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After working for 15 years i can also add that "As long as my boss pretends to pay me well ill pretend to be working hard."
Dude i relate to this
That is a good one!! Iβm gonna steal this lol! Iβll tell that to my manager! π€£π€£π³
Reminds me of a quote a coworker said to our boss when we were really young at our first minimum wage job.
The boss told him that he needed to work harder. My coworker said "minimum wage. Minimum effort."
In the USSR the saying was they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work
Soviet Union.
I'm an employer. I've found that my employees are significantly more productive when they trust me and feel valued. They are people....
Thats the thing, there are obvious reasons why this is bad for worker's efficiency and the company's profit. These CEOs know that. Its not about profit it is about POWER and CONTROL.
I'm a welder, when i felt that employer treats me like an expendable asset i stopped giving fucks about work
Clearly youβre not thinking on their level and treating them like slaves!
once you start going up into larger businesses, that falls apart. mainly because of how "tall" the hierarchy is. competition gets stiffer, politics are expected and there's always someone above you that you have to justify yourself to. it's how shit like "key performance indexes" come about. they take all the factors that go into gauging productivity and boil it down to one number. if your number is bigger than your peers, you "win".
so guess what happens when you have a bunch of insecure phonies in the workplace? they start looking for ways they can "win" without having to actually be more effective at their job than others. they're not going to bring up how you have to make less changes, your customers are happier, you spend less time coming up with solutions, or are overall more effective than them. they're going to be bringing up how they spend more time working, how you're on netflix half of the workday, how they type more or click more. mechanical stuff. because that's the only place they can beat you.
when there's insecure phonies at every level of an organization, that's when this mechanical based "kpi" thing becomes the standard. because that's the only way they can get higher salary/promotions/survival. they can't out-perform a good employee. but they can out-click, out-type and out-sit them. so guess what "kpi" is going to be set for you?
Wish more felt that way. But, middle managers with no idea about how to run a team feel the need to be "doing something," which inevitably leads to "managing" their people. This monitoring and tracking is killing employees' health, leading to burnout, depression, and other serious mental health issues.
They are measuring their performance with keystrokes and mouse movements?
This is seriously dumb
Some managers are so dumb that they can't begin to understand what their employees are working on, This makes them think it's easy. If they think mouse movements and keystrokes are the measure of productivity they should supervise typists or data entry staff.
Yeah you can do nothing all day, then open up Word and start pressing random keys and flinging your mouse around and you will soon exceed your performance quota.
Only middle management can come up with such dumb ideas.
@@BillClinton228 that's what will break the neck of many good employees.
the good ones try to keep up with the pace. try to get shit done, while the workload continuously increases, because the leeches have created an bot typing random words and moving the mouse
And with watching your emails. And your phone calls.
"Gaming" --> win
A friend of mine had a great joke: At an interview when they ask what your former boss would say about you just turn and ask them, what would your former employees say about you?
Then what happeend to your friend, was she selected?
@@BigBrother4Life They are a stand up comic so it was literally a joke they wrote and performed; that is their job so they dont have to deal with this shit anyway lol
@@matthewsommerville88 Not a bad question actually :)
Love it. LOL!
That can actually be a very legit question to ask the interviewer. It's obviously quite risky but, hey, if they don't like it you probably dodged a bullet anyway.
When quarantine started, my boss wanted me to stream my desktop to her the entire workday. I did it for one day and she constantly made unhelpful comments. I refused to do it again after that. Last week they forced me to do it again and this HR guy watched me and would question "I noticed you weren't really doing much for about 5 minutes there, what happened?" like dude, I needed a few minutes to organize my thoughts and untangle this terrible write-up you guys gave me. I ended up getting fired a couple of days ago because I wasn't willing to play ball.
Sorry to hear that I donβt blame you
Quarantine exposed the true colors of a lot of bosses. You might've dodged a bullet there
HR forgot about the 'human' part
Please tell the name of the company and the field, so other people can stay away.
Not alone. And that's not someone you ever want to work for in the long-term
This is a perfect example of how corporate culture is struggling with Old Order thinking in an era of new order technology and workflow.
The good ol boys club
New profiting from the old, sell them a bunch of tools they don't understand so they can destroy themselves faster
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@@ilikerunning580 yeah, in the alternatives to capitalism you get more reliable technologies for that such as the KGB and the STASI. A new model has been implemented recently in Seattle.
"if you have nothing to hide, i should be able to look at what you're doing"
no.
I have nothing to hide so you have no reason to look.
