can't actually give someone a raise without lowering projected profits is what you mean
@LTNetjak I don't know of many companies that have that many workers but yeah, you're not wrong. There's also the fact that most Top level execs don't really get the million dollar salaries people think they do, but stock options and shares which get counted as their income. Now that second paragraph, now I get it a bit better. Though from the initial comment it seems like it doesn't affect raises per se but affects how they're written on the accounts.
making people show up to an "office" is about control. It is designed to drain your time and energy and so they can observe you because they want to own you, not pay for your services.
@@OffGridInvestor you know what i like, driving an hour and 10 minutes to work only to find out there was no work available and told to go home. we can text non relevant crap all the time but cant send a text telling me my truck is in the shop, not to come in. love it
I have a friend who had a company with interns only. So he had this little office with him and a bunch interns sitting around one big table and nobody was allowed to wear headphones.
@@cloud15487 Well yeah.… the odd thing is that he can't work under a boss. That's the main driver he started his own company. At the same time he's probably much worse than any boss he worked under.
I’m GenX. Boomer bosses were a pain in my ass for the first 15 years of my career. Thank god they’re retiring now. Now I have to keep my fellow X’ers from becoming Boomers 2.0.
Its inevitable that your fellow X'ers will become Banagers (boomer managers), as will the generation that succeeds them and the generation that succeeds them. Once you become a manager, your perspective changes entirely. You no longer see things from the individual employee's side. Suddenly you see everything through the lens of management (and your own personal financial interest which is intertwined with management's). I, for one, will never go back to being a manager. Just give me my assignment, keep the corporate culture events and all that other mandatory HR equity bullshit to the minimum, stay out of my way and I'll give you the best content for the paltry wage you're paying me.
Some are retiring, a number orange though, why? Because they’re addicted to power and love telling people what to do as well as having people do shit for them.
I literally ranted to my wife for 30 mins because my father-in-law is having his screen monitored during his whole shift. This is bull shit, he is almost 60 and this is only happening because he works from home. I am so pissed for him, and it brought back "ptsd" from my 6 years working retail. I ended the convo by stating, if you can't trust me, don't hire me...I'm an adult and you should trust that I am working when I say that I am. Boomer's need to get a clue and it just makes me angry. Thank you for this video. I will state that I work a job without micromanagement and it is such a dream. My wife just got a job without micromanagement and she is seeing what life should be like. Great video.
Boomers have no idea. They ruined history with "the noble savage". They ruined the economy with endless free trade and they dissolved the nuclear family. If the greatest generation just beat these little fucking hippies up when they had the chance soo many problems wouldnt be here.
@@JBS2018 I think isnt refering to free trade of goods, but free trade of labor. Outsource homeprodoction to china because they have cheaper laborforce and bad law, employing Coders from Idia with workvisa, you can threten them with in an argument about theire salary.
You people need to stop confusing free trade with crony capitalism (globalism). Only big corporations can outsource in practice because they have big legal departments. In free trade, anyone could do that and also sell to any country, so in free trade companies from all over the world could sell goods to the USA. A company in USA paying USA taxes and fixed costs would not be able to compete with a company in a tax heaven outsourcing to the third world. It is like crypto currency versus fiat currency: no matter how small you are, you can be a bank and a speculative investor with the first one, that is free trade, but you can only do that in the second one if you are big, that is crony capitalism (globalism).
7:56 I went through this too, when we moved to working from home, our manager wanted three stand ups a day to check in. Little had changed between them, it disrupted workflow and decreased morale as we would always report "still working on that same ticket" and it sounded like no progress was being made. Even though they're only 5-10 minutes, people are late, or start an off topic conversation. Nightmare. Bet it made him feel productive though, we'd get emails all the time about meetings changing time (even by 5 minutes) or being cancelled and rescheduled. Is that his entire job?
A Scrum Master is there to look out for you. It’s not command and control position and you have to put up with more bullshit than you realize. If you’re not savvy enough to navigate stakeholders & product owner, you don’t belong in the position. And if you deny that many work at home Devs don’t sleep in and slow down what they do, when old Joshua has admitted to such, you’re not getting how this shit gets seen in how you act non-verbally. It’s obvious and you’re foolish if you think you’re fooling anyone
Before I quit I was brought into a meeting where I was told due to an accounting error, I was actually making more money for my role than I was supposed to be. They said they weren't going to change my pay but knowing I was actually supposed to be paid less to get verbally abused in my work from home call center job was icing on the cake when I quit with 2 days notice.
"We need to increase productivity. I know! We'll have three meetings a day that interrupt everyone's workflow and accomplish nothing except to tell my boss that I'm relevant to the company!"
Im a boomer boss but loved this! Totally agreed with it. The trouble is now there are so many managers paid to ask people what they are doing, then go and tell someone else... that person then tells someone else. This means the people actually doing the work spend their lives giving updates and not being productive, just to keep everyone’s tracker up to date giving the illusion of productivity.
Reminds me of when I worked in-office. - Completed my tasks very quicly. - Made it known I need more work. - Tired of sitting with nothing to do for 5+ hours a day. - I get up from my desk for 20 minutes. - I'm told my middle manager that my job is to "be at my desk". 🤡🤡
"x person is doing awesome, but i dont like how he's doing it, how do i take him down a notch because im horribly out of touch with basic concepts of management?"
We have a manager of the year. To save company money and motivate his workers to work more for free, he provides his wife. Put the man in an upper management!
I've quit jobs in less then 3 weeks when I've had a manager like that start getting in my face. I've worked remotely almost my entire career, I don't need to go into an office to do my job, so I don't. Someone contradicts that, then I find another position. It's easy to do when you have a sought after skill set. BTW, you wont' get a useful skill set from college, I had to learn it on my own after I got my engineering degree, which I've never used.
Yes same thing happened with me, strange thing is not using your degree for improved salary or recognition, family thinks I have wasted my time in school.
@@togowack I suspect if you had a dead end job they would think the same but ultimately if you are at least satisfied in what you do who cares what family or anyone else thinks but if your rolling in money i doubt they will care.
@@bluevan12 I have to wonder what kind of engineering degree zarroth has. In the last 7 months a lot has changed for me. Looks like family will for the most part give you the opposite of good advice... you are supposed to fail like them. Abandon these bosses and start your own business especially if you have an engineering degree you should have the thinking skills.
Make google meets every day that shows up on the calendars... with the express understanding that nobody actually goes, or only clicks the link to keep it open in the background. My boss did this during telework. If we wanted, we could talk to him. Or just be muted, camera off, and audio off. But it satisfied his boss, who is a useless boomer middle manager.
That's not JUST software but fixing cars and mechanical projects.... I get solutions laying in bed or wandering aimlessly looking at my firewood piles on my farm.
I work in audit and if I had a dollar for every time I figure out some effed up financial situation while having a cigarette I’d have like 50 dollars. Which isn’t a lot but I’ve only been out of college for a year so I’d say it’s a solid sample size
Some thirty years ago, I was working on an IT contract for a beltway bandit IT consulting company just outside of Washington, DC. We had a back-end SQL developer who was an absolute genius. Unfortunately, like the stereotypical IT genius, he was completely unpresentatble to the client. While the rest of us went around in starched white shirts, polished shoes and quality suits, this guy wore shorts and sandals.....even in the winter months. He might bathe once a week and shaved even less frequently. Honestly, he looked like one of the cavemen from one of the old Geico commercials. So we just decided to put him in the back of the office, behind a wall. Kinda like the character "Richmond" from the IT Crowd. He didn't care, we didn't mind and the client never knew, so problem solved. If the client wanted to speak with him, which was pretty rare, we told the client he worked out of an office that was out of town, but they could still speak to him over the phone. The way we saw it, our guy did quality work, so we were willing to make an exception for him. Now, the problem is, there seems to be this thinking in today's business world that an employer can't do anything special or unique for one employee without doing the same for ALL the employees. That's bullshit. There is already a difference in employee treatment based on salary, so why not in other areas as well? Whenever I hear the "what you do for one you have to do for all" bullshit, I know I'm dealing with lazy managers and ineffectual leaders. One other thing....that "the salary cap is set and there's nothing I can do about it" line is total bullshit. The manager is letting himself be mind-fucked into docile subservience by his or her fear of upper-management. Just because upper management says something isn't possible or allowed doesn't mean that it isn't. For management, this person is the IDEAL manager.....meaning to say, he or she is a coward. If this employee is a star contributor, the manager should be willing to fight for this person's increase. An effective employee, after all, makes the manager look good. Of course, today's managers are all gutless skinny-jean wearing soy-boys or EEOC equity hires, which means to say they're gutless pussies who are too afraid to fight for what's right for one of their employees for fear of upsetting Mommy or Daddy (i.e., upper management).
Great, they did it the right way! You learn much more that way. Phyton is missing depth when you want to learn more about the basics and backgrounds of computer languages, what the machine does with your code and coding itself.
@@-Jakob- A programming 101 course is meant to give just a basic idea of the fundamental elements in a programming language. If they have to delve deeper and get a thorough understanding of what's happening under the hood then that part should be covered in a computer architecture course where they have to work at very low-level dealing directly in assembly language. Python is a reasonably good choice for a programming 101 course and whatever is being taught in C/C++ from a beginner's standpoint can also be taught in Python.
