Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 8:24 First Video (Birdman’s live reaction) 1:30:43 End of First Video/2nd Video Intro 1:31:51 2nd Video (Birdman’s scripted video) 2:19:29 End of 2nd Video/Outro
@@shandydasquireWell considering you literally criticized Birdman for taking things in hindsight but then didn’t say anything when Madvocate took things in hindsight, it is pretty safe to say you are a Madvocate fanboy.
Birdman has two modes when criticizing media, especially comic book films/shows, because he is the biggest shill for the MCU: - Blatantly strawmanning to make bad writing seem like it’s actually genius work. - Equating accuracy of adaptation to being good. That, combined with the fact that he seriously believes box office numbers and Rotten Tomatoes audience scores equate to quality, is why I’m shocked he has such a big platform.
If he was a "comic book purist" he wouldn't be able to tolerate ANY superhero movie let alone the mcu. He wouldn't even be able to tolerate most comics..
I’ve also seen a lot of people complain about Birdman getting called insults… keep in mind all this started because Birdman lost it when his video was used to bring up and address Devil’s Advocate arguments and said Cinema Sins had a couple good points and he responded with a full God forsaken video insulting Madvocate on both his intelligence and his videos every time he opened his mouth regardless of if he’s already made his rebuttal or not when Madvocate didn’t insult him once. He and his fans can dish it out but they can’t take it.
Madvocate man, I love you, your Flash videos are awesome, but it feels like your kicking a dead horse at this point. It comes off as very insecure when you have to say that you won, rather than just knowing that you won.
It’s a copypasta originally stated (unironically) by your favorite flightless bird person. Also I didn’t make this video nor did I ask Shandy to make it. He made it on his own volition.
I can never fathom how birdman can act so cocky and arrogant when they not only show a lack of intelligence but also show their insecurities when being challenged by another opinion. Anyways rewatched this beauty of a video and I hope to see you dunk on turdman more in the future
Bruh actually said that madvocate dislikes the MCU when he made a disclaimer at the beginning of the video saying he likes no way home, but dislikes when things are poorly thought out or otherwise stupid, I think we can all agree that every movie has flaws, and birdman srsly made his channel by being a leech to frickin cinemasins, he is a reaction UA-camr the laziest kind of UA-camr after the kind that just compiles clips of other UA-camrs together, it galls me that he acts smug about defending his made up points and acts like his reaction to someone else’s reaction to his reaction to cinemasins video is anything but a massive waste of time.
except he presented supporting facts of the things he said. He didn't go on a rant like the squirrel boy with little to no supporting evidence. he tried contradicting birdman when he actually said the very same argument that birdman was saying.
@@billzerker No? Madvocate left it explicitely clear at the beggining of the video he liked the movie, the birdman did not bother doing basic research. None of the points being made by the birdman were repeated by either madvocate or Shandy. Birdman's point about magic having no rules was absolutely terrible lol
@@billzerkerthe only times he repeated bird brain's points were when he was calling them out for how ridiculously and inconceivably stupid they were. and he explained his own points with actual facts established by the mcu and movie itself to back up what he was saying. tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. i guess video literacy is dead.
It would've helped if he explained why Mordo saying that was remotely relevant to his case. The "natural" law was referring to the laws of magic. Since its a power gathered through the multiverse. This is why it is addressed as "natural law".
I watched Birdbrain's response to this video, and he got things out of context so many times in the first half. Had I bothered to count, I would have probably needed more than two hands. He also assumes things that I know to be wrong because I watched the ECUM video. I only agreed that your Skyrim section could be handled better, but only by wishing you mentioned that you can't use magic with one hand if said hand carries something.
really? like what things? just saying he got things out of context with no supporting facts is hearsay. In your case, lies since we can all see the video and fact check your responses.
@billzerker If there is one thing that you agree with BirdBrain on, you can bring it up, and we can focus on that. I can't bring a full analytical article in one comment.
@@billzerker How would you like to talk about the reason Madvocate used BridBrain's real face instead of his avatar? Because Birdbrain lied about that one.
Power set does not mean the strength of those powers. We can agree that both Spiderman and Thor have "super strength" but those levels of strength are different.
Im utterly ignorant to any of this drama, I was just watching a video of his and was getting some red flags, like "if you say X I can instantly dismiss you as unintelligent" that sort of BS was setting off alarm bells. Then I got recommended this video and the comments are validating me.
@@shandydasquire ive seen the video and the comments and they are interesting thought i dont watch the mcu enough to really have a dog in the fight. his arguments seems fine with some things i disagreed with
there are no rules in magic systems (ignore the fact that systems cannot exist without rules). This means Strange's magic could easily overpower Thanos regardless of how powerful he became from his naturally-occuring formed-at-the-dawn-of-the-universe infinity stones.
@@thatcanadianyouhate9743 Rule of thumb: Movie reviewers are 'soulless' in one way or the other. The soullessness is variable, and things are crazier once you add these reviewers' personal biases. And also, there are many two-faced crappy 'reviewers' who dEsPiSe SM3 but love Carnage Miller's Flash crap.
I'm glad to see you're doing well Shandy. Even though I loved NWH (broken as it may be), I thoroughly enjoyed this takedown. A fine complementary piece to Madvocate's video. Cheers.
I would like to point out that when Doc Ock saved Strange you can see him looking at the Goblin bombs and you can even see him throwing his human arms in their direction so he can use his robotic arms. I don't see how anyone can take this man seriously.
Very true, which would be consistent with how he used them in SM2. I have unironcially had people arguing that he is actually faster than sound though, so…..who knows
@@shandydasquire Those arms still protect them on their own though. That's the whole point of giving them AI - because his human brain can't control 6 arms at once instead of two. He simply gives them commands "grab this", "stop him", "kill him" and they calculate an algoritm how to do it.
@@Сайтамен yeah that seems like the reasonable thing to assume. That the AI assists him in activating the machine but the thing with that is they are programmed to follow a specific set of parameters because if they go against his control it could harm the experiment.
That is true but I'd like to point out that Dr Ock being ripped out of Spiderman 2, has been in a total of 5 fights and had the arms for a week at most. Why does he react faster than the 'Sorcerer Supreme" who has had years of combat and magic training? It makes no sense that Dr Strange simply does nothing but stare at a box like his peripheral vision is the thing that broke instead of his hands?
1:51:33, Th3 Birdman and his friend Jay Exci disagree on this one. Since Exci agrees with CinemaSins that the source material doesn’t matter at all when dealing with adaptations but ThBirdman vehemently disagrees
You know, he had an easy point to make about strange. His characterization can explain his mistake. But its pride. Yes, his arc in the first movie is about checking his pride, but its not really solved. He still takes everything upon himself, doesnt always explain himself assuming he doesnt need to, etc. He may be improved, but it's still shown in no way home. It may not be perfect, but its close at the least
And, while theres an argument peter could beat strange, they just didnt do it well in the movie. Peters speed, agility, mobility, and surprisingly powerful precognition (which again they really need to properly show that in the movie's) could definitely make him a match. Spiderman is wack. And a slight clarification on octavius, its based on how an octopus' arms have their own "minds". They work in tandem however, not independently. It doesnt prove birdmans point because that was not an argument for something that could have been right otherwise lmao. My piint being that these are conceptually correct, just the movies do not execute them well. Which, is expected in the state of hollywood honestly.
@@heszedjim9699 Honestly I am confused on one point here. You say the movies dont properly show peters powers properly, and for the most part I agree, however his precognition/spidey sense I think is shown off well with 2 scenes from the movies. The bus scene with the arm hair (a scene I think could've done it so much better, but a scene nonetheless) and the scene where even outside of his own body without the ability to control it, since he understands strange as a threat, his spidey-sense/precognition is doing whatever it can to prevent strange from getting the box. It's shown well, it's not explained well. If that was your point and my half awake brain missed it, I apologize, I'm always one to ask questions to better understand people's views, and I hope my question made sense?
@@inmentoriku7390 his body reacting while hes projected is an outlier, its not consistent in the movies. Spiderman is straight up psychic when it comes to avoiding danger, and in the fight with strange they dont show that being why he won. Its why he should have, where strange could have gone, not all out but much harder, and peters ability to avoid things on precognitive instinct allowing him to succeed
Does Spider-Sense count as precognition? I know that in the comics, only Peter's daughter, Annie, has true precognition. She's able to see a little bit of the future and thats why she's one of the most important parts in Spider-Geddon comic.
The insistence of saying infinity gems instead of infinity stones has the same energy of calling someone a mangaka instead of an author. A true nerd would've called the movie version stones and comic version gems in order to showcase the differences between adaptations. They don't even have the same colors for god's sake.
I've seen this situation many times, in my country's superhero community. Creators who have read comics are seen as a reliable source of information. I see these creator showing off how many comics they've read. Then evey time a new comicbook movie come out they praise it like it's second coming of Jesus,But I never see them tackle how inconsistent the writing has been past few years or how stupid characters have become. I think it's same for Birdman.
He wasn't the same guy Who said anyone who is a real fan of transformers should hate the Transformers 2007 movie & then proceed to say _AUTOBOTS ALWAYS HAD BLUE EYES & DECEPTICONS RED EYES_ Despite in g1 optimus had yellow eyes & Starscream had Orange eyes? Hell, in Unicron Trilogy Optimus had Red Eyes & Megs had Blue Eyes
Loved your spiderman vids, and you condensed this very well. This comment is late by a few months due to me replaying this several times in the background and a look at your other work. Hilarious and informative, 9/10 you dived deep and some of the bits you committed to were great
I just love how that dummy said on his Bumblebee 2018 video that THE ONLY GOOD TRANSFORMERS CARTOON was G1 & everything after was Trash _But remember, HE IS NOT BIASED_
But it didn’t. He missed the point. Magic intentionally has soft rules and so madvocate saying it needs hard rules when it doesn’t without elaboration is bullshit. That was birdmans point. With the question about magic working on living beings being to stress the point that not only does it later but that if it did earlier it would no longer serve narrative function. This man then repeated his argument back at him with insults clearly agreeing to those points that magic isn’t always clearly defined (soft rules) and that if the spell was allowed to be used against creatures earlier in the series it would become inconsistent which he later admits even the Author says the series is therefore again agreeing with bird man. Please educate yourself
@@midashitegamer5264magic doesn’t always follow soft rules, Madvocate simply states they still follow some sort of rules. Besides that, magic has been explained to be basically a type of science in Marvel, it’s just them manipulating the laws of nature. Madvocate wasn’t arguing for hard rules either, he was explaining the inconsistencies that movie was showing with its magic, sort rules still has rules. Shandy brought up how a author will see the inconsistencies and try to fix them, he didn’t agree with Birdman.
@@midashitegamer5264 At this point I'd have to rewatch the video to know how to respond. I honestly would like to do so after you gave a measured rebuttal, with references, but this is more effort than I can be invested in, this late in the game. Thank you anyway, earnestly, for engaging.
Birdman: "You're asking them to give us a split-screen in the movie? Absurd!!!" Meanwhile, movies: Grand Piano. Kill Bill. Requiem for a Dream. Carrie. Scott Pilgrim. Indiscreet. Sisters. Annie Hall. Stuart fucking Little 2
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 The criteria to disprove Birdman's remark is: Can a movie feature split-screen? It doesn't matter for how long. I was pointing out that, movies know how to use split-screen. It's not unheard of.