I love it when the company I work for invests in technology that helps them find excuses to not pay me, instead of investing in me.
More and more people will have to become 1 man companies, investing in themselves from their own resources and taking their own careers in hand on an ongoing basis over their entire working lives.
No programmer needs any more training they all should just intuitively know how to use the latest programming language so let's spend the money on training and development on tracking software and yachts and jets.
@@kisstune I really don't have a problem with them buying yachts and jets because it's their money. Not that we're talking about organizations with that level of money, but you know what I mean. I just have a problem with idiots who think their business is going to grow by spending on torturing their employees with technology that encourages them to manipulate useless metrics instead of working.
@@totorofosho I don't really care what they do with their money I just say more power to them but I do object when they buy tracking software insteadconventional. Read invest in employees so they get better at their jobs. They could use the money wasted on tracking software to improve morale jets yachts or conventiond. I'm just ranting about how much I hate those programs sorry I wasn't clear about that.
I love your username.
6:34 That's called 'coercion'. In the bedroom that's rape, but at your job its just business!
holy crap your right i didnt realize the first time i heard it
I had a glass window behind me which my boss could always look over to see what I was doing .... It's anxiety inducing to work in a place where you aren't allowed to breath without someone seeing it.
It really is.
In the modern open office, I've always tried to get a place where my back is to the wall. I absolutely hate sitting in a spot where everyone can see what I'm doing.
Just add a poster with some bs work motivational quote on it. If he questions it, just say that having that poster in that exact spot is really helpful for your work ethic.
I also had a glass window behind me which I knew the boss used to look at my screen. One day he was gone for the day, so I sat in his chair and looked at my screen in the window and realized if I dimmed the brightness just enough on the monitor then it wiould no longer appear in the window reflection. The next day he came to work and mentioned my screen brightness. I said "Yeah, it was straining on my eyes, so I turned it down. " He never mentioned or saw my screen again, and had no idea I knew his secret.
I had the same thing at a company I worked at. The bosses offices were all at the back of the office so they walked by everyone's windows going to the kitchen or meeting rooms. We got a group talking to for to many people "playing video games" during work.... We were a game development team.....
@@nicholaslogan5185 lmfao
The issues here are twofold:
1. They are transforming you, a person, into a number. None of these softwares will ever be able to actually capture your true value. Even if you dawdle all day, if you saved that deal with a client that pays 20% of the company's revenue, this software won't record it as such. Note that this is what managers are there to do: all they do is numbers report. They don't even know what these numbers mean, they just make them look pretty.
2. The ultimate argument against "If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't worry" isn't that it's wrong (it is). It is that getting constantly spied on will never result in using the data IN YOUR FAVOR. EVER! If you are a straight arrow citizen and help an elderly lady home with her groceries and she just so happens to live close to the hookers in the neighbourhood, the tracking software will never make that distinction nor will it ever be interpreted as anything other than you went to visit hookers. That's the problem! All this does is incriminate, it doesn't exonerate.
Please use this argument in the future ffs.
Publish the managerβs stats using the same software. Unless they have something to hide.
... and that's the whole point, to incriminate you into something, anything. Bosses who trust their employees and have a good relationship with them will never use this software. This software is for paranoid control freaks who are constantly on the lookout for an excuse to give out warnings and fire people. This software does not constitute "working in good faith" by definition.
I've also noticed this in alot of interviews especially in the tech industry. People are constantly looking for reasons to disqualify you as a candidate, and they focus more on the experience you dont have than the experience YOU DO have. For example, you might be a programmer with alot of experience in several programming languages that the company uses, but if you havent worked with a framework they use, then you are considered to be unqualified for the position. Wait a minute, so you are telling me that a senior developer with over 10 years experience in different fields and languages can't learn a simple framework????
"They don't even know what these numbers mean, they just make them look pretty."
I deal with this constantly at my warehouse job. We get new managers in there all the time that will flood the shit out of my department thinking more work will get done. Problem is the department has a set capacity at how much we can fit in it and process at a time, and every time they flood us, we end up with late or incomplete trucks because we aren't able to organize and process all of what they're sending us in one huge chunk. Then they want to come down and argue with people who have been working there for a year or longer. All they're seeing is the stuff getting scanned in. They aren't paying attention to anything else we have to do to it before it gets to the truck.
The guy around 8:40 is so right. BURNOUT is a huge side effect of these systems. This is what happens when you are treated as a thing and not a person. Source: first hand experience
"If I can't look over your shoulder and micro-manage everything you do, how will you know that I'm the boss? It's like if we based everything on performance, everyone would see I contribute nothing!"