Josh, thanks for defining your interpretation of boomer. I am 68 years old and I bristle at the term when boomers are criticized by young people. However, your definition is well explained and I take no offense. I really enjoy your channel and your videos are well done and you are highly engaging. I have been red pilled in the last two years about the nature of corporate culture and employees. My friends and family tell me stories about their workplaces and management. At first the horror stories seemed to be about a bad manager. The stories became more numerous and dysfunctional. Now I see we live in a world of corporate control, sociopathic CEO’s, and power hungry managers. Employees have little say in their fates. Hard work is frequently punished by managers that are afraid of moving highly productive people to new positions because those workers are difficult to replace. Some managers are intimidated by highly competent people working under them, viewing them as a threat. It is a shame many companies have created workplaces that are little more than indentured servitude.
probably it's more common with boomers simply because times have changed quite rapidly and indentured servitude has only worsened since the 50s (and with little evidence of anything but worse economic conditions ahead for the youth of today). not so much an age thing but a sign of the times.
I actually haven’t seen any reference to the ages of these managers Josh is talking about, most older managers wouldn’t ask an Internet forum for help, my guess is they are no older than 32/33 probably younger and not earn’t their position.
Do you think this BS comes from people spending so much of their formative years in schools? Schools which are really over glorified baby sitting centers whose jobs is to store kids in those places while their parents work, and all of the lectures and work is just busywork to keep them busy. Do you think it comes from trapping young, developing minds in school or could it be something else?
I'm a teachers aide in an elementary school and I have the same thoughts sometimes. It's not really the teachers' faults. They are overworked and underpaid and are responsible for too many kids at a time. The younger teachers have more reformed teaching methods that are more appreciative of diversity and making your own path but our educational system is a bit archaic and political still.
@@lsour8546 yeah but the teachers are underpaid because their pay is literally based on the American dream. "Wow you own a home....wanna pay taxes on to help schools?" "Umm no I mean I already pay taxes on food *except in Ohio or other states* water, electricity, gas, when purchasing a car, when getting inspections or tags, drivers driver's license every 8 years or so, taxing when flying, taxed when owning pets, taxed if I get married *marriage license * tax when divorced, tax for having children *birth certificate *, taxed when children die * death certificate * , toll road tax, sales tax, income tax, city, state and federal tax, social security.....yeah that's a tax. There is almost nothing you do that isnt taxed. But housing taxes are the only one you can vote on.
I also think most jobs back then were much more simple, it was much more of the routine and physical tasks, which basically worked like more hours=more work done. Nowadays tons of routine work is done by machines so humans have problem-solving, creative, thinking jobs where you can't just put in more hours without productivity decreasing substantially. Additionally, most roles have a broad range of responsibilities and tasks, compared to, for example, a factory worker(I worked in a factory last year). You never really feel like you know your stuff which is why impostor syndrome is so common in software.
@@ninjal7588I agree. A lot of things are becoming much more automated. Creativity and problem-solving are still things that are more tricky or expensive to automate. We are needing more and more specialization and therefore more and more education. Now Covid has happened and we are going to have to adapt even more and take apart our systems like employment or education and put them together again in a new way.
I’m literally leaving a company as we speak EXACTLY because of this. Not only are we expected to come in 3 days a weeks, the entire office is based on hotdesking. So we never have our own desks, which means that when it gets busy, fuck you, you get to sit in the warehouse Or something. My job was fully remote until a boomer operational manager was hired and now we have to come in for no reason at all. 4 out of 6 staff in my department is about to leave. They’re gonna have a dark dark December.
If there is one thing that pisses me off its hot desking, Hot desking should be for those who only come in the office for meetings once in a blue moon. Even if your only working in the office 2 or 3 days a weeks you should have a desk or office area permanently assigned not the bullshit of finding any desk otherwise you might as well be at home.
@@bluevan12 Now imagine you're a 2nd line support engi on some custom satellite hardware and you have no single station where all the equipment would be laid out for any testing that needs doing. And one of the senior members of staff said, to my face, that I should just bring in all of my test equipment with me into the office every day. Beautiful.
I've been binge-watching your content for days now. Literally, it's kinda crazy how much I can relate to you on a professional and personal level. Thank you for the excellent content josh, keep it up!
i had "performance issues" brought up by managers at one of my old jobs before, i had been telling them for months that i had to keep fixing things being done wrong by other people before i could properly complete my work. every time someone told them about the screw ups done by other departments, their response was along the lines of "thats just how they are" or "thats just what they do"
LinkedIn CEO: "I've been trying to get my employees to work 500hrs per week but they tell me that's not possible because there's only 168hrs per week. How do I make my modern economic slaves work my unrealistic expectations?"
I’m a boomer and I wish I had your videos when I was working. I think it would be accurate to describe the corporate culture as narcissistic. The boomers suffered as well.
sucks to be tarnished with a broad brush don't it (I'm technically a millennial but also recognize that these behaviours do not so easily fall into age brackets at all)
I just don´t understand the manager situation, why are all the companys hiring so many managers. As I started at my company we had 1 manager. Today this manager manges a manager and gets managed by a manager that has a manager. When I now ask something to my manager, he just states he has to ask the upper manager, after that I get never an answer.
@@WitchLuw it actually DOESN'T of you don't tell them. They DO ASK on some applications (not many) so say you quit for a family emergency or were offered a better job that didn't work out. Or moved for a girlfriend or something.
I am -- well, not young- but at my last job I had a boomer boss / owner - he was 37. I agree, it's a mindset, not an age. Sidenote, but one of the downsides that often rears it's head in smaller companies where the culture is fostered heavily by the owner, is that they expect their employees at every level to dedicated their lives to their company, just like they did when they started it. But for a fraction of the pay or benefits and often little concern for work-life balance. It lends itself nicely to a very boomer mentality within the company. Much respect to entreprenuers, I generally agree they deserve to be compensated more if they are successful, but let's get real about expectations. If you own a company, you shouldn't expect the average employee to put in anywhere near the level of effort and care that you do beyond the 8 hours they contribute while on the clock.
Probably, the sad thing is the bigger the company, the more management or hats required. But it's a problem of a lack of competent people, who can handle this type of job.
Kudos to Josh for continuing to call out BS like this and all the corporate cringe. Many managers can't stand the idea of looking out of their office and not seeing a kingdom of full cubicles. I currently have a medium sized org and they're all remote and they are much more productive than any open-office I have ever worked in. Thanks for what you do, Josh!
This reminds me of the time in my help desk job when they tried to make us do some BS spreadsheet organization stuff. Mind you, I'm part of the help desk. People call in to get help with their computers. So...I'm BUSY pretty much all day. Then they got mad at me for not doing it. Because I'm busy doing my primary duty.
"Duh, i cant take credit for the guys hustle in my meetings if everyone knows hes a lone wolf. If I know im obsolete, how long before the boss knows Im obsolete? I dont know how to develope sh**."
7:47 That whole cheating thing was horrible. He shouldn't be trying to fire him. He should be calling the police on both of them. The gall of the worker to try to defend himself. He should leave in shame.
My last employer was a millionaire boomer CEO who owns a finance company. I overhauled their website, their reporting and analytics, their IVR telecom system and created a mobile app so they can take payments. I estimate that the changes I implemented over the 5 years I was there brought them in over 750k from increased payments and collection strategies that I automated. Our department is extremely understaffed and won't let us hire even a help desk person at $15/h yet they will regularly hire accountants, risk analyzers and sales managers. I'm a Software Engineer making 60k/y but because we are so short staffed I have to do help desk tickets as well as password resets and desktop issues on the weekends and late at night. I don't get paid for that extra time as I'm salary based. When I asked for a raise he would never give me or my coworkers one, yet all the sales teams and managers got regular bonuses. Not only that but he as well as other departments would blame us for everything and anything that went wrong in the company even if we weren't involved somehow technology or reporting was to blame. He would never consult us or get our side of the story he would just run with it. Things came to a conflict When I got tested for the flu earlier this year I took 3 PTO days (out of my 10 available). My boss/owner calls me and tells me I'm destroying the company and costing him money because I'm not there, and cursed me out telling me I should resign and that when he is sick he comes in to work (I guess that's when he isn't at his mansion in the keys on during the workday or fishing all day during the work week). I told him if I'm so important to his multi-million dollar business why won't he allow us to expand our department? He couldn't answer the question and hung up on me. The following week when I returned to work I asked for an apology from him, not only is it illegal to harass a sick employee on a day off and violates labor laws. I didn't care about that, all I wanted was an apology for being cursed out and made to feel like a deadbeat because I have the flu and don't want to spread it to my coworkers. He couldn't apologize, he said he didn't owe me anything and that I'm toxic so I walked out and left. Now I work a nice government job making triple of what I made before, and it's remote. I get treated with respect, I get bonuses and my efforts are appreciated. The owner of the company I now work for is a young female woman who is really kind, smart and cares about the morale of her employees. More importantly I enjoy coming in to work and my productivity is increased due to the lack of stress and positive environment. They gave me top of the line tech to do my work. Whereas my previous employer I had to beg to get a $200 ebay laptop expensed or extra RAM. Seems the younger generation of business owner know how to treat their employees and understand that their success is commensurate with the happiness and appreciation of their employees. I still talk with my department manager at my previous employer, he's is miserable, still gets treated like garbage by the CEO. Still forced to work onsite despite COVID being rampant in the area and despite being a dev where all his work can be done remotely, and he is still being paid shit. I feel bad for the guy.
7:56 As a Scrum master wannabe. (working on that certification) I can tell you scrum/agile on itself can be useful, but manager make it god awful to follow. they hear agile and the first thing they think of are meetings. you want to keep meetings to a minimum. 1 per day when possible. and my interpretation of what a scrum master does, or at least what I've been doing is a roadblock remover. not someone who sets useless meetings every single day.
