Jeremy Corbyn: Owen Jones and Toby Young debate
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- Owen Jones and Toby Young debate the rise - and the economic credentials - of Jeremy Corbyn.
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Thank God at least there is still some media in the UK that will give Corbyn some kind of hearing, even if they insist on including Toby Young.
The way the media is treating Corbyn is a disgrace and is a theat to democracy.
SJW101, the political gamer 'A threat to democracy' - please elaborate on that?
botor5
I have done so on my youtube channel. Feel free to comment on that and I will respond.
SJW101, the political gamer 1: You believe people do not have the capacity to act autonomously with regard to voting? 2: You believe democracy is under threat via distributions of privately run media outlets? 3: You believe that 'the media' is a threat to democracy, but only cite the mail. The telegraph piece is analytic, considering corbyn did call hamas members 'friends'. Do the times, telegraph, mirror and guardian engage in the behaviour of the mail? 4: You don't believe a potential PM should be critiqued on ties to anti-semites, Hamas and Hezbollah, the IRA and more recently, Russia? The Mail infers, people can reach whatever judgement they want. 5: You straw-man an argument by attacking the mail's corbyn piece by referring to a 70 year old support of Hitler (?!). If you believe democracy is under threat, due to private media outlets airing views, or critiquing a leader, whilst we maintain free and voluntary voting, with the autonomy and rationality to weigh up decisions, well then, I'm afraid you're wrong
botor5
1. You don't believe the media influences peoples voting decisions? And you don't think the media plays a role in discrediting or promoting a political leader?
2. You don't think that a media campaign to discredit a potential leader threatens the democratic process?
3. I cite the mail as the largest English language news source in the world and as the newspaper that is considered by most analysts to have the greatest influence on voters. The telegraphs tabloid style headline was relevant. I included a picture of the Sun's headline the day before the election. The Mail is the worst offender in my opinion because it has a fake pretence of respectability. The Guardian doesn't do hit pieces like that, even though they are biased.
4, Not that kind of hit piece. Defend that piece to me please. Explain how the word of an extremist with no secondary sources warrants publication in a national newspaper / international internet publication.
5. It is relevant because the Mail invokes references to the Holocaust and the Jews.
I'm afraid you're wrong on this and you don't understand witch hunts like this damage democracy.
SJW101, the political gamer 1: Yes, I never said they didn't, but to think people have no autonomy or rationality to decide for themselves is patronising and condescending. 2: Not at all, must all media be objective, what about the anti-tory vitriol in the mirrorl? Are we coerced into voting for the cons? Do we maintain a free, voluntary, system for voting for whatever party we please? You believe a democratic system of free vote is under threat by media outlets that voice opinion and can easily be disregarded or refuted? This is superb hyperbole.
3: Fair enough, but you said 'media' instead of just the mail. Okay. So the sun can't publish that photo? Do you want to regulate the media? The media can publish how they want, and people can interpret what they want. Ironically, regulating it will take us further from democracy. What is your reaction to the mirror's hyperbole in the campaign?
4: Perhaps not the anti-semite thing, but his attitude and revisionist view on history is VERY worrying, as is his 'friends' terming - which was absolutely avoidable.
5: It's not relevant at all, bringing
No, i don't think you fully understand democracy. As long as media is voluntarily viewed, as long as freedom of thought and expression is kept, as long as people maintain autonomy and rationality to weigh up decisions, as long as people have a free and voluntary vote for a wide selection of parties, our democracy will be maintained. Regulating media to force it to be objective, is not only illiberal, but verges on authoritarianism.
Owen Jones... always worth a laugh.
he's driven more voters away from Labour than anyone.
Whats funny
This is superb to look back on...lol. 😂😂😂😂
I'm doing a bit of salt mining myself 😂😂😂
Hehehehehehe
Yes the pandemic has exposed just how treacherous tories are, but we knew that already
in what way paid 80 per cent of my wages I got 7 grand in April thank the Tories
Joe Anderson if you did your research in depth which millions fail to do, thy just watch the 6 o clock news, you'd know that John McDonnell of the Labour Party founded the furlough idea, but any credit nope course not. Your beloved chancellor was willing to let 7million suffer if it wasn't also for the Bank of England telling the tories not to, they'll reduce it in August whilst the pandemic continues and let's see in the winter when we lockdown again if they'll pay you a penny.