Management being hungry for monitoring is just a sign of inconfidence and distrust. Such a company is bound to fail eventually
Not necessarily. They can just burn through hordes of people endlessly or until they realise something is not right in there. A company I worked for has been continually relentlessly hiring for 3 years. In my 2 years there, half of the people I knew decided to quit. This is the badly managed profit-at-any-cost machine.
Also of managerial incompetence. They legit don't understand WHAT their employees do....
But they better be doing something!! π€£ππ»
The are betting on the psychological effect that you'll work harder when you think they are watching you and you see how much harder your co workers work.
Completely agree. It's also kind of a personality projection, a recognition of their own untrustworthiness.
"They know we're always watching, which is always good." That's the most "Big Brother" answer I've ever heard lmao
When the pandemic started, my boss made me the one in charge of tracking the other employees. Nothing I did was enough info for him and it soon became a full time job on its own. I wasn't able to keep up on my own duties besides tracking. Then I was fired for "poor performance" after I said it would be unethical and refused to put spyware on my coworkers computers without their knowledge.
Did you file with a lawyer, sound like retaliation and conspiracy?
Here's how I'd run a business. I hire you to do a thing. If you do the thing, I pay you.
Here's how I manage the people under me: If I am happy with your performance for the you do the thing, I tell you.
that's called being a general contractor I believe. Hiring independent contractors. I personally would be of the mindset that I pay you what it's worth to me to have you work for me, If you do the things I ask with in reason then you don't get fired, if you exceed expectations, or show you are worth more than I was initially aware of then you get a raise to whatever your new worth to the company is. It isn't difficult and I don't get why some people allow themselves to get corrupted chasing a dollar sign. At the end of the day money isn't worth anything if you don't have a purpose for it
If i was monitored with such a tool, i would probably code something to do tasks, that increases my "Prodoscore".
except you wouldn't cos if they're going to monitor you like that you can sure as hell bet your ass your machine is so locked down you can't run anything thats not sanctioned......sad but true.
@@stuontwo677 A,lso, they might be monitoring the files that you are working on.
At my work this is close to what's happening. Instead of focusing on providing value, we instead feed a machine to increase the numbers on our various dashboards. We've become masters of doing the exact same work but maximizing our stats through filler and other bullshit. Management is putting the cart before the horse here but.. if it's what they want then we'll give it to them.
Government funding for scientists (Czech here) tends to be locked by absurd paperwork of this "scoring" type. Needless to say, the scientists tend to be quite smart, so the computational chemists wrote a "paperwork bot" to feed the paperwork with credible-enough bullshit so they can do what they should and want to do - the actual scientific work.
@@stuontwo677 if a software developer can't find a solution to such a technical problem, then they probably aren't very good at there job anyway. This isn't magic, just more buggy software taking advantage of a manager class unwittingly putting themselves in position to be replaced.
Good luck, guys. This level of tracking will turn off people who are results-based the most.
Those are the people who are the most likely to update their LinkedIn, put out resumes/cover letters, and take interviews during lunch. After all, they're the people who know how to track and complete tasks and produce concrete results.
To put it succinctly as possible, this is a sure-fire way to ensure talent flight and leave yourself with the bottom of your existing workforce.
Hereβs whatβs really crazy. Anyone whoβs worked for a big company knows that the top performers often do way more than their share of the work, including constantly helping other people in the company. If your new fancy tool keeps the low performing workers in the line but cost you the high performers, your business will fail in the long run (or at least your labor costs will go way up).
"this is a sure-fire way to ensure talent flight and leave yourself with the bottom of your existing workforce."
correct. that is the exact plan. organizations are full of insecure phonies making decisions like this for the sole purpose of getting rid of threats to their position/promotion. they're not going to out-perform an effective worker. but they sure can out-click and out-type them. so guess what their subordinates are going to be judged on?
I'd like to track my boss's activities. I'm pretty sure he doesn't do a damn thing and leaves early 3 days a week.
Shit when I'm programming sometimes I need time to think, maybe write stuff down on a piece of paper or read over stuff multiple times to understand it. Just because my mouse hasn't moved doesn't mean I did nothing with that time
i found meself moving the mouse just because of shit like this.
In the future artists will get number of brush strokes counted so any time they spend thinking on what to paint, how it should look, color of paint, or mixing paint will not count and therefore they are a bad painter and shouldn't be patronized.
I love the pencil and paper approach. But according to such tracking software I will have almost zero productivity...