I was curious as I see plenty of flaws in Birdman and his content as a creator. However I do enjoy his videos for the most part. That being said, I watched this vomit of a video and placed my comment for a fraction of my observations on the mistakes for the critiques of Birdman and the mistakes for the attacks on him whilst using Google screenshots of a dictionary without understanding the context or real life conversations using words like "play". He says its a bad argument plenty of times and doesn't actually explain why. It's simply a salty video for someone else reacting to another youtuber."I don't tolerate that" he says. Like who tf even is he? It's not for him to say what is tolerated on someone else's video. The viewers tolerate what they watch. The ones that don't, click out of the video and move on. This dude is so bitter over so little. It's not even hard to criticize. He complains about Dock ock being the only one using the arms as opposed to the AI aiding him even after showing footage of Dock Ock being asked about using the AI. Inhibitor chip doesn't mean he doesn't receive assistance. This dude doesn't know how to present his own argument and says "rewrite your script" and then insults him. Birdman makes the same mistake with calling people names. This is why it's a retarded move.
I came from the Madvomovies but before I can truly dive into this video, I should watch Birdman's videos but to get into those, I need to watch Madvocate's Spiderman video and to truly understand that video I need to watch Spiderman... is this some type of ponzi scheme?
But in order to watch NWH you need to watch every Raimi Spiderman and every TASM film. But I'm order to watch Raimi you need to watch the 90's cartoon. But in order to watch the cartoon you need to read the comics
I stopped taking birdman seriously as soon as in his Far From Home video he tried using rotten tomatoes as proof far from home is better the. Spider-Man 2 and the best live action Spider-Man movie.
That was laughable as hell. Plus, his whole "I don't know if Madvocate likes, or hates this film", when he stated his opinion in the literal first 15 seconds of the video. Really caused me to drop off from watching Th3Birdman.
I think the problem with B3rdman is that he's incapable of understanding the idea that adaptations are not always 1-1. That despite sharing similarities, the comic and MCU universe are 2 separate things. I'd love to see him explain The Boys, considering that show follows the comics about as faithfully as Dragonball Evolution.
What are you talking about? Only thing he compares is power set of the comic characters and mcu characters which are set in stone Peter Parker’s powers are the same no matter what but his stories can change depending on the writer he does not compare plot
@@jorgewilks1440 he was talking about his speed? Literally how his powers and abilities were used to beat someone in the comics then compared it to how he beat Dr strange with those same powers….
My favorite thing right now is just to find the people who obviously havent watched the video and left like 10 comments insulting you/ Regurgitating points from birdman. I don't even necessarily even have an opinion on this, But damn its mostly yall birdman fans in here. Yall need to actually make your own points or at least watch the vid your hateing.
Pretty much. My personal favorite is people accusing me of calling birdman an ape and then not providing evidence (a timestamp) of me saying it. Love being falsely accused of being a racist
1:29:50 So, both Spider-Verse films do this multiple times, and here we have Birdman saying they _cannot_ split the screen to show two things happening at the same time. That’s absurd; yes, they can.
Yeah, it's weird how he used that as a counter, as if that's what madvocate was asking. Cause, as you pointed out, you can just do that, and there are examples of it being done well (such as ITSV). Secondly, there are tons of other techniques a person can use to establish things happening at the same time, such as pov reactions to things happening.....like what they do in NWH during that scene 🫠
@@Marchers46 Are you saying it’s ridiculous in the Spider-Verse films? I say it’s an objectively better way to get across two things happening at the same time.
@@Marchers46 Even then, there are better ways to get across two things happening simultaneously. What they did was possibly the worst thing they could have done to communicate that.
I would like to commend Shandy and Madvocate for being both entertaining and logical. You guys are amazing, and if Birdman and his fans can't see it, it is their problem.
@@AmitCinematicUniverse Birdman responded to these stupid assholes with empiric logic and evidence, little bro💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 if you and daddy shandy "I can't look at someone else's perspective" da squire can't see it, then it's a shame you can vote.
Since this bird wants to use the comics, his spider sense goes off for literally anything, not just combat situations. It's the reason he reacts to threats before they happen, not just during a fight but during something as mundane as school. His spider sense literally goes from paper balls being thrown at him to missiles. He doesn't need to enter a combat mode like this is a JRPG.
It's a stupid argument even if you didn't use the comics because of the examples I provided, but it's good to know that even under his own metric he's wrong
Even in the movies in Toby’s Spider-Man we see the original spider-sense in action, dude basically paused time around him and was able to see ALL of his surroundings.
@@shandydasquire I think you'll find that time and again, he addresses the comics, but people have to go to his comment section, pull their opinions out of their asses, and then state that HE'S in the wrong? People don't admit to mistakes they didn't make.
@@randomnessltd he doesn't even admit to mistakes he DOES make, so why would I expect him to try anything remotely close to have a fair and reasonable conversation?
the gestures were still very much present. Strange would've been free from the webs after some time as they dissolve. The real trick was in finding a way back without the ring. It's almost as if he piggy backed off of Ned attempting to open a portal. The coincidence is just too convenient to be anything else.
Something that bird man also doesn’t understand is that any characters who share power sets normally use those powers in different,more powerful, or creative ways. For example captain America and spider both have super strength but guess which one is stronger. How about storm and electro with their lightning powers? You can even use the different versions of spider man and venom across games, comic, movies and tv shows in the spirt of bird man’s argument. Some versions of spider man can have differing levels of spider sense, super speed, intelligence, even fighting style. The same with venom as he’s sometimes a alien or a man made creation with some of his weaknesses changing like in spider man 2 there’s no mention of venom needing to eat chocolate but in some comics and movies like the venom movie he does. You can’t use out of universe examples of characters sharing the same name and power set with another one character in another universe to justify how strong they are. Especially comics books where even the most random characters could be written to be strong enough to fight thanos with infinity gauntlet, or galactic who isn’t in the MCU so far.
My personal favorite example of this is squirrel girl beating thanos with an army of squirrels. Is that meant to imply she is the same level of power as doctor doom or doctor strange?
@shandydasquire Another example is Paul making MJ a gauntlet that gives her the power of any Marvel character, allowing her to become a superhero named jackpot. It's just typical comic bullshit. I guess with birdman logic, if MCU MJ does become Jackpot she should be the most powerful superhero on earth no the entire universe rivaling wanda, which would be false for serval reasons that should be obvious to anyone watching the Marvel films.
After watching this for the 3rd time whilst just doing work i learnt about birdmans response whilst going through comments and i cannot get 1 minute in purely becasue it already sounds like its going to be a waste of my time. Im now gonna go endure hell
I'm back and I left a very large rant on the video comment section because no surprise it was stupid Read through it and realised it didn't really made sense and left it for how it is
What made this so sensible was realizing that Birdman defends Harry Potter inconsistencies, an Author who is the goddess of retconning her own material and then doubling down on it acting like it was her plan all along when you know she makes things up on the fly.
Why is an author using elements from the universe they built to fix an inconsistency in her story a bad thing, if something is broken you fix it it's that simple. Do you expect her to go back in time and rewrite the story?
@@joshuastoute7569 That’s not the problem. The problem is that she doubles down on it acting like it was her plan all along. Birdbrain is guilty of the same thing.
ALSO ALSO, the birdman is a moron in stating they would stop thanos if they destroy the time stone. that means that thanos still has all other stones and he cant snap... wow ok.... he will continue his current mission with 5 stones destroying half of any planet with ease, eventually killing the same numbers over time and not at once..... that is why strange chose to give the time stone, not because it was the only option to do, but the only one they stop thanos!
Ngl, even though i usually like watching birdman's content and thought going over his dispute with madvocate would've just been beating a dead horse at this point, this rebuttal was far more entertaining, in depth, and better put together than i expected
2:22:56, his persona as Th3 Birdman dislikes CinemaSins (even though Anthony Edwards doesn’t necessarily dislike it in real life) the same way that Jeremy Scott’s persona as CinemaSins dislikes movies even if Jeremy Scott doesn’t dislike them in real life
I don't mind B3rdman, but he can occasionally have some dumb takes, like this. Like, of course, magic needs to have rules. Or else the characters can just do whatever they want. Fairly Oddparents is a great example of this, as there's an entire rulebook of things that you can't wish for.
Yeah, pretty much and you've used a fantastic example because a big portion of the conflict that occurs in that show has to do with Timmy getting past the rules, like when he has his wishes granted by a Genie which leads him to trouble
@@shandydasquireThe problem there however is how rules are never established from word go just sporadically hiccup into relevant events sometimes mentioned multiple times trhoughout a season.
@@erikbihari3625 I'd say the way it's implemented is fine because it's ultimately a show made for kids with a child being the main character. Timmy brings up how he doesn't care to read the rules multiple times so Wanda has to remind him
2:02:45 14,000,605 is small when compared to infinity, but it’s more believable to me that strange went through 14,000,604 futures before he came across one where they were successful, and stopped there.
The people calling me a liar have no interest in hearing my side, or else they would be watching this video. So, for example, I have been accused of calling birdman an "ape," which is a very serious accusation as it entails that I am racist to a degree. However, if they simply watch the video, they will find out that I never once call him such a thing or any other iteration of the word (i.e., chimp, monkey...etc). I have had quite a few people who have come from birdmans video, watched my video out of curiosity, and come to the conclusion that he is incorrect in a lot of his assessments. This is the reason I'm not worried about what a handful of people with no interest in discussion have to say about me. I may look into doing a response later down the line, but at the moment, it is not the top of my priorities for content.
1:41:09 hey it’s me! Anyway, just wanted to say that this was a great video man. I loved how you deconstructed Th3Birdman’s points, and gave very reasonable explanations and defenses behind it. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of arguing with him on Twitter. Which was not only pointless, but amazed me to see how up his ass he is about himself. Nevertheless, great video once again, and I can’t wait to see more from you!
Not going to lie, after seeing bird highlighting how mad's video was about him in the intro caused me to stop watching right then and there just so I could avoid having an aneurism over the sheer stupidity of that statement alone.
1:21:08 strange teleports the gauntlet (without hand gestures since his hands are still crossed in this frame, proving further more madvocate's point) but not the box which is right there in peter's other hand... i don't know how people don't get an aneurysm from birdboy's logic (or absence of).
I would've exploded with rage in the middle of a recording session if it was me. You have the patience of a zen master. And don't bother watching his response, it's an aneurysm fuel.
patience isn't the word i would use. More like unhinged. The boy couldn't contain the constant swearing at someone for the large majority of the video. a swear isn't a counterargument. He didn't watch the video himself entirely. Otherwise he'd have realized he and Birdman actually agreed on some stuff.
@@billzerker by comparison, swearing is a lot more calm than spontaneously combusting.yes, swearing is not an argument, argument is argument, which is gave a lot of. I saw the video and shandy did not cut anything major. I really hope you are not siding with birdman.
I just found out about this whole fiasco today and decided to head over to Birdie's video to see his response, let's just say that was the dumbest 26 minutes I've ever experienced. The worst part is the comment section, which is filled with Birdstans eating the shit he vomits straight down their throats.
