I think the biggest takeaway is we all need balance. You don’t have to buy everything that is put out there, but you also shouldn’t feel bad for enjoying the products you like.
@@lejluminati4832Individual waste isn't even a drop in the ocean to the waste made by big corporations. Yes, we should find ways to reduce our daily waste but feeling guilt to the point of not enjoying anything at all and being depressed and guilty about it is not right either.
@@TaoMokshaback in my broke broke days, when I’d go to Sephora I’d always ask for a sample of my favorite perfume bc they give it to you in a lil baby spray bottle, and those would last me 6 months!
@@adaliaalvarez7269I get a lot of my minis from Sephora’s points thing, both using points and getting birthday gifts. Usually the 500 point items and birthday gift sets are little kits of 3 items, and I have been using the Moroccan oil/farmacy/urban decay/biossance/fresh etc sets as my main products for years now. I only buy things that I buy in mini form several times first. Oftentimes the sets surrounding sale events are the way to go
That is exactly what it is. Congratulations. You are now free from the matrix . Now, to continue on, you need to develop other critical thinking skills, if you haven’t already. But right now, you’re ahead of the curve!
I only buy what I need. It is a convenient way to shop, but I'm always careful that the product is from the actual brand, and not a third party seller.
It is. We don’t always look at that as commercials but that’s exactly what it is. TikTok’s & shorts are commercials, including the things that aren’t ads directly by the company. I went on Pinterest last week to try to get costume inspo & was so sad it’s ALLLLLL ads. It’s not a creative space anymore, more like a magazine you can click on. It’s gross!
I do think this 12 to 24 months expiry for eye shadow palettes is ridiculous! I have so much makeup that I might not touch a palette for that long. I agree that liquids and especially mascara should be tossed more frequently. Since they put a year expiration date on EVERYTHING nowadays probably to cover themselves legally, that seems to scare people into unnecessary repurchases. Tips to go by is if it looks off, smells off or no longer works, or is walking on its own, toss it. 👍🏼😂
Agreed. There are powder products I've had for ages that still work just fine. Otoh, I rarely buy full size mascaras since the minis last me three months and I won't keep one longer than that.
My understanding is that brands pay to have the products’ quality tested for different durations, so sometimes they’ll pay to the point of demonstrating a 12-month shelf life then just leave it at that. Which is understandable but frustrating!
@@Temptthedevilmini sized mascaras are actually the only way to go, the amount of product is enough to last until you have to throw it out & get a new one
Agreed. For powder products there is nothing wrong with using them 2+ years. I am 50 and up until recently, expiration dates were not things that we heard anything about. I think it’s convenient for the brands because people buy more often even if there is nothing wrong with the product. We used what we had till it was gone period.
Shopping addict here. Embarrassing to admit that I am in credit card debt because of it too. I’ve finally deleted all social media apps except UA-cam to limit ads, I deleted all my shopping apps too like Etsy, Amazon, target etc…I’ve paid off a couple thousand the last few months so I’m finally feeling less anxious. It’s still so tough to keep myself from impulse buying though.
Super proud of you! Detoxing from that in this day and age is so tough I bet. I’ve never had a full blown addiction but I definitely could’ve gotten to that point. Something that I started doing to help was badazzling my makeup or re organizing my makeup so that it all feels new. Idk if this will help you but even if it doesn’t, good luck to you and take it one day at a time❤
Facts. Also i recommend investing in a make up sanitizing spray. It is great to keep extending the life of your powders. I use the BeautySoClean cosmetic sanitizer mist. If you find a cheaper option let me know cause I called it an investment for a reason lol.
Oh and disposable applicators for liquids! I get use bc I get sick often and don’t want to be throwing away lipglosses or liquid lipstick out that often.
That part. I was buying a pressed setting powder that Kosas has in minis, but select shades. I preferred the smaller size & price just knowing the 9.5 gram full-size would likely stick around for years. Also for trying out new things. It’s rare for me to return makeup, but what if the full-size didn’t work out for me? It’d be a waste for either me or Sephora
Yes!!! Was just about to say this. Especially foundations. I wear makeup daily, but only wear foundation like 5 times a year, and i’m sure many people do not wear foundation often. We need more smaller sized bottles of these!
not just this but it would be nice to be able to use up make-up BY the expiration date. I am tired of throwing away make-up that isn't gone because it has expired! 😭Please no one tell me it is no big deal. I have eczema and a good bit of allergies and the LAST thing I need is to have my eczema get worse OR AN ALLERGIC REACTION! So yeah I have been going without make-up due to saving money because I am tired of throwing foundation and so on away when the year is up. So frustrating...
@@narwhallllll8475 I once had a tester from maybelline for a foundation and it was fantastic!! They are small bottles, and lasted me a decent time. Wouldn’t kill them to sell them, as they make them in smaller packaging anyway for stores as testers!
I think a lot of people still haven't fully connected the dots on the fact that an influencer's collection of makeup (or clothing, etc) is used for work. We don't hire a carpenter and then go out and buy one of every tool we saw them use. We don't watch a TV show about the restaurant industry and think, "An industrial fryer is EXACTLY what my home kitchen needs!" I don't want to emulate an influencer's huge collection, but I DO want to benefit from it by listening to someone make comparisons between shades and across product lines.
Yes! And another thing is, a lot of them started out super relatable, not having tons and tons of products, PR wasn't as huge. You could reasonably have what they have, but then they get bigger and bigger and have more and more, and you're like keeping up with them - except you don't get PR like they do now and you don't make my money from it. Lol - or maybe that's just my personal journey of watching the makeup community for a decade lol
That's so hard for me. I have so much makeup from a couple years ago that I've barely, if ever, used and am having a hard time splitting with it. Same with clothes.
Wash and send packaging through PACT! Minimizing clutter of old products and minimizing spending on new products should go hand in hand with properly recycling packaging.
I have a hard time with it too...but I feel so much better when I'm free if the clutter. I'm still working on it though and it is hard to get rid of some things. (Not just makeup but other stuff)@@Temptthedevil
I am absolutely a shopping addict. It’s taken me time to accept it but I used to do beauty- found myself in that declutter and acquire cycle. I’ve had to stop watching everyone who does them which is unfortunate because I love a lot of creators who review stuff as they declutter. But it absolutely triggers me to try new things, buy new things. It’s so sad, but I think most beauty content is just glorified shopping addiction. The death of real makeup tutorials also makes me sad. It’s so saturated, but also I know for a fact the algorithms DONT push them anymore. It sucks.
Also getting PR kind of sucks, imagine how overwhelming it is to get a whole range of a lipstick collection. I thought it was the dream, once it happened to me I just wanted it to STOP. Even when I opted out my address would be sold or just given to parent companies and packages would still show up. It’s not the dream we think it is.
This is silly but I'm like that but with plants specifically. Every time I'm like "Okay, we're passing and ignoring the plant selection" I always find myself having to fight myself to not look, and when I do look and can't find a plant I want, I still feel the itch to just buy a plant, even if I don't like it, just to satisfy an itch- Which is really stupid, because buying plants I don't like doesn't actually satisfy it. And if it's not a plant, it's some kind of plant product. Like, I currently have the *fattest* itch to transition my plant collection over to semi-hydroponics and it is *not* leaving, which is really annoying because I don't have the money to buy the blend I want, and if I ever do get the money to do that, I know I'm gonna be struggling with purchasing more plants, because it's supposed to make plant care a lot easier on top of making them grow better. I mean, it makes some sense, because buying plants and growing medium for me is the equivalent of buying pens, pencils, paints and paper for an artist, but when a hobby takes up so much space, it becomes an absolute battlefield when it comes to keeping your house in working condition, and keeping yourself entertained.
I fear I kind of did that with hair products, but I did end up using the products so I guess it wasnt wasteful for me. But it can be hard to get out of the cycle of buying things, recently I had to convince myself but also I think when I feel like I have enough I just stop wanting to buy things. Like I have the makeup I want, so I don't feel like buying more unless my current makeup runs out Id want to buy more or a better alternative
The more I see videos about tiktok trends, the more I feel so glad about having never downloaded the app or looked for content from it.😅. I developed my obsession with beautiful nail polish from scratch.😂🤣😂 Honestly, let’s just live within our means-whatever that looks like for us, individually.🤷🏾♀️
You can use the app for other types of content! I used to have it for social topics only. Some people have it for dog videos. So yeah, you can definitely stay away from beauty influencers (I uninstalled it anyway but that's another story).
i wanted to highlight robert's dedication to accessibility here. i'm so happy that you continue to have bespoke subtitles, when next to nobody else bothers with any or simply relies on the flawed google autocaptions. as a person with hearing problems, thank you so so much.
Once opened mascara should be thrown out 2-3 months! Otherwise puts you at risk for conjunctivitis, stiyes etc. I also buy travel sized mascara because it’s cheaper and there always seems to be enough to last me.
@@nikkismith2858 I use a Mascara usually for a year and i never had any issues with my eyes. But the idea with the minis is for good, especially with mascara ones because the minis often have a better formula.
