How to Tell if a Magic the Gathering Card is Fake
Вставка
- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- Use affiliate code: 8THPLACEDAVE, for 5% off your purchase at Face to Face Games: bit.ly/F2F8ThPlaceDave
Custom tokens from @Snugtheamazing / snugtheamazing
Subscribe to Snug! / @snugtheamazing
The 8thPlaceDave and Snug Store! snuganddave.square.site/s/shop
Sub to my gameplay channel here! / @8thplacedavetv
Need gaming supplies? Use my affiliate link for Dragon Shield: dragonshield.com/?ref=8thPlac...
Come join my discord server here: / discord
Follow me on Twitter! @Dave8th / dave8th
And also Instagram! / 8thplacedave
If you would like to support the channel, my Patreon is here: / 8thplacedave
You can also support the channel by buying merch here: 8thplacedave.creator-spring.com/
For inquiries, send emails to: dave8thcontact@gmail.com
00:00 Intro
01:17 Light Test
03:50 Feel/Shine
05:10 Weight
05:39 Compare Same Printings
06:32 Green Dot Test
09:53 Holofoil Stamp
10:42 Rip Test/Core
12:48 Recap
#mtg #magicthegathering - Ігри
One good indicator of fake cards is that they try to sell you 4 packs of 15 cards for a thousand bucks.
15 random cards
BA-ZING!!!
Imagine someone fakes those and sells them no one will ever know
@@gingyplays9843 they have little stamps on them
1100-1200 tax included
Fake ones have that little mtg 30 stamp and the backs have a black lotus on them. Easy to tell.
Nice
I will be writing wotc’s obituary tomorrow because this was absolute murder
r/murderedbywords lmao
Yo don't let wotc see this comment. They won't survive 🤣
WTF😂😂😂
The real way you can tell a fake card from a real card, is the fake one has quality control and doesn't curl when foil.
yah all my foil lands are unplayable where as a fake foil is playable
I was checking out a few of my cards just this morning.
I'm legit blown away with how cool the little holographic stamp at the bottom of newer rares is! Shining a flashlight on it at different angles was pretty neat...I had no idea they had mana symbols!
They also have WIZARDS text pattern all over the hologram
The thing that gave the Liliana away for me were the colors, the ones on the left looked muted compared to the one on the right that looked clearly more vibrant.
I had the same feeling that something was wrong with the tone of the one on the left. But I couldn't be 100% sure that it was not the more vibrant one that were the problem.
Sometimes real cards have muted colours. More of a problem with newer sets though, and I find it's mostly the ones you get in those promo packs. Often have a much rougher texture than other cards, too.
He had us in the first half, not gonna lie
In the first half of that real holo foil Blood Crypt, right?
Buying a cheap loupe online was the best investment I ever made. Between the green dot test and inspecting the text on the front of the card, I feel a lot more confident about not falling for obvious fakes, at the very least.
There's also the bend test, although people are always scared to do it these days.
In the old days it was a sure give away. Fakes would crease, while real cards don't crease from bending in half - they just pringle and you can bend the opposite way to mostly "fix" it.
Of course, back then sleeves weren't even a thing yet
Nowadays I perform a green dot test, and check the rosette patterns
Most real Chronicles cards do not pass the bend test.
We used the bent test on ob nixilis from capenna and it doesn't pass it. (the american print is less reliable than the european one) but we stopped bent test since.
There's the blue line test on the sides too.
But how can magic cards be real when your eyes aren't real ?
Dude, your blowing my freaking mind 😵💫🤯
Whenever I’m worried about a card I will buy commons or other cheap cards from that set so I can do a more direct comparison. Some older cards I bought scared the crap out of me because little details are different from new cards
When Dave was showing the Red dot color test I was so confused as to why I couldn't see the red dotted among the other white and green dots,........ the I remembered I am red/green colorblind and I just literally can't see the dots in images/patterns like these lol
I have the same issue.. what I rely on in these examples is there just being more "activity" in the yellow area on a fake card. You can also look at the black circle and compare those.