Why does he think spider man can easily beat strange in a fight when he also thinks strange uses magic that has no rules. By his own logic shouldn't strange be able to cast a spell that can turn spider man into bubbles or something.. ya know like the watchman scene with comedian and Manhattan "you could have turn the gun into flowers" except that movie showed us the disconnection Manhattan was having to humanity to explain why he didn't do anything sooner, in this movie movie its just more evidence that strange isnt very smart then isnt it?
Hi shandy watched first like 10 mins of birdmans p1/3 response to you and turn it off because he cuts you off before you give him benefit of the doubt with the whole him getting timestamps to madvos points and you saying "I will assume you got the points from a 3rd party" he cuts you off and talks over it anys I am a new fan and love your content and hope I can make content like yours soon keep up the good work!
A good arguement to go against people saying that the comicbook characters and the movie characters have the exact same abilities would be timing the comics have been going on for years giving peter years and years of experience and time to learn and strengthen his powers whilst movie peter has only been spiderman for a few years and so is still learning how far he can push himself. Expecting peter to defeat doctor strange because of speed blitzing, a ability never shown in the films, and a ability that is used by a much more experienced peter parker in the comics would be like asking a elden ring player who has only just completed the tutorial to defeat the hardest boss in the game on their first try it would be impossible for them to do.
When I'm having a great few days I come to see this video to remind myself that people like birdman exist and that there is nothing to be happy about, and it works phenomenally.
Hey, Shandy, is there a way for me to ask you about changes that I want to make to how magic works in MCU for my fanfiction? I would like to know what you think about some of my ideas since they would change some major events down the line. Edit: By the way, I am looking forward to watching your TASM review.
I don’t know if I’d be the most qualified for answering those questions. The best advice I could give is to make sure your magic doesn’t contradict any previous conflict by making them redundant (such as a book which can defeat any evil) and to make them have limitations so that you can’t spam them. If you magic is really powerful I would make it so that it has consequences for the caster, like maybe it takes a really long time to cast or it harms the user in some degree, like maybe reducing their life span so they can only use it a handful of times. Look at something like the berserker armour from berserk for an example of this.
@@shandydasquire Thanks. I have plans of limiting portals and increase the requirement of magic items and casting time on most spells. That would be an abridged and spoiler-free version of my ideas.
My brother and I spent an hour breaking down vibranium and how we would change the function. Glad to see we aren't the only ones unhappy with the "magic" systems.
"Strange is cocky and arrogant and is fully confident is his abilities". Yes, and Tony Stark was a cocky, arrogant, womanizing, selfish ass at the beginning of Iron Man. That is not who he was when he died to save the universe because he had CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. Strange never acts like he did at the beginning of his movie the entire time he was Doctor Strange until this movie.
Also side note but the MCU is not 616. 616 is the comic book universe and the universe that Mysterio said he was from in his fake backstory. I don't know why MoM randomly decided to tell us that the movies take place in 616 but Phase 4 forgetting what has been established in previous movies is nothing new. The MCU has always officially been Earth 199999.
@@shandydasquire Oh me too. It's absolutely amazing that Sony, who only partners with Marvel for Spiderman projects got the correct designation right and Marvel, who spent 15 years building this universe and released the merchandise that established that designation got it wrong. I've seen people try to say, "Well Kevin says it's 616, the number for the comics changed, so this can be 616 now," but no. They can't just decide the number's changed, I'm sorry.
What does the existence of curses on fiction has anything to do with “magic has no rules”? You’re just bringing up something that can be associated with magic.
@electricion712 in order to break a curse, you need to follow a set pf guidelines in order to make sure the act of lifting the curse is done correctly, else you may kill the person you are trying to save. A classic of "trying to break the spell" is beauty and the beast. Prince needs to find true love before his 21st birthday, else he will remain a monster forever
So he doesn't know what the word "consistency" means and he also doesn't know what the word "adaptation" means either? Dude is an actual meme in human form. But I digress, Great video Shandy, you deserve more views and subs.
I just want to say, it seems you're one of the few people on this planet who's suffered as I've suffered. You too, know the pain of accidentally drinking orange juice after brushing your teeth.
I just got a simply business ad which said "curl up and die" right after birdman said "first things first" to get "first things first curl up and die which was a thought everyone minus birdman thought off and now we direct to him
I watched Birdman for a while and usually I liked what he said. Though after a while I noticed how he is wrong about some things. Which wouldn't be a problem, if he wasn't so smug and condescending while being wrong. A big issue for me is his incistence on how the source Material matters for adaptations, in that plot holes arent plotholes if the books explain it.
Yeah that’s he’s problem. When he’s wrong he’s so condescending it’s hard to watch. Instead of just admitting he’s wrong he will drag us down this spiel where we can die from second hand cringe and embarrassment. He’s voice is even starting to break because internally he knows he’s wrong and he’s only solution is to straw-man the shit out of this argument.
@@tio_john i explicitly talked about plotholes in regards to source material. The source material matters, but it can't be used to explain away flaws in the adaption.
@@Soapy-chan_old sometimes it can be used, like when it's a book adaptation. but on comics movies i can agree cause comics hav a lot of difrent universes with difrent takes.
I’m really happy that finally someone is calling out Birdman (or Anthony) for his really bad takes and problematic points. It’s ironic because he once said to me in an Instagram comment that no one should mess with him because he is a master of debating. This just proves that even someone who sees themselves as a god of gods is an utter trash bag. And the fact that he tried to argue the differences in movie titles and compared it to pronunciation is just so astronomically stupid it blows my mind. If you don’t know what I mean, he went on a quick tangent in one of his Harry Potter videos about people complaining about him using the title of Sorcerer’s Stone instead of Philosopher’s Stone. Now I could go on about why this is a problem, the short version is that JK Rowling herself even admitted she regretted changing the title for American audiences and would’ve still used the original Philosopher Stone title since it’s her work. Anyway, the point is, he tried excusing his reason and then used pronunciations like “honour” as a reason why people’s criticisms is unwarranted.
@@shandydasquire I think it’s hard to stand up to someone like him because he can be potentially dangerous. I mean, with the way I’ve seen him get angry with people who disagree with him he often bands them or subtly encourages his rabid fans to harass and belittle his detractors. You don’t know what kind of shit he might do to someone who isn’t as brave
@@ulfberht4431 I mean...sure. I tend to just ignore or mute situations like that if it gets too much. So unless it physically affects my irl life then it won't be too much of a problem
@@shandydasquire I guess, but the power of influence is strong so… yeah, this is why people who have attitudes like Anthony are dangerous, be it online or in the real world. And I’m seeing this trend growing. Being sensitive is one thing but being the offender is just as bad. A middle ground where people like Birdman and Karen should learn rather than be totally one sided
Coming back here again, just my favorite video. Just incase if I come back here again and again, these are my favorite parts of the video: My habibi in allah!: 45:47 Bitch! I Just Told You1:02:21 Maybe You Can get to the point: 1:02:57 What non-combative situation?: 1:24:27 Your fucking Twitter profile is a selfie of you and you get mad at madvocate?: 1:41:08 Cringe clip 2:01:06
So I'm gonna be commenting my thoughts as I go through this video. My intention isnt to make fun of, or even harass Shandy, I figured to get the jist (or is it gist) of the situation was to watch mads video, then birdman's and now shandy's. 9:08, you address Birdman saying "So this video isn't about me, but I was mentioned multiple times" by saying "3, you were brought up 3 times". Maybe I'm just Dum-E and need more time with Stark, but isnt 3, multiple? as 2 would be a couple, and I believe 4 or more is several? Maybe I understand it wrong, and maybe it doesn't actually have anything to do with the number of times something or someone is mentioned, I'm probably just confused as I confuse easily. Roughly around the 14:50 mark you bring up wanting strange to be consistent with how he was shown in previous movies. You, I assume, think he hasn't been. I think he has been. Neither of us is wrong or right, opinions are just that, opinions, but I also wish to defend my opinion. Strange has huge ego, as evident in his first movie. Since he was the main character of his own movie, we got to see that. Such as with Stark in his movies. While Stark did tone down, if even just a miniscule amount, imo strange didn't. We just assume he did because in Endgame and infinity war we had two egotists in the movie (Well three if you count Thanos) afterwards we go back to Strange in Wayhome machine broke (I'm sorry but Mad calling it that is hilarious and I wanted to use it.) and he's made his mistakes, and is still making them, believing himself to be at his rank of Sorcerer Supreme even though he isn't, that title goes to Wong (as stated in this and MoM). So yes, he hears a problem and goes "Ah I know a spell, till be easy." Although that is me assuming a characters mindset. I don't see that as any different from how Strange has been portrayed in the MCU (which includes whatif, as its been confirmed canon, and we even see the worst case scenario of Strange's character not evolving in MoM [Spoilers].) Anyways, I hope it makes sense why I believe Strange actually has been consistent. I also hope my points didn't come across as trying to be the one who's right or that your points are wrong. If that is the case, I apologize, my brain and my typing sometimes can't keep up with each other. Note before I continue, I know my grammar in this is atrocious, but whenever I type fast I usually cant be bothered to use proper grammar or punctuation. Sometimes I'll let spellcheck catch it, or sometimes I'll type it correctly if it's how I'm used to typing it. Hopefully it isn't too annoying. Not a point you made but a point made in the video around 41:40: What if doesnt matter as even if its canon, it's a different universe. Is it? Maybe I am wrong, but the creators of what-if said it was canon, which would, if I understand the horrible argument of canon as it is (I've always had a problem with things being canon or not but I digress) is that it's the same universe, different scenarios. What if Peggy was Cap instead of Steve? What if Ultron won. What if T'Challa became Starlord instead of Quill. Zombies. Strange being evil (Also was semi addressed in MoM). So, how I view it, and it could be a wrong viewpoint, is that its the same universe, different timelines. This was weird and just a tangent, but still a thought I had. No timestamp but a very brief defense of Strange in wayback home machine broke: This movie was supposed to be after MoM but then MoM was delayed so this movie came first and Strange wasn't, apparently, even supposed to be the one who did the spell but the moving back of MoM had them make some altercations. Least from the bare minimum of research I did. Does this excuse Strange? Absolutely not, I'm just explaining what happened, from how I understand it. While I could edit out my above comment saying how I think Strange's behavior was normal and on point for who he was, see my second point in this comment, I actually wish to address something I hadn't even considered or remembered because the OG Doctor Strange movie was so long ago. I completely forgot about Strange and Mordo debating killing and finding another way, how he took an oath to do no harm. Honestly I just assumed in NWH Strange figured that even if Peter made results and strides in NWH it wouldn't have an actual effect, but that was just me assuming things. So while I think his arrogance hasnt changed, and I still will think thats part of him that was consistent, I will concede that I forgot about the earlier scene in Doctor Strange mentioned and how once reflecting, yeah that actually doesn't fit with who Strange is and has been shown to be. All in all, lovely video and I cant wait to see what else you have to bring us next.