I truly appreciate Robert's (and James's!) content so much because they mix their areas of expertise with a healthy dose of media literacy. Come for the makeup tips, stay for a crash course on critical thinking.
I’ve always had an issue with how influencers have used the term “over consumption”. When you have 60 foundations and you continue to buy 1 every month - that’s not over consumption. That’s compulsive spending.
Yes, this! It's the same with the people who buy all of the trinkets and random stuff for their Stanley cups. I think they're just compulsive shoppers.
Wjat would you consider an example of over consumption then? I just think it's another way to word it. Like how "clean girl makeup" is the same as "no makeup makeup" 😂
@@nancykerrigan I like to compare over consumption to over-eating at a buffet. Your eyes are too big for your belly, and your excitement is too much for your rate of usage. So you're buying more than you're actually using.
@@banheesos And hoarding is a form of storage, but you wouldn't call hoarding "storing things". Same thing with over-consumption vs compulsive spending. Over-consumption is when you buy two bottles of hairdye, because you thought you might need it, but only ended up needing the one. Compulsive spending is when you're buying every bottle of hair dye you can come across, even if you don't like the colour, just because you feel the need to. It's about your frame of mind. Calling compulsive spending "over-consumption" is an under-exaggerated, because you can always decrease your rate of consumption to make it normal, but compulsive spending comes from an underlying issue with your current situation, and not doing so can leave you feeling anxious or paranoid.
11:42 Robert mentions not buying things you don’t need- but for me personally I can’t look at it that way, because makeup is always a joy for me, not a need. I don’t need it, I want it and that’s ok. Not sure anyone will even see this comment- but if anyone else was getting hung up there- know that it’s okay to sometimes buy things because they bring you joy. I live pretty minimally but I still find space / funds for makeup on occasion. Just don’t over do it…ok byeeeee 😊
I do prefer this to overconsumption but I am tired of seeing everything be trends. Hopefully this means people wont consume more(I doubt it), but it feels like everything has to be done for attention Overconsumption for attention. Under consumption for attention. Like they cant just live and do things for themselves. I very much prefer this to overconsumption though, regardless of why it's being done.
Yeah, it's really annoying. Like, I'd preffer this, but you also know that this is eventually gonna become a competition, and eventually it's just gonna become this toxic situation due to people taking it too far, and then people are just gonna start over-consuming again out of spite, and it's just gonna become this repetitive cycle.
@@sandy_carpetsthesecond5013 I've seen a few of your comments on this thread and you seem like a very articulate, thoughtful and considerate person. 😊😎
Where it becomes dangerous I think is when people watch these videos and then get angry on other peoples videos saying OVERCONSUMPTION on like normal things lol. I’ve seen it, like someone has watched too many underconsumption core videos because someone will be like I’m doing seasonal decorating from stuff I have stored away in my house and the people come out in full swing insulting them for overconsumption and that’s not even overconsumption to me. Reusing things seasonally every year is kind of normal but I think certain trends make people watching the videos go mad.
This underconsumption core takes me back to 2010's minimalist videos. While some people were normal about it, there were videos where I, person with depression, could tell that the people in them weren't at the top of their mental health.
my dermatologist told me companies put expiration dates 2 years before they actually expire, for legal reasons just to be safe. it makes sense, theres no way powder blush/eyeshadow/etc goes bad after 12 months lol (i dont play w mascara and liquid eyeliner tho)
Yep, can confirm on the retail side even stuff that is about to 'expire' on the sales floor is good for at least 2 more years unopened and one year once opened, as long as something hasn't gone wrong somewhere. They're not gonna sell stuff that'd put them at risk like that. It's a reasonable expectation of time that you'd use a product for after purchase.
In engineering or building you also have where something's "max load" doesn't mean one more gram added and it's going to fail, it's backed off from where the actual failure point is found to be to create a buffer zone and increase safety. If companies were certifying things as okay right up to the very point that they're definitely not there would be a lot more accidents (or infections) and liability, so it can seem frustrating from the consumer standpoint, but does have some solid reasoning behind it
I strongly believe that buying Sephora brands which are a bit more expensive actually motivates me to use the product up and prevents me from buying dupes in the process of finding the perfect one
So I was absolutely addicted to buying makeup in my 20s. Even now I see all the new releases and want them, but I've finally reached a phase of realizing that I had way too much and wasn't using any of it. I barely leave the house these days, so my stuff just sits in waiting for the magical day I'm suddenly able to be out and about all the time. The last couple of years I've really tried to cut down on new purchases and to be more mindful of "do I need this or not?" and "will I use this?". I have been going through everything I own, one category at a time, and really take stock of what I have and try it all on. I ended up sending boxes of makeup (like more than four) to my cousins to share among themselves, and what I couldn't share after trying I finally allowed myself to just throw it out. Wrong color? Gone. Hate the smell? Outta here. Formula sucks? Trash. For so long I felt like it was a waste to throw stuff out, even stuff that was seriously old, but have finally reached the stage where I really only want to keep what I love. I still have a huge collection, and intend to test out my remaining products even further to help trim it down even more and make note of who's formula's I like the best.
10:50 This is how I consume makeup. My foundations don't last more than 2 years because I typically only have 2 or 3. But powder products last 4yrs. And as far as am concerned, eyeshadow is forever, until it's finished. I keep things sanitary and spraying with alcohol every once in a while helps. Never had any problem.
When I was *young* we had Caboodles for our makeup organization. They came in crazy combinations but you weren’t cool if you didn’t have a Caboodle. 🤷♀️
I think I had some kind of off brand one that was like, ‘free with purchase!’ at the mall. It was translucent blue with flecks of silver glitter in it 😄
I do have a crazy amount of cosmetics, and I ignore expiration dates if they even have any. My criteria for when products should be tossed - if the texture or color has changed; if they smell off; if I get any amount of irritation (which honestly doesn't happen). I mostly toss products that no longer work for me the way I want them to - which can be a me problem or a product problem, I don't know. Commercially made products that have preservatives can and should last a while. I wouldn't keep mascara for years, but then again, it won't perform as well as you'd want it to anyway if it is old. I have an obscene number of lip products as well, and rarely do they go off. If a lipstick gets weird, I toss it, of course. Powdered products, pressed or loose, I don't toss unless the texture changes and it becomes unusable. Powdered products won't spoil as they do not typically have any organic ingredients - at least not the ones I own. If I really do not like a product enough to keep using it, I will give it away rather than let it sit and rot.
Yes! My skin is super sensitive and I can feel if something has gone bad. The symbols on the packaging itself are usually wrong too if you use makeup carefully.
Yeah with cosmetics how you store them greatly influences the expiry date. I store my things in a dark, dry cabinet in my bedroom. All my perfume, body sprays, lotions, and lipstick are fine. But the other day my mum had to toss a barely three year old Tom Ford fragrance because she keeps her perfumes in the bathroom lol
I hadn’t heard of the underconsumption trend in the way you showed. Though I have heard of Project Pans. I’m a panner and I definitely use products past their ‘expiry’ date, however I don’t use products that have obviously gone bad. I think issues come about when people turn their makeup using habits into a way to look down on other people ie “I have a room of makeup so I am better than you” or “I have been using the same bronzer for 5 years so I am better than those that have rooms of makeup”.
My favourite blush, which I use on a weekly basis, is a Dior number from the mid-90s, and still use a Mac loose powder from the same era 😂😂😂 P.S. I have posted this comment before somewhere 😊
I have been a project panner since 2017. I love project panning and the project pan community. There's something really exciting about finishing a product and knowing you got your money's worth.
You’re absolutely correct. How often do you see an advent calendar where every item was something you’d already planned on purchasing? Never, because they don’t exist. I’d rather spend $500 on a handful of full sized favorites than 25 random minis that were never on my wishlist.
I have to say, your final point about luxury = overconsumption was incredible. I hadn't even considered that aspect of this trend. I do love the underconsumption trend because I am sucker for project pan content (or maybe I'm just nosey?), but your statement was quite eye opening for me, I wish you had discussed the luxury aspect of underconsumption core in greater length/depth, because I could listen to you talk about these topics for hours.
I'd love to see a series of 'keep or toss' where you go through all of your backlogged products and say if they're worth keeping or tossing and if there's a better comparison product instead. Narrow down the best of the best products you've had personal experience with while helping us figure out what's actually worth our money and keeping in a smaller collection.
I've been practicing under consummation since 2023. I had to really be honest with myself. I didn't need everything I owned. I have 20 plus eyeshadow palettes. I'm one person. I will never pan all of them. So I stopped. The pressure of not having to purchase was eye-opening! It made me feel free. I bought one palette this year. It feels great.
I’m actually really glad to hear someone talk about the low quality adverts. I’d really love to see you make a video on this! And how advertising (especially beauty advertising) has gone from something where a whole world has been built and a lot of work has been put into it, to lazy videos where some influencers are getting product names wrong, subtitles are saying the wrong thing, editing is bad. It actually puts me off buying things and I think this has contributed to the influencer fatigue on TikTok
I, personally, don't see buying luxury products as overconsumption. I don't buy a lot of products, but the few products I buy are quality products that work and bring me happiness in using/owning. That's my take.
