I failed to save him the first time around (ME1) and straight up restarted a playthrough so I could. I will drop Ashley and freaking Liam (Andromeda) before I ever let this mad bastard die before he could see his dream of a Krogan future.
@@austinguthrie5528 I failed to save him once. Then adjusted my playthrough style. I've done runs through the trilogy with Ash surviving, and with Kaiden. Find Ashley to be less useless, and less annoying in the long run
Only the first version of the genophage was being adapted to. The second was refined so they couldn't adapt to it. The issue with the second version was that it was created because the STG went looking for the data that would prove the Krogan would be a problem. They had a end result already in mind ao just looked for ways to justify the actions they wanted to take.
@brianwhite9339 sort of yes. The issue is that the Krogan didn't know they were adapting so still thought they were dying off. It isn't clear if Wrex was told this by Mordin when he was told about the cure.
I have a lot of respect for the Krogans. Their biology and psychology make them great warriors, but without something to fight, they struggle to live in peace. I like to think they get a second chance at the end of ME3
The problem with the idea of the Genophage restoring the Krogan birthrate to pre-industrial levels is it requires a much more hospitable planet, which Tuchanka isn't.
Correction: While Tuchanka is not and never has been a particularly hospitable planet, pre-industrial Tuchanka was likely very similar to pre-colonial Central and South America. The in-game codex has an entry that Tuchanka was once covered in dense jungles containing all the associated protections and perils. But more than that, krogan physiology was inspired by toads, which have a very high infant mortality rate. By the simple math of attrition from resource availability, predation and the elements, only 200 out of every thousand young will survive infancy; of those 200, between 35 and 60 will survive to adulthood. Such a high birth rate was a necessary adaptation by pre-industrial krogan to offset the number of young they lost to predators. Though it's never stated in the lore, we can infer that between 40% and 60% of the eggs in a given clutch were lost before they hatched to any number of factors. So making the point that Tuchanka isn't a hospitable planet is redundant.
@@justindurfee9375 One, I already know about Tuchanka having once been a more hospitable planet. Two, the planet is inhospitable to most lifeforms, not the pre-industrial/pre-Genophage Krogan, but after the Genophage was released, it easily condemns the Krogan to extinction based on what the Salarians think will happen once again. Under Wreav, the Krogan would once again threaten the galaxy. Under Wrex, any male Krogan that would think of such a thing is not likely to last long.
@@justindurfee9375plus their lifespan is insane, only thing you’d really need to worry about after the genophage is gone, is planetary carrying capacity
Straight away, shout out to Urdnot Wrex and Bakera. Although a good krumpin fight does sound easier than thinkin. These two are the prime example of being more than their phenomally deadly nature.
I don’t know how I missed this video when it originally dropped. SO good! I’d never seen that scene where Wrex confronts Sheppard. I’ve never been able to bring myself to betray them in all these years of playing the game
The krogan city of the ancients was one of my favorite parts of ME3. That and Ilos in ME1 just had me staring in awe at the scenery, wishing I could explore all of it
Hard world makes for hardy people. And Krogen are very hardy. It's the hardy and strong species in sci-fi that I enjoy a lot. Brutes and Elites in Halo, Orks in 40k, Krogen in Mass Effect, all of them are really cool and I like and respect them a lot. I still feel that the Krogen didn't deserve the genophage, no species deserves a slow miserable extinction, no matter how violent or aggressive they are.
The Krogans didn’t deserve the long last suffering of the Genophage and the slow death of their species, and that not including their own sense of despair and belief that many will never see a future for their species.
My take always was: If Eve and Wrex are alive then the Krogan get the cure but if not then they don't. I think that not only are the Salarians hypocrites for trying to stop Shepard when they did the same thing to stop the Rachni but even if the Krogan go rouge down the line then at least there will be a galaxy left for them to go rouge in.
I’d love for the next game to be about everyone being the enemies. I know this won’t happen but I can see there being a huge power struggles after the reapers where defeated, the Krogan start to become warlike, the Salarians start acting on their own to curtail the krogan advance but they do I by destroying planets. The Turians have another civil war which sees large chunks of its military split off to form new empires and the Asari fall to the their darkest urges and decide that everyone should live under their thumb or die. Oh and humans, while not necessarily trying to be bad, either stay out of the fighting or works to grab as much land as possible during the chaos. And it’s up to Shepard and a few squad mates (new and old) to figure out how peace can prevail once again only to discover that their is a shadowy faction that has infiltrated the ranks of each races governments to instigate all this. And separate from all this would be an even smaller story line that hints at something else that everyone should be afraid of.
You forgot how Krogan get their names. The males get drunk and start a Belching contest. Whatever sounds like a word ends up becoming the child’s name.