Also, for newer cards with the “holo” stamp…if you look closely and with the right lighting under a Loup you can see “WIZARDS” printed all along some of the Planswalker symbols within it
I was going to say the same thing. Some of the fakes have started putting the text on their stamps as well, but the spacing is wrong from the ones I have seen.
Also noteworthy is that if you angle the holostamp a certain degree, the PW symbols disappear and are replaced with the mana symbols.
@@jayson.m Cant wait to see the fakes continue to improve, maybe if they improve enough we will see the price of real cards drop as the fakes pass in tournaments.
You don't even have to rip a card to determine if it has a blue core, just do the light test since as seen in the video the light will be blue if it has a blue core
Light test is entirely outdated for anything beyond rebacked cards as those will have glue spots. Virtually all playing card cardstock is either blue or blackcore now with blue core tending to be slightly less thick
@@zannothefox I've ordered a ton of current proxies from different sources, none of them pass the light test. I really think it's should be one of the first lines of defense, not your only tool, but it rules out most fakes right off the bat and is easy to perform without extra gizmos.
@@poultrylord7300 I have opened several Kaldheim Boosters and the ones from the Fat Packs have a really dark core (almost black) the ones from the Draft Display are like normal blue cores. You can see it even on the side of the cards when you put them in a box. The Fat Pack cards are much darker and really stick out. The light test is really just for getting a clue, not for being sure.
You mean that the Ur Dragon card with the Dragonite art that I bought is fake? Hm... damn...
You used to be able to see the difference in the darker colours of the fake cards, but Wizards has dropped the quality so much, that in some sets, different regions have different colour tints on the same card (War of the Spark comes to mind).
Another test that mtg judges told me about was the bending test. Supposedly, if you bend a real mtg card until the top touches the bottom, the card should have no damage on the fold. Fake cards should show signs of breaking. Again though, with the quality drop I'm not sure that real cards are sturdier than proxies anymore.
15:04 I believe the pattern the color dots are arranged in the brown is also quite different from an original card, looking for these kind of pattern differences can be a tell as well.
However I have to say as someone who never saw a real fake card it was very interesting to see how good many of these are.
When I proxy cards for my EDH decks I usually just print it on a relatively thin paper and slide it over some draft chaff. If I choose a good printing quality even that passes a quick glance in sleeves which makes it very convenient for playing since I think it's important to quickly recognize cards from across the table, proxy or not.
I miss the days when ALL Magic cards weighed 1.74 - 1.75g
Good vid, Dave!
I'm really proud I knew which lil was real from the beginning from the print quality 😁
Remember back in the day when you could straight up peel the front art part off of fake pokemon cards
Very informative, and I really like the live demonstration of the green dot test.
Something important to note regarding the waxiness/shininess of a card!!!: There are two core factory locations. The one in Japan makes the cards a lot smoother and slightly shinier than the others! This tripped me up hard, as I had some cards (and a box) that I thought might be fake because of this! The shininess also caused the light to not shine through as much.
I brought the cards to multiple stores and was told they were real
It is the same in europe, it is a belgian factory. I find the american cards more dry than the european one.
@@julienm1146 and also different weight !
same thing in cards purchased in France and Turkey but different on the ones I purchased in US
ok but you forgot to mention the muddy test or the pringle test - if the print is bad or the foils curved they're *definitely* wotc's work
Japanese print American cards from same set have more a wax feel, colors are different and light shine/glimmer is different. Also the security measure hologram on rare/mythic cards has the word wizard printed in it too if looking through jewelers loop.
good video! but also unless you're in an official event just buy proxies
cardboard is cardboard and you don't owe it to anyone to turn your money into hasbro's money. hell, give some to our beautiful proxy artists in the community
english cards printed in Japan (as opposed to Belgium) are generally more shiny
I played Throne of Eldraine sealed with my mates and had a mix of booster packs printed in Japan, and fat packs printed in Belgium, easy to compare them side by side
180 grams per card? Man, maybe that's why my magic backpack is so heavy
;)
I've noticed with the newer cards that since wizards is cheaping out on the print runs, they're a lot harder to distinguish from the fake ones.
