Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes | World Record Speedrun | Big Boss in
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2020
- I'm back with another world record for Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes! This is the first and currently only 56:XX Big Boss run to be released, smashing the old world record by over a minute!
I've improved many strategies to increase speed and consistency as well as performed all the relevant new strategies developed in cooperation with the community. The result is a truly insane run with fantastic execution and impossibly rare fortunate RNG that makes this one hard to beat.
Quick links to points of interest:
Guards 6:20
Ocelot 8:44
Tank 10:58
Ninja 14:09
Mantis 18:14
Wolf1 22:52
Prison Roll 26:47
Com Tower A 30:29
Hind D 35:57
Wolf2 41:33
Raven 44:56
Metal Gear 52:38
Liquid 54:43
Secret awesome trailer for this speedrun: • Speedrun Trailer
This run was executed 12/22/2019 on genuine Gamecube hardware and game discs.
Community Links:
Metal Gear Speed Running (MGSR) Discord: discordapp.com/invite/4vrB3Kb
Website: www.MetalGearSpeedrunners.com
Normal Any% World Record by Aerlien: www.twitch.tv/videos/41822771...
Game capture: Avermedia Live Gamer Extreme via an EON GCHD MkII.
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Just completed Twin Snakes for the first time and came here, this is super impressive!!!
I'm glad you enjoyed it and the game. Thanks for watching. :)
Gonna be watching this run several times as I learn extreme, the way you explain everything almost makes this like a tutorial for me
huge thanks as well for all of the tips you've given me over the previous year
What a run, good job Patriot!
Thank you very much for watching! :)
Hey! Nice speedrun and commenting my Patriot! It is refreshing to see upgraded version of Shadow Moses after playing the "remastered" mgs on the switch. Can't believe konami didn't give a damn😢
Yeah Twin Snakes is a fun remake. Maybe it will be included in a future collection. It's a shame the original MGS isn't in a better state in the first collection. The collection should have been the definitive way to play it going forward, but emulator, PSN download, or original disc is still far superior to the re-release. :/
you have world record having Otocon ending cool!
the legend is back
NOW GO, LET THE LEGEND COME BACK TO LIFE!
Welcome back!
First time watched this, never played this game in my life, just finished phantom pain. But this video made me want to speedrun this game! Should keep up with this content. Congrats bro.
I'm happy you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching. It's a really fun game to speedrun and I've come back to it many times since the game released. If you ever want to learn to speedrun a Metal Gear game or just chill with fans of the series you can find us on the MGSR discord linked in the description.
Clean run and superb commentary. Very entertaining. Just in time for all patriots to enjoy with 4th of July coming up.
Shame you couldn’t close out the 55. Incredible run man. I completely agree on finding consistency in strats. I won’t bet my run on something that ‘might’ work 30/40 minutes in. Being able to finish as many runs as possible is the key to getting great times.
You are a true Patriot. Also, very awesome video. You are a legend on the eyes of those in the speedrun field. How does it feel to be a world record speedrun holder? Oh, and new sub!
Thanks for watching and subbing, I'm happy you enjoyed it! It's nice to hold World Record but it's not a big focus for me anymore. When I first got it in 2004 it was big deal. All these years later WR is more of a natural result of whether I've done a recent run. The real focus for me is just improving the run, finding ways to go faster, and then completing a good run with my new discoveries. The biggest reward now it getting other runners involved and watching them enjoy it and take part in the community we've built around the game. (I know you were paraphrasing MGS lore but I thought I'd answer the question haha).
@@Wallguy Thanks for the in-depth answer, it's always interesting to see speeedruners explain the way their games and runs work, since they love and are so passionate about them. WAIT A MOMENT, so you have been fighting to maintain World Record on TTS for 17 years? Wow. That's awesome! It's almost as old as I am, lmao. You are truly an outstanding speedrunner.