Sorry it's taken so long to respond but haven't had much time. I'll respond the best I can to each individual point made Multiple means "any number larger than 1". The reason for why I made it clear how many times he was brought up was because I was drawing a comparison to something he complains about later, being that Madvocate skips one of his points discussing doctor in What if....? Now technically speaking it shouldn't matter if madvocate skips that point because he is talking about mainline 616 strange so birdmans first two points should have been ample, but he still felt the need to complain about it. This caused me to do the same. While I'm fine with you holding a different perspective from mine, when it comes to discussing an aspect of a characters writing and on screen actions, especially one with as little substance to gain multiple interpretations from as strange, it doesn't really become a discussion of opinion but rather on screen consistency. What actually happens and how it does/doesn't line up with what we know. Now based on your timestamp here you seem to still be early on so I won't get too into detail here as I do discuss his character more later on. But i believe there is more than enough evidence to support the claim that he is an inconsistent character. Don't worry about the grammar, I don't really care too much. You are engaging in good faith discussion which is enough for me. I make it clear in my video that I acknowledge it as canon but that it still doesn't matter for two reason. One being that these aren't the characteristics of our mainline strange and the episode of what if in question has a version of strange which more closely resembles our own strange, which makes birdmans point unreliable and pointless as a result. Yes I am familiar with that change in writing and it is unfortunate that this is the case, as I can more easily believe someone like America chavez would perform this spell rather than Strange. But despite that, we still got what we got so we have to argue over what we have and not what could have been. Not a problem, there are more than 20 movies in this franchise so I don't blame you for forgetting something. I'm trying to do it for a living and still forget stuff all the time. I do agree that Strange can still exhibit traits of being arrogant but not to this extent as it directly contradicts the lessons he learned in his first film. No probs, glad you enjoyed.
FOR THE DMC5 CUTS INTO DOOM FAIRUSE YOU GOT MY SUB, HOLY FUCKIN SHIT THAT WAS GREAT Thank you for this already, going on from there. I hope your bus rides are less angry.
Birdman is so cringe when it comes to defending mcu movies. No matter how bad it is he gets so defensive. I prefer comics to the mcu but the movies and comics are different continuities. If an Adaptation requires me to read the source material to understand the adaptation. The adaptation failed at it's job. Jurassic park is very different from the books yet most people can watch the movie and understand it just fine. Also there's a lot of stupid shit in comics that is bad but birdman says it was in the comics, therefore it's good.
I recently learned a bit about the comic series where Spiderman fights the herald of galactus. Apparently, that segment is inconsistent to the rest of the comics going forward, especially since it was released 30 years ago. I've also heard it's not very good or had a lot of silly nonsense. So that's cool 🫠
@@shandydasquire yeah comics get really annoying because any writer can just make something irrelevant at anytime given time. Like the current Spiderman run is horrendously painful. It undoes peter and mj's relationship, which the previous run had spent repairing and getting them back together. There are better examples of birdman defending his mcu daddy, like him saying shuri being black panther is okay because it happened in the comics. That was a shit run and nobody liked it. Him saying riri is okay because it happened in the comics. Again it was shit and none likes it. There's also the comic that had Gwen Stacy cheat on Peter with norman Osborn, get knocked up and that's what leads to her death. There's also a comic where aunt may fucks uncle ben and peter's dad. So yeah not everything in comics is great 🤣
Yeah some writers get really weird and write terrible stories. That's why it's always funny when birdman tries to use comics in defense of movies. Comics can be utter dog shit at times and just because something is "comic accurate" doesn't automatically make it good.
2:22:05, Th3 Birdman made a video responding to people who claim his disclaimer is inaccurate. Anthony Edwards says that if it were his genuine reaction then he’d be laughing rather than complaining but that he actually does mean his criticism of CinemaSins for their mistakes but that the hatred of CinemaSins is just part of his persona as Th3 Birdman because (to some degree) he’s playing a character.
Something I'd like to point out about the accio example birdman uses is that when a universe has rules like "This spell cannot be used on living things" generally such explanations like this don't need an explanation for how they work, so long as such an explanation doesn't affect the story. Stories try to cut out any bloat that doesn't add to a narrative and explanations like this waste time, thus they aren't included.
I completely agree, however if this rule is contradicted like he says it it, then it is a problem. Ironically enough the explanation "because it's magic" is actually good enough to explain why it works that way.
@@shandydasquireIs it explained in the books that particular charm only works on animals and not humans? Then niether birdman nor You would have a leg to stand on.
@@shandydasquireAssuming that he is talking about the Accio in the first Beasts movie, that one even isn't even breaking the rules! The scene goes like this: the main character Newt is hunting down the magical beasts that escaped from his suitcase. The one in the scene is a Niffler - a platypus/mole looking thing that has a pouch and is cleptomaniac to any jewelry/gold etc. They spot him at a jewelry shop, stuffing his pouch with the stuff, Newt points the wand at the niffler and says "Accio". The jewelry then starts flying out of the niffler to Newt, as per the charm's description, and, getting caught on the pouch of the niffler sends him flying too. That's it, that's the whole scene. I had to rewatch that scene, because for some reason I had it in my mind that he says "Accio niffler", which would be a problem, but he does not
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
8:24 First Video (Birdman’s live reaction)
1:30:43 End of First Video/2nd Video Intro
1:31:51 2nd Video (Birdman’s scripted video)
2:19:29 End of 2nd Video/Outro
My man
love this video great work. !!!
@@ryanroznowski2263: *ARE YOU FUCKING BRAIN DAMAGED?!?!? NEURO-DEFICIENCY?!?!?!? CEREBRAL PALSY?!?!?!? ALZHIMER'S?!?!?!? WHAT?!?!?*
Doing the lords work! 👍🏽
@@shandydasquireYour the ultimate cringe lord
Birdman calls madvocate a cinemasins meat rider and shandy a madvocate meat rider when his entire channel is meat riding cinemasins
Yeah, but you see, he's just a fan poking some fun 😉
Well tbh shandy is a madvocate meat rider birdmans response was meant for madvocate but shandy wanted to stand up for his pookie
Your education system must have failed you if you don't know what a friend is
@@shandydasquireWell considering you literally criticized Birdman for taking things in hindsight but then didn’t say anything when Madvocate took things in hindsight, it is pretty safe to say you are a Madvocate fanboy.
@@SkuYguY_ its almost like you defend ur friend
Birdman has two modes when criticizing media, especially comic book films/shows, because he is the biggest shill for the MCU:
- Blatantly strawmanning to make bad writing seem like it’s actually genius work.
- Equating accuracy of adaptation to being good.
That, combined with the fact that he seriously believes box office numbers and Rotten Tomatoes audience scores equate to quality, is why I’m shocked he has such a big platform.
If he was a "comic book purist" he wouldn't be able to tolerate ANY superhero movie let alone the mcu. He wouldn't even be able to tolerate most comics..
I've been told similar things by other comics fans, and based on what I've seen, it's a very inconsistent standard
If th3Birdman is so good then why isn’t there th4Birdman?
@@staplewarrior4903 I think you might be on your something
We've reached peak youtube: reacting to a reaction to a reaction to a reaction to a reaction
and most of it doesn't matter one bit. youtube politics.......
Yeah this made my head spin...
I see many comments declaring Shandy and Madvocate "lost," it's always nice to remind people why you shouldn't play chess with a pigeon.
or with a Squirrel. They have rabbies. This video is proof.
I’ve also seen a lot of people complain about Birdman getting called insults… keep in mind all this started because Birdman lost it when his video was used to bring up and address Devil’s Advocate arguments and said Cinema Sins had a couple good points and he responded with a full God forsaken video insulting Madvocate on both his intelligence and his videos every time he opened his mouth regardless of if he’s already made his rebuttal or not when Madvocate didn’t insult him once. He and his fans can dish it out but they can’t take it.
Don't you insult pigeons like that😂😂😂
15:12, the quiet black fade had me expecting a "there's nowhere to run"
I won in this video, anyone can see that. Anyone arguing against what I said here has an agenda, is butthurt, or is lying.
Madvocate man, I love you, your Flash videos are awesome, but it feels like your kicking a dead horse at this point. It comes off as very insecure when you have to say that you won, rather than just knowing that you won.
@@damienhouse7706 It's a copypasta that Birdman had originally said.
@@Silenced_Raven oh it applies to him too. Madvocate is just the one I'm seeing doing it right now.
It’s a copypasta originally stated (unironically) by your favorite flightless bird person. Also I didn’t make this video nor did I ask Shandy to make it. He made it on his own volition.
@@Madvocate like I said to the other guy, it applies to Birdman to. You just happened to be here.
I can never fathom how birdman can act so cocky and arrogant when they not only show a lack of intelligence but also show their insecurities when being challenged by another opinion. Anyways rewatched this beauty of a video and I hope to see you dunk on turdman more in the future
Bruh actually said that madvocate dislikes the MCU when he made a disclaimer at the beginning of the video saying he likes no way home, but dislikes when things are poorly thought out or otherwise stupid, I think we can all agree that every movie has flaws, and birdman srsly made his channel by being a leech to frickin cinemasins, he is a reaction UA-camr the laziest kind of UA-camr after the kind that just compiles clips of other UA-camrs together, it galls me that he acts smug about defending his made up points and acts like his reaction to someone else’s reaction to his reaction to cinemasins video is anything but a massive waste of time.
except he presented supporting facts of the things he said. He didn't go on a rant like the squirrel boy with little to no supporting evidence. he tried contradicting birdman when he actually said the very same argument that birdman was saying.
To be fair, Th3 Birdman said he thought that Madvocate disliked the MCU “in his current state” and that he only watched the part that was about him
@@billzerker No? Madvocate left it explicitely clear at the beggining of the video he liked the movie, the birdman did not bother doing basic research.
None of the points being made by the birdman were repeated by either madvocate or Shandy. Birdman's point about magic having no rules was absolutely terrible lol
@@billzerkerthe only times he repeated bird brain's points were when he was calling them out for how ridiculously and inconceivably stupid they were. and he explained his own points with actual facts established by the mcu and movie itself to back up what he was saying. tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. i guess video literacy is dead.
@@billzerkerI don't think lying, removing context, and putting words in people's mouths is providing evidence.
1:55:00 also the teleporting Thor and himself around is another example of strange not needing hand gestures for magic
Yep
I wanna believe, that that’s just a feature in the Samctum Santorum
@@GOATEditz204 ofcourse, obviously
Wait this happened 5 month ago i thougth it was years ago
It honestly feels like yesterday for me
Mordo whining about natural law intercut with Birdman's supernatural cringe killed me a bit, also died laughing didn't expect to see Aba in here xD
It would've helped if he explained why Mordo saying that was remotely relevant to his case. The "natural" law was referring to the laws of magic. Since its a power gathered through the multiverse. This is why it is addressed as "natural law".
I watched Birdbrain's response to this video, and he got things out of context so many times in the first half. Had I bothered to count, I would have probably needed more than two hands.
He also assumes things that I know to be wrong because I watched the ECUM video.
I only agreed that your Skyrim section could be handled better, but only by wishing you mentioned that you can't use magic with one hand if said hand carries something.
really? like what things? just saying he got things out of context with no supporting facts is hearsay. In your case, lies since we can all see the video and fact check your responses.
@billzerker
If there is one thing that you agree with BirdBrain on, you can bring it up, and we can focus on that. I can't bring a full analytical article in one comment.
@@billzerker
How would you like to talk about the reason Madvocate used BridBrain's real face instead of his avatar?
Because Birdbrain lied about that one.