Scrum master is just a fancy name for a project manager. First thing you can do is stop having useless meetings. The thing about meetings is, if you can put it in an email/message then you don't need a meeting as you waste valuable time not only yourself but the ENTIRE dev team, just think 20 devs sitting in an hour meeting, that's 20 hours of productivity lost. Majority of the time you'd only need 1 meeting a week and have the devs and technical team lead sort the minutiae out themselves. Trust people to do their jobs and have targets with accountability, doesn't matter how they get there rather that they reach the target. If people are left to solve problems rather than sit hours, you'd find that people will invent smart solutions to problems to solve them at a quicker pace, so they can slack off even for an extra hour a day, but this won't matter because you gave them a target and if done why would it matter if they slack an hour off extra since the work you hired them for is done? There is a reason dev teams in the Netherlands are so productive( fyi they work less than 40 hours a week btw), because they are paid to do work and not sit hours.
I think scrum is a process trying to solve a problem that isn't a process problem. I used to work in a company that was honestly trying its best to apply scrum. Lots of the meetings didn't have any output but did waste our time. People were struggling to follow the method because scrum doesn't make people magically coordinate, it doesn't help. Updating all these tickets at every stage was wasting our time, actual flow didn't follow ticket flow (features were tested during development, deployed on beta before merge because of testing requirements, developers would be working on multiple tickets instead of one because of external breaks, etc.). Marketing / business people would do their best to circumvent scrum masters and negotiate features with devs because they didn't want to speak with useless middleman. There were about 5 teams of 4-8 developers at my old job. Because of special circumstances, my team (4 devs, 1 manager) was able to work using plain kanban rather than scrum. We outperformed all other teams and met all our deadlines. Simply because we could focus on our work and organize ourselves in a way that matched our team and tasks. Even our manager was useful because as he wasn't focusing on the process, he was available to solve all non dev problems (missing resources, missing / bad specifications, missing information, etc.). We would still do 1 "spring retrospective" every 1 or 2 months to make the manager happy though.
@kingofallcrypto The first half of your comment.. You basically described the place I work at, except I have 2 standups minimum and even more meetings if requested by the business
@@Headcrabman9999 most of the times is someone is falling behind on somethings that is holding up someone else. ie. one of my devs is waiting for a file from a vendor. if possible I ask (never force) my dev to work in something else. if not possible i wish him a good rest of the day and "let" him go (I say let, because he is working from home and he is responsible for his own time) I have to go to the vendor and check why we don't have the file yet. one time the vendor was waiting on something else from us. get it delivered. some other times a bug is hard for my dev to figure it out. if I can I help (not a very good developer myself) it not and this is critical I get someone to help us have it resolved ASAP. stuff like that. you could say I try to make everyone's life at work easier.
4:15 - I'm also not happy about my salary, I only got a very small raise last year that only covers inflation. Instead of beeing more productive to show them that I'm worth it, I do less because I don't see the point in working more.
The second one is great, I wish more people would do that. They demand 25% productivity increase but only pay you a 3% raise? Give them 3%. The first one is kind of a douchebag. The worker ought to at least give them a courtesy of “I’m gonna be remote” today.
i keep a steady pace from day 1. i arrive at 8a and leave by 5p. im only gonna work within office hours. and any work outside those hours will get done the next day. any meetings, work activities, etc. come out of employer time.
You can be sure they ask where he is at, every 10 minutes. They know where he's at. Imagine being in an office with 19 other managers while you're the only dev. They don't get that courtesy lmao.
@@JoshuaFluke1 yeah i used to have this problem at last job where the project managers were a real old school boys club that thought they were too good to do any real work. they would boss around the workers like me, go to client meeting, fancy corporate events, etc. basically they would overcompensate for lack of education or any technical skills.
At an old job, the company had invested in an automated workflow distribution system, so that everything would be online. One boomer underwriter kept trying to force various assistants to print out many of the 50-100 page documents the underwriters had to review. I stood my ground, and she complained to the head underwriter, whom she thought was a fellow boomer (he was a good 10 years older than she was.) Their argument could be heard across the office; he told her, "The Company paid a lot of money for this system and that is what you will use!" She responded, "Well, I'm just a stickler for having a piece of paper, so where does that leave us?" He said, "It means that either you get 'unstickled' or get a new job!!" She used the new system from that day forward.
HR: you need to take a break every 30 minutes managers: you can't take a 1 minute break for 4 hours straight. Or 6 if I asked you to work overtime. ??? One time I overheard the manager ''department'' try to come up with an excuse to not raise a person's desk. She was complaining about not being comfortable. They decided to just tell her that she's not sitting properly. So 4 hours straight no break, sit in one single position. Yeah that sounds healthy, physically and mentally... /sarcasm
The reason they are mad at him for not going to the office is that they want the same. If they are not having it no one else should have it no matter how good the guy is.
Remember: no matter how good of a dev you are or how much more valuable of an asset you are to your company than these supervisor boomers, they get paid way more than you (on average anyway)
Justification of scrum masters: I think it's not the case at every company, but in large corporate environments it can be really difficult to manage people's expectations. Given a team where you may have 5-10 other teams who are stakeholders in the work you're doing (i.e., they rely on the software you're building), they're all going to be wanting things from you generally as soon as you're able to provide them. Often I find the a lead engineer is responsible for managing the expectations of stakeholders, but they do this in conjunction with the scrum master because the lead is not necessary for every conversation. I have had a few great scrum masters (or agile coaches is another term for the same role) that were basically like bodyguards, saying things like "Aaron can't answer that right now but we can have a chat about your requirements, discuss timing, reprioritize different work, etc." So in a sense the scrum master is like the shield for the team. If they're not behaving this way, then more than likely end up micro managing engineering process within the team. Bear in mind the things I'm describing can be done by PMs, Product Managers, Eng Managers, etc. But if your PdM is already consumed working with other PdMs and people from the business, having a scrum master or coach can be great.
Funny. I’m a “boomer” and I agree with you. 😉 I’ve never agreed with rules for the sake of rules. And I despise the “we’ve always done it this way...” attitude. If the worker is outperforming everyone then let him do his thing as long as he’s not interfering with others. Geez you boomers. Get a clue.
Same reaction 😲 Then you do have experience IN LIFE with conflicts resolution, however, you can never be a manager because "I don't see any experiences in you résumé".. I think those called senior manager have some years of experience drinking tea and coffee and sitting on a desktop only, that's considered years of experience and gets you multimillion $$$$$ 😧
My supervisor is a boomer by age and ideology. He just took me completely off telework (3 days a week) although NONE of my job functions were compromised at all. Actually, I was able to get more work done at home if you can believe that. His reason...and I quote, "If I have to be here at work, than so do you." Ain't that about a bitch? Damn, I can't wait till my side-hustle becomes my main hustle. Sick of being an employee.
I'm sick of it too. Saving all my cash flow. So that I will one day feel comfortable telling people NO and watching what happens like I'm watching a movie. 🍿 Cause my job won't be needed...it will be just what I do for entertainment. LOL!!🤣
As person that has filled many roles, including being a ScrumMaster. I have to say more meeting is a terrible idea. The Job of a ScrumMaster is to prevent the needless meeting, Remove Blocker, Make sure you devs have all the resources and tools to get the job done. And when product owners not "project managers" and putting pressure on the team it is ScrumMaster's job to protect the devs, go to bat and push back. Any issue with Velocity should be addressed as a team during the retrospective. And to boot, it sounds like the "project manager" does not take into account any changes to the team will likely decrease the overall velocity at first. After two sprints and not going up then, it would be time to address major changes... Last, any ScrumMaster that wants to add more meetings to a sprint is very bad at their job and should look for another role that would better suit their skill set.
Josh, how do you feel about Jocko Willink and the "extreme ownership" principles? To me he presents more pragmatic approaches to dealing with these problems. What you decide to DO about horrible bosses and employers is most important.
Holy crap that last example reminded me of my former boomer boss so hard. Her flavor of micromanaging was interpreting the shitty Teams status light literally and then accusing me of not working when it was yellow/away, not considering that maybe I was on mobile because my laptop was dysfunctional and that the light would turn yellow any time I locked my phone.
I was just a guest to a retrospective for a CSM. I did a mentoring on how to communicate with management to get where you need to be. If you think the ability to move ahead is just getting job done, you’re a fool. The communication & relationship skills of being a successful consultant is the same & dealing with management. “Boomer” mindset is something you’re totally missing. It’s a foolish term and if you think thing’s aren’t questioned at work...that’s ignorant. I’m a PMP and a CSM - I guarantee I can get more productivity out of each team without micro managing. I’ve gotten my team raises. And that’s because I know how to navigate office politics - and you need to learn how important that is and ALWAYS will be.
Office politics is just power plays. If you view everything within the corporation as such you will do fine as no 1 knowing they are being screwed would allow it. Also not everyone has the capacity to be great with interpersonal skills and communication, but yes you can improve said skills but only to a point. Sure you can get more "productivity" out of a team but for how long? Have you ever heard of burnout? Dev teams are like car engines, many moving parts that need servicing and if run at too high RPM for too long it seizes. This is why when you run a engine you run it generally at a lower more manageable rpm. It has been proven that a teams happiness/morale is directly correlated to performance and people get very unhappy having to work at a high pace over a long period.
We had a manager that scheduled meetings on a continuous basis in order to avoid any day to day conflict or actual work since they’re constantly in meetings.
7:20 the policy CAN BE NEGOTIATED. I asked about going permanent at a place. "You'll have to wait at least 6 months and get headquarters to approve". 3 weeks later I come in to say I was leaving. WOW..... "we can sign you up permanent in A WEEK AND A HALF, exceptions CAN BE made! I can get the big boss on the phone THIS AFTERNOON...". I just said "too late now". He's been a good reference though.