@@AlexandeRSciswoR I haven't had to fight to keep the record after around 2005, at least until the last few years, if you want to call it fighting. I was just so far ahead of the competition in a game that few had run seriously after the popular early days. There was strong competition for the first year, and no one got close after that until maybe 2017. I probably took a long break around 2005 (to run MGS3 full time). In 2007 I privately came back to my WR and improved it further by 2 minutes. The modern era began in 2017 when new runners like Bluemetal, Aerlien, Plywood, Tyler2022, Furry, pdPreciousRoy and Jaguar King got in to it seriously. I took notice of their efforts and just happened to be working quietly on once again improving my WR. After coming out of secrecy and doing the first sub hour Big Boss run I took another hiatus, allowing several of these runners to eventually beat my posted WR for the first time since 2004. Last year I returned to running and left the WR where it is now in this video. :)
Nice speedrun i like how do you explain the run
Much appreciated. Thanks for watching. :)
gg wallguy, very good run!
Thanks. :)
Getting a BigBoss rank is impressive in itself. but this here.... i shook my head so many times and even got like goosebumps 3 times because i couldn't believe how insane some strats were/looked like!
I wouldn't even dare to think about doing some of this as it seems unreal, but here we are... looking at this run and that these things are indeed possible.
I've been speedrunning it off and on since it came out in 2004. So I have an abundant amount of experience with it. We build and test strats whenever we get ideas and then drill them into our muscle memory. As the years pile on this process has optimized the speedrun to absurd degrees. We have a decent number of runners but not compared to a game like Super Mario 64 or something. Despite that our core runners are very invested so our discoveries and mastery of the game can compare to many of the most optimized speed games. Many people have joined me in improving the run since 2017 and we still make new finds on occasion (the run has come a long way since 2017). It's a fun thing to be a part of and a great way to keep playing a game I've loved for 18 years. Thanks for watching. :)
I changed my name over the years I used to be king striker. Glad to see a new video.
Oh hey there King Striker thanks for the name change info. Thanks for watching. I hope your life has been kind these past years. :)
Hes back!! Hope you are well!
I am getting by ok considering everything. Thanks for watching. :)
🎉good video game content star1
very well done !
Patriot!
thanks also for the info on diff. Gamecubes and discs, i had no idea that it actually mattered w/ the physical hardware
I believe hardware/disc combos will matter on any disc based videogame systems after this testing. Ideally games would have a built in IGT that does not count loads/cutscenes so speedrunners would be on equal footing, like MGS4 or Silent Hill. Unfortunately that isn't very common. And systems like PS3 are even worse since model to model there are slight revisions that can greatly affect load times. >_< Thanks for watching!
@@Wallguy great analysis, thanks =]
this is why you remain #1 on the Extreme catgory leaderboard, you know every square inch of the game and its hardware
Nice speedrun in Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes.
Thanks. :)
@@Wallguy You're welcome.
Back in 2013 I got WR streaming to a Facebook group, and I never touched the game again. Well I wanted it to be official and I’m trying to get back into the game, but it’s almost discouraging to see how much the game had advanced. This video is very helpful in showing me what I’ve missed. Thank you so much!
Also…
I’m coming.
It's cool to see another fan of the game. What kind of times were you getting back in 2013?
My PB was 59:48 but I averaged around one hour to 1:15. I didn’t really know the speed scene back than, and I guess in retrospect I was comparing igt to rta so maybe I didn’t technically get the WR lol. But my Wii kicked the bucket and I wasn’t able to run the game until I got a pc a couple weeks ago. One day I want to hold WR in every MG 3D game, but seeing how far things have come has changed some things for me lol
Great stuff wallguy
La li lu le lo
Thanks. :)
Well played
I'll watch this later for tips and tricks for my own run ill attempt. This is the defentive Mgs1 for me. Its a shame others hate it, this is my canon version.