That's just normal consumption. Like the average consumer. Overconsumption is buying in mass, collecting makeup quicker than you can use it and not for the purpose of display
I have eye shadows from the early 2000's that are still fine. I have mascara that is 10+ years old. Still works fine. I think companies say to throw stuff away to keep sales up. If you dont buy new stuff every 3-6months, how will they make their money?!?!
@@Cloudy_SkieZ1 I have a Mac lipstick that I bought in duty free in like 2012 It was the first luxury makeup item I'd ever purchased. It still smells fine. I think MAC is like the Twinkies of makeup
I have loads of make up that's old, blusher/eyeshadow, some lip. We're talking 20/30 years. All fine, never caused me an issue. Only bn used by me, not during any infection etc. If it looked/smelled/tasted bad I'd chuck it. Also mascara foundation, concealer, eye pencils, I'd chuck sooner than powder products
I have some older palettes, and I periodically open them up, and lightly mist them with alcohol to sanitize them. They are all still in good condition.
@@purplepixie274 The things I will replace sooner than later are mascaras, lip products, and foundation, but I go through a lot of foundation and mascara anyway as a working MUA.
People should try to do "no buy years", where you buy essentials, but it's challenged with using what you have until it finishes, so then you buy more. However, it doesn't mean using expired things.
Balance is one thing- but honesty is another. The people on UA-cam telling us to buy this or that - need to be honest and tell us that they are gifted items, have a dedicated budget for this and that the video or TikTok is actually work. There needs to be that disclaimer on every video. Many people do and I think it is great - but more need to do that. As for using make up past expiration dates - that is so personal- I recently discarded some makeup because it was a little off and I had no desire to see how irritated my skin would become. Had good years and it was still very clean. You need to do a series on how to keep make up clean. Some people open a palette and it is still as gorgeous as when they first opened it - and four colors have hit pan. Others are so messy I would open for fear of what is lurking inside. As for luxury consumption- that is a personal choice. But please don’t mortgage your house to pay for a Sephora haul because you saw it on UA-cam. Common sense please.
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I'm not against luxury products, and i don't see it as an overconsumption. IMO, having too many products is overconsumption. and if it it gives you joy to have a collection, why not! Just don't overdo it😊
Overconsumption and Underconsumption are super crazy, it’s weird seeing what trends can do to an everyday lifestyle or someone’s financial decisions :Þ
The lipstick cupboard 😍. This 55 yr old has gone back in time to rummaging through my best friend’s Aunt Avon testers as was a rep in the very early 70’s.
We had an Avon lady in the neighborhood when I was a kid. I LOVED when she would come for a visit! She would let me go through her case and test everything out. So much fun!
In the 80s I was so obsessed with those lip samples that I eventually became an Avon lady just to have access to buy them for myself.... And of course after a few years my account went to collections and uh 😬 to this day though no lip gloss has ever topped the glazewear gloss, especially in this one LE summer shade that the end sticker fell off of so I don't have the name of it... I still have the tube all these years to keep looking for a replacement of that shade!!
I do think some luxury beauty items fall into overconsumption because they are too expensive for what they’re worth and have excessive packaging but for the most part overconsumption is buying too much stuff
9:57 No judgments or anything but how does she know it’s the best bronzer ever if she’s not buying and trying other ones? I always see people say stuff like that and it always confuses me lol
Well with makeup counters and department stores, you can always try on products without purchasing so yes she could try others and in comparing them come to the conclusion that the one she has is still best for her
@@aesinam I mean I have a feeling she doesn’t even shop for makeup too often as she’s had that bronzer for 5 years and that highlighter(?) stick for 8 years lol. Plus (as someone who works at a beauty retailer) I would not recommend judging makeup products off of the testers in-store alone. Like sure trying them in-store can give you a somewhat of an idea of how they can perform, but you won’t be able to get the full experience. I’d say this is especially true for powders just because the oils from people’s skin when they swatch the testers can really mess up the surface of products
Great, as ever Robert (also, congrats on the new launch 🖤🥂) I just had a clear out of my 'beauty space'... spare room that the cats occupy. I dont know if it's an age thing, but I was much more ruthless in throwing away stuff and trying to minimise my collection of makeup and skincare. At 39 and 10 months, I know what I like and need now, and it is almost embarrassing to have such excess. It doesn't give me joy to see drawers and cupboards full of crap that I don't need or use. I am incredibly fortunate that I am in a position where I can splurge to try something, and if it doesn't work, my family and friends are very grateful ❤🎉
In 2023 I went to something where everyone attending was gifted a bag of products donated by the make up industry. There was a mascara from a brand that stopped existing around 2020 & an eyeshadow pallet from 2015. I still feel weird about it.
In the end of the day, like you said in the end of the video, it’s a ✨collection✨🥂. When friends and family tell me I have too much, specially as an excuse to ask me to give them something because it’s not humanly possible to use all of this stuff, it makes me so mad 😅 it’s a collection, lovelies! I keep a lot of stuff that I don’t even use anymore, but it’s part of a time of my life I wanna remember and I do more vividly when I touch the products and look at them. I collect makeup, some people collect other things. If I’m happy and I’m spending other people’s money, it’s fine ❤
I love the make up panning community here on YT and Insta💜 People are really very honest about their feeling and learning moments about products they've bought, decluttered and finished. It makes you think about your own shopping habits.
I was getting ready for a wedding with a group of bridesmaids. And one of them pulled out THE ORIGINAL chocolate bar pallet! She had the same one since it first came out. I was equally grossed out and impressed.
I realized I had a problem when i kept buying new products to ultimately end up with the same result i.e. same color or finish on the skin. I never finished anything until the next new thing came along. Now, I'm more conscious of what I buy and feel super accomplished for finishing something.
Thats a really great question!:Is luxury make up worth it when store make up has become so good? I had to think about that for a few minutes. Heres what Ive concluded: It depends on two things, your life style & pocket book. I live fairly isolated so I dont go out a ton. So, for me store make-up gets the job done. I only own 10 makeup products total. That said, there are still luxury brands that just have better pigments, wear & feel that are worth the price. // Your amount of makeup doesnt bother me at all. It hasnt changed your ethics . Youre always honest and down to earth. Plus, you donate/ give away and dont horde. Honedtly, compared to many Ive seen its reasonable because its the content you create and your Job. Excellent video!
I keep my make-up in an IKEA Helmer and I do have too much, as it's not all getting used, BUT I also use it for costume/cosplay and my friends/family use it too. So it's nice to have a selection XD (There's definitely some expired products in there, but I check everything and anti-bac it so I think I'm walking that tightrope well)
One way I have managed to curb the consumption is to remove some brands from my consideration, such as ones that test on animals etc. Eliminated many of the 'big brands' that way! Most everything I need I can find from Elf, Catrice, Essence, and other budget brands.
Newbie to your channel. As an OG UA-camr since 2006, I recently did a declutter because I became a fulltime caregiver for hubby who became disabled in 2017. When I mean all the stuff I had, and the regret, not of my purchases but that I didnt get to uses everything as much as I wanted because I had too much to use. Too many choices. And then I wasnt working at an office so I wasnt wearing makeup everyday like I used to. I mourned all those treasures. So I made some boxes to give away to some young ladies at church and my neices. I have decided to keep my purchases small, and use what I have because its awesome stuff!😂 I will keep giving away what I'm not using. If I see enough "pan" its going in the trash. I do believe one should be able to enjoy a luxury item if it makes you feel good and you can afford it, but within reason. I am striving for balance in all things. I actually find great joy in addordable dupes.🤷🏾♀️ Great video brought back memories of the UA-cam and IG Pan communities, I loved their videos.❤
I'm a hoarder but I have been trying to be more selective about what I keep and what I throw out, especially makeup. So glad to see that underconsumption core is a thing now :3
Thank you Robert for this video! ❤ Financially, this year has been devastating for my family. I will not buy things I don't need and especially if it's by L'Oreal. Mascara-gate took me tf outta buying L'Oreal for the rest of my life and I will never trust a Tiktoker again. Edit: I must add this, as a "mature skinned" woman, I have to have a good foundation and right now I am using Giorgio Armani's luminous silk and it feels great on my skin. I just can't do drugstore foundation but I will do drugstore everything else!
Robert you are so right. I feel most of the makeup artist on UA-cam could care less about the viewer but what they can sell to us for making more money. I finally came to my senses and stopped viewing so many of them. I try to find out who is genuine and stay with them. Common sense. Thank you for exposing this problem.
I think that what's appropriate is going to be different from person to person. You and I actually had the conversation a few weeks ago! We totally understand that our collections are not the norm, but we can afford it, or we're sent thing that we enjoy and we use. And if we don't love it or have no use for it, we pass it on.
I like having a few options for color tones (foundation, blush, etc.) depending on the season... I can't imagine using the same color of blush or bronzer for 2-4 years 😱 Besides hygiene, life is way too boring to not buy a new pallette or smthn every so often 😌💖 Definitely throw away old & expired mascara, lippies, creamy products, etc.!!
