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Long Island Railroad Review ~ Train Sim World 3
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2023
- Released nearly five years ago, the Long Island Railroad DLC in TSW is a severely underwhelming (and borderline unplayable) recreation of what is otherwise a fascinating commuter rail network in the eastern United States. It only features a tiny portion of the LIRR network and includes just one train; the Bombardier M7. The Budd M3 is sold separately because..............
There's bound to be people who don't agree with what I have to say about this DLC, but I'm not going to let that stop me from standing up and express my honest thoughts on what I consider to be the worst add-on in Train Sim World history.
I think DTG should go back, add the missing branches to LIRR, Haarlem Line, NY Trenton, add Grand Central Madison on top and sell it as a single DLC, with all required motive power of course. If that route is good, I bet people will pay 100 USD for it. We can call it "New York Commuter"
Coming from somebody who has visited the LIRR before here is what I think DTG should have done…
Because the route was made earlier in TSW’s lifetime I’m going to run with the rule that the route can’t be longer than 60 miles because that was the maximum route length at the time, because of that I think Penn Station to Ronkonkama or Penn Station to Port Jefferson would make the most sense as both of those routes are around 50 miles long, maybe keep the Hempstead and Atlantic Terminal line in because of how short those lines are, but it would likely make the route longer than a typical route for TSW1. Because the route was made in 2018 including the M9 wouldn’t make a lot of sense because they weren’t in active service at the time. The DM30AC should also be thrown in if they did the Port Jefferson line because that line is diesel only between Huntington and Port Jefferson. And lastly make the timetable actually busy.
However if the route made in 2023 then the route should be Penn Station to Ronkonama, Port Jefferson and Hempstead, because longer routes are now a thing that exist. The thrid track from Floral Park to Hicksville and the brand new line to Grand Central should also be should be included. The rolling stock should be the M7, DE/DM30AC and the M9, they could maybe include the M3 but they are starting to retire them so they are becoming more and more rare as time goes on. The MP15AC is also a maybe because while yes they do already have the model from Caltrain, there likely wouldn’t be many services for it due to it being a maintaince loco.
DTG could maybe do what they did with SEHS to LIRR and make the extended the route and implement all the changes that I came up with. But knowing Dovetails current quality control, I doubt that is ever going to happen.
Also I should make a quick correction in your video, the West Hempstead line runs to Atlantic terminal, as far as I know I don’t think they run shuttles to valley stream, I think they might have ran those shuttles a few years ago, before the Grand Central extension was built. But as of now that isn’t the case.
Excellent video by the way, you did a good job summarizing a lot of the problems that the route had.
I been playing this route a lot and I mainly drive the M3’s and M7’s and there were no diesel trains especially the cab car and the MP15AC’s another thing is that Dovetail games did put the cars on each Railroad Crossing, Honestly this Route needs to be Extended and a Major Improvements
It’s stupid how their is no Diesel.If they put the Diesel in the game they’re probably would’ve been a Oyster Bay extension for the DLC train.I almost feel that they may add the Diesel in the game due to this one reason.On the Lirr map in the game you can see a unfinished Oyster Bay line and if you were to walk up that line(No train) You would see a big space gap were the East Wiliston Station would’ve been at.Who knows maybe someday the Diesel will be in the game.
tbf, each service is scheduled hourly (ie. a Ronkonkoma train departs NYP at 17:13, the next would depart NYP at 18:13) the issue is that they only have one service on the mainline, and as far as I'm aware, there is no service from Atlantic Terminal to Hempstead. This coming from someone who has been taking trains out of Atlantic Terminal for the past 2 weeks, I've only seen the Brooklyn Shuttle (Atlantic Terminal to Jamaica) and the West Hemstead Branch out of Atlantic Terminal
another thing, most stops at station are that short if not shorter
As a Long Island native I 100% recommend the oyster bay branch as it’s one of the most scenic as well as the port Jefferson branch
Even though this route was nostalgic for me, as it was the first TSW add-on i got. I can look back at the route and i would notice some glaring issues, especially the timetable issue. Good video as always btw!
I think Dovetail should add the missing motive power (that I mentioned in the video), and add the full Port Washington and Ronkonkoma branches.
Coming from someone who enjoys and rides the lirr daily this dlc really seemed rushed. The the routes were hella short
Exactly
Dovetail claim the reason why the LIRR route is very desolate in game, is because the safety systems (ATC and ACSES) don't recognize too many services that run on the route in real life and for that reason the safety systems are completely inaccurate in game and would behave differently from their real life counterparts.