Toby Young the man who made the case for ‘progressive eugenics’...
isn't that the NHS?
Looking back this comedy gold!
Yes Owen!! Putting Toby in his place
Look how terrified the mainstream is of Corbyn. You know he's worth backing when that happens. If Corbyn doesn't get the leadership I'll never vote for Labour again.
Can you REALLY see him as Prime minister?? If Corbyn becomes PM all business and investment will quit the UK and unemployment will rise. Look at France....
TheGava4
Haha scare mongering much?
+TheLastFraudster no I'm a realist NOT a socialist.
TheGava4 LOL is that what you are is it??
TheGava4 There's a lot to be said for France. I moved to Perpignan last November. It depends on what you want out of life, really.
Toby Young doesn't have a clue. The SNP did not become popular in Scotland because they are nationalists. It is not nationalists that put them in power. The voters didn't suddenly all become nationalists! This point is missed by so many.
Note the intro! Owen Jones is described as 'left-wing journalist' whereas Toby Young gets 'conservative writer' .....The people writing this know exactly how these words are perceived, and this should tell you all you need to know about UK media bias.
Owen should be described as Guardian writer.
If you think Channel 4 has a conservative bias then you clearly don't watch Channel 4.
vermilion J idiot
Your stupidity is quite amusing, have you get any evidence for the 'Communists', who of course aren't in power, replacing the white population with immigrants? I think you'll find its the neoliberal Thatcherites of the right most interested in such exploitative immigration.
Owen Jones can best be described as a wanker
At around 3:20 mark, the woman conducting the debate demonstrated everything I hate about politics. Owen Jones is discussing Corbyn's policies he believes will resonate in people, and she interrupts him saying she's asking about electability, as though policies and electability are mutually exclusive. They're the same thing. For most people, I still believe, vote based on policies, not personality. Now whether you're a Labour supporter, a Tory supporter, a UKIP supporter, whether you want Corbyn to win or any of his rivals, I'm sure most people will agree with me that policies and electability should be the exact same bloody thing.
If we get Corbyn then we also get Dianne Abbott in charge of MI5
Which she thinks is a motorway
@@TheBottlenose33 lol
That would be an epic disaster. Abbopottamous as Home Secretary would make us a complete laughingstock!
@frank rizzo. Top comment 🤣🤣
I think the police would revolt if that happened.
Toby Twatface talks about Michael Foot and the1983 election, but he omits that the Labour Party was infiltrated by Tories that formed the SDP to split the working class vote! So in the 83 election 13 million voted Tory for privatisation of publicly owned services and 16 million voted for Labour and SDP whose manifestos were against the privatisations.
Toby Young is working through some issues, yeah? poor dear. Seriously, he comes across as someone who got the notes and is trying REALLY hard to make his Dad (or Mum) proud
Toby young and his buddies are responsible for britains debt crisis
***** social democracies have the highest standards of living in the world. Britain ranks fourth in the world for wage and income inequality because social democracy is dead.
***** You know, if you keep refusing your medications they'll never let you out of there, Davey lad.
***** What kind of retarded made up quote is that. At least get your quotes right. Even if they are, that doesn't make you right.
Go home, you're drunk.
***** soak yourself *calm*. If you insist on baiting people on youtube at least take thetrouble to get your Black Books quotes accurate. :-)
+Dave Long 'I've flown this route before!'
- 'When was that?'
- 'It was...it was on the wings of a demon!'
The most lovely sounds in the world...the sounds that nourish the soul, the sounds that make even an atheist believe in a higher power committed to profound good....the laughter of a little baby, the birds at dawn, the crash of waves on the beaches, the hum of the bees making honey, the sigh of a lover's passion, Toby Young falling into a meat grinder.
spoken like a true socialist. you do love violent force. 😂
What gets me is how ANGRY some of these neo-liberalist, conservative folks can be. He looks like he's getting ready to fight!
The more the establishment say Corbyn is "unelectable" the more people support him! Lol
Peter Perfect Yes a poll result today puts Corbyn comfortably ahead of his rivals as most likely to have people voting for Labour
Peter Perfect Exactly. A phenomenon also seen in the US with Bernie Sanders.
mizofan Do you think that Corbyn will energize, activate and motivate labor voters overall? Just wondering.