I’ve definitely increased my spending on makeup in the last 4 years. My whole collection used to occupy a small corner of my dresser, now the whole top of my dresser has makeup products on it and I have a small shelf in a closet as well. I don’t feel bad about it because doing my makeup is something I enjoy and it’s relaxing. Do I need all of what I have? Certainly not, but I’m also trying to be a little more mindful of what I purchase now.
Robert, is that's untidy, we need to see a video after you've sorted it. It looks fantastic. An organized system and clean area that works. Like you, it's authentic. And I love those clear organizers!
I will admit the only thing I regularly replace is mascara unless a product looks or smells a bit off 😂 Nail varnish I'm terrible for keeping way past expiry but I try to find unique colours so they're super hard to replace!
Nail polish doesn’t really go bad - the worst that will happen is the pigments might change or fade over time or it gets gloppy (which can be fixed with thinner and a good shake). This is coming from someone who has 600+ bottles 😉 I have a few 20 year old bottles in my collection that are still fine.
So proud of you doing this - I give away my unwanted products in our local ‘buy nothing’ Facebook group - that way someone else gets to enjoy the products I’m not using !! Rather than them just being thrown out I try to recycle as much as I can that I get rid of
I think the underconsumption core is just a trend. Most everyday people do this anyway, it’s just influencers trying to virtue signal and come across relatable since the met gala, out of touch blacklisiting trend of last year
That was this year… and I think it ended up backfiring really bad like that girl who started the whole digital guillotine thing ended up getting cancelled for some inane crap and the Met Gala lady was still running around with all the other New York influencers doing stuff that was a lot more problematic than not really getting Marie Antoinette (like she ended up faking a HIV scare because those multi part TikTok “who the hell am I…” serieses were blowing up and she wanted to get on the trend because that’s what you’re supposed to do, get in on every single trend in existence)
Also I find project panning very stupid because it weakens the powders and they become more prone to breakage, especially when you travel. I think it's to avoid, but still using to the fullest your products.
i used to hoard makeup and now i want to clean out my drawers because i feel cramped despite having thrown out so much old stuff already. i love having stuff but at a post it just gets TOO much
I’ve been using expired makeup for almost 30 yrs of wearing makeup, because I only ever throw makeup away when it’s empty or stinks. Never had a rash. People that have been broke understand.
Pleeease change ur mascara though! I’d gotten the worst infection in my eyes, that would heal & reappear in a different area & this went on for over 2 months. Plus I went through 2 different antibiotics 😢
Completely agree. I remember a flatmate when we were in our early student years adding alcohol based toner to a dried up mascara to make it go further! She got another 3 weeks use out of it but I REALLY wouldn’t try it myself!,😂😭
I've definitely been the odd man out. I've had at least one dresser for my makeup storage since I was about 17, and that was well before social media was even heard of, I've been a makeup addict, especially eyeshadow, since i was 12, and that was in 82, by 17 i used a 4 drawer dresser to hold my makeup. I never ever kept my makeup in the bathroom. It's always been in my room. Powder products definitely last a long time, especially when disinfected regularly, i do so after every use. Have been doing so since I started wearing it, however if a product smells, looks weird or is separating, don't care what it is, cream, liquid, powder, don't use it. You can still keep it for whatever reason but don't put it on your body. I have a lot from my teenage years, i keep it for sentimental reasons. I don't wear it. I have absolutely no shame with what i own. And yes i own a lot of eyeshadow. But its my hobby, my passion, my mother didn't understand why i wanted so many until i asked her why she liked to collect dolls, and my mom has a lot of dolls, after that she stopped giving me grief about why i have so many eyeshadow-palettes, and many that haven't been used in a while. As i say i not only get joy from looking at my collectibles but i also get to use them daily.
I think regularly throwing away expired/unused products regularly actually helps you be more mindful of your purchases. Like oh, I barely used that lipstick and it's expired. Maybe I don't actually need a lipstick. Or I'll buy a smaller product so it's more likely I'll use it up.
I'd love to see you do a video about your thoughts on products and make up for women over 50... I also own a Michael Kors bag.. but I only own one bag.. I would rather own a few things I absolutley love and know I will use over owning a huge amount of of things that a large quantity of things I really don't love.
I love my stuff and will use things until they fall apart. If I don’t use it anymore I donate and clear the space. I don’t like to feel crammed. I could still cut back on unnecessary purchases. I feel like I’m in between the over consuming and under consuming trends. I guess… normal?
i quite indulge in make up ( i worked as make up artist and love it so i like to buy more than i can use, but the thing i don't get at all is these ppl that use powder, see a glimpse of the pan and don't use it anymore. if i like the product as much as to hit the pan i use it until ALL the pan is showing and there's zero product left with a heavy heart. And as i read in the coments: cleaning your brushes helps with your skincare and longevity of powders
We are in an age where normal consumption has become underconsumption. I have read that brands/companies put an expiration date on the product way before the actual expiration date (I don't remember where I read it, but it is to avoid harm to the people). And also, using luxury brands depends on the product I think. You can buy some things from luxury brands that will last longer and is safer. Other times it does not worth it.
I use the same base products until i run out. Only thing i have multiples of are foundation, a summer and winter shade that i mix throughout the year and different concealer colours to match. Coloured products however, i do have way more of. But i've put them all in drawers/organizers and they're full, so now my rule is: one in means one out. And as soon as a product looks/smells different or gives me some form or a reaction, it goes into the bin.
OMG... the girl with the Naked palette. I had the OG first run palette with the eyeliner. A few years ago, I had to throw it away because it was irritating my eyes. Even powders go bad! And I cleaned it regularly.
I think the biggest takeaway is we all need balance. You don’t have to buy everything that is put out there, but you also shouldn’t feel bad for enjoying the products you like.
I mea.n at this point we have to feel bad. the plastic alone.has messed up the environment beyond belief.
@@lejluminati4832and who’s fault is that, surely not the multi billionaire and companies
@@TheRealGackt It’s everybody’s fault technically, every human has had a hand in this one way or another. 🤷♀️
@@lejluminati4832no we don’t we’re all gonna die one day.
@@lejluminati4832Individual waste isn't even a drop in the ocean to the waste made by big corporations. Yes, we should find ways to reduce our daily waste but feeling guilt to the point of not enjoying anything at all and being depressed and guilty about it is not right either.
This is one of the reasons I adore minis. I feel like I can actually use the product before it goes bad.
I do purchase minis too. At least the products won't expire before I use it all up, and it will be worth what I spent on them.
I just wish they weren't so unreasonably expensive!
I’m like this with perfume. I can never finish the bigger bottles before they expire
@@TaoMokshaback in my broke broke days, when I’d go to Sephora I’d always ask for a sample of my favorite perfume bc they give it to you in a lil baby spray bottle, and those would last me 6 months!
@@adaliaalvarez7269I get a lot of my minis from Sephora’s points thing, both using points and getting birthday gifts. Usually the 500 point items and birthday gift sets are little kits of 3 items, and I have been using the Moroccan oil/farmacy/urban decay/biossance/fresh etc sets as my main products for years now. I only buy things that I buy in mini form several times first. Oftentimes the sets surrounding sale events are the way to go
Tiktok feels almost like an infomercial for products, which makes me not want to buy stuff from there.
That is exactly what it is. Congratulations. You are now free from the matrix . Now, to continue on, you need to develop other critical thinking skills, if you haven’t already. But right now, you’re ahead of the curve!
Sections of UA-cam feel the same, it’s like watching the shopping channel. Seems most platforms just end up being used to sell stuff
I only buy what I need. It is a convenient way to shop, but I'm always careful that the product is from the actual brand, and not a third party seller.
Facebook is the same
It is. We don’t always look at that as commercials but that’s exactly what it is. TikTok’s & shorts are commercials, including the things that aren’t ads directly by the company. I went on Pinterest last week to try to get costume inspo & was so sad it’s ALLLLLL ads. It’s not a creative space anymore, more like a magazine you can click on. It’s gross!
I do think this 12 to 24 months expiry for eye shadow palettes is ridiculous! I have so much makeup that I might not touch a palette for that long. I agree that liquids and especially mascara should be tossed more frequently. Since they put a year expiration date on EVERYTHING nowadays probably to cover themselves legally, that seems to scare people into unnecessary repurchases.
Tips to go by is if it looks off, smells off or no longer works, or is walking on its own, toss it. 👍🏼😂
Agreed. There are powder products I've had for ages that still work just fine. Otoh, I rarely buy full size mascaras since the minis last me three months and I won't keep one longer than that.
My understanding is that brands pay to have the products’ quality tested for different durations, so sometimes they’ll pay to the point of demonstrating a 12-month shelf life then just leave it at that. Which is understandable but frustrating!
Go ahead girl! Wear your expired makeup and pretend that you don’t have a shopping problem
@@Temptthedevilmini sized mascaras are actually the only way to go, the amount of product is enough to last until you have to throw it out & get a new one
Agreed. For powder products there is nothing wrong with using them 2+ years. I am 50 and up until recently, expiration dates were not things that we heard anything about. I think it’s convenient for the brands because people buy more often even if there is nothing wrong with the product. We used what we had till it was gone period.