Most of the people who "hate" it only do so because they think they're supposed to. The original opinion they usually parrot was a single reviewer from the launch period who gave console war weirdos the flimsy excuses they needed to tear down a great game that didn't appear on other systems. None of those hold any water and that's why people playing this game without exposure to the hate clique love this version like any honest MGS fan should. :)
@@Wallguy only issue I have is maybe the music and how I want it like the original but they have a mod for this. I played this version in 2004 on the GameCube when I was younger and was blown away. I believe it was my first time playing Mgs1, I'm not sure but it was awesome !
@@Kyle-ii4fp I like most of the music but I do miss some stand out themes from the PS1 version. I wouldn't have minded a few of them getting remade for Twin Snakes, especially Rex's Lair. :)
@@Wallguy I would have to relisten to the twin snakes ost but Snake doing that Missle jump is canon to me. I need to listen to twin snakes music again but I prefer twin snakes over the orginal.
Cool runnings!
Lol tho you kinda remind of Obama the way you speak at the credits :p
Lol, thanks for watching. :)
Jesus, and I thought my record of 1:45 was good. I love this game so much. Easily the best and most fun way to play MGS1 no matter what people say about it
Yup. I love MGS1. It deserves the glory and it's place in history for what it accomplished. Twin Snakes doesn't deserve those same accolades since it didn't break any new ground on its own. But it is a better videogame to play and I still love playing it to this day. :)
you would make a hell of a fishing tournament commentary guy.
Good job man. You sir, you are a true patriot.
Thanks for watching! By any chance did you submit times to the Konami Twin Snakes leaderboard back in 2004?
@@Wallguy No, I didn't. Why?
@@phoenix8984 There was a player named PhoenixDNA who I used to talk to back then and I was curious if that was you. Guess not. Thanks for answering. :)
well played patriot!
Thanks Bud. :) TTS is so much fun to play. I wonder if in another 3 years this run will be unrecognizable and someone will need to drop a 53xx time or something lol.
Not sure if you were planning to come back to this ever, but a glitch has been found which can skip the elevator in the first part:
ua-cam.com/video/CXW5VH-nbkA/v-deo.html
Yeah I've been monitoring the situation as always. New discoveries are always good motivation to come back. I've been coming back to set new standards periodically since the game came out. I prefer to play on Extreme but the dock skip is not possible on Extreme yet (probably not ever). However some other smaller time saves that were just discovered are. So it is definitely interesting. But considering the level of optimization of my existing WR the new saves won't give me a free PB, just a slightly easier time getting there. Gotta put in a lot of de-rust work to play optimally. I will say that the larger skips like the docks skip on the easier difficulties make them more appealing than they would be otherwise. It's one of the most desired skips we've always wanted. So who knows what is in store for me in the future. For now I'm idle other than to learn and optimize any new discoveries. Watch Bluemetal or Aerlien if he comes back. They are currently the only runners capable of beating this WR, even with current new discoveries. They are great guys and fantastic runners. :)
not sure if it allows glitches but you can skip elevateor waiting by using chaf grenade and turning right near the elevator wall while you throw grenade will allow you to trigger elevator :)
We do have some new skips found about a month ago. But skipping the docks elevator can only be done on Normal difficulty and below. The skip requires a throwable item and there is no way to get one on Extreme this early in the game. Glitches are definitely allowed though. I do a bunch of them in this video. And whenever I get around to updating this 3 1/2 year old run I'll be sure to add any new discoveries that have come since. Thanks for watching friend. :)
I couldn't follow what happened during ninja fight. He supposedly go hand to hand combat at phase 2. But seems u were able to skipped it. What's the trick?
What we do is extend phase 1 until Ninja is out of life, or at least until he only needs one more hit to die. You can extend phase 1 forever but the game won't let you kill Ninja without going to at least phase 2. The way to extend phase 1 as long as you like is to lead with a socom shot in the first combo (you want Ninja to block the shot) followed by 2 more punches/attacks to complete the first combo. Then you do a second combo like a punch punch kick. Next start again with the socom leading combo and continue the process until Ninja is out of life. To trigger phase 2, you do two consecutive attack combos (no socom shot).