I always used to think that when Krogan talk about being "a quad" it was referring to how they have secondary and tertiary redundant organs, you must be really tough and you've got a quaternary redundant organ. The Krogan are the most interesting race in Mass Effect, maybe there's just something about the idea of a warrior race that really gets writers all on the same page. The lore about Krogan and biotics doesn't really fit with the story ingame, since nobody ever talks about Wrex's biotics, but then a lot of biotic lore doesn't really get acknowledged much by the dialogue at all.
800lbs, 632 kilos... What? One pound is 454g, a kilogram is (as the name implies) 1000g, so a kilogram is approximately 2.2lbs. 632kg is nearly 1400lbs.
I was just listening to this video instead of watching and didn't see that the text on the screen shows 362kg. It appears to be a simple reading error. Edit: typo.
I don’t care if it’s hippie goodie two shoes bullshit: no species deserves to die by despair, and Wrex had learned how to control the Krogan and devote their efforts toward non-violent practices anyway. They deserve the same thing every thing else in this wide and wonderful universe deserves: a Chance. What they do with their civilization is in their hands, but I believe wholeheartedly that they’d never go back to their old ways of violence for violence’s sake after seeing how low it brought them during the final days of the modern era.
@@fadelsukoco3092 so you cure them, allow their population to go out of control, then control said population by killing thousands or millions of them through your Reaper? Ok, sure, but you might as well be the 'bad' guy and just not cure the genophage, instead of kinda going full villain on them.
@@TheCorrodedMan I think you're confusing the genophage with a genocide. It's population control, not extermination. Just like nature has predators so prey don't overpopulate and end all the plant life. Wrex is only one krogan, and krogan nature is what it is. Even through non-violent methods they need to be expansionists. Just think of us humans. We had a world war that killed a lot of people in awful ways, and made many more suffer as well. What did we do a couple decades later? How many times have we learnt that war is awful? And yet how many wars have there been through out human history? And that's us humans, who are actually quite good at rationality. All of the krogans we meet in ME are impulsive and aggressive. For how long could they supress it? How long til some charismatic leader puts them back in a path of war, which aligns much better with their culture and history? The best solution for everyone is to keep their population in check. That's how the galactic ecosystem stays safe. Maybe the genophage should be adjusted so that they have it easier to reproduce. But removed completely? Nah, that would only ensure deep trouble down the line, sooner or later.
@@fadelsukoco3092 so you cure them, allow their population to go out of control, then control said population by ending thousands or millions of them with your Reaper? Ok, sure, but you might as well be the 'bad' guy and just not cure it, instead of kinda going full villain on them.
Pre-revolutionary numbers worked when the Krogan were only on one planet, now that they have the entire galaxy at their disposal these numbers are too small to maintain the population, especially when not all women are fertile.
Krogan are like WH40K Orks but naturally evolved and who are intelligent in a conventional manner, as opposed to the selective genetic knowledge of the Orks." There, I fixed it for you.
@@fadelsukoco3092 nah orks have one joke that though funny means they are relegated with tyranids to the fodder faction. Like they are fun but they never get to do anything.
Big question, why would you want to betray Wrex? He's one of the most straightforward companions ever
People do dumb shit. I never betray him, though. I respect his straightforward ways
Exactly, I never betray Wrex, regardless.
Right, Wrex is a great character, i would never betray him. Now Wreav on the other hand...😈
I failed to save him the first time around (ME1) and straight up restarted a playthrough so I could. I will drop Ashley and freaking Liam (Andromeda) before I ever let this mad bastard die before he could see his dream of a Krogan future.
@@austinguthrie5528 I failed to save him once. Then adjusted my playthrough style. I've done runs through the trilogy with Ash surviving, and with Kaiden. Find Ashley to be less useless, and less annoying in the long run
Only the first version of the genophage was being adapted to. The second was refined so they couldn't adapt to it. The issue with the second version was that it was created because the STG went looking for the data that would prove the Krogan would be a problem. They had a end result already in mind ao just looked for ways to justify the actions they wanted to take.
In other words they crushed their hope.
@brianwhite9339 sort of yes. The issue is that the Krogan didn't know they were adapting so still thought they were dying off. It isn't clear if Wrex was told this by Mordin when he was told about the cure.
@@adventwolfbane There is only one word to describe this adaptation. Hope
@brianwhite9339 if they had been aware of it yes it would be hope. But they didn't know about it at all.
I have a lot of respect for the Krogans. Their biology and psychology make them great warriors, but without something to fight, they struggle to live in peace. I like to think they get a second chance at the end of ME3
The Rebellions would have never happened if the Concel offered them membership or the title of Specture.
Same I truly do respect them if it wasn’t for them we still would of have been facing the rachni an they warriors at heart an straightforward
The Joe Krogan Experience.
oo-oo-ah-ah!