Maybe they can port over the Harlem Line safety systems now, and with that add more services (and branches)
Ironically… just as you were saying “depicted in the 70s and 80s” about World of Subways, the train crossed over a diamond crossover that was only added in the 2000s to make short lining the train at Queensboro Plaza easier.
In the past, when the line had to be cut back due to construction, the train had to run express south of Woodside, making travel harder for anyone in the Sunnyside area.
That switch allowed trains to make all local stops to/from Main Street when terminating at Queensboro.
How does West Hempstead not go through Jamaica?
Just to add cause i forgot to add it in; West Hempstead Branch trains during rush hours do run from West Hempstead To Atlantic Terminal so they do go through Jamaica during peak times
I can't stand the M7's sounds. Why doesn't the initial whine transition into the second whine like on Harlem Line? So you basically hear two notes at the same time, which makes these sounds worse than they were supposed to be.
Yeah, I’m noticing that, hopefully they fix it one day
My ex favorite add-on, man I rlly wish it got more attention instead of this crap, at least with Harlem Line it's Linear yes, but there is variation and reasonable gaps between services as there is irl. Credit where is due the M7 and M3 are a blast to drive, but it's such a shame how big of a waste this route was.. It was one of the better routes during the TSW 2020 Era and even a bit into the TSW 2 ERA until Harlem Line overshadowed it... I still like to drive the route from time to time cause the Hempstead branch is one of my favorite routes in the entire network. There has been a major uproar on the forums calling for an entire LIRR overhaul, but I'm not even sure if DTG will. On a side note tho, you were 100% right abt Midland Mainline, anyway I look forward to your future reviews
Pfft....this line could of had much more potential. If DTG decide to do a major timetable overhaul, kinda like what they are doing with Köln-Aachen, or have it more like London Commuter, then this line's potential can be unlocked.
An overhauled timetable would be great for this route, but I honestly don't expect it to ever happen. We know how DTG treat US routes.
After seeing LIRR 2.0 soon arriving, I hope DTG fix all these bugs to make the route better
they wont
Good review. I am dissapointed in the LIRR add on. I'm from Long Island, and my father worked 30 years on the LIRR as a conductor. I really wish they had the Babylon line and others, also beef up the scenery. Anyway I hope the next iteration is more detailed.
I only play the sim for the LIRR, I don't care much about the freight and what not.
I agree I wish they would have finished the branch and went to Huntington instead of a Hicksville terminus.
Instead of the main line I would like to see them do the Babylon branch.
Deadass. This was a short ass route. Bffr😒
Just to let you know the west Hempstead branch now has hourly service to Atlantic terminal Brooklyn and Hempstead trains run to Grand Central off-peak as of February 27th with east-side access being opened
Thank you. I wasn't aware of that.
Also the only time Amtrak is in the LIRR DLC are the Suburban Sunset and Maintenence Maneuver scenarios and thats just the static coaches only
1:50 They got the double guywire NYC mastarm traffic light standard correct. Imagine if it showed wirespan traffic lights in NYC.
14:21 It is like that in real life
As someone who generally doesn't care about these types of simulators, seeing this all of a sudden on a humble bundle made me double take.
And then as someone who *has* ridden the LIRR many times, it...god, the sounds and lack of actual traffic make this place look AI generated. Like I can see it, I can recognize it, it's just...VERY uncanny.
Yea Dovetail did a horrendous job on this route...train traffic was dead, then the timetables were terrible. How do you have more service on Hempstead line, when then( pre GCM opening), didnt operate to Penn except rush hours.
All Dovetail did was false advertise bout the "busiest" railroad.
Regardless other millions of errors, Dovetail gets a "F" for major fail lol
Actually the EMUs can actually stop at Long Island city I’ve seen videos before
So basically, without considering pricing, Niddertalbahn is the only really good route for TSW?
It's certainly got the best scenery in the game, I'll say that much. Although it's not my personal favourite route.
Basically but it has its issues too like a pzb bug that was fixed by tsg on their end on release but not released by dtg yet. Planned to come out this month
I think that Edinburgh - Glasgow have a pretty detailed train. That route also have a function elevator at Edinburgh Waverly
Doesn't really capture the scunginess of LI around the tracks either....
I live in Brooklyn and not far from the LIRR Atlantic branch and the way they did Atlantic Ave was inaccurate. The street was too wide, and the structure is elevated. Theres no ballast on the elevated section from Nostrand Ave to Ralph Ave. They shouldve had the line extended to Ronkonkoma and included the Oyster Bay, Far Rockaway, Babylon and West Hempstead.
I went into this with an open heart but once I saw that Winnebago I was dead😅 dovetail they really don't care😢
They only seem to care about making money; reputation be damned!