Nice an clear video with lot of informations for beginners.
Usually the back is a better giveaway than the front. For example the outlines of the words and elements of the back of the fake lili are clearly more jagged. Usually the fake maker put more effort to copy well the front rather the back.
i like the bend test. bending the top and bottom together was always a good way to tell. real will not crease but fake will.
Thx for your in depth examples of spotting fakes Dave.
The card I got said this. Is it fake?
Lilly Anna of the Vale 1BB
Plainswalker - Lilly
[+1]: Each player destroys a card in their hand.
[-2]: Target player discards a creature from the battlefield.
[-6]: Divide all opponent's permanents as you wish into two piles, then that opponent chooses a pile and buries all permanents in the other pile.
There are also 4 black dot (diamond) patterns when looking at the brown with a loupe. They're colored circles/spots on fake prints.
This was very informative, thank you!
I have an Aetherflix Reservoir with the holofoil stamp stamped really deep into it. You can feel it not being flush on the front and on the back you can see it sticking out a tiny bit. It is a real card tho
If someone at the table is playing with fake cards, mention it after the game, and let them play it as is.
If you wanna play the game, recognize that not all the game pieces are readily available for the less fortunate. And as a kid who thought he got lucky buying a discount ur dragon, finding out i lost money, then getting kicked out of a game just sucked.
Especially for commander, its supposed to be a casual format
I've been using the green dot test ever since I started buying and I believe it hasn't failed me yet, however I am not sure how advanced in the detail counterfeits are getting. The light test varies widely from set to set though. Also I think you missed the bend test, but also not sure how reliable this is if counterfeits are more advanced.
I also noticed that the fake lilli also had a lighter tint to it. That's how i spotted it out
i only thought it was the one on the right because it looked darker, and a little crisper
I started doubting the light test, at least for recent cards, when I saw cards I purchased directly from Wizards secret lair wouldn't pass the test.
I mean, Wizard sent it directly to my mailbox. I don't see how a counterfeiter would have swapped the cards and sent me fakes instead.
I'm still curious--at what point does the distinction between the 'real' thing and a simulacrum matter?
The functionality is identical, so the the problem becomes one of publisher authenticity.
@WhenTheChipsAreDown I largely agree but to play devil's advocate here
1. Why do we put higher value on the printing done by WotC over whoever did the faked one, though? If you're willing to spend whatever amount of $$$ on a functional play piece, so long as it retains the function identically, is the 'authenticity' of the piece really worth the cost? I do think it is ethically foul to sell someone something and lie about its nature--I'm interested less about being lied to and more about the value of the thing itself, though.
2. If there is no physical difference between a fake and a WotC manufactured card, how can tournaments discriminate between 'fake decks and 'real' ones? What won you the tournament was your play and deck build, all of which can be executed regardless of print authenticity, right? As this channel touched on in the previous scammed video, those fake cards very likely saw play in many tournaments.
Should the hobby really be pay-gated in the secondary market? I enjoy busting packs as much as anyone but if I could play a booster draft without having to pay any money and just give away/throw away the cards afterwards I would play a lot more Magic.
If I have fakes that I don't know are fake, I just kinda want to never know. I don't sell cards I'm a hoarder
Another interesting thing about the green dot is that the right and bottom side of the black circle around the green dots are flat.
Yes, with 4 distinct negative space “dots” along it
You could reap off a cheap common to notice the difference of the core color too !
Could i just hold a lighter under the card and see if the smoke is white? Then it must be a fake, correct?
In the end it's all just cardboard and I don't care what factory they're from, as long as the cards look good. If the "fake" card is so convincing, then why even bother? With the Liliana cards, the right one had a darker print and the text looked clearer, but when sleeved, there's probably zero difference.
I really wanted to see you do a rip test on the last card. Even if it was the right card, it would have been cool to watch. Great Channel
Hello! What camera do you use to film it?
I hope you can do a sample comparison for Battlebond cards. Coz those cards are shiny and smooth as heck.
The fake Liliana's colours weren't as saturated and the printing looked just the tiniest bit blurrier so I guessed it correctly just by looking at them side by side...