Yooo I'm the creator of the 1st question of this video just wanna explain some stuff: -I'm not a manager, I put this question from my managers perspective cause I was really salty they didn't want me to work from home (sorry) -I was working for a company that subcontracts other devs, so their client was super happy with me, but my direct boss had mixed feelings cause I wasn't following dumb policy, despite great results. My interaction was with only people from the US and India. No real reason for me to go on person, knew I had the leverage of their happy client and abused it. -The reason I was top dev and only dev from office was because the rest of the devs where from India/US, I was the only one from Mexico. -I received 2 salary increments on 1 year and became team lead because of my performance. -The reason I didn't want to go to the office, was because India devs started working at my 10pm, and I felt I couldn't be a good lead if I couldn't do the same shift as them. -The client ended up leaving, and replaced all 20 managers with managers from India, I got paranoid and eventually left as well. Great review and video Josh, been enjoying your work for 2 years now. best of luck!
7:56 There is NO ROLE for a project manager in or on, or near a scrum team. The Scrum "Master" is supposed to encourage the team to manage themselves. This bullshit about having more stand-ups is about micromanagement. It is about increasing the psychological pressure on devs in the hope they will do more work - whilst actually taking time they could use to do real work. It would be better if they stopped pretending to do scrum and just plain out, honestly micromanage the devs.
I am just a junior dev but I can really relate to getting the best ideas while away from computer. For me, the shower is always the best place to find a solution to a problem I was stuck on. Go figure!
I gave a month's notice to a job and instead they asked me to leave right away and paid me in advance for the month. Sound crazy? It's true. They were that desperate to get rid of me. I have no idea how HR got that past payroll but go figure!
Be a boss, not a boomer - grindreel.academy/p/entrepreneurship
Josh I'd really like to know where you'll be in 10 years.
You sound personally offended. Boomer is a mindset not an age. You're right though. Dumb people of all ages exist!
your site needs some mobile responsive adjustments, it shouldn’t be horizontally scrolling overflows, just fyi
i was fired by my boomer-ass boss and my next job offer turned out to be a promotion. went from 21.5k euro salary doing fullstack, testing and QA to 28k euros doing just QA testing. the first company had no idea that I was doing 2-3 persons jobs for the lowest industry standard pay, oh well.
@TanukiTensai boomer
I'm a senior software engineer... The best raises you get are when you change jobs 🤷♂️
Hear ye, hear ye
Same here.
The last couple of bosses were apologetic to me for not getting me a better raise; one time I was told that 7% raise is above the company policy of max 3%
But it does not compare to 10 + % raise you get when leaving.
I'm at a point where I make enough for the family to be well off, and not paid enough to be relaxed at the job rather than stressed out.
or when you tell your boss you're quitting and if you're good they will give you more leeway in negotiating a better salary (by asking what will it take for you to stay).
I did that once! It worked!
@@NeganLucilleForever never accept counter offers, they will use you into the ground until finding a replacement then they will get rid of you and now you have to look for a job instead of switching jobs
@@SomeAndrian
They can get rid of you at any time.
Counter offers are ok, if you're really good. Again if you know you haven't been pulling your weight or if you're a new hire, it will probably backfire (they will call your bluff and you will lose your job).
This is why people switch jobs every 2 to 3 years for the first 10ish years
I have a boomer boss. These situations are exactly why millennials don't have loyalty to companies. Too many old people running the show.
Boomers are also terrible at passing on the torch. They complain about younger people not stepping into leadership roles, but never actually give young people leadership roles. Or if they do. It's all responsibility and no reward.
And they don’t want to give up their power.
Im GenX and they said one day we would inherit those jobs...still waiting
Nice ageism.
It helps to NOT have shit HR and shitty 3rd party payroll (esp when its out of country)
And people value cost cutting more
Than
Making more value
20 managers in a project and only 1 developers, no wonder why the developer wouldn't show up at the office.
you assume the managers are in the office instead of "working from home" or on "annual leave"
Sounds just like my current position. They are always hiring new managers but no new developers to actually get all the work they want to be done.
Probably can't go five minutes without some Karen poking their nose into his work.
@@Nukestarmaster then he should probably stop producing shitty work
@@mrosskne Ok Boomer
People do not leave bad jobs - they leave bad management.
And then managers and pols all acuse them of "job hopping" and "seeking more money" as the only motives - not knowing its their own insane mgmt. driving most people away.
Bad employers hire bad managers, if your not bad move on.
Every job i've ever left..never been the job, always been the managment.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 That is true and than they say, never talk bad about your old company. Like what the hell I hated my manager, he talked like 1 hour with me in three yeahrs and half a hour of this was him tlaking to me that I don´t do the job like he wants me to do it (My method was just 2x faster, but old ways are good ways).
@@tenminutetokyo2643 I've never understood how "seeking more money" is a bad thing. Isn't that what a career is? Unless someone wants to be a writer eating ramen noodles their whole life, it's probably money motivated.
I'm a boomer, (by age) and I approve of this message
We appreciate you gary
Covalent Bond jJAJAJAJJA
Meow
Nice
How are you still alive Gary? 😂
More meetings to increase productivity? This reminds me of "the beatings will continue until department morale improves!"
Scott Adams.
-Or supervisors who demand more frequent POA&M charts when a project falls behind.
Having meetings instead of working decreasing productivity
Happening at my husband’s company, too. Meetings all day some days. Gives middle management, who are inept and clueless, an excuse of “working on it” to their bosses. His company keeps cutting staff and wonders why they can’t get anything done. Istha mis tree 🤪
@@jessicah4462 eh middle management isn't usually the problem. They're just the mouthpiece for senior management.
When bosses micromanage they create problems that never existed to make themselves feel more important.
Which blows my mind because having employees you can just trust is a fking dream. Imagine having people who make your job easier ..just to intentionally make things more difficult
It's mind boggling...sometimes I even feel like the better i do my job the more they start to nag and micromanage me...WHY?!? I'm doing my job meticulously specifically so that you leave me the hell alone!!!
@@thisiswhathappenslarryexactly what I’m going through now. So f ing annoying.
I used to work at a company like this. We had 4 managers for every one developer. The company believe it or not decided that hiring more managers to manage the developers was the solution to us not being able to complete tasks on time. Eventually one of our genius managers decided that it was better to just get rid of all the US based devs. He ended up firing all of us except for 3 guys who would be responsible for bug fixes. The rest of the project was outsourced to India. When I asked him why he was firing us he said it was to hard to manage us because we had too many "rights".
By any tiny weeny teeny chance was this manager from the "outsourcing" *#**#cough** cough india cough ##* country?
@thomas samson i am sorry i do not understand this. Btw as an european i consider the most of the indians being the same race as europeans if that is what you are after.
haha. If managing local employees is too hard, wait until he manages a remote team of Indian workers. Besides, doesn't "too hard to manage us" equivalent to admitting the manager lacks management skills ?
Would be great to share a feedback how this company is doing today with their Indian devs. If top tech companies hire locally rather than outsource 100% of their engineers to India for $5/hour, there is a reason.
@thomas samson You realize that EVERY race had slaves and slave owners. Stop being such a disgusting racist.
@@jurybery You think the manager outsourced to India because he is Indian? No - they outsource because they want MORE MONEY.
"Sometimes he doesn't come in to the office for 2 entire weeks" ... as a programmer, I can tell you that's when he's in the deep-concentration mode required to be that productive. Forcing him to obey stupid pointless rules when he's obviously producing well, will destroy his productivity. If he is clearly productive, then he is best at 'managing himself' to maximize his own productivity.
Also even if he doesn't need it for productivity I can understand why he doesn't follow this rule. The manager even pointed out that he has no interaction with ANY person or object in the office. So his reason would be: "It's wrong because it's wrong." Maybe if you're talking to a kindergarten child this would work but any sane mentally healthy adult individual would question your rule and the reason behind it. Something can't be wrong or right without a reason. If you have no reason for a specific rule, there's no point of obeying it to begin with.
My favorite is forcing devs to sit in open offices where distractions are limitless. If you can't deep dive code for 16 hours every day, fails are likely.
@Johannes Terzis Maybe this virus will open up the mind of the average office-joe and most people will realise how dumb it is to not work from home when you work in a job where it's easily possible to do so. It's just corporate nonsense.
A group of 20 and mostly managers already sounds like a recipe for disaster for any project whether it's software related or not. With that many managers any person will be distracted with status updates when making their way to the bathroom. If anything could be accomplished it'd be a miracle.
For real. I get my best work done at home with no distractions. Even if I'm not being bothered by anyone having people around still affects your ability to focus.
"Boomer is a mindset, not an age"
I LOVE THAT!
20 managers and 1 dev...
Dude don't get trolled
I was thinking maybe it was a project that requires also other types of expertise, like design, so for that reason it wouldn't be necessary a team of developers. Though saying there are mostly managers on the team is quite unusual...
I agree it looks like a troll post ...but you never know some people really are that dense.
you still watched the video regardless of whether he got trolled or not
I think UA-camrs make the posts themselves to have interesting content.
There are still lots of managers out there who are genuinely like that though.
If he's doing so well, why do they care how often he is in. What a clusterfuck of managers grappling for control.
Because they are not getting work done, Google is bringing people back as well, they can see what you are doing with the Company laptop.
@@machinestats459 lol that's ridiculous, most people get more work done from home than they ever did at the office.
I had a boomer boss once get mad at me for trying to calm down an angry co-worker by saying "there is crap here that bothers me as well, but I try to just get along". Like how dare I suggest this minimum wage job isn't perfect.
I'm a scrum master. It's true, we do mostly nothing...except sit around figuring out what to do with our time. Meetings are usually a great answer because "having conversations" makes it look you're doing something.
ah yes, the forced "agile". I loved those meetings. my team lead had a talk with me about sleeping on those meetings tho. shame, I was so refreshed for the rest of the day too.
Currently working as a software person, I know perfectly well how useless a scrum master can be - so how would one go about becoming one?