Bud Fields There will be more active commitment supporting him overall yes, since previously there was not much genuine enthusiasm among most Labour supporters for wishy-washy fence-sitting and Tory lite policies. Some on the right of the party may be alienated, sure, but they hardly had a groundswell of excitement and passion behind them.
Bud Fields Yes
Why was Owen introduced by the presenter as 'left' wing journalist and Toby introduced as the conservative writer and not right wing which he clearly is by his own admission!
I'd have voted for Corbyn until he announced that he's no problem with an open-door policy on immigration. Look after our own first and foremost, before you allow the world's waifs and strays in.
+darren cassidy He said its more complicated than shutting the door, which it is. He didn't disregard the problem, and he also suggested that any changes made to immigration should be democratic, so the possibility is there. Thats better than any other candidate offers.
Watching this video from 30/12/19 and 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Owen Jones!
2021 😂
It's quite interesting revisiting these moments.
Hilarious 😂😂😂
Oh dear, no balance of opinion on channel 4 then, though probably the least scathing on Jeremy Corbyn I've see yet! Young Mr Jones ( no relation that I'm aware of) standing up admirably against a typical Tory bully
Today is 22nd Aug 2020, I wonder if Owen ever looks back at himself and learns,
So the SNP won because of a "nationalist vote, not an anti-austerity vote." Really, Toby? The SNP built it's support up from ex-Labour voters. Many of them probably voted Yes in the referendum, but many of these voters were former Labour voters and even former Lib Dem voters that abandoned both parties because they felt they didn't represent them anymore and decided the SNP was the real left-wing alternative. More garbage analysis from Toby Young.
Wow @Toby: look at that barely contained seething rage.
How much do you have to hate yourself to end up like him?
"To consign Labour to electoral oblivion". Labour gained 30 seats under Corbyn and May lost 13, lol.
Sorry did you miss the 2019 election? The one where labour lost 60 seats under Corbyn and its worst result since 1935. If that's not electoral oblivion I'm not sure what is.
Imagine being Owen Jones... just imagine that.. I can’t stop laughing😂😂😂😂
Toby stop dwelling on the Past, it's 2015, change is inevitable and Corbyn is the right man to lead us forward.
owen jones talks a lot but doesn’t really say anything
Yes he does he's a total bellend pure poison
Every single opinion Toby Young has ever had is incorrect.
Jeremy is electable because because he has better body language . 90 percent of MPs including Cameron display incongruent body language and avoid basic questions.
has Toby Young been north of Watford ? He is so out of touch with the mood of the land! I'm with Owen ! Jezwecan
I may be a massive cynic, but it seems to me it would suit Owen Jones' career better for Labour to stay in opposition. I wish he would talk more about the merits of being in power, because that seems to feature very little in his commentary.
***** What about that indeed - when's he going to put his money where his mouth is and run for office?
yes...surprise, surprise..Toby Young DID get the last word in....and wasn't interrupted by the interviewer, either. Funny that, huh?
Toby youngs comments actually leave me speechless about the SNP.
I voted SNP and no way (just like all my friends) was it nationalist in any way. I voted for independence as i am tired of toby youngs political views dominating the government which makes the decisions around us.
Scotland votes more to the left, we generally believe in a society that looks after everyone.
If corbyn got elected though, i would vote labour again.
Oh dear oh dear
This aged well.
Toby Young is an absolute horror.
As much as I like to say Owen Jones has a good heard, he in my opinion is an optimist where as Tory Young is a realist
What about him says hes realist exactly? Is it realist to think its okay for the poor and vunerable to suffer whilst the rich get richer. Why is that okay?
Baw Jaws Yawn, he didn't say that, get a new catchphrase.
+aman singh As is always the difference between left and right. The left are ideoligical but the right are pragmatic.
Tory Young is an idealist who has believes that the economy is stable when only one group of society is actually benefitting from it. Tory sees the working class as an abnormality in society despite it being a direct result of social inequality. Tory will also perpetuate ideas of cuts being needed to make recovery but does not want to make cuts in areas that will jeopardize his wage. His version of reality is distorted by isolation from real, average life in the UK because his social position alleviates him from experiencing the consequences of an aristocratic economy. Tory is the type of person who sees society in his own ideal way, but buries his head in the sand making him blind to the reality of the destructive nature of economic greed in a damaged economy.