Shopping addict here. Embarrassing to admit that I am in credit card debt because of it too. I’ve finally deleted all social media apps except UA-cam to limit ads, I deleted all my shopping apps too like Etsy, Amazon, target etc…I’ve paid off a couple thousand the last few months so I’m finally feeling less anxious. It’s still so tough to keep myself from impulse buying though.
I get such a high from buying new products and I definitely have just too much stuff. The clutter stressed me out so I’m also starting to clear out.
I can’t imagine how hard it is for you. I hope you succeed.
Super proud of you! Detoxing from that in this day and age is so tough I bet. I’ve never had a full blown addiction but I definitely could’ve gotten to that point. Something that I started doing to help was badazzling my makeup or re organizing my makeup so that it all feels new. Idk if this will help you but even if it doesn’t, good luck to you and take it one day at a time❤
Congratulations! Keep going, you got this.
Proud of you, keep plugging away at it.
Ok but for real. I still use my expired makeup products. I'd throw out if I noticed a change in texture, smell but.... 😅
Everything but mascara
Facts. Also i recommend investing in a make up sanitizing spray. It is great to keep extending the life of your powders. I use the BeautySoClean cosmetic sanitizer mist. If you find a cheaper option let me know cause I called it an investment for a reason lol.
Oh and disposable applicators for liquids! I get use bc I get sick often and don’t want to be throwing away lipglosses or liquid lipstick out that often.
@@czexkei6644 just isopropyl alcohol spray is all I use
I have a few ancient lipsticks, but that smell will get them chucked.
I wish brands sold more travel size products and smaller size products for people who don’t use tons of makeup.
Edit: 😲wow, thanks for all the likes!😊
That part. I was buying a pressed setting powder that Kosas has in minis, but select shades. I preferred the smaller size & price just knowing the 9.5 gram full-size would likely stick around for years. Also for trying out new things. It’s rare for me to return makeup, but what if the full-size didn’t work out for me? It’d be a waste for either me or Sephora
Benefit sales popular products in minis
Yes!!! Was just about to say this. Especially foundations. I wear makeup daily, but only wear foundation like 5 times a year, and i’m sure many people do not wear foundation often. We need more smaller sized bottles of these!
not just this but it would be nice to be able to use up make-up BY the expiration date. I am tired of throwing away make-up that isn't gone because it has expired! 😭Please no one tell me it is no big deal. I have eczema and a good bit of allergies and the LAST thing I need is to have my eczema get worse OR AN ALLERGIC REACTION! So yeah I have been going without make-up due to saving money because I am tired of throwing foundation and so on away when the year is up. So frustrating...
@@narwhallllll8475 I once had a tester from maybelline for a foundation and it was fantastic!! They are small bottles, and lasted me a decent time. Wouldn’t kill them to sell them, as they make them in smaller packaging anyway for stores as testers!
I think a lot of people still haven't fully connected the dots on the fact that an influencer's collection of makeup (or clothing, etc) is used for work. We don't hire a carpenter and then go out and buy one of every tool we saw them use. We don't watch a TV show about the restaurant industry and think, "An industrial fryer is EXACTLY what my home kitchen needs!" I don't want to emulate an influencer's huge collection, but I DO want to benefit from it by listening to someone make comparisons between shades and across product lines.
Yes! And another thing is, a lot of them started out super relatable, not having tons and tons of products, PR wasn't as huge. You could reasonably have what they have, but then they get bigger and bigger and have more and more, and you're like keeping up with them - except you don't get PR like they do now and you don't make my money from it. Lol - or maybe that's just my personal journey of watching the makeup community for a decade lol
They have connected the dots they just don’t care
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Best analogy I’ve heard👏👏👏
after 10 years people still don’t understand this? yeah can’t help them
It's okay to throw things out, especially if you've hardly used it and it's been there for years.
That's so hard for me. I have so much makeup from a couple years ago that I've barely, if ever, used and am having a hard time splitting with it. Same with clothes.
Wash and send packaging through PACT! Minimizing clutter of old products and minimizing spending on new products should go hand in hand with properly recycling packaging.
I have a hard time with it too...but I feel so much better when I'm free if the clutter. I'm still working on it though and it is hard to get rid of some things. (Not just makeup but other stuff)@@Temptthedevil
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I am absolutely a shopping addict. It’s taken me time to accept it but I used to do beauty- found myself in that declutter and acquire cycle. I’ve had to stop watching everyone who does them which is unfortunate because I love a lot of creators who review stuff as they declutter. But it absolutely triggers me to try new things, buy new things. It’s so sad, but I think most beauty content is just glorified shopping addiction. The death of real makeup tutorials also makes me sad. It’s so saturated, but also I know for a fact the algorithms DONT push them anymore. It sucks.
Also getting PR kind of sucks, imagine how overwhelming it is to get a whole range of a lipstick collection. I thought it was the dream, once it happened to me I just wanted it to STOP. Even when I opted out my address would be sold or just given to parent companies and packages would still show up. It’s not the dream we think it is.
Watch asian creators. There are plenty who do makeup tutorials now with k, c , and j beauty become globalized
This is silly but I'm like that but with plants specifically.
Every time I'm like "Okay, we're passing and ignoring the plant selection" I always find myself having to fight myself to not look, and when I do look and can't find a plant I want, I still feel the itch to just buy a plant, even if I don't like it, just to satisfy an itch- Which is really stupid, because buying plants I don't like doesn't actually satisfy it.
And if it's not a plant, it's some kind of plant product. Like, I currently have the *fattest* itch to transition my plant collection over to semi-hydroponics and it is *not* leaving, which is really annoying because I don't have the money to buy the blend I want, and if I ever do get the money to do that, I know I'm gonna be struggling with purchasing more plants, because it's supposed to make plant care a lot easier on top of making them grow better.
I mean, it makes some sense, because buying plants and growing medium for me is the equivalent of buying pens, pencils, paints and paper for an artist, but when a hobby takes up so much space, it becomes an absolute battlefield when it comes to keeping your house in working condition, and keeping yourself entertained.
I fear I kind of did that with hair products, but I did end up using the products so I guess it wasnt wasteful for me. But it can be hard to get out of the cycle of buying things, recently I had to convince myself but also I think when I feel like I have enough I just stop wanting to buy things. Like I have the makeup I want, so I don't feel like buying more unless my current makeup runs out Id want to buy more or a better alternative
The more I see videos about tiktok trends, the more I feel so glad about having never downloaded the app or looked for content from it.😅.
I developed my obsession with beautiful nail polish from scratch.😂🤣😂
Honestly, let’s just live within our means-whatever that looks like for us, individually.🤷🏾♀️
You can use the app for other types of content! I used to have it for social topics only. Some people have it for dog videos. So yeah, you can definitely stay away from beauty influencers (I uninstalled it anyway but that's another story).
i wanted to highlight robert's dedication to accessibility here. i'm so happy that you continue to have bespoke subtitles, when next to nobody else bothers with any or simply relies on the flawed google autocaptions. as a person with hearing problems, thank you so so much.
I started buying travel size ! For example mascara is supposed to be changed every 6 months so I get the small size and I’m fine !
Once opened mascara should be thrown out 2-3 months! Otherwise puts you at risk for conjunctivitis, stiyes etc.
I also buy travel sized mascara because it’s cheaper and there always seems to be enough to last me.
Such a great use for Sephora points. You can usually get luxury mini mascaras for 100 points.
Minis are MY FAVE. Everything should come in minis!
That is brilliant! I would try this with mascara
@@nikkismith2858 I use a Mascara usually for a year and i never had any issues with my eyes. But the idea with the minis is for good, especially with mascara ones because the minis often have a better formula.
I truly appreciate Robert's (and James's!) content so much because they mix their areas of expertise with a healthy dose of media literacy. Come for the makeup tips, stay for a crash course on critical thinking.
Yes!!
I’ve always had an issue with how influencers have used the term “over consumption”.
When you have 60 foundations and you continue to buy 1 every month - that’s not over consumption. That’s compulsive spending.
Yes, this! It's the same with the people who buy all of the trinkets and random stuff for their Stanley cups. I think they're just compulsive shoppers.
Wjat would you consider an example of over consumption then? I just think it's another way to word it. Like how "clean girl makeup" is the same as "no makeup makeup" 😂
two things can be right at the same time, your example IS one of overconsumption ad well as compulsive spending
@@nancykerrigan I like to compare over consumption to over-eating at a buffet.
Your eyes are too big for your belly, and your excitement is too much for your rate of usage. So you're buying more than you're actually using.
@@banheesos And hoarding is a form of storage, but you wouldn't call hoarding "storing things".
Same thing with over-consumption vs compulsive spending. Over-consumption is when you buy two bottles of hairdye, because you thought you might need it, but only ended up needing the one. Compulsive spending is when you're buying every bottle of hair dye you can come across, even if you don't like the colour, just because you feel the need to.
It's about your frame of mind. Calling compulsive spending "over-consumption" is an under-exaggerated, because you can always decrease your rate of consumption to make it normal, but compulsive spending comes from an underlying issue with your current situation, and not doing so can leave you feeling anxious or paranoid.