Doing nothing most of the time at a management pay grade sounds like a pretty sweet deal. 😬
Weird. All the scrum masters i worked for were in the trenches with the rest of us. Delegating tasks, breaking up fights, straightening out the difficult developers. They were very busy and working lots of unpaid overtime (cuz salary).
Sounds like I got the rare ones.
These managers are literally everywhere. These guys would rather u follow stupid rules that contradict your work, than actually let common sense work. These middle managers are sad people that crave any authority.
You'd think people in a management position got there because they have some kind of actual skill in a being a leader, but most of the time it's just because they're good at kissing corporate posterior and bossing people around.
These are bad managers. The Company Handbook is a guide not a law book. If I was his manager I’d leave him alone. My job is to remove road blocks and use accountability when they violate rules that lead to liability or impact other employees. If there is no harm in what they are doing, I have other shit to do as a manager.
even worse at grocery stores and malls
@@Nightfighter82 Only if they were like Alex Becker.
They are so good they dont need to talk or last message in 6months.
So why cant they leave you alone all day
You... Just summed up all the other dickhead managers I have had
I remember being a teenager and looking forward to adults having respect for their job and employees.. little did I know 😅🙄
Little we knew in deed...
Ditto
@thomas samson holy crap
@@misterchief5378 Mr. Thomas Samson's real name is Thomas Malthus, apparently.
Joking aside he sounds like a Nazbol.
@thomas samson that is a terrible idea. 1st of, regulation of people's ability to reproduce is abhorrently immoral. what about just taxing 50% of all wealth above a very generous 20 million a year. that would solve almost all of these issues, and the rich still get to be ridiculously rich.
I've been a developer for a long time and something that I've learned is that management constantly tries to justify their existence. Often times their only reason for doing something is to make it look like they are doing something. I've also been a manager and those above me would get on my case for NOT messing with my good workers. I'm like hey they are top performers and doing a good job I want to leave them alone. Sometimes the manager doesn't even want to mess with the employees but they have someone above leaning on them to do so.
Also forget about raises, that went away when Sox was passed into law (Sarbanes Oxley). You either move into a new job and negotiate salary on the new job or move to a new company entirely. Generally speaking you shouldn't stay at the same company more than 3 years if you want high pay.
Call me a boomer, but how did Sarbanes Oxley affect getting raises? This sounds like something my business classes should've taught me
Being left the hell alone is one of my top 5 motivators for being a good performer.
When I start a new gig. I like to establish a rapport and reputation for being a solid worker so that as I get settled in, I can do my work in peace.
@@Whodjathink equity and performance related compensation came under higher scrutiny due to management manipulation in the C-Suite of officers.
Dodd-Frank and SOX didn’t exactly limit it but it did make it a point of high focus for auditors (which is my field).
Inflated financials from account manipulation is a classic move from less-than savory managers as their compensation was more often directly based on the financial performance.
@@lifotheparty6195 but wait, that'd be the case for the CEOs and other top level managers but I'm having a hard time seeing how it trickles down. Unless it's because they know the numbers are fake that they can't actually give someone a raise without lowering projected profits is what you mean
@LTNetjak I don't know of many companies that have that many workers but yeah, you're not wrong. There's also the fact that most Top level execs don't really get the million dollar salaries people think they do, but stock options and shares which get counted as their income.
Now that second paragraph, now I get it a bit better. Though from the initial comment it seems like it doesn't affect raises per se but affects how they're written on the accounts.
making people show up to an "office" is about control. It is designed to drain your time and energy and so they can observe you because they want to own you, not pay for your services.
And you wonder why so many people want workers back in the office so fast.
💯
As someone who spends like 2.5 hours commute time DAILY.... I can't think of a stupider thing than forcing someone to come in for NO REAL REASON.
Absolutely true.
@@OffGridInvestor you know what i like, driving an hour and 10 minutes to work only to find out there was no work available and told to go home. we can text non relevant crap all the time but cant send a text telling me my truck is in the shop, not to come in. love it
I have a friend who had a company with interns only. So he had this little office with him and a bunch interns sitting around one big table and nobody was allowed to wear headphones.
your friend is an idiot
I am glad he 'had' a company.
He created panopticum in his office.)))
@@cloud15487 Well yeah.… the odd thing is that he can't work under a boss. That's the main driver he started his own company. At the same time he's probably much worse than any boss he worked under.
it'd be cool if one day he started passing out character sheets and opened up Dungeons & Dragons: 3rd Edition
I’m GenX. Boomer bosses were a pain in my ass for the first 15 years of my career. Thank god they’re retiring now.
Now I have to keep my fellow X’ers from becoming Boomers 2.0.
I feel your pain, my GenX brother!
I had a boss who was a Gen X’er but was identical to a boomer in virtually every way. He was such an asshole.
Its inevitable that your fellow X'ers will become Banagers (boomer managers), as will the generation that succeeds them and the generation that succeeds them. Once you become a manager, your perspective changes entirely. You no longer see things from the individual employee's side. Suddenly you see everything through the lens of management (and your own personal financial interest which is intertwined with management's). I, for one, will never go back to being a manager. Just give me my assignment, keep the corporate culture events and all that other mandatory HR equity bullshit to the minimum, stay out of my way and I'll give you the best content for the paltry wage you're paying me.
Some are retiring, a number orange though, why? Because they’re addicted to power and love telling people what to do as well as having people do shit for them.
@@Kjf2691 I was raised by boomers. Can confirm, they hate actual work and love telling everyone what to do.
I literally ranted to my wife for 30 mins because my father-in-law is having his screen monitored during his whole shift. This is bull shit, he is almost 60 and this is only happening because he works from home. I am so pissed for him, and it brought back "ptsd" from my 6 years working retail. I ended the convo by stating, if you can't trust me, don't hire me...I'm an adult and you should trust that I am working when I say that I am. Boomer's need to get a clue and it just makes me angry. Thank you for this video. I will state that I work a job without micromanagement and it is such a dream. My wife just got a job without micromanagement and she is seeing what life should be like. Great video.
Boomers have no idea. They ruined history with "the noble savage". They ruined the economy with endless free trade and they dissolved the nuclear family. If the greatest generation just beat these little fucking hippies up when they had the chance soo many problems wouldnt be here.
@@JBS2018 I think isnt refering to free trade of goods, but free trade of labor. Outsource homeprodoction to china because they have cheaper laborforce and bad law, employing Coders from Idia with workvisa, you can threten them with in an argument about theire salary.
@@JBS2018 no. No It doesn't. Go to any Midwestern town or any old factory town and see what NAFTA and greater free trade has made.
You people need to stop confusing free trade with crony capitalism (globalism). Only big corporations can outsource in practice because they have big legal departments. In free trade, anyone could do that and also sell to any country, so in free trade companies from all over the world could sell goods to the USA. A company in USA paying USA taxes and fixed costs would not be able to compete with a company in a tax heaven outsourcing to the third world. It is like crypto currency versus fiat currency: no matter how small you are, you can be a bank and a speculative investor with the first one, that is free trade, but you can only do that in the second one if you are big, that is crony capitalism (globalism).
Yes I hate micromanager types.
7:56 I went through this too, when we moved to working from home, our manager wanted three stand ups a day to check in. Little had changed between them, it disrupted workflow and decreased morale as we would always report "still working on that same ticket" and it sounded like no progress was being made. Even though they're only 5-10 minutes, people are late, or start an off topic conversation. Nightmare. Bet it made him feel productive though, we'd get emails all the time about meetings changing time (even by 5 minutes) or being cancelled and rescheduled. Is that his entire job?
A Scrum Master is there to look out for you. It’s not command and control position and you have to put up with more bullshit than you realize.
If you’re not savvy enough to navigate stakeholders & product owner, you don’t belong in the position.
And if you deny that many work at home Devs don’t sleep in and slow down what they do, when old Joshua has admitted to such, you’re not getting how this shit gets seen in how you act non-verbally. It’s obvious and you’re foolish if you think you’re fooling anyone
Yes. Managers are the idiot cops of the workforce
Before I quit I was brought into a meeting where I was told due to an accounting error, I was actually making more money for my role than I was supposed to be. They said they weren't going to change my pay but knowing I was actually supposed to be paid less to get verbally abused in my work from home call center job was icing on the cake when I quit with 2 days notice.
"We need to increase productivity. I know! We'll have three meetings a day that interrupt everyone's workflow and accomplish nothing except to tell my boss that I'm relevant to the company!"
You have been spying at my work.
sounds like a solid strategy... for the middle manager
Im a boomer boss but loved this! Totally agreed with it. The trouble is now there are so many managers paid to ask people what they are doing, then go and tell someone else... that person then tells someone else. This means the people actually doing the work spend their lives giving updates and not being productive, just to keep everyone’s tracker up to date giving the illusion of productivity.
Being a manager has become a meme.
Glad you qualified Boomer as a mindset not an age. The best boss I've ever had was a Boomer (age). The worst was too, so...
Reminds me of when I worked in-office.
- Completed my tasks very quicly.
- Made it known I need more work.
- Tired of sitting with nothing to do for 5+ hours a day.
- I get up from my desk for 20 minutes.
- I'm told my middle manager that my job is to "be at my desk".
🤡🤡
"x person is doing awesome, but i dont like how he's doing it, how do i take him down a notch because im horribly out of touch with basic concepts of management?"
We have a manager of the year. To save company money and motivate his workers to work more for free, he provides his wife. Put the man in an upper management!
I laughed so hard at this 😂😂😂
هاهاهاهاهاهاهاهاهاهاهااااااا 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
is she hot?
@@dixztube That's horrible. Is that actually true?
Work more for free... Um no.