Bad employer:
More bonus for project completion for motivation -- NO
Tons of money into employee monitoring software and programs -- HELL YES
βYou donβt have to worry if you have nothing to hideβ
You know who else said that? The Soviet Union
*USA
North Korea and China, as well.
Thats like saying you don't need freedom of speech because you have nothing to say
Dah, komrade. Now sit down and say you like it.
Tbf I hear this kind of bull in every country nowadays. I don't want my phone to be tracked 24/7. Why? Maybe because I don't trust neither goverments nor corporations. They always reply "as long as you don't break the law you don't have to be afraid"
Who decides what the law is?
Sleazy CEO: Judge workers by busy work numbers.
also Sleazy CEO: Only judge me by the end results not how I got there.
I'm so glad to have my own architecture firm, and to play my employees by the job. Not the hour. I have deadlines but I've never hassled my employees other than a normal checkups. It's nice to be respected and liked by employees instead of hated.
The most common day and time to have a heart attack is Monday morning at 8 AM. And it is because of this kind of shit.
"If you wanna be a victim, in sales you can always be the victim" -- Sounds like someone needs to get pistol-whipped by reality.
I know right? Play the "victim"....? "They know we're always watching; which is good." Really Reggie? Toxic boss alert
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Everything past my router is mine and nobody gets access to it!
We know you have a 25gb 02 folder
This is the same as when some companies used to ask for social media access. βWell if you donβt have anything to hide...β.
Who is attracted and who is repulsed by such policies? Honest people are disgusted. Dishonest people think, βIβll just make a fake profile and...β and so on.
Rewarding vice attracts more vice and runs off virtue. Rewarding virtue brings success.
Now, a lot of companies insist on you given them your LinkedIn IRL as part of the application process. I need to create a dummy one that only spews, "I love working OT!" and "Bosses are the best" or some crap like that.
1:09 gitlab was coded in ruby and some parts in Golang , the authors of the programming language don't have stackoverflow accounts, so are they rejected too? Such a**hole HR guys and recruiters.
I subscribed because youβre brutally honest lol. Call these people out! Youβre the advocate for the people.
Rip unnecessary emails if they increase your productivity score, oh the more emails I send the more productivity points I get? Guess Ill turn those 5 emails into 25 to not get fired for having too low of a productivity score.
You know, something about
Micro managers don't know how to hire well
It's funny that by demonstrating their distrust of employees, managers actually sew distrust within their employees... it's like how projection of insecurities onto others can actually leading to their manifestation.
"I pay you a small part of the value you create, so I deserve to be able to spy on you as much as i want to make sure you're actually working!"
-CEO who doesn't create anything of value but still makes 100x as much as any employee
Oh but im sure CEO's aren't replaceable parts of an organization like most other employees....
Oh wait...
We need socialism.
sad but true
π€ except for the value of the idea of creating the company, which employs you. That person takes the risk of failure more than his employees do. All the $$ and stress that person put into building that company could be gone after a bad quarter, but you still get your biweekly check and if the company goes under (you should be building your skills and side hustling anyway) find another job. I just started a new better paying job after searching since November... woulda been quicker, but the cooties virus hit. And I'm a black female, so don't go into "only white people can do this" bs. Dinesh D'Souza actually does an excellent job at dismantling this wayward concept of yours. Id challenge myself if I were you.
Edit: I said all that to make the point about his $ vs employees $. Not to support the spying idea. That's partially why I left the last job.
@@MrsDazl you're conflating small business with big corporations. Most corporations (i.e. the ones that keep buying out and destroying small individuals and consolidating the market) are long established and have gone through dozens of CEOs.
Most CEOs get paid millions to come in and cut corners and underpay the workers to increase the bottom lines for the shareholders. It's a scummy fucking system.
Very fortunate to have a manager who says these are our KPI turnarounds and I don't care how you get it done as long as it's on time and accurate.
Us call center workers are used to being tracked all day everyday. Itβs terrible.
It's time to start forming unions.
You have a very important channel Joshua, I hope that this topic will catch on large scale
Iβm a veteran and I refuse to work for a company thatβs going to treat me like a child after being treated like a slave I actually value my time and I wonβt work for a company that does stuff like this
I wonder if HR and the CEO's have to have this tracking software installed (doubt it.)
MY PAID FOR INTERNET, MY RULES. I only connect to the network server when I need to send or receive information. Else I run all my applications with no connection. I literally disconnect the network by shutting down the server in my house.