11:42 Robert mentions not buying things you don’t need- but for me personally I can’t look at it that way, because makeup is always a joy for me, not a need. I don’t need it, I want it and that’s ok. Not sure anyone will even see this comment- but if anyone else was getting hung up there- know that it’s okay to sometimes buy things because they bring you joy. I live pretty minimally but I still find space / funds for makeup on occasion. Just don’t over do it…ok byeeeee 😊
It’s good that people are starting to thinking more about what they buy and why💜
It takes me so long to get through a blush that everytime its time to repurchase what I had has been discontinued...
That's why I stock up lol. Because that's the worst feeling. But you know what sucks is the daunting task of trying to get through it all 😂😂😂
Omg yes especially NARS blush in Sin
I thought this was just me!!! I have my glossier blush for like 3 years now
@@jimin8006 powder blushes last forever
I do prefer this to overconsumption but I am tired of seeing everything be trends. Hopefully this means people wont consume more(I doubt it), but it feels like everything has to be done for attention
Overconsumption for attention. Under consumption for attention. Like they cant just live and do things for themselves.
I very much prefer this to overconsumption though, regardless of why it's being done.
Yeah, it's really annoying. Like, I'd preffer this, but you also know that this is eventually gonna become a competition, and eventually it's just gonna become this toxic situation due to people taking it too far, and then people are just gonna start over-consuming again out of spite, and it's just gonna become this repetitive cycle.
@@sandy_carpetsthesecond5013 I've seen a few of your comments on this thread and you seem like a very articulate, thoughtful and considerate person. 😊😎
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Where it becomes dangerous I think is when people watch these videos and then get angry on other peoples videos saying OVERCONSUMPTION on like normal things lol. I’ve seen it, like someone has watched too many underconsumption core videos because someone will be like I’m doing seasonal decorating from stuff I have stored away in my house and the people come out in full swing insulting them for overconsumption and that’s not even overconsumption to me. Reusing things seasonally every year is kind of normal but I think certain trends make people watching the videos go mad.
@@glowyafreusing things is very normal not kind of normal. Those children getting upset with those people are idiots, sorry to say😂😂😂.
This underconsumption core takes me back to 2010's minimalist videos. While some people were normal about it, there were videos where I, person with depression, could tell that the people in them weren't at the top of their mental health.
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oooh interesting, can you elaborate on this? what particularly mental health-wise were you picking up on?
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my dermatologist told me companies put expiration dates 2 years before they actually expire, for legal reasons just to be safe. it makes sense, theres no way powder blush/eyeshadow/etc goes bad after 12 months lol (i dont play w mascara and liquid eyeliner tho)
Yep, can confirm on the retail side even stuff that is about to 'expire' on the sales floor is good for at least 2 more years unopened and one year once opened, as long as something hasn't gone wrong somewhere. They're not gonna sell stuff that'd put them at risk like that. It's a reasonable expectation of time that you'd use a product for after purchase.
In engineering or building you also have where something's "max load" doesn't mean one more gram added and it's going to fail, it's backed off from where the actual failure point is found to be to create a buffer zone and increase safety. If companies were certifying things as okay right up to the very point that they're definitely not there would be a lot more accidents (or infections) and liability, so it can seem frustrating from the consumer standpoint, but does have some solid reasoning behind it
I had to delete TikTok because every second video was an ad! It really does put me off wanting to spend my money
I strongly believe that buying Sephora brands which are a bit more expensive actually motivates me to use the product up and prevents me from buying dupes in the process of finding the perfect one
Soo agree with this !!
So I was absolutely addicted to buying makeup in my 20s. Even now I see all the new releases and want them, but I've finally reached a phase of realizing that I had way too much and wasn't using any of it. I barely leave the house these days, so my stuff just sits in waiting for the magical day I'm suddenly able to be out and about all the time. The last couple of years I've really tried to cut down on new purchases and to be more mindful of "do I need this or not?" and "will I use this?". I have been going through everything I own, one category at a time, and really take stock of what I have and try it all on. I ended up sending boxes of makeup (like more than four) to my cousins to share among themselves, and what I couldn't share after trying I finally allowed myself to just throw it out. Wrong color? Gone. Hate the smell? Outta here. Formula sucks? Trash. For so long I felt like it was a waste to throw stuff out, even stuff that was seriously old, but have finally reached the stage where I really only want to keep what I love. I still have a huge collection, and intend to test out my remaining products even further to help trim it down even more and make note of who's formula's I like the best.
🖤 your cupboard is like a store display but only of the things you enjoy 🖤
10:50 This is how I consume makeup. My foundations don't last more than 2 years because I typically only have 2 or 3. But powder products last 4yrs. And as far as am concerned, eyeshadow is forever, until it's finished. I keep things sanitary and spraying with alcohol every once in a while helps. Never had any problem.
I still have my urban decay naked original palette😮 I bought it 13 years ago 😅😅😅 still working perfectly
Same!
Yep
Me too 🎉
When I was *young* we had Caboodles for our makeup organization. They came in crazy combinations but you weren’t cool if you didn’t have a Caboodle. 🤷♀️
That is hilarious, me too. Mine was pink.
I still have mine, from the late 80s or early 90s. I use it for skincare samples.
I still have mines my grandfather bought me in the 80s
I think I had some kind of off brand one that was like, ‘free with purchase!’ at the mall. It was translucent blue with flecks of silver glitter in it 😄
@@heatherduke7703 i had one just like that in the nineties. i didn't wear makeup so i put art supplies in it :P
Okay I'll sleep later, watch Robert first ❤
I do have a crazy amount of cosmetics, and I ignore expiration dates if they even have any. My criteria for when products should be tossed - if the texture or color has changed; if they smell off; if I get any amount of irritation (which honestly doesn't happen). I mostly toss products that no longer work for me the way I want them to - which can be a me problem or a product problem, I don't know. Commercially made products that have preservatives can and should last a while. I wouldn't keep mascara for years, but then again, it won't perform as well as you'd want it to anyway if it is old. I have an obscene number of lip products as well, and rarely do they go off. If a lipstick gets weird, I toss it, of course. Powdered products, pressed or loose, I don't toss unless the texture changes and it becomes unusable. Powdered products won't spoil as they do not typically have any organic ingredients - at least not the ones I own. If I really do not like a product enough to keep using it, I will give it away rather than let it sit and rot.
Yes! My skin is super sensitive and I can feel if something has gone bad. The symbols on the packaging itself are usually wrong too if you use makeup carefully.
Yeah with cosmetics how you store them greatly influences the expiry date. I store my things in a dark, dry cabinet in my bedroom. All my perfume, body sprays, lotions, and lipstick are fine. But the other day my mum had to toss a barely three year old Tom Ford fragrance because she keeps her perfumes in the bathroom lol
I hadn’t heard of the underconsumption trend in the way you showed. Though I have heard of Project Pans. I’m a panner and I definitely use products past their ‘expiry’ date, however I don’t use products that have obviously gone bad.
I think issues come about when people turn their makeup using habits into a way to look down on other people ie “I have a room of makeup so I am better than you” or “I have been using the same bronzer for 5 years so I am better than those that have rooms of makeup”.
THIS. Any excuse for people to claim moral superiority 🤦🏽♀️
your mocha chocolate eyeshadow is making your eyes so dreamy beautiful
I love everything about chocolate
My favourite blush, which I use on a weekly basis, is a Dior number from the mid-90s, and still use a Mac loose powder from the same era 😂😂😂
P.S. I have posted this comment before somewhere 😊
I have been a project panner since 2017. I love project panning and the project pan community. There's something really exciting about finishing a product and knowing you got your money's worth.
I buy a lot of sample sizes for this reason. Just cost wise & not wasting product, the Sephora sets are usually good for that.
I love the transparency with your storage and showing us around your room. It was actually really interesting!
I would love for makeup to come in half size OR for expiring dates to be longer, bc I rarely use makeup and then it expires when is 20% used
Advent calendars are overconsumption imo. Buying $3000 of makeup for $500 when I don't need even $100 of products. Fun but so wasteful.
You’re absolutely correct. How often do you see an advent calendar where every item was something you’d already planned on purchasing? Never, because they don’t exist. I’d rather spend $500 on a handful of full sized favorites than 25 random minis that were never on my wishlist.
I have to say, your final point about luxury = overconsumption was incredible. I hadn't even considered that aspect of this trend. I do love the underconsumption trend because I am sucker for project pan content (or maybe I'm just nosey?), but your statement was quite eye opening for me, I wish you had discussed the luxury aspect of underconsumption core in greater length/depth, because I could listen to you talk about these topics for hours.
I'd love to see a series of 'keep or toss' where you go through all of your backlogged products and say if they're worth keeping or tossing and if there's a better comparison product instead. Narrow down the best of the best products you've had personal experience with while helping us figure out what's actually worth our money and keeping in a smaller collection.
I've been practicing under consummation since 2023. I had to really be honest with myself. I didn't need everything I owned. I have 20 plus eyeshadow palettes. I'm one person. I will never pan all of them. So I stopped. The pressure of not having to purchase was eye-opening! It made me feel free. I bought one palette this year. It feels great.