@@DC4260Productions agreed, thank you for the time and effort put into these videos I always look forward to them, they also help with my decisions when considering what to purchase
Didnt dtg say that they couldnt find much info on the diesel locomotives of the LIRR lol? Just baloney of excuses. anyways, so many errors of this dlcs starting with the garbage timetable (also DTG giving a crap of an excuse of this goofy timetable). They shouldve created the entire Hungtington/Port Washington/Ronkonkoma(even if cut back to Farmingdale just in case), and extra trains between Penn Station/Atlantic Terminal to/from Jamaica(for Bbaylon/Far Rockaway/Long Beach and btw there were few West Hempstead trains pre GCM that operated to/from Atlantic Term on rush hours}...and lets not forget DTG advertised it as Ronkonkoma trains but left Hicksville on the Port Jefferson branch. MAJOR FAIL lmao.
Please help! Is it true if you already own this DLC in Train Sim World, you can also use it in in Train Sim World 2 and 3? Just trying to research before jumping into buying a new game only to find out I need to re-purchase anything.
Yes. I had the LIRR back in the TSW2020 era, and it carries over to TSW2 and 3. Presumably the same thing will happen with TSW4.
@@DC4260Productions M3 as well?
You can play it all in tsw 2 and 3
I would really love another subway route for tsw3. They worked with New York MTA, Boston MBTA and London Underground. So I think it’s possible.
The 7 train would literally be perfect.
@@bryant_gotgameDude World Of Subways alr have a 7 line
@@bryant_gotgameI think the N line would be better since since it mixed better with outside n underground.
Also to add there’s different train models for the N
2:02 no one caring that guy didn’t stop, and as going to run those pedestrians over?
I always thought they held the doors a little too long in the game. They only stay open that long at stations like Jamaica
Why Lord Why 🤦🏾♂️. Seriously, they need to redo this route and either bring it to Babylon or Ronkonkoma.
A Babylon branch would be great.
@@mtanycftrain3812or far rockaway but that works too
@@mtanycftrain3812or Port Washington
As a person who uses the lirr Hempstead branch quite often in real life, this route is a disgrace. The scenery is so inaccurate basically everywhere. The route is so empty that it should be referred to as Track Sim World since you hardly see trains. What I find most baffling is that the TSC version of the route looks miles better than the TSW version. This route needs a complete overhaul because it's not worth the purchase due to how bad it is in so many areas
The high pitch whine on the m7 when accelerating sounds very bad compared to real life and worse than the m7a in game. Also, the lirr m7's physics are more realistic that the M7A's as the m7a accelerates way to fast compared to real life. The lirr m7's acceleration is more realistic
The reason why the lirr has in cab singals is the same reason the Metro North Railroad has them. Trains will run in a block so to speak and the signal speed will change if you are close to a train ahead as the lirr doesn't have physical singals everywhere.
I do agree with most points you made. I really hope as a new yorker, that DTG don't make a NYC subway route as they will find some way to make a terrible rendition of a subway line.
I hope something can be done to improve this route but I doubt DTG would ever give this route the love it deserves. Ironically, there has been a small preservation crew patch that has been on the roadmap for over a year and there hasn't been any news on what the small update has. Typical DTG
It's empty due to the signaling not working. Basically you'll get something like green green green and then suddenly a red. This meant a busier timetable couldn't be made. The entire route requires a complete rebuild which is a massive amount of work.
@davidpark5486 I know dtg botched the singals, but they could've chosen to go back and fix the signals and make it like the TSC version which actually works properly
You use the Hempstead Line...DTG def screwed up that section...especially seeing few services in the game making a Hempstead express between Jamaica and Hempstead..I'm like they truly didn't do their homework and I don't want to hear the excuses of the signals and all
Glad I didn’t get this route! 😂
They should add Diesel and more branch lines
As much as I love taking this train in real life, it’s literally so unplayable with all the issues it’s got on it, they did it so dirty
Flushing Main Street and 34 Street Hudson Yard
The train traffic should look like London commuters! The Scenario planner is need the ability for unlimited services for a scenario. Also the car models are garbage. TramSim has decent car models. Oh yeah, and car traffic
One of the routes I regret buying 😂
You'll need it for the nyp to Trenton dlc lol for ai at penn station. The new timetable is still being tested. Unless you're on last gen it ends up being next gen only due to the huge amount of services
I got this route because it was bundled with the TSW 2020 Deluxe Edtion when I got it during the pandemic. At least I got it got free technically
I like this route.
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this is prob gonna come off the wrong way but you should def ride LIRR in real life instead of using the internet and a game as a basis for opinions, some of the things you stayed was just flat out wrong or made no sense