I had a coworker who could honestly get a days work done in 1-2 hours. Made me feel like shit when i use to work next to him but he can honestly do all the work and watch netflix when working from home.
since I work in a small company, if I don't do work company does not make progress in the project. Thus I have to do work no matter what xD
My home is my sanctuary. I will not allow a ceo into my home.
Whose monitoring the monitors?
Omg, new profession created! We need a hierarchy of monitors
....not enough Stack Overflow points to be EMPLOYED? SERIOUSLY?! Stack Overflow is all about helping other people online with their problems if you are inclined to do so, but there are SO MANY REASONS that a well-qualified coder isn't going to have a glorious SO profile. Some of us just don't have time to answer questions for other people all day long. Do they want a coder or a person that will sit around all day answering questions for people outside the company?
They think they can use some stupid combination of raw numbers to score your productivity? LOL. Let's remember that lines of code is a trash measurement of productivity for good reasons, and also this from someone very hard to argue against: "One of my most productive days was throwing away 1,000 lines of code." - Ken Thompson, one of the two creators of UNIX.
It all seems a good idea at first until they realise that there's always gonna be people that will cheat the system. People that will just askfdgjhgfasdgfkjasdgf their pc's in order to get those keystrokes rates up. Maybe just do some stupid random clicks on the screen.
So far things have been working fine, they give a project and a deadline, and you as an employee deliver within that deadline. But sucks that many employers get pissed when you finish a 2 week project in like what 5 days, and spend the other days basically doing other stuff. Not our fault if we work more efficiently than other people, shouldn't be an excuse for them to pay less.
I used to work for such a company, and what I would do is keep a Bluetooth mouse in my pocket and installed tabswitcher and g on with my daily routine
@@firkyunbanaya good work. Gotta finese the system to stick it to the man!
literally would take the devleopers 2 minutes to make a python scritp that random moves the mouse andtypes on the keyboard every minute
"Throbber" Portable Apps (emphasis on portable so get around security) were my go to in corporate life. Run those apps and walk away for a bit. Or, you know, take more than 10 minutes to enjoy your lunch.
Iβve been a remote employee since 2019. I get MORE done while actually working fewer hours because Iβm not being interrupted for bullshit chitchat.
Humans can only be so productive, in or out of work. Set work goals. If people meet or exceed them, leave them alone.
So, it all sounds great till a hacker creates a keystroker tool. It fills the queue with characters, then deletes them, then repeats. Add a random number generator so the stream is always unique. A nice macro running Word would seem to fill the bill. Then what about the BYOD? If I am using MY assets, MY home, etc, I do have rights and one is not to have my computer hacked.
7:14 MY RIGHT EAR GODDD
I work with one of the top 10 IT companies. I've been working remotely for the last 10 years probably, I spend at least 2 or 3 hours slacking, watching something in youtube or just doing nothing 'productive' and some how still I'm among the top 5 performers in a team of over a hundred colleagues world wide, noy only have one of the highest customer ratings but also close not only the most but fastest my tickets/bugs. I some times woke up at 3am when suddenly I realize how to fix something and I just jump directly to my computer to test it. I'm pretty sure that I really work not more than 3 hours a day. They day I'm told that I will be monitored is the day that I'll send my two weeks notice.
This is exactly why talented people aren't to work for these people. Those do want to work for them are people without limited options. Even then they're going to end up doing an "ok" job just to get a paycheck from them. Don't expect "innovation" or "creative." Why should they work hard for such a company? Imagine being constantly being monitored like you're in a prison. If people can, they will leave these companies.
Ive been in trouble with my boss multiple times because a big chunk of what I do cant be tracked. The problem with this tracking tech is that if your numbers are less that other workers you are not a good employee. Iβve tried to explain it to my boss multiple times and they dont get it.
If the employer can't trust his workers he implicitly admits he can't hire reliable people.
I used to work sales for an insurance company that had screen and phone recording in place. If the screen recorder didn't track mouse movement for over 10 minutes, it notified HR and sometimes we'd be called into a meeting for this even if we were on lunch at the time.
There was a workaround to turn off the tracking though. The company wasn't allowed to record the screen or phone call when the payment system was open on the card details info. We just kept the payment system open all the time.
People: We like working from home because of the freedom from CEO's and Management watching over our sholders.
CEO's and Management: we are about to invade every inch of your lives.
Along those same lines, where I work, they're always pushing customer service surveys. In some ways, this just promotes that, 'The customer is always right' mentality. Most of the time you're just trying to stand by the company's guidelines, and you have no power to do otherwise. Customers can be such jerks sometimes because they know this. So what I plan to do when getting a survey as a customer is to give the agent kudos, but at the same time chide the corporation a bit for having these endless surveys in the first place. And yeah, it's another tool they use to 'inspire that competition' between us worker bees.