Sameeee and it’s liberating and I also found that I appreciate and love a lot of what I have collected and didn’t use ❤❤
Same! I’ve bought one eyeshadow palette this year and I probably didn’t need it but oh well 😅
I’m actually really glad to hear someone talk about the low quality adverts. I’d really love to see you make a video on this! And how advertising (especially beauty advertising) has gone from something where a whole world has been built and a lot of work has been put into it, to lazy videos where some influencers are getting product names wrong, subtitles are saying the wrong thing, editing is bad. It actually puts me off buying things and I think this has contributed to the influencer fatigue on TikTok
I, personally, don't see buying luxury products as overconsumption. I don't buy a lot of products, but the few products I buy are quality products that work and bring me happiness in using/owning. That's my take.
That's just normal consumption. Like the average consumer. Overconsumption is buying in mass, collecting makeup quicker than you can use it and not for the purpose of display
Yeah as long as you don't buy too much that's normal consumption. I don't think buying luxury as you need it would be considered over consumption.
I have eye shadows from the early 2000's that are still fine. I have mascara that is 10+ years old. Still works fine. I think companies say to throw stuff away to keep sales up. If you dont buy new stuff every 3-6months, how will they make their money?!?!
I used a mac eyeshadow yesterday (coppering) I bought in like 2005? It was perfect. Absolutely perfect. I was shocked I even had it still
@@Cloudy_SkieZ1 I have a Mac lipstick that I bought in duty free in like 2012
It was the first luxury makeup item I'd ever purchased. It still smells fine. I think MAC is like the Twinkies of makeup
I have loads of make up that's old, blusher/eyeshadow, some lip. We're talking 20/30 years. All fine, never caused me an issue. Only bn used by me, not during any infection etc. If it looked/smelled/tasted bad I'd chuck it. Also mascara foundation, concealer, eye pencils, I'd chuck sooner than powder products
I have an old limited edition Benefit blush palette I still use. It works like the day I bought it! No hard spots. I keep my brushes clean.
I have some older palettes, and I periodically open them up, and lightly mist them with alcohol to sanitize them. They are all still in good condition.
@@purplepixie274 The things I will replace sooner than later are mascaras, lip products, and foundation, but I go through a lot of foundation and mascara anyway as a working MUA.
People should try to do "no buy years", where you buy essentials, but it's challenged with using what you have until it finishes, so then you buy more. However, it doesn't mean using expired things.
I always enjoy Robert's commentaries. He seems so thoughtful and he's never screaming at us to buy something. Not to mention he's funny as hell.
Robert I miss your ghost stories and makeup. I was really hoping during October you might do a series! Please please do some videos on it!
I miss his ghost stories as well this would be the perfect month to do them
@@geriklawitter3646 yess I agree!
"Wobbly and very badly put together, by me." - Feel you there Robert
Balance is one thing- but honesty is another. The people on UA-cam telling us to buy this or that - need to be honest and tell us that they are gifted items, have a dedicated budget for this and that the video or TikTok is actually work. There needs to be that disclaimer on every video. Many people do and I think it is great - but more need to do that.
As for using make up past expiration dates - that is so personal- I recently discarded some makeup because it was a little off and I had no desire to see how irritated my skin would become. Had good years and it was still very clean.
You need to do a series on how to keep make up clean. Some people open a palette and it is still as gorgeous as when they first opened it - and four colors have hit pan. Others are so messy I would open for fear of what is lurking inside.
As for luxury consumption- that is a personal choice. But please don’t mortgage your house to pay for a Sephora haul because you saw it on UA-cam. Common sense please.
Hey Robert!! Just wanted to say that I am in the process of adopting some cats for the first time ever! Can’t wait to have my own fur babies 🤎🩶🤍
Congratulations! I've adopted twice, 2 brothers first, and then a little stray girl who had been abused. They're darlings. I'm so happy for you and your new babies! 🥰 🐈⬛🐈🐈⬛
I'm not against luxury products, and i don't see it as an overconsumption. IMO, having too many products is overconsumption. and if it it gives you joy to have a collection, why not! Just don't overdo it😊
collecting for the sake of collecting is inherently overconsumption
Overconsumption and Underconsumption are super crazy, it’s weird seeing what trends can do to an everyday lifestyle or someone’s financial decisions :Þ
“Underconsumption” is really just normal consumption to most people. I’m a bit worried what you’s consider ‘normal’ if you’re calling that crazy..
I don't think luxury products is overconsumption. Overconsumption is buying loads of stuff you don't need.
The lipstick cupboard 😍. This 55 yr old has gone back in time to rummaging through my best friend’s Aunt Avon testers as was a rep in the very early 70’s.
We had an Avon lady in the neighborhood when I was a kid. I LOVED when she would come for a visit! She would let me go through her case and test everything out. So much fun!
I miss the little Avon lip testers my mom had! I wish more companies did them, they can’t be that expensive to mass produce
In the 80s I was so obsessed with those lip samples that I eventually became an Avon lady just to have access to buy them for myself.... And of course after a few years my account went to collections and uh 😬 to this day though no lip gloss has ever topped the glazewear gloss, especially in this one LE summer shade that the end sticker fell off of so I don't have the name of it... I still have the tube all these years to keep looking for a replacement of that shade!!
I do think some luxury beauty items fall into overconsumption because they are too expensive for what they’re worth and have excessive packaging but for the most part overconsumption is buying too much stuff
i agree with you, but i'm still gonna use my expired products 😵💫
9:57 No judgments or anything but how does she know it’s the best bronzer ever if she’s not buying and trying other ones? I always see people say stuff like that and it always confuses me lol
Well with makeup counters and department stores, you can always try on products without purchasing so yes she could try others and in comparing them come to the conclusion that the one she has is still best for her
@@aesinam I mean I have a feeling she doesn’t even shop for makeup too often as she’s had that bronzer for 5 years and that highlighter(?) stick for 8 years lol. Plus (as someone who works at a beauty retailer) I would not recommend judging makeup products off of the testers in-store alone. Like sure trying them in-store can give you a somewhat of an idea of how they can perform, but you won’t be able to get the full experience. I’d say this is especially true for powders just because the oils from people’s skin when they swatch the testers can really mess up the surface of products
Thanks for showing your room and setting 😊
Everything in Moderation is the best advice ever given .
A minimalist algorithm ❤
Great, as ever Robert (also, congrats on the new launch 🖤🥂)
I just had a clear out of my 'beauty space'... spare room that the cats occupy.
I dont know if it's an age thing, but I was much more ruthless in throwing away stuff and trying to minimise my collection of makeup and skincare. At 39 and 10 months, I know what I like and need now, and it is almost embarrassing to have such excess. It doesn't give me joy to see drawers and cupboards full of crap that I don't need or use.
I am incredibly fortunate that I am in a position where I can splurge to try something, and if it doesn't work, my family and friends are very grateful ❤🎉
In 2023 I went to something where everyone attending was gifted a bag of products donated by the make up industry. There was a mascara from a brand that stopped existing around 2020 & an eyeshadow pallet from 2015. I still feel weird about it.
In the end of the day, like you said in the end of the video, it’s a ✨collection✨🥂. When friends and family tell me I have too much, specially as an excuse to ask me to give them something because it’s not humanly possible to use all of this stuff, it makes me so mad 😅 it’s a collection, lovelies! I keep a lot of stuff that I don’t even use anymore, but it’s part of a time of my life I wanna remember and I do more vividly when I touch the products and look at them. I collect makeup, some people collect other things. If I’m happy and I’m spending other people’s money, it’s fine ❤
Omg I’m horrified by that naked palette😮😮😮😮
Lol I know right - I'm no make up person but I literally body cringed at it 😂
I love the make up panning community here on YT and Insta💜 People are really very honest about their feeling and learning moments about products they've bought, decluttered and finished. It makes you think about your own shopping habits.
I was getting ready for a wedding with a group of bridesmaids. And one of them pulled out THE ORIGINAL chocolate bar pallet! She had the same one since it first came out. I was equally grossed out and impressed.
I realized I had a problem when i kept buying new products to ultimately end up with the same result i.e. same color or finish on the skin. I never finished anything until the next new thing came along. Now, I'm more conscious of what I buy and feel super accomplished for finishing something.
It seems you have a new video each day at the time I’m getting home from work. It’s really nice honestly.
Thats a really great question!:Is luxury make up worth it when store make up has become so good? I had to think about that for a few minutes. Heres what Ive concluded: It depends on two things, your life style & pocket book. I live fairly isolated so I dont go out a ton. So, for me store make-up gets the job done. I only own 10 makeup products total. That said, there are still luxury brands that just have better pigments, wear & feel that are worth the price. // Your amount of makeup doesnt bother me at all. It hasnt changed your ethics . Youre always honest and down to earth. Plus, you donate/ give away and dont horde. Honedtly, compared to many Ive seen its reasonable because its the content you create and your Job. Excellent video!