Are reapers really the bad guys or is it the shadow council?
Hey Sheppard have you ever tried dmt
Joe Kaiden
Instead of being obsessed with gorillas he’s obsessed with thresher maws
The krogan were a proud people once. We once had two Mc Donalds. TWO! AND a Ken-taco-hut!
An ancient city greater than Rome!
@@brianwhite9339 the Pinnacle of Society. You know you made it when you have a Ken-Taco-Hut. Its Goku's favorite restaurant so therefore it's great
@@raycavazos8927 I came up with the idea that they were the best blacksmiths in the galaxy!
Truly a civilization unmatched
@@ShineyFace1337 Amazing!
The problem with the idea of the Genophage restoring the Krogan birthrate to pre-industrial levels is it requires a much more hospitable planet, which Tuchanka isn't.
Correction: While Tuchanka is not and never has been a particularly hospitable planet, pre-industrial Tuchanka was likely very similar to pre-colonial Central and South America. The in-game codex has an entry that Tuchanka was once covered in dense jungles containing all the associated protections and perils.
But more than that, krogan physiology was inspired by toads, which have a very high infant mortality rate. By the simple math of attrition from resource availability, predation and the elements, only 200 out of every thousand young will survive infancy; of those 200, between 35 and 60 will survive to adulthood. Such a high birth rate was a necessary adaptation by pre-industrial krogan to offset the number of young they lost to predators.
Though it's never stated in the lore, we can infer that between 40% and 60% of the eggs in a given clutch were lost before they hatched to any number of factors. So making the point that Tuchanka isn't a hospitable planet is redundant.
@@justindurfee9375 One, I already know about Tuchanka having once been a more hospitable planet. Two, the planet is inhospitable to most lifeforms, not the pre-industrial/pre-Genophage Krogan, but after the Genophage was released, it easily condemns the Krogan to extinction based on what the Salarians think will happen once again. Under Wreav, the Krogan would once again threaten the galaxy. Under Wrex, any male Krogan that would think of such a thing is not likely to last long.
@@justindurfee9375plus their lifespan is insane, only thing you’d really need to worry about after the genophage is gone, is planetary carrying capacity
Straight away, shout out to Urdnot Wrex and Bakera. Although a good krumpin fight does sound easier than thinkin. These two are the prime example of being more than their phenomally deadly nature.
Krogan Renaissance only Wrex could achieve that.
I don’t know how I missed this video when it originally dropped. SO good! I’d never seen that scene where Wrex confronts Sheppard. I’ve never been able to bring myself to betray them in all these years of playing the game
"Sunny Tuchanka" as they say...
Krogan’s are one of my most favorite alien species of all time!
I hope the next to alien species to cover are the Batarians and the Zeltrons. Anyway, I like the video it was very wonderful to hear. 😎❤👍🏾
The krogan city of the ancients was one of my favorite parts of ME3. That and Ilos in ME1 just had me staring in awe at the scenery, wishing I could explore all of it
The Krogon are one my favorite Mass Effect alien species next to the Elcor
I am enjoying the mass effect videos keep them coming
Hard world makes for hardy people. And Krogen are very hardy. It's the hardy and strong species in sci-fi that I enjoy a lot. Brutes and Elites in Halo, Orks in 40k, Krogen in Mass Effect, all of them are really cool and I like and respect them a lot.
I still feel that the Krogen didn't deserve the genophage, no species deserves a slow miserable extinction, no matter how violent or aggressive they are.
Are you going to do the angarans or the Kett?
I’ve been waiting for this😁👍
The Krogans didn’t deserve the long last suffering of the Genophage and the slow death of their species, and that not including their own sense of despair and belief that many will never see a future for their species.
They kinda did tho
My take always was: If Eve and Wrex are alive then the Krogan get the cure but if not then they don't. I think that not only are the Salarians hypocrites for trying to stop Shepard when they did the same thing to stop the Rachni but even if the Krogan go rouge down the line then at least there will be a galaxy left for them to go rouge in.
I’d love for the next game to be about everyone being the enemies.
I know this won’t happen but I can see there being a huge power struggles after the reapers where defeated, the Krogan start to become warlike, the Salarians start acting on their own to curtail the krogan advance but they do I by destroying planets. The Turians have another civil war which sees large chunks of its military split off to form new empires and the Asari fall to the their darkest urges and decide that everyone should live under their thumb or die.
Oh and humans, while not necessarily trying to be bad, either stay out of the fighting or works to grab as much land as possible during the chaos.
And it’s up to Shepard and a few squad mates (new and old) to figure out how peace can prevail once again only to discover that their is a shadowy faction that has infiltrated the ranks of each races governments to instigate all this.
And separate from all this would be an even smaller story line that hints at something else that everyone should be afraid of.
I dare you to do a Krogan Clan video!!!