Owen Jones is an optimist who doesn't necessarily understand the disadvantages of direct radical change. While his views are admirable, they are also particularly careless and risky, that doesn't mean to say he isn't on the right track though.
Jeremy Corbyn is a realist who understands that the UK outside of the upper class bubble is not in a healthy economic position at all, he doesn't pretend that the economy is healthy and he does not perpetuate propaganda or false economic information.
He recognizes the damage to the economy and the abysmal inequality of wealth in the UK, he recognizes the refugee crisis and many other issues facing the UK. What makes him a realist is that he doesn't pretend these issues are not existent or seriously affecting people, he doesn't hide from them. Jeremy is a man who accepts the dire situation of reality in the UK and offers realistic policies that will bring solutions, or weaken the effects of negative consequences that have entailed some of the major issues which incompetent politicians have failed to fix in the past and presently. This man can make radical change realistic and pragmatic.
First time ive seen owen jones calm.
Now he's suicidal 🤣😂🤣😂
it is Bullshit like this that I don,t own a TV , The reason we left New Labour is because Tori Blair, over half a million have come back because JC is real Labour
1:55 Agree, Owen.
This is like watching a small boy argue with a sentient testicle.
+neonatalpenguin Toby Young is hardly a small boy!
Toby Young must be bricking it that a Corbyn lead govt will take way his vanity project, West London Free School. Given the fact that it has gone through 3 head teachers in 4 years, that would probably be a very good idea
This aged beautifully.
Yeah it did. Toby Young says 'Tony Blair got a massive 40% of the vote'. Corbyn got 40% in 2017, but was screwed over by our broken electoral system. Corbyn in 2017 did as well in the vote as Boris in 2019. It shows how badly we need proportional representation.
@@martingoldfreed2627 he lost because he was sh!t.
@@qetoun Of course, you're not able to actually respond to any of the arguments I made in my comment. Why I wonder? 🤔 Ah, it's become you're wrong and have no arguments.
1 Blair's popularity:
In 97 I voted enthusiastically for Blair because he said he was for more Equality - and I believed him. Subsequently I voted UN-enthusiastically for Blair and Brown merely because they weren't the Tories.
2 Socotland:
However Toby Young choses to spin it, I think it's clear Labour lost Scotland because the Scots felt Labour had abandoned social justice and were attempting to impose colonial rule on the Scottish party from London. The stunning rise of nationalist sentiments were a RESULT - not a cause! If Toby Young doubts this he should Google 'Johann Lammont' and 'Wendy Alexander'. Ms. Alexander was never mentioned in the recent Referendum campaign. Despite the case of total amnesia amongst media political pundits, it appears the Scots remembered her, and the understood the significance of her being forced out. It's often asserted that the Scottish education system is better than England's - perhaps it's true.
I'm English btw. :-)
Toby Young is afraid he'll lose he failing free school if Corbyn gets in. I tired of Young's media stunts for self-promotion. I more talented man would rely on actually producing something of value - something which Young has never actually done.
owen, love the long face, hahahahahahaha
Did he say corbyn will balance the books? 🤣
Look how much he's (Toby) frowning... he's so so mad deep down! Bwahahaha.
I think win or lose Jeremy is the best thing to happen in British politics for decades. The establishment hates him, neoliberalism is crumbling and the fat cats are terrified and desperate about what comes next.
If you know anything about economics, you will know that the recovery began BEFORE the Tories came into power in 2010. Leading economists agree that the Conservative policy of austerity has actually slowed down the recovery. The Conservative policy of austerity is not really about the economics but actually about ideology.
Toby Jug, look at Kinnock, Brown and Miliband, they all lost. Then look at McDonald, Attlee and Wilson, they all won. Then look in a mirror and weep.
zaygezunt Well said. Labour always does best when truly Labour. The Attlee government, voted in by the finest hour heroes and heroines, created the NHS, nationalised industries and assets, rebuilt a shattered nation, infrastructure and housing, had full employment and paved the way for decades of economic growth and prosperity- all in spite of having to cope with a debt far greater than today's. Wilson' 60s government had the strongest post-war growth, in that swinging decade of British confidence, greater equality and working class freedom. Even the Blair governments' popular achievements like the national minimum wage and windfall tax were leftist ones, while the millstones of the credit crunch and Iraq war were due to right wing policies.