Wow, lady. βWeβve found workers are willing to forgo their privacy for jobs.β Really? People are willing to give up privacy to continue to not starve to death? Fascinatingβ¦
We had this exact metric system - if our mouse hadn't moved anywhere in 5 mins, the floor walkers would come along and ask if everything was okay (everything tracked) to the split second. Expected to take call after call (and log our notes while on the call). Morale was low and anxiety was high!
This is one I highly agree with. Metrics have become something that take the human element out of management. So managers don't have to manage and can just dick around in meetings and then just look at your numbers and ding people for it. It's trash. Especially in customer service, which is the realm I came from and started my career. Sometimes you have to tell people no to properly represent your company so they give you a bad survey score and then a manager who hasn't spoken to you in a month or two are like whelp you suck. People need to be treated like people. This shit is inhumane. But they don't care because they just use you till you're burnt out and the recycle someone else in all hyped up on a new company and job.
I was harrassed at CVS by my sup...it was insane, I started having the worst anxiety and when I reached out to HR they sent me in circles and would not connect me to the HR manager it was crazy and many other were harrassed this way by the same sup.
worked for a local company, they did track me, if you don't move your mouse pc will lock, you will be inactive marked, so i usually placed mouse in uneven surface where light deflects in a way that makes mouse cursor go left-right, so no more locks.
The first sign of dealing with someone who is untrustworthy is that they don't trust others. Suspicious people are suspicious.
Metrics are never a true measure of the work being done. You can also always manipulate them as well.
LMAO. I have been wearing shorts for the last eight months every day. I attended scrum calls with shorts.
The last organization I worked for when I started, way before Covid I was expected to work off hours quite a bit. And originally they supplied me with a cell phone and they compensated me for part of my Internet bill. Fast forward a few years they decided they werenβt going to supply a cell phone and they werenβt going to compensate me for my Internet bill at all. At that point I was working from home full-time and working easily 30% overtime all week. When I started working from home my manager was surprised at how much higher my productivity was. I then had to explain to him that my productivity gain was because I wasnβt being interrupted on an hourly basis by micro managers. And by other people who just had nothing to do all day and wanted to waste time.
If they had started tracking me I wouldβve disconnected once an hour for 15 minutes just to screw with them. I was a knowledge worker and they were a lot of time where Iβd be looking at systems evaluating what was going on and not touch a mouse or keyboard so if their county key clicks or mice movements theyβre going to see zero even though I am working. This is nothing but tiny minded people that canβt understand that there are folks that work for them that will be and will act as responsible adults. Am I seeing everyone was like this no there were some people that when they said they were working from home we knew they were at the beach they were on trips to Home Depot they were not available. I hold myself to a higher standard than that.
One of these "managers/ceo's" even had a DJ table in his office...and sat there talking about efficiency and how good it is to monitor their employees....him obviously being excluded from this monitoring, because he gotta work on those DJ skillz for the weekend yacht party.
I went through a bunch of TV series while I was working when I was at an office job cause my manager was super chill.
I was very happy to do as much as I could for him cause he pretty much let me get stuff done however I wanted.
The social contract is they pay me just enough where I don't quit and I work just enough where they don't fire me. Period.
Freelancing full time is becoming very popular this year. You have the freedom to choose your work. No strings attached equals happiness. I do it (partially for now).
I manage multiple teams and I have found that people with a good work ethic will work hard regardless where they are. In fact, I had a few who, after coronavirus started, I ended up telling to NOT work so much. We haven't missed a beat. It's funny, up my chain of command there was concern, but I had to point out that, as a global company, MANY of the people we work with throughout the company are in different parts of the country and the world, so we're working remotely with those people anyway. It's as though that thought had never crossed their minds.
Bottom line....some people in C suites or senior leadership positions are smart, but many of them are total zeros.
Oh, and one other thing......unless you're using it during a meeting, ALWAYS keep your laptop camera covered and mike disabled. Re-enable for meetings if needed.
Why is your voice low? I can't hear you speak properly.
Currently doing a sales jobs where we use a shoddy version of Salesforce and have to log things into it, so the people at the top can track what we do.
Itβs non-productive. We spend hours logging vs hours selling. Dumbest place Iβve ever worked at.