@@AmitCinematicUniverse Translation: I was talking nonsense and have absolutely no foundation behind my comment.
@@tyler6971
You directed your comment at the wrong person.
Th3birdman: this guy doesn't like the movie.
Madvocate: I liked the movie. I really did.
The viewers: LAIR!!!!
Lair 💪🏾
LAIR 🦇🦇🦇🏠🏠
LAIR!!!! 😂
Power set does not mean the strength of those powers. We can agree that both Spiderman and Thor have "super strength" but those levels of strength are different.
Im utterly ignorant to any of this drama, I was just watching a video of his and was getting some red flags, like "if you say X I can instantly dismiss you as unintelligent" that sort of BS was setting off alarm bells. Then I got recommended this video and the comments are validating me.
It’s been an interesting few months
was it the mcu video he made?
@yulee3266 might be, I sae a bit of that one and it definitely seems like he's malding
@@shandydasquire ive seen the video and the comments and they are interesting thought i dont watch the mcu enough to really have a dog in the fight.
his arguments seems fine with some things i disagreed with
@yulee3266 yeah, fair enough. I didn't read the comments and his arguments were kinda ehh at best. Would need to watch it again to really say though
there are no rules in magic systems (ignore the fact that systems cannot exist without rules). This means Strange's magic could easily overpower Thanos regardless of how powerful he became from his naturally-occuring formed-at-the-dawn-of-the-universe infinity stones.
Oh, does this remind me when Gamingwins unironically said that magic systems shouldn't have rules in his MK11 video.
Cant actually believe this dude whose channel wouldn't even of worked if it wasnt for CinemaSins have this big of an ego.
I can’t believe you just made that up because you want an easy ❤ from another soulless movie reviewer
Someone needed to call out Jeremy's crap, it was way overdue, my dude. But Anthony does get problematically haughty.
@@thatcanadianyouhate9743 Rule of thumb: Movie reviewers are 'soulless' in one way or the other. The soullessness is variable, and things are crazier once you add these reviewers' personal biases. And also, there are many two-faced crappy 'reviewers' who dEsPiSe SM3 but love Carnage Miller's Flash crap.
@@mottom2657bro birdmans admited that there were other people calling out cinemasins before him he just didnt know abt them
@@thatcanadianyouhate9743bro what got the bird man poular?
I'm glad to see you're doing well Shandy. Even though I loved NWH (broken as it may be), I thoroughly enjoyed this takedown. A fine complementary piece to Madvocate's video. Cheers.
Agreed! I enjoy it Best when a story is both logical and emotionally satisfying. Because if one can be executed well, why not both at once?
I would like to point out that when Doc Ock saved Strange you can see him looking at the Goblin bombs and you can even see him throwing his human arms in their direction so he can use his robotic arms. I don't see how anyone can take this man seriously.
Very true, which would be consistent with how he used them in SM2. I have unironcially had people arguing that he is actually faster than sound though, so…..who knows
@@shandydasquire Those arms still protect them on their own though. That's the whole point of giving them AI - because his human brain can't control 6 arms at once instead of two. He simply gives them commands "grab this", "stop him", "kill him" and they calculate an algoritm how to do it.
@@Сайтамен yeah that seems like the reasonable thing to assume. That the AI assists him in activating the machine but the thing with that is they are programmed to follow a specific set of parameters because if they go against his control it could harm the experiment.
That is true but I'd like to point out that Dr Ock being ripped out of Spiderman 2, has been in a total of 5 fights and had the arms for a week at most. Why does he react faster than the 'Sorcerer Supreme" who has had years of combat and magic training? It makes no sense that Dr Strange simply does nothing but stare at a box like his peripheral vision is the thing that broke instead of his hands?
@@shaqilsharif9040 Yes that whole argument was weird. Obviously Spiderman is supposed to be faster than Strange and Doc Ock.
"I create a boundless world and I bind it by rules. Too heavy for a bridge? It breaks. Get hit? Take damage."
community is a really good show
1:51:33, Th3 Birdman and his friend Jay Exci disagree on this one. Since Exci agrees with CinemaSins that the source material doesn’t matter at all when dealing with adaptations but ThBirdman vehemently disagrees
You know, he had an easy point to make about strange. His characterization can explain his mistake. But its pride. Yes, his arc in the first movie is about checking his pride, but its not really solved. He still takes everything upon himself, doesnt always explain himself assuming he doesnt need to, etc. He may be improved, but it's still shown in no way home. It may not be perfect, but its close at the least
And, while theres an argument peter could beat strange, they just didnt do it well in the movie. Peters speed, agility, mobility, and surprisingly powerful precognition (which again they really need to properly show that in the movie's) could definitely make him a match. Spiderman is wack.
And a slight clarification on octavius, its based on how an octopus' arms have their own "minds". They work in tandem however, not independently. It doesnt prove birdmans point because that was not an argument for something that could have been right otherwise lmao.
My piint being that these are conceptually correct, just the movies do not execute them well. Which, is expected in the state of hollywood honestly.
@@heszedjim9699 Honestly I am confused on one point here. You say the movies dont properly show peters powers properly, and for the most part I agree, however his precognition/spidey sense I think is shown off well with 2 scenes from the movies. The bus scene with the arm hair (a scene I think could've done it so much better, but a scene nonetheless) and the scene where even outside of his own body without the ability to control it, since he understands strange as a threat, his spidey-sense/precognition is doing whatever it can to prevent strange from getting the box. It's shown well, it's not explained well.
If that was your point and my half awake brain missed it, I apologize, I'm always one to ask questions to better understand people's views, and I hope my question made sense?
@@inmentoriku7390 his body reacting while hes projected is an outlier, its not consistent in the movies. Spiderman is straight up psychic when it comes to avoiding danger, and in the fight with strange they dont show that being why he won. Its why he should have, where strange could have gone, not all out but much harder, and peters ability to avoid things on precognitive instinct allowing him to succeed
@@heszedjim9699 I still don't understand how his arm moved in stopped time. For that matter, how did Strange moves at normal speed?
Does Spider-Sense count as precognition? I know that in the comics, only Peter's daughter, Annie, has true precognition. She's able to see a little bit of the future and thats why she's one of the most important parts in Spider-Geddon comic.
The insistence of saying infinity gems instead of infinity stones has the same energy of calling someone a mangaka instead of an author. A true nerd would've called the movie version stones and comic version gems in order to showcase the differences between adaptations. They don't even have the same colors for god's sake.
At the end of the day it’s still fiction..inconsistent but still not real
@@ljblakejr…it ISNT nonfiction
@@ljblakejrfiction does not mean real
@@ljblakejr no point, just was confused for a second and then realized, so I corrected you
@@ljblakejr …the extra word “corrector” is redundant since you say correctional after
I’m sorry, the English classes are ingrained within my body
I've seen this situation many times, in my country's superhero community. Creators who have read comics are seen as a reliable source of information. I see these creator showing off how many comics they've read. Then evey time a new comicbook movie come out they praise it like it's second coming of Jesus,But I never see them tackle how inconsistent the writing has been past few years or how stupid characters have become. I think it's same for Birdman.
He wasn't the same guy Who said anyone who is a real fan of transformers should hate the Transformers 2007 movie & then proceed to say _AUTOBOTS ALWAYS HAD BLUE EYES & DECEPTICONS RED EYES_
Despite in g1 optimus had yellow eyes & Starscream had Orange eyes?
Hell, in Unicron Trilogy Optimus had Red Eyes & Megs had Blue Eyes
Prime didn't have blue eyes in G1 unless you mean Marvel G1
@@shardsoftime0952 yes, I was talking to G1 comics & the Unicron Trilogy because those were the examples that came at the moment in my mind
Loved your spiderman vids, and you condensed this very well. This comment is late by a few months due to me replaying this several times in the background and a look at your other work. Hilarious and informative, 9/10 you dived deep and some of the bits you committed to were great
Thanks for the support, I’m glad you enjoyed it.
I just love how that dummy said on his Bumblebee 2018 video that THE ONLY GOOD TRANSFORMERS CARTOON was G1 & everything after was Trash
_But remember, HE IS NOT BIASED_
NO WAY!!!
He thinks that Transformers prime and Transformers animated are trash?! How dare he?!
@@TyAmador because he's a Geewuner, Hating TFA & TFP is a requirement to be one 🤣
I absolutely loved the "supernatural/natural law" discrepancy you pointed out. the ground utterly fell out from under the guy's defense.
But it didn’t. He missed the point. Magic intentionally has soft rules and so madvocate saying it needs hard rules when it doesn’t without elaboration is bullshit. That was birdmans point. With the question about magic working on living beings being to stress the point that not only does it later but that if it did earlier it would no longer serve narrative function. This man then repeated his argument back at him with insults clearly agreeing to those points that magic isn’t always clearly defined (soft rules) and that if the spell was allowed to be used against creatures earlier in the series it would become inconsistent which he later admits even the Author says the series is therefore again agreeing with bird man. Please educate yourself
@@midashitegamer5264magic doesn’t always follow soft rules, Madvocate simply states they still follow some sort of rules. Besides that, magic has been explained to be basically a type of science in Marvel, it’s just them manipulating the laws of nature. Madvocate wasn’t arguing for hard rules either, he was explaining the inconsistencies that movie was showing with its magic, sort rules still has rules. Shandy brought up how a author will see the inconsistencies and try to fix them, he didn’t agree with Birdman.
@trentmoore6947 Funny thing is they both said the same thing about magic and are saying the other is wrong.
@@midashitegamer5264 At this point I'd have to rewatch the video to know how to respond. I honestly would like to do so after you gave a measured rebuttal, with references, but this is more effort than I can be invested in, this late in the game. Thank you anyway, earnestly, for engaging.
@@kylefrank638you have a lego killer moth profile picture. mission passed, respect +
Birdman: "You're asking them to give us a split-screen in the movie? Absurd!!!"
Meanwhile, movies: Grand Piano. Kill Bill. Requiem for a Dream. Carrie. Scott Pilgrim. Indiscreet. Sisters. Annie Hall. Stuart fucking Little 2
You forgot ang lees hulk 😁
@@shandydasquire mm, National Treasure
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 The criteria to disprove Birdman's remark is: Can a movie feature split-screen?
It doesn't matter for how long. I was pointing out that, movies know how to use split-screen. It's not unheard of.
Also, all the dislike on this video are likely from butthurt birdman's fans and didn't even watch the video
It is what it is...
It seems like it is the case.
I was curious as I see plenty of flaws in Birdman and his content as a creator. However I do enjoy his videos for the most part. That being said, I watched this vomit of a video and placed my comment for a fraction of my observations on the mistakes for the critiques of Birdman and the mistakes for the attacks on him whilst using Google screenshots of a dictionary without understanding the context or real life conversations using words like "play". He says its a bad argument plenty of times and doesn't actually explain why. It's simply a salty video for someone else reacting to another youtuber."I don't tolerate that" he says. Like who tf even is he? It's not for him to say what is tolerated on someone else's video. The viewers tolerate what they watch. The ones that don't, click out of the video and move on. This dude is so bitter over so little. It's not even hard to criticize. He complains about Dock ock being the only one using the arms as opposed to the AI aiding him even after showing footage of Dock Ock being asked about using the AI. Inhibitor chip doesn't mean he doesn't receive assistance. This dude doesn't know how to present his own argument and says "rewrite your script" and then insults him. Birdman makes the same mistake with calling people names. This is why it's a retarded move.