Exactly so. Attlee was not considered Prime Ministerial but became one of this country's greatest premiers. His socialist ideals and pragmatic approach meant huge strides were taken that lasted decades. It was a sad day when socialism became a dirty word because it created our best institutions. I am hoping Corbyn is in this mold and can bring back the values and appeal of he left as well as returning Labour to its founding principles.
zaygezunt That's not just true of the Labour party, either. Gladstone and Asquith were both very successful Liberal leaders, winning elections, while Charles Kennedy increased the Lib Dem seats and won respect. Contrast that with Lloyd George and Nick Clegg who both sold out and jumped into bed with the Tories, destroying the Liberals.
You change the political tide by swimming against it, not giving in to it.
Relugus You're right. It's not the party it's the principles. Voters correctly identify those who sell out for power. Clegg had himself five glorious years of luxury but the country suffered and then punished his party for it. I admired Kennedy, although I didn't always agree with him, because he stood for the values of Libralism and even marched against the war in Iraq. Men and women of conviction earn respect whatever their political view.
Jeremy Corbyn is a courageous politician - britain needs many more like him
The British people disagree 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Lol
Have the relevant authorities inspect Toby Youngs hard drive immediately..
Does anyone over the age of 15 watch Channel 4 ?
If so : Grow up, mate, you’ve left school now, see if you can find some grown-ups to talk to
Corbyn rocks, Toby Young intellectual pygmy. No offence to pygmies.... or fences.
of course toby young gets the last word. uses it to spout absolute bollocks that would have been easy to counter had Owen been given the chance
Yeah, it's a very easy answer, just increase tax on the richest and the biggest corporations, or alternatively force them to pay their tax rather than dodging it through legal loopholes
Toby looks frightened.
"We'll be the next Venezuela!" spouts a desperate Toby Young, as he pathetically clutches at straws to avoid paying a bit of extra tax. Priceless.
Lol. He's shitting it.
Lol, he got the last laugh ey 🤣🤪
And now Corbyn got 42%. You are wrong again Toby Young.
This is hilarious in July 2017
Wait till you get to Dec 2019 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's more hilarious now.
Anybody who wanted Corbyn as Prime Minister needs to see somebody about their mental health
How'd it work out "consigning Labour to electoral oblivion" Toby, my friend?
nickprezzo Worked out pretty well
Lol
Pretty well in 2020
Great lol 😂
Let me answer that question from across the pond in the great state of Michigan, it appears to have worked out beautifully!
How is that we, the country, have to "balance the books" "by living within our means" when those means are so much less than all the corporations who evade paying their due taxes one way or another. I imagine all the programmes that could be funded with that tax. It become the norm now amongst corporations, so unjust, and so untruthful of the likes of TY.
what is "social justice" Owen? Exact definition please.
How does Owen Jones think we're going to solve the housing crisis while at the same time allowing everyone and his dog into the Country?
Building houses will then give opportunities for housing people here and migrants. Simple.
@@syriacchristianity9007😂
Don't you just want to punch the potato head Toby.
Visna Macpherson Yes!
Visna Macpherson yep
To the last comment about renationalising the energy companies. The cost will be paid for from the dividends that would normally go to the share holders. If we can compulsory purchase a private home, a company should be subject to the same government mechanism. This also applies to the railways
With 5 years of Tory rule ahead of us, I'd say the priority now is to have a strong opposition in the house of commons - which a JC-led Labour Party cooperating with the SNP is what we may well be blessed with. Leave the next General Election till 2019 - we need to survive the immediate future first.
BTW - interesting how the Tory journo got the first word and the last word and the BBC rep only interrupted when Owen Jones was answering questions. Bias much...
All the comments seem to have been removed...