I keep my make-up in an IKEA Helmer and I do have too much, as it's not all getting used, BUT I also use it for costume/cosplay and my friends/family use it too. So it's nice to have a selection XD (There's definitely some expired products in there, but I check everything and anti-bac it so I think I'm walking that tightrope well)
One way I have managed to curb the consumption is to remove some brands from my consideration, such as ones that test on animals etc. Eliminated many of the 'big brands' that way! Most everything I need I can find from Elf, Catrice, Essence, and other budget brands.
Newbie to your channel. As an OG UA-camr since 2006, I recently did a declutter because I became a fulltime caregiver for hubby who became disabled in 2017. When I mean all the stuff I had, and the regret, not of my purchases but that I didnt get to uses everything as much as I wanted because I had too much to use. Too many choices. And then I wasnt working at an office so I wasnt wearing makeup everyday like I used to. I mourned all those treasures. So I made some boxes to give away to some young ladies at church and my neices. I have decided to keep my purchases small, and use what I have because its awesome stuff!😂 I will keep giving away what I'm not using. If I see enough "pan" its going in the trash. I do believe one should be able to enjoy a luxury item if it makes you feel good and you can afford it, but within reason. I am striving for balance in all things. I actually find great joy in addordable dupes.🤷🏾♀️ Great video brought back memories of the UA-cam and IG Pan communities, I loved their videos.❤
I'm a hoarder but I have been trying to be more selective about what I keep and what I throw out, especially makeup. So glad to see that underconsumption core is a thing now :3
Wishing you the best in your journey. It’s not easy letting go. You’ve got this stranger on the inter webs
Thought about going at the cause of hoarding and trying therapy???? It can help immensely
I don’t believe the expiry dates on makeup. If you get hard pan, it’s easy to remove. The only thing I replace on the regular is mascara.
Thank you Robert for this video! ❤
Financially, this year has been devastating for my family. I will not buy things I don't need and especially if it's by L'Oreal. Mascara-gate took me tf outta buying L'Oreal for the rest of my life and I will never trust a Tiktoker again.
Edit: I must add this, as a "mature skinned" woman, I have to have a good foundation and right now I am using Giorgio Armani's luminous silk and it feels great on my skin. I just can't do drugstore foundation but I will do drugstore everything else!
Robert you are so right. I feel most of the makeup artist on UA-cam could care less about the viewer but what they can sell to us for making more money. I finally came to my senses and stopped viewing so many of them. I try to find out who is genuine and stay with them. Common sense. Thank you for exposing this problem.
I think that what's appropriate is going to be different from person to person. You and I actually had the conversation a few weeks ago! We totally understand that our collections are not the norm, but we can afford it, or we're sent thing that we enjoy and we use. And if we don't love it or have no use for it, we pass it on.
Hi Robert! Congratulations on your collab with Blend Bunny! It is beautiful, and though I am unable to purchase it, I can congratulate you. 😊😊❤
Oh my gosh you are adorable whispering into the mic! Balance is all i have to say about my over or under consumption.
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I like having a few options for color tones (foundation, blush, etc.) depending on the season... I can't imagine using the same color of blush or bronzer for 2-4 years 😱 Besides hygiene, life is way too boring to not buy a new pallette or smthn every so often 😌💖 Definitely throw away old & expired mascara, lippies, creamy products, etc.!!
I’ve definitely increased my spending on makeup in the last 4 years. My whole collection used to occupy a small corner of my dresser, now the whole top of my dresser has makeup products on it and I have a small shelf in a closet as well. I don’t feel bad about it because doing my makeup is something I enjoy and it’s relaxing. Do I need all of what I have? Certainly not, but I’m also trying to be a little more mindful of what I purchase now.
Robert, is that's untidy, we need to see a video after you've sorted it. It looks fantastic. An organized system and clean area that works. Like you, it's authentic. And I love those clear organizers!
I will admit the only thing I regularly replace is mascara unless a product looks or smells a bit off 😂 Nail varnish I'm terrible for keeping way past expiry but I try to find unique colours so they're super hard to replace!
Nail polish doesn’t really go bad - the worst that will happen is the pigments might change or fade over time or it gets gloppy (which can be fixed with thinner and a good shake). This is coming from someone who has 600+ bottles 😉 I have a few 20 year old bottles in my collection that are still fine.
So proud of you doing this - I give away my unwanted products in our local ‘buy nothing’ Facebook group - that way someone else gets to enjoy the products I’m not using !! Rather than them just being thrown out I try to recycle as much as I can that I get rid of
I think the underconsumption core is just a trend. Most everyday people do this anyway, it’s just influencers trying to virtue signal and come across relatable since the met gala, out of touch blacklisiting trend of last year
That was this year… and I think it ended up backfiring really bad like that girl who started the whole digital guillotine thing ended up getting cancelled for some inane crap and the Met Gala lady was still running around with all the other New York influencers doing stuff that was a lot more problematic than not really getting Marie Antoinette (like she ended up faking a HIV scare because those multi part TikTok “who the hell am I…” serieses were blowing up and she wanted to get on the trend because that’s what you’re supposed to do, get in on every single trend in existence)
Also I find project panning very stupid because it weakens the powders and they become more prone to breakage, especially when you travel. I think it's to avoid, but still using to the fullest your products.
i used to hoard makeup and now i want to clean out my drawers because i feel cramped despite having thrown out so much old stuff already. i love having stuff but at a post it just gets TOO much
Thank you for showing us the BTS! I would love a video showing your collectible items.
I’ve been using expired makeup for almost 30 yrs of wearing makeup, because I only ever throw makeup away when it’s empty or stinks. Never had a rash. People that have been broke understand.
Pleeease change ur mascara though! I’d gotten the worst infection in my eyes, that would heal & reappear in a different area & this went on for over 2 months. Plus I went through 2 different antibiotics 😢
Completely agree. I remember a flatmate when we were in our early student years adding alcohol based toner to a dried up mascara to make it go further! She got another 3 weeks use out of it but I REALLY wouldn’t try it myself!,😂😭
I've definitely been the odd man out. I've had at least one dresser for my makeup storage since I was about 17, and that was well before social media was even heard of, I've been a makeup addict, especially eyeshadow, since i was 12, and that was in 82, by 17 i used a 4 drawer dresser to hold my makeup. I never ever kept my makeup in the bathroom. It's always been in my room. Powder products definitely last a long time, especially when disinfected regularly, i do so after every use. Have been doing so since I started wearing it, however if a product smells, looks weird or is separating, don't care what it is, cream, liquid, powder, don't use it. You can still keep it for whatever reason but don't put it on your body. I have a lot from my teenage years, i keep it for sentimental reasons. I don't wear it. I have absolutely no shame with what i own. And yes i own a lot of eyeshadow. But its my hobby, my passion, my mother didn't understand why i wanted so many until i asked her why she liked to collect dolls, and my mom has a lot of dolls, after that she stopped giving me grief about why i have so many eyeshadow-palettes, and many that haven't been used in a while. As i say i not only get joy from looking at my collectibles but i also get to use them daily.
I think regularly throwing away expired/unused products regularly actually helps you be more mindful of your purchases.
Like oh, I barely used that lipstick and it's expired. Maybe I don't actually need a lipstick. Or I'll buy a smaller product so it's more likely I'll use it up.
Throwing an unused product away to buy a new one is not more mindful.
@@mostlyclear6071 you're right, and that's not what the OP was saying at all :)
this is a great look on you🤩. love the soft, smokey effect!
I'd love to see you do a video about your thoughts on products and make up for women over 50... I also own a Michael Kors bag.. but I only own one bag.. I would rather own a few things I absolutley love and know I will use over owning a huge amount of of things that a large quantity of things I really don't love.
I love my stuff and will use things until they fall apart. If I don’t use it anymore I donate and clear the space. I don’t like to feel crammed. I could still cut back on unnecessary purchases. I feel like I’m in between the over consuming and under consuming trends. I guess… normal?
8:01 love seeing your setup!
i quite indulge in make up ( i worked as make up artist and love it so i like to buy more than i can use, but the thing i don't get at all is these ppl that use powder, see a glimpse of the pan and don't use it anymore. if i like the product as much as to hit the pan i use it until ALL the pan is showing and there's zero product left with a heavy heart. And as i read in the coments: cleaning your brushes helps with your skincare and longevity of powders
We are in an age where normal consumption has become underconsumption. I have read that brands/companies put an expiration date on the product way before the actual expiration date (I don't remember where I read it, but it is to avoid harm to the people). And also, using luxury brands depends on the product I think. You can buy some things from luxury brands that will last longer and is safer. Other times it does not worth it.
I use the same base products until i run out. Only thing i have multiples of are foundation, a summer and winter shade that i mix throughout the year and different concealer colours to match. Coloured products however, i do have way more of. But i've put them all in drawers/organizers and they're full, so now my rule is: one in means one out. And as soon as a product looks/smells different or gives me some form or a reaction, it goes into the bin.
OMG... the girl with the Naked palette. I had the OG first run palette with the eyeliner. A few years ago, I had to throw it away because it was irritating my eyes. Even powders go bad! And I cleaned it regularly.