I've quit jobs in less then 3 weeks when I've had a manager like that start getting in my face. I've worked remotely almost my entire career, I don't need to go into an office to do my job, so I don't. Someone contradicts that, then I find another position. It's easy to do when you have a sought after skill set. BTW, you wont' get a useful skill set from college, I had to learn it on my own after I got my engineering degree, which I've never used.
Yes same thing happened with me, strange thing is not using your degree for improved salary or recognition, family thinks I have wasted my time in school.
What kind of skill set do you have? ?. I want to know because I need to quit these customer service jobs that are killing me.
@@togowack I suspect if you had a dead end job they would think the same but ultimately if you are at least satisfied in what you do who cares what family or anyone else thinks but if your rolling in money i doubt they will care.
@@bluevan12 I have to wonder what kind of engineering degree zarroth has. In the last 7 months a lot has changed for me. Looks like family will for the most part give you the opposite of good advice... you are supposed to fail like them. Abandon these bosses and start your own business especially if you have an engineering degree you should have the thinking skills.
Only a True Scrum Master knows not to have any scrum meetings.
Make google meets every day that shows up on the calendars... with the express understanding that nobody actually goes, or only clicks the link to keep it open in the background.
My boss did this during telework. If we wanted, we could talk to him. Or just be muted, camera off, and audio off. But it satisfied his boss, who is a useless boomer middle manager.
"The greatest solutions come when I'm taking a break" Amen. Sometimes the best solution is to take a step back and get a fresh look.
That's not JUST software but fixing cars and mechanical projects.... I get solutions laying in bed or wandering aimlessly looking at my firewood piles on my farm.
I work in audit and if I had a dollar for every time I figure out some effed up financial situation while having a cigarette I’d have like 50 dollars. Which isn’t a lot but I’ve only been out of college for a year so I’d say it’s a solid sample size
Some thirty years ago, I was working on an IT contract for a beltway bandit IT consulting company just outside of Washington, DC. We had a back-end SQL developer who was an absolute genius. Unfortunately, like the stereotypical IT genius, he was completely unpresentatble to the client. While the rest of us went around in starched white shirts, polished shoes and quality suits, this guy wore shorts and sandals.....even in the winter months. He might bathe once a week and shaved even less frequently. Honestly, he looked like one of the cavemen from one of the old Geico commercials. So we just decided to put him in the back of the office, behind a wall. Kinda like the character "Richmond" from the IT Crowd. He didn't care, we didn't mind and the client never knew, so problem solved. If the client wanted to speak with him, which was pretty rare, we told the client he worked out of an office that was out of town, but they could still speak to him over the phone. The way we saw it, our guy did quality work, so we were willing to make an exception for him. Now, the problem is, there seems to be this thinking in today's business world that an employer can't do anything special or unique for one employee without doing the same for ALL the employees. That's bullshit. There is already a difference in employee treatment based on salary, so why not in other areas as well? Whenever I hear the "what you do for one you have to do for all" bullshit, I know I'm dealing with lazy managers and ineffectual leaders. One other thing....that "the salary cap is set and there's nothing I can do about it" line is total bullshit. The manager is letting himself be mind-fucked into docile subservience by his or her fear of upper-management. Just because upper management says something isn't possible or allowed doesn't mean that it isn't. For management, this person is the IDEAL manager.....meaning to say, he or she is a coward. If this employee is a star contributor, the manager should be willing to fight for this person's increase. An effective employee, after all, makes the manager look good. Of course, today's managers are all gutless skinny-jean wearing soy-boys or EEOC equity hires, which means to say they're gutless pussies who are too afraid to fight for what's right for one of their employees for fear of upsetting Mommy or Daddy (i.e., upper management).
We had boomer professors, we learnt c coding in turbo c/c++ not python because they did it in turbo c in 1980.
That is common in my shitty country
Dang are u indian bro me too
Great, they did it the right way! You learn much more that way. Phyton is missing depth when you want to learn more about the basics and backgrounds of computer languages, what the machine does with your code and coding itself.
@@-Jakob- A programming 101 course is meant to give just a basic idea of the fundamental elements in a programming language. If they have to delve deeper and get a thorough understanding of what's happening under the hood then that part should be covered in a computer architecture course where they have to work at very low-level dealing directly in assembly language. Python is a reasonably good choice for a programming 101 course and whatever is being taught in C/C++ from a beginner's standpoint can also be taught in Python.
Be happy that you didn't do assembly.
Josh, thanks for defining your interpretation of boomer. I am 68 years old and I bristle at the term when boomers are criticized by young people. However, your definition is well explained and I take no offense. I really enjoy your channel and your videos are well done and you are highly engaging. I have been red pilled in the last two years about the nature of corporate culture and employees. My friends and family tell me stories about their workplaces and management. At first the horror stories seemed to be about a bad manager. The stories became more numerous and dysfunctional. Now I see we live in a world of corporate control, sociopathic CEO’s, and power hungry managers. Employees have little say in their fates. Hard work is frequently punished by managers that are afraid of moving highly productive people to new positions because those workers are difficult to replace. Some managers are intimidated by highly competent people working under them, viewing them as a threat. It is a shame many companies have created workplaces that are little more than indentured servitude.
probably it's more common with boomers simply because times have changed quite rapidly and indentured servitude has only worsened since the 50s (and with little evidence of anything but worse economic conditions ahead for the youth of today). not so much an age thing but a sign of the times.
Daily reminder that the best software products usually come from 1-3 person teams
I'm a boomer and even I know how bad boomer bosses can be. I've had more than a few!
I actually haven’t seen any reference to the ages of these managers Josh is talking about, most older managers wouldn’t ask an Internet forum for help, my guess is they are no older than 32/33 probably younger and not earn’t their position.
@ LOL! XD
Andrew Ryan I was looking for that comment lol
Ryan DB that is a good possibility
@ XDDDD LOL OMG THAT WAS SO FUNNY!!!!!!
Do you think this BS comes from people spending so much of their formative years in schools? Schools which are really over glorified baby sitting centers whose jobs is to store kids in those places while their parents work, and all of the lectures and work is just busywork to keep them busy. Do you think it comes from trapping young, developing minds in school or could it be something else?
I'm a teachers aide in an elementary school and I have the same thoughts sometimes. It's not really the teachers' faults. They are overworked and underpaid and are responsible for too many kids at a time. The younger teachers have more reformed teaching methods that are more appreciative of diversity and making your own path but our educational system is a bit archaic and political still.
@@lsour8546 yeah but the teachers are underpaid because their pay is literally based on the American dream. "Wow you own a home....wanna pay taxes on to help schools?" "Umm no I mean I already pay taxes on food *except in Ohio or other states* water, electricity, gas, when purchasing a car, when getting inspections or tags, drivers driver's license every 8 years or so, taxing when flying, taxed when owning pets, taxed if I get married *marriage license * tax when divorced, tax for having children *birth certificate *, taxed when children die * death certificate * , toll road tax, sales tax, income tax, city, state and federal tax, social security.....yeah that's a tax. There is almost nothing you do that isnt taxed. But housing taxes are the only one you can vote on.
I also think most jobs back then were much more simple, it was much more of the routine and physical tasks, which basically worked like more hours=more work done. Nowadays tons of routine work is done by machines so humans have problem-solving, creative, thinking jobs where you can't just put in more hours without productivity decreasing substantially. Additionally, most roles have a broad range of responsibilities and tasks, compared to, for example, a factory worker(I worked in a factory last year). You never really feel like you know your stuff which is why impostor syndrome is so common in software.
@ You sound extremely ignorant of what actually goes on in the classroom.
@@ninjal7588I agree. A lot of things are becoming much more automated. Creativity and problem-solving are still things that are more tricky or expensive to automate. We are needing more and more specialization and therefore more and more education. Now Covid has happened and we are going to have to adapt even more and take apart our systems like employment or education and put them together again in a new way.
Whenever I feel tired about working in my current company, I always watch your video and I'm glad my company still look at us employee as actual human
I work for boomer bosses they pride themselves on being absolutes drones I swear to god.
I’m literally leaving a company as we speak EXACTLY because of this. Not only are we expected to come in 3 days a weeks, the entire office is based on hotdesking. So we never have our own desks, which means that when it gets busy, fuck you, you get to sit in the warehouse Or something. My job was fully remote until a boomer operational manager was hired and now we have to come in for no reason at all. 4 out of 6 staff in my department is about to leave. They’re gonna have a dark dark December.
If there is one thing that pisses me off its hot desking, Hot desking should be for those who only come in the office for meetings once in a blue moon. Even if your only working in the office 2 or 3 days a weeks you should have a desk or office area permanently assigned not the bullshit of finding any desk otherwise you might as well be at home.
@@bluevan12 Now imagine you're a 2nd line support engi on some custom satellite hardware and you have no single station where all the equipment would be laid out for any testing that needs doing. And one of the senior members of staff said, to my face, that I should just bring in all of my test equipment with me into the office every day. Beautiful.
Joshua's "manager" voice is so hilarious. I love your content man, please never stop making videos.
I've been binge-watching your content for days now. Literally, it's kinda crazy how much I can relate to you on a professional and personal level. Thank you for the excellent content josh, keep it up!
i had "performance issues" brought up by managers at one of my old jobs before, i had been telling them for months that i had to keep fixing things being done wrong by other people before i could properly complete my work. every time someone told them about the screw ups done by other departments, their response was along the lines of "thats just how they are" or "thats just what they do"
LinkedIn CEO: "I've been trying to get my employees to work 500hrs per week but they tell me that's not possible because there's only 168hrs per week. How do I make my modern economic slaves work my unrealistic expectations?"