However I don't know whether this is a reliable way to distinguish fake from real cards as there might be inconsistencies with the printing even if they're supposedly from the same set...
Don't bother with the bend test... it will eventually damage even real cards.
Also if you check the outline of the set symbol or the black lines in the mana symbols. If its solid then its real. If you see breaks/cracks its a fake.
Great video, thank you!
I remeber that collection video..🙈so brutal,still sorry for you,great video and great info
Do you happen to know if the front printing patterns are as consistent as the back ones? I recall a Store Owner showing a friend and me how to detect fake cards by looking with the magnifier glass around the text box.
The dots for the colors are arranged in a specific way so it's fairly consistent if you saw on this there was a different pattern used for the fake vs real for the dots
It can be good to examine the text on the front of the card -- the text in the text box should be crisp and clear, and should appear distinct from the background.
Not sure if it is the video but you can tell that the fake Liliana face is way brighter than the original one
Some of the legit foiling on double masters 2 cards looks so weird I thought the cards were fake. Some but not all foils have a matte rippley effect in the foiling.
If a fake is so perfect that it's indistinguishable from a real card, is it really a fake?
The Green Dot test you can easy do with just a photo with phone and zoom it ;)
I've got legit thoughtseizes from iconic masters, they are same set and if you sat with them both you'd swear one was fake however both are real. Green dot and light test passes however one has washed out colours, feels lighter, more waxy. Really strange how varied they are.
Same experience here, I have 2 whip of erebos which I opened in pack in legit events and bought are different on the color scheme and on the light reflection.
Really old cards like Arabian Nights were famous for having light and dark variants.
Interesting that you chose Liliana for this video. I ordered one from TCG player before prices came down and it just doesn't feel right. About a week later, I picked up another from my LGS which felt similar, but not exactly the same. Light test was inconclusive. Ordering a loupe from Amazon now to check that green dot.
results?
And how do you recognize them double sleeved and in mid tournament while your playing
Look.
If it doesn't come from a sealed booster from a sealed booster box from the official manufacture, it's fake.
This simple tip helped me a lot to curve my spending on fake (and real) magic cards.
Right one. Only said it assuming one was fake tho and the colors and blacks looked better on the right, in isolation I’d probably say they both looked fine, so go buy the $2.50 proxy
2.50 for a proxy is a very tall order
Does bend test still work?
are you sure that near mint Savannah Lions at the beginning wasn't real?
Now I am freaking out. I bought a Mikaeus the Unhallowed a few days ago for 14.92. And it is like 1.50 cheaper than the other sellers. Did I get ripped off? I bought it from Mainphase EVV.
Sorry, I can’t edit the video description ;)
;)
How about foils? Does the same test work on them? Do counterfeit foils even exist?
I have a few cards that are about... I wanna say a little under or over a sixteenth inch taller than most of my other cards. Could that be an indication that they're fakes?
I didn't really get the green dot test. Both looked identical to me. It's probably easier to notice in real life.
I agree that it is somewhat hard to see in the video but I can assure you that if you do it yourself the pattern is clearly noticeable and very distinct from the patterns found on counterfeits. There is also a bit more to the green dot test in that the black border of it is very noticeable, too. On a real card it is very solid and the right and bottom sides of the circle are actually "flat". This is not the case for faked cards
It's two things really the pattern of the printing dots and two the additional red in the green light point
With the green dot test there are issues aswell. Card from the Japanese printer sometimes don't have any red dots (or near invisible even with a loop). Japanese cards also feel and look very different and especially foil ones look different. But they are actually real.
I don't know how often they appear in the US. But in Europe some stores will actually get Japanese printed boxes and some people will call them fake which they aren't.
I kinda want to test my cards now, except all of my cards I opened from packs.
no rosette test?
Maybe all cards are real if you can hold them and they exist on the physical plane…
The trick I used when you showed lilianas, was looking black border. Obviously, only works on black border cards but real ones are really really black
You don't actually gotta rip the card for the core test, you can see it on the corners :)
Real cards are printed with an offset printer which first inks the cyan, yellow and magenta in a rosette pattern which approximates all the colors when viewed at a normal distance. The final pass is black. The black borderlines and text will be nice and sharp because no rosette pattern is neccessary on areas that simply need to be pure black.