I am a man of culture. I see a Wallguy video. I instantly "like" it 😎
Thanks my friend. :)
Does the Kevin/Boba skip work and why didn’t you try it for a much faster time?
The Boba skip is not in Twin Snakes. It has its own skips and tricks however, all of which were attempted successfully in this run. Thanks for watching. :)
@@Wallguy that’s good to know saves me trying it. I will watch this right through
Can you try if you can do the bubba skip here.
That skip is not possible in the Twin Snakes remake. You must be using a version of the original Metal Gear Solid to perform the boba skip.
How low could you get this run now?
I try to discuss that during the credits of the video. It's already pushed pretty hard for what a human can do in execution combined with RNG. One major discovery in the time since this video makes the extremely difficult prison skip much easier to do, which means many more runs can survive past there with a chance to carry good RNG to the end. So another 15-20 seconds is reasonable, while 55:xx is technically possible if extremely unlikely cards align. As I mentioned in the video I've been on pace to late game for 55:5x around 3 times and I assume that frequency would increase with the easier prison trick. But that's a very difficult time to get. If I made new attempts I'd shoot for 56:1x first and then see how I felt about it. I'm hesitant to do more runs atm because this run basically killed the category 3 years ago. I'd like to see someone have the enjoyment of beating it before I break new ground because I don't want to further discourage competition by making it even more difficult to beat. Thanks for watching. :)
Patriot
Why is the clock running during cutscenes and loading screens, he would've gotten a better time.
The timer in the video is simply for reference, a "real time clock." It doesn't count as the official record time. For that we use IGT, or "in game time" which is what is shown after the credits. The game does normally run its in game timer at almost all times however, including cutscenes and loading sections. It briefly pauses behind the scenes, often for a half a second while loading a new room, or a packet of upcoming cutscenes. This is why when watching an original hardware run like this one the real time clock runs almost 2 minutes longer than the true in game time. When we speedrun the game on emulator we have a timer that reads the game memory directly and stays perfectly synced with the in game time. Thanks for watching. :)
@@Wallguy thanks for breaking it down, phenomenal speedrun as always, I've been trying to to run the game so I've been taking notes from you, cheers 👍
@@turnerhall5691 Ah that's cool to hear you are running it yourself. If you want you can join the metal gear speedrunning discord and get help from me and other runners in Twin Snakes or any Metal Gear game. We also have a wiki on metalgearspeedrunners dot com. Both are linked in the video description if you scroll down a bit.
Hello world usa from🌏🇮🇩 1:01:56 indonesia
Les fils de big boss
Smash or pass sniper wolf 😂
30:33, i struggle at this part
An easy reliable way to climb tower A is to copy the first part you see me do right before the laser grid. Those tosses knock out the chasing guards and buy you some time. The next key thing is to not be afraid to get hit. No matter what happens you want to keep moving up so the chasing guards don't catch back up to you. So equip the m9 and do running shots all the way up. You don't need to use stuns like in this video, that's a more advanced strat that takes a lot of practice to learn the timing. Watch this video link for an example of me mostly just using the m9 and still having plenty of life at the end. It really is easy once you learn how to knock out the guards at the beginning, and then keep moving after that point all the way to the top. Here's the other example I mention: ua-cam.com/video/oQVRk7vYqIk/v-deo.html
@@Wallguy hi thanks for the help and effort to explain this to me. I appreciate it :)
Gonna check out the link u mentioned.
Cheers!
ssshhhhhhh
They could have have us this instead of the MGS1 we got from the master collection
Maybe in Vol. 2, we can dream. :(
What happened to you dude?
What do you mean friend? I'm right here. :D
Patriot
Thank you sir. You. are a patriot. :)