You forgot how Krogan get their names. The males get drunk and start a Belching contest. Whatever sounds like a word ends up becoming the child’s name.
He didn't you missed it
I always used to think that when Krogan talk about being "a quad" it was referring to how they have secondary and tertiary redundant organs, you must be really tough and you've got a quaternary redundant organ.
The Krogan are the most interesting race in Mass Effect, maybe there's just something about the idea of a warrior race that really gets writers all on the same page. The lore about Krogan and biotics doesn't really fit with the story ingame, since nobody ever talks about Wrex's biotics, but then a lot of biotic lore doesn't really get acknowledged much by the dialogue at all.
I can just
Imagine someone burping really damn loudly and Wrex thinking it was his name being called
800lbs, 632 kilos... What?
One pound is 454g, a kilogram is (as the name implies) 1000g, so a kilogram is approximately 2.2lbs.
632kg is nearly 1400lbs.
I was just listening to this video instead of watching and didn't see that the text on the screen shows 362kg. It appears to be a simple reading error.
Edit: typo.
*next galactic threat unless you made the right choice and not the sentimental, hippie goodie one ;P
It could also work if you choose the Control ending after curing the Genophage for all the extra war assets.
I don’t care if it’s hippie goodie two shoes bullshit: no species deserves to die by despair, and Wrex had learned how to control the Krogan and devote their efforts toward non-violent practices anyway. They deserve the same thing every thing else in this wide and wonderful universe deserves: a Chance. What they do with their civilization is in their hands, but I believe wholeheartedly that they’d never go back to their old ways of violence for violence’s sake after seeing how low it brought them during the final days of the modern era.
@@fadelsukoco3092 so you cure them, allow their population to go out of control, then control said population by killing thousands or millions of them through your Reaper?
Ok, sure, but you might as well be the 'bad' guy and just not cure the genophage, instead of kinda going full villain on them.
@@TheCorrodedMan I think you're confusing the genophage with a genocide. It's population control, not extermination. Just like nature has predators so prey don't overpopulate and end all the plant life.
Wrex is only one krogan, and krogan nature is what it is. Even through non-violent methods they need to be expansionists.
Just think of us humans. We had a world war that killed a lot of people in awful ways, and made many more suffer as well. What did we do a couple decades later? How many times have we learnt that war is awful? And yet how many wars have there been through out human history?
And that's us humans, who are actually quite good at rationality. All of the krogans we meet in ME are impulsive and aggressive. For how long could they supress it? How long til some charismatic leader puts them back in a path of war, which aligns much better with their culture and history?
The best solution for everyone is to keep their population in check. That's how the galactic ecosystem stays safe. Maybe the genophage should be adjusted so that they have it easier to reproduce. But removed completely? Nah, that would only ensure deep trouble down the line, sooner or later.
@@fadelsukoco3092 so you cure them, allow their population to go out of control, then control said population by ending thousands or millions of them with your Reaper?
Ok, sure, but you might as well be the 'bad' guy and just not cure it, instead of kinda going full villain on them.
Right off the bat, *SSSHHHEEEPAARRRD!*
Great video as always. I should go.
It hurts my soul knowing that there's an option to kill wrex, to lie to him to betray him!
Please🙏! make video on Tambour species complete breakdown, please🙏! I requesting🙏 you.
11:12 It gets so old hearing the narrator read the dialogue, then play the dialogue.
Come on, stop being a mimic and create!
Ngl the title “Battle Master” sounds like a children’s card game from the 00s
And I thought the Klingons had the most balls.
Please make vids about Tom Clancy's universe such as Ghost Recon, Rainbow 6 & Splinter Cell?
These belching contests sounds like an awesome excuse for the devs to get high on beer to name their Krogan Characters.
pleas talk me im not the only one that said "whassup" at the beginning of this video
Frogs? They're space turtles
Wouldnt the genophage only egfect the krogan on tachunka
Next galactic threat and youre not talking about the Yahg?
I AM KROGAN!!!
What is the game name?
Is it star wars even?
Pre-revolutionary numbers worked when the Krogan were only on one planet, now that they have the entire galaxy at their disposal these numbers are too small to maintain the population, especially when not all women are fertile.
Hedge-uh-Moe-knee
Look and sound like elites
Really hope mass effect 5 is out in the next year
Korgan are like WH40K Orks but not suck.
SAYS 40K ORKS SUCKS = OPINION IMMEDIATELY INVALIDATED!!!!!
Krogan are like WH40K Orks but naturally evolved and who are intelligent in a conventional manner, as opposed to the selective genetic knowledge of the Orks."
There, I fixed it for you.
@@fadelsukoco3092 nah orks have one joke that though funny means they are relegated with tyranids to the fodder faction. Like they are fun but they never get to do anything.