***** oh yes, thanks, dodgy laptop. I see now that it's Channel 4. Have noticed similar bias on BBC too.
its interesting how the interviewer cuts off Owen and gives the last word to the tory.. I find it hard to watch any news program why and where have true journalists gone.. pander to the tories persecuting poor vulnerable mental health and disabled not too mention how islam and immigration is pertrayed
I always think that it's very telling that a Labour supporter who is left views is described exactly that way, but somehow a Tory supporter will never be introduced as right-wing... I suppose it's because right wingers like to consider themselves 'centrist' nowadays, very tactical media ploy that's happened over the years to normalise a set of beliefs.
iron your shirt, Owen. You're on telly.
woke, lefty, bias bbc, disgraceful
It's channel 4 you cretin
There's normally a grass-roots, left wing candidate in the Labour leadership election, and people like Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair, Toby Young etc don't even seem to notice. Because, in the past, they haven't been in with a chance of winning because the parliamentary party was always able to prevent this, and the big unions normally didn't want to waste their block votes on a candidate they knew would be unacceptable to the parliamentary party.
There's a panic because they system has changed to one that, while still undemocratic in that nomination is controlled by MPs not the membership at large, does allow ordinary members to select the leader from the options they're given. Anyone who didn't receive a rich and nuanced political education might regard this as a good thing for democracy in Britain, in that the ordinary members of one of the major parties can vote in somebody who will have a voice in mainstream politics to represent their views. Those people don't understand that allowing ordinary people to enter the political arena in a way that will have to be taken seriously by the news media is not a triumph of democracy; it's a crisis of a kind that requires the party machine furiously to go around preventing new members from voting if they suspect they're likely to back Corbyn, nearly all of whom are genuine progressives who want their party back, not cuntish Tory journalists who are pretending to be ironically backing Corbyn when in fact they're panicking just as much as the rest of the political class.
Just to add; I filled in the same form as Toby Young did, to register as a supporter, and it requires you to declare that you support the values of the Labour party and do not support any organisation opposed to it. You can't register otherwise. So he's effectively a self-confessed liar.
Has Owen Jone's 'two round objects' dropped yet? Lol
Even if Corbyn actually became PM and tried to put his policies into practice, he would find resistance from the markets. Investors would require a higher rate of interest before lending to the government and there would probably be a run on the pound. He would be forced to make a climb down. You cannot challenge capitalism and reform it at the same time- look at whats just happened in Greece. Parliamentary 'socialism' doesn't work- the only way is libertarian/anarchist communism.
4:15 - I just love it when a conservative Englishman tells me why I voted SNP.
Because on the whole that’s why people did 😂
I'm a Scotsman and I voted SNP. The Tories is correct in this video.
Owen looks like a spoilt angry boy who can't get a woman
Anonymous X he’s gay
"I think most people don't think in terms of left or right I think they think in term of issues to be addressed in a way that's convincing and coherent that resonates with their experiences, told in a language they understand that meets the visions of themselves, their communities and the country as a whole"
"What the fuck did he just say?"
I agree with his politics..... but why invite a 12 year old to a debate on tv?
*Jeremy Corbyn: Owen Jones and Toby Young debate*
How about a raid on the Paradise Papers, to balance the books?????
I don't think Toby Young really understands how economics works... Much like the majority of the British electorate.
Young: In 1983 the Foot led Labour party polled less than 28% of the popular vote..."
Yes Toby, and how much did the Cameron led Conservative party get in May?
23% for those who don't know.
I find it perverse that people should be encouraged to vote for someone that they don’t believe in because they are told that they are more likely to win, and conversly that voting for someone they do believe in is a wasted vote.
Its great watching this in 2017
Even better in December 2019
I prefer watching it now
much love for Owen jones
Toby Young's critique of I Daniel Blake was a piece of artistic, insightful beauty
What a creepy nasty guy that Toby Young. Greetings from Holland.
Mr Owen you are a great man :)
He's a wanker. Twitter told me 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
The last time Labour ran a left wing candidate was 32 years ago. Hardly a direct and equal comparison.
Owen Jones 1 Toby Young 0...good lad!!!!
God that Toby Young is a smug git
She doesn't want to listen to Owen!
If ever we needed a clearer sign the Conservatives are seriously worried about this.
Is it just me or does every high profile tory look like a bond villain?
It’s Penfold!
Corbyn for leader! Every extreme socialist nation in the world has excelled for its industry, economy and people. They are the shining jewel of happiness. Let's hope he wins and becomes prime minister. /sarcasm off
Labour lost the election because of immigration and not giving a vote on the European union membership.
"I once read a book. Green it was."
Ironic for a Tory to complain that Corbyn has crazy economic policies. Remind me, how did the sale of RBS go?