To be fair it can probably go both ways
How do you see the dislikes?
I came from the Madvomovies but before I can truly dive into this video, I should watch Birdman's videos but to get into those, I need to watch Madvocate's Spiderman video and to truly understand that video I need to watch Spiderman... is this some type of ponzi scheme?
But in order to watch NWH you need to watch every Raimi Spiderman and every TASM film. But I'm order to watch Raimi you need to watch the 90's cartoon. But in order to watch the cartoon you need to read the comics
@@shandydasquire but in order to read the comics you need to read the first superhero comicbook
I stopped taking birdman seriously as soon as in his Far From Home video he tried using rotten tomatoes as proof far from home is better the. Spider-Man 2 and the best live action Spider-Man movie.
That was laughable as hell. Plus, his whole "I don't know if Madvocate likes, or hates this film", when he stated his opinion in the literal first 15 seconds of the video. Really caused me to drop off from watching Th3Birdman.
@@FalonGrey tbf from start to finish he only watched parts about him so ig he didn't know stupid of him not to watch the entire video
Wait, Birdbrain thinks that Far From Home is better than Spider-Man 2?
@@jeppyjep
Yes. He said it in his "Everything Wrong With Cinema Sins' Far From Home" video.
Also, Far From Home sucks.
I hate that movie so much.
I think the problem with B3rdman is that he's incapable of understanding the idea that adaptations are not always 1-1. That despite sharing similarities, the comic and MCU universe are 2 separate things. I'd love to see him explain The Boys, considering that show follows the comics about as faithfully as Dragonball Evolution.
Man, i'd really like to see that happen. Would be the most fun I could have in years!🙏😈(because hungary is Lucifer/mephisto's armpit).
That's a good thing too, 'cause the The Boys comic is terrible.
What are you talking about? Only thing he compares is power set of the comic characters and mcu characters which are set in stone Peter Parker’s powers are the same no matter what but his stories can change depending on the writer he does not compare plot
@@envythagoat except to defend Peter beating strange be brought up a feat from the comics of him fighting a herald of galactus like it was relevant
@@jorgewilks1440 he was talking about his speed? Literally how his powers and abilities were used to beat someone in the comics then compared it to how he beat Dr strange with those same powers….
My favorite thing right now is just to find the people who obviously havent watched the video and left like 10 comments insulting you/ Regurgitating points from birdman.
I don't even necessarily even have an opinion on this, But damn its mostly yall birdman fans in here. Yall need to actually make your own points or at least watch the vid your hateing.
Pretty much. My personal favorite is people accusing me of calling birdman an ape and then not providing evidence (a timestamp) of me saying it. Love being falsely accused of being a racist
Calling BirBrain an ape implies that apes are as stupid as he is. Honestly, it would be more of an insult to the apes than to him.
@@AmitCinematicUniverseya really got him 😂 good one 😂 if your mom was still alive she’d laugh at it too
@@dvnlake6610
What are you talking about?
@@AmitCinematicUniverse dudes dead mom would laugh at the dumb shit he said. Can you not read?
1:29:50
So, both Spider-Verse films do this multiple times, and here we have Birdman saying they _cannot_ split the screen to show two things happening at the same time. That’s absurd; yes, they can.
Yeah, it's weird how he used that as a counter, as if that's what madvocate was asking.
Cause, as you pointed out, you can just do that, and there are examples of it being done well (such as ITSV).
Secondly, there are tons of other techniques a person can use to establish things happening at the same time, such as pov reactions to things happening.....like what they do in NWH during that scene 🫠
But he isn’t saying that though; he’s saying that it would be ridiculous to do so when the audience can just fill in the blanks themselves.
@@Marchers46
Are you saying it’s ridiculous in the Spider-Verse films? I say it’s an objectively better way to get across two things happening at the same time.
@@Don-Scrima No, not at all, but I’m just saying that it’s weird to do something like that for such a quick and short scene.
@@Marchers46
Even then, there are better ways to get across two things happening simultaneously. What they did was possibly the worst thing they could have done to communicate that.
The guy should be known as Birdbrain
Hey hey, birds are way smarter than him
@@Soapy-chan_old
This is a fair point.
did you need to rehearse that one?
I would like to commend Shandy and Madvocate for being both entertaining and logical. You guys are amazing, and if Birdman and his fans can't see it, it is their problem.
Thanks man, appreciate it. We both do
@@shandydasquire
I am glad to be helpful.
@@AmitCinematicUniverse Birdman responded to these stupid assholes with empiric logic and evidence, little bro💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 if you and daddy shandy "I can't look at someone else's perspective" da squire can't see it, then it's a shame you can vote.
Am I the only one imagining Shandy and Madvocate tag-teaming and doing the "Fight Back" meme to Birdman
More like the jo jo meme where me, madvocate, ecum and our viewers beat him up while he's on the floor
This is amazing.
It's the response to the response to the criticism of the criticism of a nitpick of a sequel based on a comic-book.
Just wait until you see the sequel
@@shandydasquire
I'm eager to see what other whacky shenanigans ensue thanks to Mr. Bird's logical extrusions.
Since this bird wants to use the comics, his spider sense goes off for literally anything, not just combat situations. It's the reason he reacts to threats before they happen, not just during a fight but during something as mundane as school. His spider sense literally goes from paper balls being thrown at him to missiles. He doesn't need to enter a combat mode like this is a JRPG.
It's a stupid argument even if you didn't use the comics because of the examples I provided, but it's good to know that even under his own metric he's wrong
His spider sense goes off for anything he percieves as a threat.
Even in the movies in Toby’s Spider-Man we see the original spider-sense in action, dude basically paused time around him and was able to see ALL of his surroundings.
@@shandydasquire I think you'll find that time and again, he addresses the comics, but people have to go to his comment section, pull their opinions out of their asses, and then state that HE'S in the wrong? People don't admit to mistakes they didn't make.
@@randomnessltd he doesn't even admit to mistakes he DOES make, so why would I expect him to try anything remotely close to have a fair and reasonable conversation?
1:18:50 How did nobody mention the scene with master Hamir and ancient one saying "It's not about your HANDS"??!!
the gestures were still very much present. Strange would've been free from the webs after some time as they dissolve. The real trick was in finding a way back without the ring. It's almost as if he piggy backed off of Ned attempting to open a portal. The coincidence is just too convenient to be anything else.
your insults are creative.
I have thoroughly enjoyed this so far
yeah real creative. i bet he rehearsed it quite a bit before recording. XD
@@billzerker you have to admit the bulk of his insults are very unusual, which is notably better than the same "you shitter" for the billionth time
Something that bird man also doesn’t understand is that any characters who share power sets normally use those powers in different,more powerful, or creative ways. For example captain America and spider both have super strength but guess which one is stronger. How about storm and electro with their lightning powers? You can even use the different versions of spider man and venom across games, comic, movies and tv shows in the spirt of bird man’s argument. Some versions of spider man can have differing levels of spider sense, super speed, intelligence, even fighting style. The same with venom as he’s sometimes a alien or a man made creation with some of his weaknesses changing like in spider man 2 there’s no mention of venom needing to eat chocolate but in some comics and movies like the venom movie he does. You can’t use out of universe examples of characters sharing the same name and power set with another one character in another universe to justify how strong they are. Especially comics books where even the most random characters could be written to be strong enough to fight thanos with infinity gauntlet, or galactic who isn’t in the MCU so far.
My personal favorite example of this is squirrel girl beating thanos with an army of squirrels. Is that meant to imply she is the same level of power as doctor doom or doctor strange?
@shandydasquire Another example is Paul making MJ a gauntlet that gives her the power of any Marvel character, allowing her to become a superhero named jackpot. It's just typical comic bullshit. I guess with birdman logic, if MCU MJ does become Jackpot she should be the most powerful superhero on earth no the entire universe rivaling wanda, which would be false for serval reasons that should be obvious to anyone watching the Marvel films.
*Uses sound logic* "Ur just a Madvocate meatrider" Says the dude whose chanel is built of the back cinemasins
After watching this for the 3rd time whilst just doing work i learnt about birdmans response whilst going through comments and i cannot get 1 minute in purely becasue it already sounds like its going to be a waste of my time. Im now gonna go endure hell
I'm back and I left a very large rant on the video comment section because no surprise it was stupid
Read through it and realised it didn't really made sense and left it for how it is
What made this so sensible was realizing that Birdman defends Harry Potter inconsistencies, an Author who is the goddess of retconning her own material and then doubling down on it acting like it was her plan all along when you know she makes things up on the fly.
Oof, yeah. That is a yikes. It should be evident when he uses a different IP to defend marvels inconsistencies, but yeah. Might as well go all in.
Why is an author using elements from the universe they built to fix an inconsistency in her story a bad thing, if something is broken you fix it it's that simple. Do you expect her to go back in time and rewrite the story?
@@joshuastoute7569 That’s not the problem. The problem is that she doubles down on it acting like it was her plan all along. Birdbrain is guilty of the same thing.
defending harry potter? he used it as reference for the point he was making. It's not the same thing. harry potter is garbage.
@@billzerkerHow I worded it was that it was separate in of itself.
ALSO ALSO, the birdman is a moron in stating they would stop thanos if they destroy the time stone. that means that thanos still has all other stones and he cant snap... wow ok.... he will continue his current mission with 5 stones destroying half of any planet with ease, eventually killing the same numbers over time and not at once..... that is why strange chose to give the time stone, not because it was the only option to do, but the only one they stop thanos!
except Thor beat him in a single blow even with all the stones. If he was lacking it, he would've died vs Thor.
12:05, it’s definitely within the realm of possibility that he was given time stamps by whomever it was who directed him to this video
Ngl, even though i usually like watching birdman's content and thought going over his dispute with madvocate would've just been beating a dead horse at this point, this rebuttal was far more entertaining, in depth, and better put together than i expected
Thanks a lot, I really tried not making this a by the books response
@@shandydasquireSometimes it's not necessarily a bad thing. Have you seen how off the rails game of thrones go to surprise the viewers?
2:22:56, his persona as Th3 Birdman dislikes CinemaSins (even though Anthony Edwards doesn’t necessarily dislike it in real life) the same way that Jeremy Scott’s persona as CinemaSins dislikes movies even if Jeremy Scott doesn’t dislike them in real life
I don't mind B3rdman, but he can occasionally have some dumb takes, like this. Like, of course, magic needs to have rules. Or else the characters can just do whatever they want. Fairly Oddparents is a great example of this, as there's an entire rulebook of things that you can't wish for.
Yeah, pretty much and you've used a fantastic example because a big portion of the conflict that occurs in that show has to do with Timmy getting past the rules, like when he has his wishes granted by a Genie which leads him to trouble
@@shandydasquireThe problem there however is how rules are never established from word go just sporadically hiccup into relevant events sometimes mentioned multiple times trhoughout a season.
@@erikbihari3625 I'd say the way it's implemented is fine because it's ultimately a show made for kids with a child being the main character. Timmy brings up how he doesn't care to read the rules multiple times so Wanda has to remind him
@@shandydasquireStill it's a consistent feature of burch hartman's shows.