Super agree with you at 6 minutes. If you hire someone you should trust them and say hey get this done by this timeframe. This whole tracking thing is so subjective. Different people work at different speeds and tackle things different ways. I laughed at that lady saying people don't need micro management and then is like so we just track EVERYTHING digitally. Haha wtf
This just turns passionate energetic employees into someone who is working JUST hard enough to not get fired.
Track me daddy, UwU
For the exact same reaso, people should reject government surveillance!
What is productivity? I can click and type all day and do nothing. It's the preformance and results that matter. And this is just terrible and unhumane. I bet these companies have some "Mental health awernes days' while destroying people mental health, privacy and human rights in the meantime.
This is so bad it's basically collecting a treasure trove of data like passwords, sensitive client material related to your job on your screen. This is terrible, what would happen if this data was ever breached or compromised.
I think you should consider debating this with people who don't agree with you. people coming from the sales environment might tend to agree with monitoring being competitive and fun. Especially considering a lot of sales teams are the highest paid and most respected teams in a lot of companies. You bring up good points with certain types of monitoring but monitoring actual work performance is somewhat reasonable.
My company doesn't have time to hire people that need to be babysat.
like me as an electrician sitting in my van in winter at 4pm, 2 hours away from home jobs all finished but i can't leave till 5pm because of the tracker in the van. fun times!
We should be able to track our CEO's.
Scummy companies.
These employers would not want to be tracked like they track others
Are the employees able to see the work the management team in charge of this system are doing? I want to make sure my leaders are working to improve the business and such after all.
8:12 "I want them in the office I want to look at them, feel them..."
Sounds like the talk of someone who needs his devices searched. Bet he'd be getting looked at and felt in an orange jumpsuit.
I don't know if you caught this - but cos have this software called cockpit... That tracks keystrokes and mouse moves... Any pause in these is recorded as well and later they ask why wasn't something happening on screen... If it wasn't you're supposed to be on phone or online calls... Basically the performance reviews end up only about this and never about results or general value-adds an employee might bring
Josh, you should make a video on "how to find out if your work laptop has a tracking tools installed"
I'm not sure if there is a catch all way
"You sign your rights away when you agree to work for someone"
I spent actual self-restraint on stopping myself from punching the screen :)
It's true tho, fucking companies
I love walking out on companies that behave like this. No calls, no warning... just leave.
Only should apply to militaries
βHow do we measure the CEOβs performance?β
βBy increasing our stock price, etcβ
Sooooo... by your results, not by your screen time???
Beautiful
Gottem
I don't think the stock price usually has anything to do with the CEO :)
Even a stock price can be dolled up you know.
Seriously, I am starting to believe that CEOs are the new snake oil salesmen.
@@oscarrosado6440 Yes, definitely they are.
I'm a software engineer. There are days where I will slack on youtube, take a shower, do my laundry, play some music. And my superior knows that I'm not working 100% of the time and that this slack allows me to take a step back and make the good design choices. No good software engineer/architect can produce quality by staring at the screen 8h/day
Exactly, if I was working intensely at the laptop continuously at software engineering problems, my brain would give up by the early afternoon. It would be like a CPU running at 100% all the time, but humans are not computers.
I make a lot of decisions while slacking. Researching stuff overloads me and I kind of just have to relax to process what can be a lot of info.
It's true for every single job that requires thinking (and actually to a larger extent all jobs, I remember reading about an experiment with rotating production line workers between different roles and it improved their productivity despite the time "wasted" on switching places)
@@wlockhart 100 percent use is fine as long as the brain stays cool. Try placing a heatsink/fan on your head to prevent damaging temps. "Pick up that can!"
If you meet all the deadlines and produce quality code, who cares whether you work 3, 8 or 20 hours a day and what you do in the process? Conversely, if you're not delivering the results, is it really an excuse that you "work hard"?
Imagine that, CEOβs getting paid six figures just to track you and say that youβre not being productive...
He probably makes closer to 7
@@JoshuaFluke1 or 8, including stock options.
Not even tracking dude, the software does it for them
Welcome to capitalism
@@AshutoshKumar-es8xy Could you not?
The most talented software engineer I know only interacts with his computer maybe half of the time, the rest he spends staring into space and solving the problem in his head. Also, he uses VIM so barely touches his mouse. So yeah, he should be fired.
This is how a lot of "problem solving" jobs are. You spend a good amount of time working through the problem, then you design, build, and implement the solution. I do everything from coding to project management in more than a few fields. A lot of my time is spent drawing things out on paper or discussing the problem with my work ducks.