Sharp text doesn't neccessarily guarantee it's real. But fuzzy text/borderlines are a sure sign it's fake.
Nice video! Fakes are all over, I've gotten 2 from TCGplayer seller's so far, so never assume the cards you're buying from someone else are always real!
Hi❤️ love these bro
i could tell the left liliana was fake from the color of the rarity symbol, even though i've never seen that card.
The real liliana had more resolution with the naked eye in the video.
Yes, the piece of cardboard with ink that is identical to the other piece of carboard with ink is "fake." What a joke.
Its a playing card game, not an "investment"
Light Test, weight Test and Green dot Test is everything you need^^
Almost 10 minutes and I’m still not sure if I’m being punked. Alls I know is that a guy on UA-cam is getting me to look real close at green dots, I get the feeling that any minute there will be a jumpscare…
Most tests are not conclusive on their own. Green dot test fails sometimes on legit cards. Sometimes the red L is too faint to see. The Urza's sets in particular are all over the place. Don't rip your legit Gaea's Cradle because the green dot test fails.
Rip/Core test showing how the first one had a core lmao.
light tests are now worthless. shine and feel are also largely worthless if the scammer knows what they are doing. a few passes of a magic eraser over chinese counterfeits will make the card feel identical to a real card. there is only 1 way to truly tell if a card is real or fake every time and its the green dot. because of this there is no reason to advertise or tell people to do anything other than go straight to the green dot test..
Plot twist, the Wrenn was fake all along.
Great video! The only downside is that the anti counterfeit stamp can fall out. I have a whole c16 commander deck missing all their anti counterfeit stamps.
Oh great, now I suspect all my cards are fake! Seriously, most of my cards came from booster packs many years ago, but lately I bought some singles from online retailers and I would notice some had huge variations in colors and brightness of the cards. It always made me worry that they were fake, but I just hoped that the major secondary market online sellers are not dishonest.
Look for 30th anniversary on the backside
this is definitely something that can easily be missed in a situation where you don't have enough time with the card so beware. Liliana fake seems to have i) less dark border and ii) a far less detailed set symbol also iii) less detail in the illustration esp the lighter portions of the image (flames+hands and Liliana's face) colors abit washed out. something to note
I knew the right Liliana was real because of it's set symbol being just a smidge dark in tone
Core color should be blue, green dot should have the L, feel of the card isn't as reliable anymore because japanese printings of the cards are "better" quality cardstock than US printers, the black letters should be printed both thick, and on a clearly separate layer. The set symbol should be crisp as well.
Something from experience. Fakes cards will either be easier or harder to tear than a normal magic card. Only a few cards were harmed in this learning.
where can I buy a fake one?
You need an inkjet printer, a laminating machine and matte photo paper
Sometimes it is insanely hard to tell, i have a couple fakes that were bleached cards (so the back of the card is real) that were then printed over. Almost impossible to tell that they are fake. I have these cards in decks where I don't want the real card there, like my mana crypt or my jeweled lotus, got them off of a dude who makes these cards for people. I have marked these cards though so that I don't ever accidently sell them if i dump my collection.
lmao the fake out.
"But on some sets"
he's gonna show double masters 2022, he's gonna show double masters 2022. Everyone knows he's talking about double masters 2022.
*Show wrenn and six*
Theeeeere we go who would've thought :D
Also some printings of MH2
Why this set in particular?
@@sportyeight7769 Becaause there are printed in japan not in USA
For info there is three big factory
Belgium , USA and JAPAN and you can see and feel the difference between the same card being printed by different factory making it harder to detect fake one .
@@sportyeight7769 because the suality was horrendous. Color weren't as sharp as other sets, foils were wrinkling and the paper felt really thin. Overall garbage quality for such valuable reprints
How do you tell a fake card from a misprint
The fake ones are easy to find because the quality is too high... 😂😂😂