@@erikbihari3625 Yeah, it's also like Marvel's magic where they forgot about the rules later on just like Fairly Odd Parent's later seasons
2:02:45 14,000,605 is small when compared to infinity, but it’s more believable to me that strange went through 14,000,604 futures before he came across one where they were successful, and stopped there.
You should do something about this situation. A lot of people are calling you a liar. You can’t let Birdman get away with this.
The people calling me a liar have no interest in hearing my side, or else they would be watching this video.
So, for example, I have been accused of calling birdman an "ape," which is a very serious accusation as it entails that I am racist to a degree. However, if they simply watch the video, they will find out that I never once call him such a thing or any other iteration of the word (i.e., chimp, monkey...etc).
I have had quite a few people who have come from birdmans video, watched my video out of curiosity, and come to the conclusion that he is incorrect in a lot of his assessments. This is the reason I'm not worried about what a handful of people with no interest in discussion have to say about me.
I may look into doing a response later down the line, but at the moment, it is not the top of my priorities for content.
@@shandydasquire its weird the ape accusation, because Birdman didn’t complain about it in his video. Where did they get that info?
@doctoromega009 if that's the case, then I do not know. Maybe it was something that was said in his comments section?
Rewatched this pretty recently. Still excellent, and one of my favourites. Never change, Mr. Squirrelman!
@stygames5450 ahh, thanks 😊
1:41:09 hey it’s me! Anyway, just wanted to say that this was a great video man. I loved how you deconstructed Th3Birdman’s points, and gave very reasonable explanations and defenses behind it. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of arguing with him on Twitter. Which was not only pointless, but amazed me to see how up his ass he is about himself. Nevertheless, great video once again, and I can’t wait to see more from you!
1:04:08, it’s a Sherlock Holmes reference. Watson is the narrator and Doyle was the writer
Not going to lie, after seeing bird highlighting how mad's video was about him in the intro caused me to stop watching right then and there just so I could avoid having an aneurism over the sheer stupidity of that statement alone.
Kek w
1:21:08 strange teleports the gauntlet (without hand gestures since his hands are still crossed in this frame, proving further more madvocate's point) but not the box which is right there in peter's other hand... i don't know how people don't get an aneurysm from birdboy's logic (or absence of).
Ok soooooo. Spider-Man Reign isn’t canon and main line Peter has been shown to not kill people by having sex with them.
Dammit
@@shandydasquire haha aside from that your video was fantastic and you utterly destroyed bird brain.
I would've exploded with rage in the middle of a recording session if it was me. You have the patience of a zen master.
And don't bother watching his response, it's an aneurysm fuel.
patience isn't the word i would use. More like unhinged. The boy couldn't contain the constant swearing at someone for the large majority of the video. a swear isn't a counterargument. He didn't watch the video himself entirely. Otherwise he'd have realized he and Birdman actually agreed on some stuff.
@@billzerker by comparison, swearing is a lot more calm than spontaneously combusting.yes, swearing is not an argument, argument is argument, which is gave a lot of. I saw the video and shandy did not cut anything major. I really hope you are not siding with birdman.
I just found out about this whole fiasco today and decided to head over to Birdie's video to see his response, let's just say that was the dumbest 26 minutes I've ever experienced. The worst part is the comment section, which is filled with Birdstans eating the shit he vomits straight down their throats.
Is that THE SonicHedgehog1991???
Why does he think spider man can easily beat strange in a fight when he also thinks strange uses magic that has no rules. By his own logic shouldn't strange be able to cast a spell that can turn spider man into bubbles or something.. ya know like the watchman scene with comedian and Manhattan "you could have turn the gun into flowers" except that movie showed us the disconnection Manhattan was having to humanity to explain why he didn't do anything sooner, in this movie movie its just more evidence that strange isnt very smart then isnt it?
Cause he thinks the movie is good, probably. I dunno
Hi shandy watched first like 10 mins of birdmans p1/3 response to you and turn it off because he cuts you off before you give him benefit of the doubt with the whole him getting timestamps to madvos points and you saying "I will assume you got the points from a 3rd party" he cuts you off and talks over it anys I am a new fan and love your content and hope I can make content like yours soon keep up the good work!
Thanks chief, new content should be coming soonish
Birdman is basically that guy who surround himself with dumb people just to look "Smarter & More Intelligent"
This is great popcorn. Petty squabbles, passionate shandy. subbed.
A good arguement to go against people saying that the comicbook characters and the movie characters have the exact same abilities would be timing the comics have been going on for years giving peter years and years of experience and time to learn and strengthen his powers whilst movie peter has only been spiderman for a few years and so is still learning how far he can push himself. Expecting peter to defeat doctor strange because of speed blitzing, a ability never shown in the films, and a ability that is used by a much more experienced peter parker in the comics would be like asking a elden ring player who has only just completed the tutorial to defeat the hardest boss in the game on their first try it would be impossible for them to do.
Th3Birdman is truly, the dampest of mattresses.
I like that one, mind if I use it 😂
@@shandydasquire Go for it. I'd love to supply UA-cam with royalty free rare insults.
@@mr.machete6690 nice
When I'm having a great few days I come to see this video to remind myself that people like birdman exist and that there is nothing to be happy about, and it works phenomenally.
Hey, Shandy, is there a way for me to ask you about changes that I want to make to how magic works in MCU for my fanfiction? I would like to know what you think about some of my ideas since they would change some major events down the line.
Edit: By the way, I am looking forward to watching your TASM review.
I don’t know if I’d be the most qualified for answering those questions. The best advice I could give is to make sure your magic doesn’t contradict any previous conflict by making them redundant (such as a book which can defeat any evil) and to make them have limitations so that you can’t spam them. If you magic is really powerful I would make it so that it has consequences for the caster, like maybe it takes a really long time to cast or it harms the user in some degree, like maybe reducing their life span so they can only use it a handful of times. Look at something like the berserker armour from berserk for an example of this.
@@shandydasquire
Thanks. I have plans of limiting portals and increase the requirement of magic items and casting time on most spells. That would be an abridged and spoiler-free version of my ideas.
My brother and I spent an hour breaking down vibranium and how we would change the function. Glad to see we aren't the only ones unhappy with the "magic" systems.
@@willow1601
I am glad I am not alone in this boat.
Do you also work on a fanfiction where your changes apply? Because I would love to read it.
@@AmitCinematicUniverse Never written any before just brainstorming.
"Strange is cocky and arrogant and is fully confident is his abilities". Yes, and Tony Stark was a cocky, arrogant, womanizing, selfish ass at the beginning of Iron Man. That is not who he was when he died to save the universe because he had CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. Strange never acts like he did at the beginning of his movie the entire time he was Doctor Strange until this movie.
Also side note but the MCU is not 616. 616 is the comic book universe and the universe that Mysterio said he was from in his fake backstory. I don't know why MoM randomly decided to tell us that the movies take place in 616 but Phase 4 forgetting what has been established in previous movies is nothing new. The MCU has always officially been Earth 199999.
@@parycartoons6840 absolutely love that Miguel referred to the MCU as 199999 while also calling mcu peter a dork and doctor strange an idiot
@@shandydasquire Oh me too. It's absolutely amazing that Sony, who only partners with Marvel for Spiderman projects got the correct designation right and Marvel, who spent 15 years building this universe and released the merchandise that established that designation got it wrong. I've seen people try to say, "Well Kevin says it's 616, the number for the comics changed, so this can be 616 now," but no. They can't just decide the number's changed, I'm sorry.
@@parycartoons6840 MCU try not to hold an L challenege: IMPOSSIBLE
Birdman more like Turdman
Who is the Guy saying "redraft your script"?
Just to drill down on "magic has no rules" when things like curses exist in fiction which are almost exclusively based on hardline rules of magic
Quite a phenomenal fuck up on his end
@@shandydasquirehonestly this is the only real point in this video that makes sense. Everything else is a bad nut
What does the existence of curses on fiction has anything to do with “magic has no rules”? You’re just bringing up something that can be associated with magic.
@electricion712 in order to break a curse, you need to follow a set pf guidelines in order to make sure the act of lifting the curse is done correctly, else you may kill the person you are trying to save. A classic of "trying to break the spell" is beauty and the beast. Prince needs to find true love before his 21st birthday, else he will remain a monster forever
23:48
Is that the Force Unleashed theme my nostalgically-calibrated ears are picking up?
Yep
@@shandydasquire
Nice touch.
Shout out to Shandy and Madvocate for being the smartest and most entertaining UA-camrs to have ever feature Birdman's voice in their videos.
listening to the deranged arguments of thebirdman makes me wanna burst my own eardrums with a pencil
That would be pretty bad for your health
Bro u are absolutely funny. My respect for u and madvocate after this video ⬆️⬆️
2 hours to get across a point that could’ve taken 15-20 mins instead is W I L D
Damn bro, that’s C R A Z Y
@@shandydasquire right?
Isn't 3 times also multiple lol. Bro fired up
bird man is gonna be like,”you have over 1k,”while ignoring time with a video quite a bit about time also congrats
Birdman makes me believe that it is possible for humans to have negative braincells
Darth cameo? A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
A prequel fan? You are a bold one!
So he doesn't know what the word "consistency" means and he also doesn't know what the word "adaptation" means either? Dude is an actual meme in human form.
But I digress, Great video Shandy, you deserve more views and subs.
Th3birdman? If so, then Yup! It's like if Johnny bravo was turned into a black korean youtuber but all the ego intact.
I just want to say, it seems you're one of the few people on this planet who's suffered as I've suffered. You too, know the pain of accidentally drinking orange juice after brushing your teeth.
Why did you make another video, despite that one comment under your SM2 vid that specifically said not to? :Kappa:
I just got a simply business ad which said "curl up and die" right after birdman said "first things first" to get "first things first curl up and die which was a thought everyone minus birdman thought off and now we direct to him
I watched Birdman for a while and usually I liked what he said. Though after a while I noticed how he is wrong about some things. Which wouldn't be a problem, if he wasn't so smug and condescending while being wrong.
A big issue for me is his incistence on how the source Material matters for adaptations, in that plot holes arent plotholes if the books explain it.
Yeah that’s he’s problem. When he’s wrong he’s so condescending it’s hard to watch. Instead of just admitting he’s wrong he will drag us down this spiel where we can die from second hand cringe and embarrassment.
He’s voice is even starting to break because internally he knows he’s wrong and he’s only solution is to straw-man the shit out of this argument.
@@prospersikhwari5289 yeah it sucks
agreed but source material metters and comparing to the books is inevitable.
@@tio_john i explicitly talked about plotholes in regards to source material. The source material matters, but it can't be used to explain away flaws in the adaption.
@@Soapy-chan_old sometimes it can be used, like when it's a book adaptation. but on comics movies i can agree cause comics hav a lot of difrent universes with difrent takes.
I’m really happy that finally someone is calling out Birdman (or Anthony) for his really bad takes and problematic points. It’s ironic because he once said to me in an Instagram comment that no one should mess with him because he is a master of debating. This just proves that even someone who sees themselves as a god of gods is an utter trash bag. And the fact that he tried to argue the differences in movie titles and compared it to pronunciation is just so astronomically stupid it blows my mind.