I’m a boomer and I wish I had your videos when I was working. I think it would be accurate to describe the corporate culture as narcissistic. The boomers suffered as well.
sucks to be tarnished with a broad brush don't it (I'm technically a millennial but also recognize that these behaviours do not so easily fall into age brackets at all)
I just don´t understand the manager situation, why are all the companys hiring so many managers. As I started at my company we had 1 manager. Today this manager manges a manager and gets managed by a manager that has a manager. When I now ask something to my manager, he just states he has to ask the upper manager, after that I get never an answer.
Went through the same situation as the first case, ended up getting fired and suing the bastards for more money.
is that true
When you get fired it goes on your next job or how does that work
I live outside the US so I don't know if my legal situation would be the same for someone who gets fired there
@@WitchLuw it actually DOESN'T of you don't tell them. They DO ASK on some applications (not many) so say you quit for a family emergency or were offered a better job that didn't work out. Or moved for a girlfriend or something.
I am -- well, not young- but at my last job I had a boomer boss / owner - he was 37. I agree, it's a mindset, not an age.
Sidenote, but one of the downsides that often rears it's head in smaller companies where the culture is fostered heavily by the owner, is that they expect their employees at every level to dedicated their lives to their company, just like they did when they started it. But for a fraction of the pay or benefits and often little concern for work-life balance. It lends itself nicely to a very boomer mentality within the company. Much respect to entreprenuers, I generally agree they deserve to be compensated more if they are successful, but let's get real about expectations. If you own a company, you shouldn't expect the average employee to put in anywhere near the level of effort and care that you do beyond the 8 hours they contribute while on the clock.
Mostly managers means it has to be more then 10 managers on a 20 person team, WOW. how does that even work.
They want to get paid more, so they become a manager. When everybody does that, then nobody wants to be a regular employee.
Meetings all day
I've been in teams like this. Sometimes you even get asked to slow down your pace of work as you're making them look bad
more like 19 managers to 1 developer - my guess
Probably, the sad thing is the bigger the company, the more management or hats required. But it's a problem of a lack of competent people, who can handle this type of job.
First lesson: Only Clint Eastwood or Patrick Swayze can say, "My way or the highway" and command respect.
Kudos to Josh for continuing to call out BS like this and all the corporate cringe. Many managers can't stand the idea of looking out of their office and not seeing a kingdom of full cubicles. I currently have a medium sized org and they're all remote and they are much more productive than any open-office I have ever worked in. Thanks for what you do, Josh!
Scum Master: What you guys doing for the day?
Worker: Doing xyz
Scrum Master: Well...my work is done.
This reminds me of the time in my help desk job when they tried to make us do some BS spreadsheet organization stuff. Mind you, I'm part of the help desk. People call in to get help with their computers. So...I'm BUSY pretty much all day.
Then they got mad at me for not doing it. Because I'm busy doing my primary duty.
"Duh, i cant take credit for the guys hustle in my meetings if everyone knows hes a lone wolf. If I know im obsolete, how long before the boss knows Im obsolete? I dont know how to develope sh**."
Out of curiosity: What has traffic to your courses been like since you started putting them in videos compared to how it was before?
Interested as well
I would like to know that as well.
10 hundred million precent
"Not Allowed" & "Policy" are words that glorified secretaries aka "managers" use to cover their incompetency
7:47
That whole cheating thing was horrible. He shouldn't be trying to fire him. He should be calling the police on both of them. The gall of the worker to try to defend himself. He should leave in shame.
Man can't wait to become my own boss, so I can berate myself for being late, have me on the brink of quitting just give myself a raise.
My last employer was a millionaire boomer CEO who owns a finance company. I overhauled their website, their reporting and analytics, their IVR telecom system and created a mobile app so they can take payments. I estimate that the changes I implemented over the 5 years I was there brought them in over 750k from increased payments and collection strategies that I automated.
Our department is extremely understaffed and won't let us hire even a help desk person at $15/h yet they will regularly hire accountants, risk analyzers and sales managers. I'm a Software Engineer making 60k/y but because we are so short staffed I have to do help desk tickets as well as password resets and desktop issues on the weekends and late at night. I don't get paid for that extra time as I'm salary based. When I asked for a raise he would never give me or my coworkers one, yet all the sales teams and managers got regular bonuses. Not only that but he as well as other departments would blame us for everything and anything that went wrong in the company even if we weren't involved somehow technology or reporting was to blame. He would never consult us or get our side of the story he would just run with it.
Things came to a conflict When I got tested for the flu earlier this year I took 3 PTO days (out of my 10 available). My boss/owner calls me and tells me I'm destroying the company and costing him money because I'm not there, and cursed me out telling me I should resign and that when he is sick he comes in to work (I guess that's when he isn't at his mansion in the keys on during the workday or fishing all day during the work week). I told him if I'm so important to his multi-million dollar business why won't he allow us to expand our department? He couldn't answer the question and hung up on me. The following week when I returned to work I asked for an apology from him, not only is it illegal to harass a sick employee on a day off and violates labor laws. I didn't care about that, all I wanted was an apology for being cursed out and made to feel like a deadbeat because I have the flu and don't want to spread it to my coworkers. He couldn't apologize, he said he didn't owe me anything and that I'm toxic so I walked out and left.
Now I work a nice government job making triple of what I made before, and it's remote. I get treated with respect, I get bonuses and my efforts are appreciated. The owner of the company I now work for is a young female woman who is really kind, smart and cares about the morale of her employees. More importantly I enjoy coming in to work and my productivity is increased due to the lack of stress and positive environment. They gave me top of the line tech to do my work. Whereas my previous employer I had to beg to get a $200 ebay laptop expensed or extra RAM. Seems the younger generation of business owner know how to treat their employees and understand that their success is commensurate with the happiness and appreciation of their employees.
I still talk with my department manager at my previous employer, he's is miserable, still gets treated like garbage by the CEO. Still forced to work onsite despite COVID being rampant in the area and despite being a dev where all his work can be done remotely, and he is still being paid shit. I feel bad for the guy.
This makes me glad my manager was an engineer before becoming a manager. He knows how we work
I absolutely despise company men....
7:56 As a Scrum master wannabe. (working on that certification)
I can tell you scrum/agile on itself can be useful, but manager make it god awful to follow.
they hear agile and the first thing they think of are meetings.
you want to keep meetings to a minimum. 1 per day when possible.
and my interpretation of what a scrum master does, or at least what I've been doing is a roadblock remover.
not someone who sets useless meetings every single day.
What roadblocks do you usually remove?
Scrum master is just a fancy name for a project manager. First thing you can do is stop having useless meetings. The thing about meetings is, if you can put it in an email/message then you don't need a meeting as you waste valuable time not only yourself but the ENTIRE dev team, just think 20 devs sitting in an hour meeting, that's 20 hours of productivity lost. Majority of the time you'd only need 1 meeting a week and have the devs and technical team lead sort the minutiae out themselves. Trust people to do their jobs and have targets with accountability, doesn't matter how they get there rather that they reach the target. If people are left to solve problems rather than sit hours, you'd find that people will invent smart solutions to problems to solve them at a quicker pace, so they can slack off even for an extra hour a day, but this won't matter because you gave them a target and if done why would it matter if they slack an hour off extra since the work you hired them for is done? There is a reason dev teams in the Netherlands are so productive( fyi they work less than 40 hours a week btw), because they are paid to do work and not sit hours.
I think scrum is a process trying to solve a problem that isn't a process problem. I used to work in a company that was honestly trying its best to apply scrum. Lots of the meetings didn't have any output but did waste our time. People were struggling to follow the method because scrum doesn't make people magically coordinate, it doesn't help. Updating all these tickets at every stage was wasting our time, actual flow didn't follow ticket flow (features were tested during development, deployed on beta before merge because of testing requirements, developers would be working on multiple tickets instead of one because of external breaks, etc.). Marketing / business people would do their best to circumvent scrum masters and negotiate features with devs because they didn't want to speak with useless middleman.
There were about 5 teams of 4-8 developers at my old job. Because of special circumstances, my team (4 devs, 1 manager) was able to work using plain kanban rather than scrum. We outperformed all other teams and met all our deadlines. Simply because we could focus on our work and organize ourselves in a way that matched our team and tasks. Even our manager was useful because as he wasn't focusing on the process, he was available to solve all non dev problems (missing resources, missing / bad specifications, missing information, etc.). We would still do 1 "spring retrospective" every 1 or 2 months to make the manager happy though.
@kingofallcrypto
The first half of your comment.. You basically described the place I work at, except I have 2 standups minimum and even more meetings if requested by the business
@@Headcrabman9999 most of the times is someone is falling behind on somethings that is holding up someone else.
ie. one of my devs is waiting for a file from a vendor.
if possible I ask (never force) my dev to work in something else.
if not possible i wish him a good rest of the day and "let" him go
(I say let, because he is working from home and he is responsible for his own time)
I have to go to the vendor and check why we don't have the file yet.
one time the vendor was waiting on something else from us. get it delivered.
some other times
a bug is hard for my dev to figure it out.
if I can I help (not a very good developer myself)
it not and this is critical I get someone to help us have it resolved ASAP.
stuff like that.
you could say I try to make everyone's life at work easier.
Josh, your boomer voice is the reason why I'm watching these, it's hilarious🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤
This is legendary content. As a boss what I can tell you is that this content is gold, abide by it
and enjoy happy workplace.
This says it all, "Does this X% apply to your CEO's total compensation? I'd wager it doesn't."
BOOM! 🎤 drop.
4:15 - I'm also not happy about my salary, I only got a very small raise last year that only covers inflation. Instead of beeing more productive to show them that I'm worth it, I do less because I don't see the point in working more.
The second one is great, I wish more people would do that. They demand 25% productivity increase but only pay you a 3% raise? Give them 3%.
The first one is kind of a douchebag. The worker ought to at least give them a courtesy of “I’m gonna be remote” today.
i keep a steady pace from day 1. i arrive at 8a and leave by 5p. im only gonna work within office hours. and any work outside those hours will get done the next day. any meetings, work activities, etc. come out of employer time.