@Super I have worked with these idiots with fancy MBAs and I know exactly what you mean. They are straightaway put on managerial roles, supervising people they aren't qualified to serve coffee to. Most of these MBA types become tyrannical parasites, making insane promises to the client, and then driving their team to depression to achieve an impossible number at an impossible budget.
When after months of sleepless nights, when we somehow do manage to deliver, they spent half a day making a fancy 100 page presentation (with 70 of them being screenshots and designs put together by the team) and gets praised to the skies by the client - proving to the management they were absolutely right in their decision to put a buffoon in charge.
Super correct
@@atharvaprabhu7467 command prompt program
@@rahuldutt1358 What can one do about it Rahul? Maybe contact the client and let them know about what is going on?
Iβm the sort of person that if I know Iβm being watched my productivity drops drastically and I get really stressed.
sammmeeee
Same!
You have nothing to worry about then, they usually do their best to inform you as little as possible about this kind of stuff
Me too. We are so screwed if this is the future.
Same for me. It just reminds me of when I was in school and I'd be working on an assignment or writing a paper and then the teacher would lean over my shoulder to watch me work and then say something like "Pretend I'm not here." But you are in my space and it's incredibly distracting.
"Back to work citizen. Your mouse hasn't moved in 16 seconds."
"Pick up that mouse, citizen" -Combine
sadly it was a one of Citibank rules for developers, it was the worst experience of my entire career
one of my jobs a few years ago, a "team leader" sent me a 15 line email to tell me i was 1 minute late back from lunch..
@@BernhardRutzen Really? This makes me angry. I'd literally go insane if I had to work like that. I'd much rather work in a ditch with a shovel.
jokes on them, i can move my mouse with a python script
As Edward Snowden famously said, "Saying you don't need right to privacy because you have nothing to hide, is like saying you don't need freedom of speech because you don't have anything to say".
Haha :) Absolutely brilliant!!
yes. just yes.
I prefer the analogy "If you have nothing to hide, why do you close the door when you go to the toilets"
Lol beat me to it! I thought Josh would know that famous quote, so I was surprised then checked the comments & well & behold...
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If my productivity score increases 6% do I get a 6% pay rise, if the answer is no then you have no right to track me at home.
this tbh, they always raise our metrics every year without raising our pay, instead they offer "benefits" such as insurance you have to pay for, or a 401k, making only about 20% annually compared to the overall market
Based
is your productivity at least on par on the value that you are paid for? if the answer is no, either I track you and you increase that number, or I don't pay you, fair trade?
as an employer, too many workers simply do not work their worth, there are good people that gives the numbers, but far too many are all talk and aren't generating enough value to be paid their salaries
its FAIR to pay a worker if he reaches goals, makes sure the results match
but far too many others fail and who has to take care of the burden? the employer
@@personspec8881 You signed a contract to pay your employee a certain amount, if they're not providing the value you wanted that's just as much a mistake by the employer as the employee.
@@benjamindover2601 not just that, but as an employer you Have to make sure that the employee you hired provide that value you need, and thats where actions such as these come into play
Worked for a bank and they tracked every call you made regardless of the quality of the call. Someone who flew through calls without helping anyone looked like a god because they made 50 calls a day, but someone who made 10 quality calls and helped every person looked like a bad employee. It took awhile, but they finally realized metrics are useless if you're not ensuring quality as well. Good video as always.
well, there's a reason why they prefer the unhelpful person with the high number of calls. and the reason is that *dum dum dummmmmm* they're not looking to help people.
they're actually looking to be as unhelpful to as many people as possible. other than banks, this applies to telcos, insurers, chains like walmart and more.
Priceless.
This is why I ALWAYS take the survey at the end of the call. If they blew me off then I give them the lowest score possible, but if they and stayed and helped or at least tried to but failed then I give them the highest score possible. I hope it helps you out but probably not.
it's what they incentivize for. NPS vs Volume of calls. People are still under the impression today, that quantitative data equals success. Which is why their businesses fail to scale up and have quality products that actually solve problems for the people that consume them. :/ Fact some middle manager needed a promotion and they probably set the KPI for calls. Some tend to use fluff data to either get a promotion, or just keep their departments afloat for a while longer if their funding is cut off.
@@SorinJurcut this mindset (quantity over quality) come from the factory worker mindset. The worker who puts together 50 widgets on the assembly line is more productive than the one who only managed to build 20. The CEOs who created job expectation culture came from the factory industry/ industrial revolution era. That factory worker mindset does not work well with most jobs, but this mindset pervades all of work culture