If you don’t know what I mean, he went on a quick tangent in one of his Harry Potter videos about people complaining about him using the title of Sorcerer’s Stone instead of Philosopher’s Stone. Now I could go on about why this is a problem, the short version is that JK Rowling herself even admitted she regretted changing the title for American audiences and would’ve still used the original Philosopher Stone title since it’s her work. Anyway, the point is, he tried excusing his reason and then used pronunciations like “honour” as a reason why people’s criticisms is unwarranted.
It’s genuinely not hard, he didn’t do the best in terms of defending himself
@@shandydasquire
I think it’s hard to stand up to someone like him because he can be potentially dangerous. I mean, with the way I’ve seen him get angry with people who disagree with him he often bands them or subtly encourages his rabid fans to harass and belittle his detractors. You don’t know what kind of shit he might do to someone who isn’t as brave
@@ulfberht4431 I mean...sure. I tend to just ignore or mute situations like that if it gets too much. So unless it physically affects my irl life then it won't be too much of a problem
@@shandydasquire
I guess, but the power of influence is strong so… yeah, this is why people who have attitudes like Anthony are dangerous, be it online or in the real world. And I’m seeing this trend growing. Being sensitive is one thing but being the offender is just as bad. A middle ground where people like Birdman and Karen should learn rather than be totally one sided
@@ulfberht4431 wait, who's Karen?
Coming back here again, just my favorite video.
Just incase if I come back here again and again, these are my favorite parts of the video:
My habibi in allah!: 45:47
Bitch! I Just Told You1:02:21
Maybe You Can get to the point:
1:02:57
What non-combative situation?:
1:24:27
Your fucking Twitter profile is a selfie of you and you get mad at madvocate?: 1:41:08
Cringe clip 2:01:06
I know right? Thanks for the time stamps.
1:41:35 I believe Birdman was referring to the "Fast and The Furious" Movies, not Family Guy.
I know, I didn't include the joke because I wanted my viewers to still be conscious
@@shandydasquire I See, Don't worry then, ignore me, but great video regardless.
Love your videos bro!
This aged well.
Indeed
Wdym
So I'm gonna be commenting my thoughts as I go through this video. My intention isnt to make fun of, or even harass Shandy, I figured to get the jist (or is it gist) of the situation was to watch mads video, then birdman's and now shandy's.
9:08, you address Birdman saying "So this video isn't about me, but I was mentioned multiple times" by saying "3, you were brought up 3 times". Maybe I'm just Dum-E and need more time with Stark, but isnt 3, multiple? as 2 would be a couple, and I believe 4 or more is several? Maybe I understand it wrong, and maybe it doesn't actually have anything to do with the number of times something or someone is mentioned, I'm probably just confused as I confuse easily.
Roughly around the 14:50 mark you bring up wanting strange to be consistent with how he was shown in previous movies. You, I assume, think he hasn't been. I think he has been. Neither of us is wrong or right, opinions are just that, opinions, but I also wish to defend my opinion. Strange has huge ego, as evident in his first movie. Since he was the main character of his own movie, we got to see that. Such as with Stark in his movies. While Stark did tone down, if even just a miniscule amount, imo strange didn't. We just assume he did because in Endgame and infinity war we had two egotists in the movie (Well three if you count Thanos) afterwards we go back to Strange in Wayhome machine broke (I'm sorry but Mad calling it that is hilarious and I wanted to use it.) and he's made his mistakes, and is still making them, believing himself to be at his rank of Sorcerer Supreme even though he isn't, that title goes to Wong (as stated in this and MoM). So yes, he hears a problem and goes "Ah I know a spell, till be easy." Although that is me assuming a characters mindset. I don't see that as any different from how Strange has been portrayed in the MCU (which includes whatif, as its been confirmed canon, and we even see the worst case scenario of Strange's character not evolving in MoM [Spoilers].) Anyways, I hope it makes sense why I believe Strange actually has been consistent. I also hope my points didn't come across as trying to be the one who's right or that your points are wrong. If that is the case, I apologize, my brain and my typing sometimes can't keep up with each other.
Note before I continue, I know my grammar in this is atrocious, but whenever I type fast I usually cant be bothered to use proper grammar or punctuation. Sometimes I'll let spellcheck catch it, or sometimes I'll type it correctly if it's how I'm used to typing it. Hopefully it isn't too annoying.
Not a point you made but a point made in the video around 41:40: What if doesnt matter as even if its canon, it's a different universe. Is it? Maybe I am wrong, but the creators of what-if said it was canon, which would, if I understand the horrible argument of canon as it is (I've always had a problem with things being canon or not but I digress) is that it's the same universe, different scenarios. What if Peggy was Cap instead of Steve? What if Ultron won. What if T'Challa became Starlord instead of Quill. Zombies. Strange being evil (Also was semi addressed in MoM). So, how I view it, and it could be a wrong viewpoint, is that its the same universe, different timelines. This was weird and just a tangent, but still a thought I had.
No timestamp but a very brief defense of Strange in wayback home machine broke: This movie was supposed to be after MoM but then MoM was delayed so this movie came first and Strange wasn't, apparently, even supposed to be the one who did the spell but the moving back of MoM had them make some altercations. Least from the bare minimum of research I did. Does this excuse Strange? Absolutely not, I'm just explaining what happened, from how I understand it.
While I could edit out my above comment saying how I think Strange's behavior was normal and on point for who he was, see my second point in this comment, I actually wish to address something I hadn't even considered or remembered because the OG Doctor Strange movie was so long ago. I completely forgot about Strange and Mordo debating killing and finding another way, how he took an oath to do no harm. Honestly I just assumed in NWH Strange figured that even if Peter made results and strides in NWH it wouldn't have an actual effect, but that was just me assuming things. So while I think his arrogance hasnt changed, and I still will think thats part of him that was consistent, I will concede that I forgot about the earlier scene in Doctor Strange mentioned and how once reflecting, yeah that actually doesn't fit with who Strange is and has been shown to be.
All in all, lovely video and I cant wait to see what else you have to bring us next.
Sorry it's taken so long to respond but haven't had much time. I'll respond the best I can to each individual point made
Multiple means "any number larger than 1". The reason for why I made it clear how many times he was brought up was because I was drawing a comparison to something he complains about later, being that Madvocate skips one of his points discussing doctor in What if....? Now technically speaking it shouldn't matter if madvocate skips that point because he is talking about mainline 616 strange so birdmans first two points should have been ample, but he still felt the need to complain about it. This caused me to do the same.
While I'm fine with you holding a different perspective from mine, when it comes to discussing an aspect of a characters writing and on screen actions, especially one with as little substance to gain multiple interpretations from as strange, it doesn't really become a discussion of opinion but rather on screen consistency. What actually happens and how it does/doesn't line up with what we know. Now based on your timestamp here you seem to still be early on so I won't get too into detail here as I do discuss his character more later on. But i believe there is more than enough evidence to support the claim that he is an inconsistent character.
Don't worry about the grammar, I don't really care too much. You are engaging in good faith discussion which is enough for me.
I make it clear in my video that I acknowledge it as canon but that it still doesn't matter for two reason. One being that these aren't the characteristics of our mainline strange and the episode of what if in question has a version of strange which more closely resembles our own strange, which makes birdmans point unreliable and pointless as a result.
Yes I am familiar with that change in writing and it is unfortunate that this is the case, as I can more easily believe someone like America chavez would perform this spell rather than Strange. But despite that, we still got what we got so we have to argue over what we have and not what could have been.
Not a problem, there are more than 20 movies in this franchise so I don't blame you for forgetting something. I'm trying to do it for a living and still forget stuff all the time. I do agree that Strange can still exhibit traits of being arrogant but not to this extent as it directly contradicts the lessons he learned in his first film.
No probs, glad you enjoyed.
FOR THE DMC5 CUTS INTO DOOM FAIRUSE
YOU GOT MY SUB, HOLY FUCKIN SHIT THAT WAS GREAT
Thank you for this already, going on from there. I hope your bus rides are less angry.
Birdman is so cringe when it comes to defending mcu movies. No matter how bad it is he gets so defensive. I prefer comics to the mcu but the movies and comics are different continuities. If an Adaptation requires me to read the source material to understand the adaptation. The adaptation failed at it's job. Jurassic park is very different from the books yet most people can watch the movie and understand it just fine. Also there's a lot of stupid shit in comics that is bad but birdman says it was in the comics, therefore it's good.
I recently learned a bit about the comic series where Spiderman fights the herald of galactus. Apparently, that segment is inconsistent to the rest of the comics going forward, especially since it was released 30 years ago. I've also heard it's not very good or had a lot of silly nonsense. So that's cool 🫠
@@shandydasquire yeah comics get really annoying because any writer can just make something irrelevant at anytime given time. Like the current Spiderman run is horrendously painful. It undoes peter and mj's relationship, which the previous run had spent repairing and getting them back together. There are better examples of birdman defending his mcu daddy, like him saying shuri being black panther is okay because it happened in the comics. That was a shit run and nobody liked it. Him saying riri is okay because it happened in the comics. Again it was shit and none likes it. There's also the comic that had Gwen Stacy cheat on Peter with norman Osborn, get knocked up and that's what leads to her death. There's also a comic where aunt may fucks uncle ben and peter's dad. So yeah not everything in comics is great 🤣
@@bulletxwound3559 I uhh..... what?
Yeah some writers get really weird and write terrible stories. That's why it's always funny when birdman tries to use comics in defense of movies. Comics can be utter dog shit at times and just because something is "comic accurate" doesn't automatically make it good.
2:22:05, Th3 Birdman made a video responding to people who claim his disclaimer is inaccurate. Anthony Edwards says that if it were his genuine reaction then he’d be laughing rather than complaining but that he actually does mean his criticism of CinemaSins for their mistakes but that the hatred of CinemaSins is just part of his persona as Th3 Birdman because (to some degree) he’s playing a character.
Something I'd like to point out about the accio example birdman uses is that when a universe has rules like "This spell cannot be used on living things" generally such explanations like this don't need an explanation for how they work, so long as such an explanation doesn't affect the story. Stories try to cut out any bloat that doesn't add to a narrative and explanations like this waste time, thus they aren't included.
I completely agree, however if this rule is contradicted like he says it it, then it is a problem. Ironically enough the explanation "because it's magic" is actually good enough to explain why it works that way.
@@shandydasquireIs it explained in the books that particular charm only works on animals and not humans? Then niether birdman nor You would have a leg to stand on.
@@shandydasquireAssuming that he is talking about the Accio in the first Beasts movie, that one even isn't even breaking the rules! The scene goes like this: the main character Newt is hunting down the magical beasts that escaped from his suitcase. The one in the scene is a Niffler - a platypus/mole looking thing that has a pouch and is cleptomaniac to any jewelry/gold etc. They spot him at a jewelry shop, stuffing his pouch with the stuff, Newt points the wand at the niffler and says "Accio". The jewelry then starts flying out of the niffler to Newt, as per the charm's description, and, getting caught on the pouch of the niffler sends him flying too. That's it, that's the whole scene. I had to rewatch that scene, because for some reason I had it in my mind that he says "Accio niffler", which would be a problem, but he does not
@@erikbihari3625Yes, it's implied that the Accio spell only works with objects and small animals, but not with humans