You can be sure they ask where he is at, every 10 minutes. They know where he's at. Imagine being in an office with 19 other managers while you're the only dev. They don't get that courtesy lmao.
@@JoshuaFluke1 yeah i used to have this problem at last job where the project managers were a real old school boys club that thought they were too good to do any real work. they would boss around the workers like me, go to client meeting, fancy corporate events, etc. basically they would overcompensate for lack of education or any technical skills.
Phantom Warrior that’s what business schools for a place for the idiots to make themselves seem important
3% is just about a COLA increase why would you expect 3% more work does the manger not even know what a salaried role is
"How should I deal with an employee who has slept with my wife?"
S to the I to the M to the P.
Someone should've replied "you upload it to pornhub"....
Workplace culture. ,😭
At an old job, the company had invested in an automated workflow distribution system, so that everything would be online. One boomer underwriter kept trying to force various assistants to print out many of the 50-100 page documents the underwriters had to review. I stood my ground, and she complained to the head underwriter, whom she thought was a fellow boomer (he was a good 10 years older than she was.) Their argument could be heard across the office; he told her, "The Company paid a lot of money for this system and that is what you will use!" She responded, "Well, I'm just a stickler for having a piece of paper, so where does that leave us?" He said, "It means that either you get 'unstickled' or get a new job!!" She used the new system from that day forward.
HR: you need to take a break every 30 minutes
managers: you can't take a 1 minute break for 4 hours straight. Or 6 if I asked you to work overtime.
???
One time I overheard the manager ''department'' try to come up with an excuse to not raise a person's desk. She was complaining about not being comfortable. They decided to just tell her that she's not sitting properly. So 4 hours straight no break, sit in one single position. Yeah that sounds healthy, physically and mentally... /sarcasm
try call centres
@@STScott-qo4pw I'd rather not
@@llVIU it was sarcasm
The reason they are mad at him for not going to the office is that they want the same. If they are not having it no one else should have it no matter how good the guy is.
Remember: no matter how good of a dev you are or how much more valuable of an asset you are to your company than these supervisor boomers, they get paid way more than you (on average anyway)
Justification of scrum masters: I think it's not the case at every company, but in large corporate environments it can be really difficult to manage people's expectations. Given a team where you may have 5-10 other teams who are stakeholders in the work you're doing (i.e., they rely on the software you're building), they're all going to be wanting things from you generally as soon as you're able to provide them. Often I find the a lead engineer is responsible for managing the expectations of stakeholders, but they do this in conjunction with the scrum master because the lead is not necessary for every conversation. I have had a few great scrum masters (or agile coaches is another term for the same role) that were basically like bodyguards, saying things like "Aaron can't answer that right now but we can have a chat about your requirements, discuss timing, reprioritize different work, etc." So in a sense the scrum master is like the shield for the team. If they're not behaving this way, then more than likely end up micro managing engineering process within the team. Bear in mind the things I'm describing can be done by PMs, Product Managers, Eng Managers, etc. But if your PdM is already consumed working with other PdMs and people from the business, having a scrum master or coach can be great.
Funny. I’m a “boomer” and I agree with you. 😉 I’ve never agreed with rules for the sake of rules. And I despise the “we’ve always done it this way...” attitude. If the worker is outperforming everyone then let him do his thing as long as he’s not interfering with others. Geez you boomers. Get a clue.
I appreciate your amazing work on corporate bs.
5 boomer bosses disliked the video
Loving this new series. Can't wait for the next one, keep it up Josh ✌
Wait a minute, did these people get good advice from the internet?
Is that what I just saw?
Same reaction 😲
Then you do have experience IN LIFE with conflicts resolution, however, you can never be a manager because "I don't see any experiences in you résumé"..
I think those called senior manager have some years of experience drinking tea and coffee and sitting on a desktop only, that's considered years of experience and gets you multimillion $$$$$ 😧
the deeper you dig into these stories, the funnier they get. 20 people, mostly managers? Jeez, no wonder he prefers to stay home.
My supervisor is a boomer by age and ideology. He just took me completely off telework (3 days a week) although NONE of my job functions were compromised at all. Actually, I was able to get more work done at home if you can believe that. His reason...and I quote, "If I have to be here at work, than so do you." Ain't that about a bitch? Damn, I can't wait till my side-hustle becomes my main hustle. Sick of being an employee.
I'm sick of it too. Saving all my cash flow. So that I will one day feel comfortable telling people NO and watching what happens like I'm watching a movie. 🍿 Cause my job won't be needed...it will be just what I do for entertainment. LOL!!🤣
As person that has filled many roles, including being a ScrumMaster. I have to say more meeting is a terrible idea. The Job of a ScrumMaster is to prevent the needless meeting, Remove Blocker, Make sure you devs have all the resources and tools to get the job done. And when product owners not "project managers" and putting pressure on the team it is ScrumMaster's job to protect the devs, go to bat and push back. Any issue with Velocity should be addressed as a team during the retrospective. And to boot, it sounds like the "project manager" does not take into account any changes to the team will likely decrease the overall velocity at first. After two sprints and not going up then, it would be time to address major changes... Last, any ScrumMaster that wants to add more meetings to a sprint is very bad at their job and should look for another role that would better suit their skill set.
Well said
Josh, how do you feel about Jocko Willink and the "extreme ownership" principles? To me he presents more pragmatic approaches to dealing with these problems. What you decide to DO about horrible bosses and employers is most important.
Jocko is dope.
Jocko is on target about lots, including managing and leading.
25 manager : 1 dev, sounds a good company to me. lmao
Holy crap that last example reminded me of my former boomer boss so hard. Her flavor of micromanaging was interpreting the shitty Teams status light literally and then accusing me of not working when it was yellow/away, not considering that maybe I was on mobile because my laptop was dysfunctional and that the light would turn yellow any time I locked my phone.
"How should I deal with an employee who has slept with my wife" LULULULULUL
Someone should've replied "you upload it to pornhub".
I was just a guest to a retrospective for a CSM. I did a mentoring on how to communicate with management to get where you need to be. If you think the ability to move ahead is just getting job done, you’re a fool. The communication & relationship skills of being a successful consultant is the same & dealing with management.
“Boomer” mindset is something you’re totally missing. It’s a foolish term and if you think thing’s aren’t questioned at work...that’s ignorant.
I’m a PMP and a CSM - I guarantee I can get more productivity out of each team without micro managing. I’ve gotten my team raises. And that’s because I know how to navigate office politics - and you need to learn how important that is and ALWAYS will be.
Office politics is just power plays. If you view everything within the corporation as such you will do fine as no 1 knowing they are being screwed would allow it. Also not everyone has the capacity to be great with interpersonal skills and communication, but yes you can improve said skills but only to a point. Sure you can get more "productivity" out of a team but for how long? Have you ever heard of burnout? Dev teams are like car engines, many moving parts that need servicing and if run at too high RPM for too long it seizes. This is why when you run a engine you run it generally at a lower more manageable rpm. It has been proven that a teams happiness/morale is directly correlated to performance and people get very unhappy having to work at a high pace over a long period.
greatest solutions come while sitting on toilette
I just needed to hear it. Thanks Peters baby
We had a manager that scheduled meetings on a continuous basis in order to avoid any day to day conflict or actual work since they’re constantly in meetings.
The hourly wage is the greatest crime against humanity at large ever perpetrated.
7:20 the policy CAN BE NEGOTIATED. I asked about going permanent at a place. "You'll have to wait at least 6 months and get headquarters to approve". 3 weeks later I come in to say I was leaving. WOW..... "we can sign you up permanent in A WEEK AND A HALF, exceptions CAN BE made! I can get the big boss on the phone THIS AFTERNOON...". I just said "too late now". He's been a good reference though.
Yooo I'm the creator of the 1st question of this video just wanna explain some stuff:
-I'm not a manager, I put this question from my managers perspective cause I was really salty they didn't want me to work from home (sorry)
-I was working for a company that subcontracts other devs, so their client was super happy with me, but my direct boss had mixed feelings cause I wasn't following dumb policy, despite great results. My interaction was with only people from the US and India. No real reason for me to go on person, knew I had the leverage of their happy client and abused it.
-The reason I was top dev and only dev from office was because the rest of the devs where from India/US, I was the only one from Mexico.
-I received 2 salary increments on 1 year and became team lead because of my performance.
-The reason I didn't want to go to the office, was because India devs started working at my 10pm, and I felt I couldn't be a good lead if I couldn't do the same shift as them.
-The client ended up leaving, and replaced all 20 managers with managers from India, I got paranoid and eventually left as well.
Great review and video Josh, been enjoying your work for 2 years now.
best of luck!
7:56 There is NO ROLE for a project manager in or on, or near a scrum team. The Scrum "Master" is supposed to encourage the team to manage themselves. This bullshit about having more stand-ups is about micromanagement. It is about increasing the psychological pressure on devs in the hope they will do more work - whilst actually taking time they could use to do real work. It would be better if they stopped pretending to do scrum and just plain out, honestly micromanage the devs.
My experience working at a large corporation is too many managers, without enough work to do, making ridiculous rules that slow down productivity.
I am just a junior dev but I can really relate to getting the best ideas while away from computer.
For me, the shower is always the best place to find a solution to a problem I was stuck on. Go figure!
If anybody is going to make me finally switch to UA-cam Premium, it's Josh lol
I gave a month's notice to a job and instead they asked me to leave right away and paid me in advance for the month. Sound crazy? It's true. They were that desperate to get rid of me. I have no idea how HR got that past payroll but go figure!
That is actually standard procedure.
Aha one of them is a great meme guys