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So, the only advantage of the more efficient thermals for the housing and cooler is... lower temps. Seems like something that could be changed in firmware updates, but that's really something that would have been done out of the starting gates if they wanted to move more units. The Studio is for Mac Mini users who need the extra processing power, and don't want to pay more for a MBP to use in clamshell mode.
I am Telling you guys, and I told you on another video. The Mac studio was not supposed to happen. It only happened because apple was not able to run the M1 ultra cool and quiet enough in the studio display. The studio display was actually supposed to be the 27 inch iMac, this is why it is so thick and has so many vents, and also this is why it is so expensive. I think the initial plan was to have the normal 27 inch iMac with M1 pro and maybe M1 max… and then, a pro version with the M1 ultra. And when they realized that they were not able too cool it down enough (the M1 ultra) they came out with the Mac studio I am also 99% sure that the Mac studio was supposed to be the Mac Pro, where they would have used the M1 ultra and the 4 M1 max chips “glued” together, probably called, m1 ultra duo 😂 There is absolutely no reason having a display with 2 fans in it cooling an A13 Bionic Also there is no reason having a system with a cooler able to cool the system at idle speeds of the fans under heavy load… it clearly shows that this system was designed initially to cool down a much more powerful chip
If you dont NEED to be portable the choice seems pretty easy to me. Base model studio with education/mil pricing is ~$1799, while the equivalent macbook pro is nearly $3000. You can use that extra money to build a super nice desk setup
@@AJ_Reynolds Plus if you are demanding customer regarding keyboard and mouse, you would buy external anyway. Those on mac are not bad, but mechanical is still mechanical one.
Eben if you have an external display as most professionals do. You get an extra screen for documents, tools, or hdr viewing with great colors. It’s an amazing monitor.
No, I don't want a MacBook Pro but a Desktop Mac. My Mac Studio arrives on Monday and then I better skip all these "Buy" and "Do not buy" videos for the next couple of months and just enjoy my new Mac. 🥰
@@АлександрЮсипов-ф7у Since I only make such a purchase every five to eight years, I also only have older Macs for comparison. The Mac Studio replaced my Mac Pro (6-core) from 2013 (Trash Can). I loved the machine and it served me reliably for 9 years. The Mac Studio, however, beats it in every way. I use it for 3D rendering, photo editing, video and audio production. It's so quiet even at maximum load that I don't hear any fans. For me, it's a fantastic machine and my Mac for years to come.
@@-xnnybimb-9398 Sure. I have ordered the M1 Max with 64 GB of Memory and 1TB SSD. It's now over a year old still lightning fast for anything I do, like video (Final Cut), rendering (Blender, now with Apple Silicon support) , graphic design (Pixelmator Pro, Affinity Suite) or music composition (Logic Pro). I am very happy with my machine and it will last many more years before I even need to think about replacing it.
No, the deal breaker for me is the ports. Instead I’ll get the base model studio on education pricing. I already have a display, Magic Mouse and keyboard. So this will save more for me instead of buying the MacBook.
@@vlcheish Ports are also over rated sometimes. Small dongle and plug everything into that. When you sit at your desk with your laptop, just plug that 1 thing into the laptop. Done. Pls don't bash on dongles, just a myth. The desktop machine itself could be a big clunky dongle itself..
@@jamesnyers1721 How is having an another thunderbolt port, two USB -A and two USB -C and a 10g Ethernet port an over rated thing? I have yet to meet anyone who complained about having enough ports on a Apple computer as oppose to buying a third party dongle.
@@vlcheish I don’t think he meant it as a negative though. Having more features is always great but how much does that extra functions really does for you matter. If you have a lot of devices and just like to plug everything in, then go for it, but buying a portable workstation for the same price as a desktop(no screen included) with the same performance just make way more sense, economically.
As much as I love Max and Vadim and value their opinion, I personally ordered an M1 Max 32c 32GB 2TB Studio and it saved me over 100K Indian Rupee compared to the MBP of the same spec, and so I definitely don't agree that the Studio is not a good deal if you already have monitor and peripherals like me. Also, I think the clockspeed issue should get fixed with an update.
I doubt, like Max, that Apple will increase the clockspeed on the Studio for marketing purposes. In Europe, you can get a pretty good deal on the portable M1 Pros, closing a lot the gap with the Studio, making the Studio a quite uninteresting deal as you lose mobility with no real gain.
@@Vilmir Very opposite landscape here in India. Even with the slow clock speed the Studio is a much better deal as most Indians already own a PC and likely peripherals.
If you plug your laptop into a monitor and work on a desk, the MBP is very poor value compared to a Studio. Spec for spec , studio is cheaper has better io and for most people who work in a study with a hub/monitor(s). The MBP spec’d out only really makes sense to individuals who work on the road . Most people I know who bought a laptop …. Used it a handful of times while not at home. One major factor , if you plan to drop $$$ a desktop will be more reliable and outlive a laptop , laptops all die from heat eventually, and have more components they can fail.
I thought the M1 Max on the Mac Studio would perform better. But what this actually boils down to is that for an additional $500 or so you can get a desktop system with an M1 Max (the Mac studio) and a 27" gorgeous screen, compared to the 16" inch Macbook Pro. That is, you choose: either you want something to take with you with a much smaller 16" screen (a Macbook) or a desktop system with a great 27" inch screen.
If cost is no concern, absolutely buy the MB Pro. But for everyone else, save the $1k and utilize the peripherals you already have. Not to mention if you ever need portability you can just pickup an M1 MacBook Air in a pinch for under $1k.
I have never heard the words "bang for the buck" applied to Apple. I can give you a reason to buy a Studio over a Mac Book. I am 60. Though far from blind my eyes are not as good as they were when I was 30. I prefer a 27" screen.
I ordered a M1 Ultra Mac Studio, but not because I need one. I wanted a powerful Mac desktop, and I really like the form factor, and it’ll last us years. Of course, it doesn’t hurt that I got 25% + an extra $500 off… I’m really looking forward to using it. 😃👍🏻
I think the conclusion is somewhat off. First of all, if the two machines have the same performance and one does not run hot...which one has a better chance of running longer without problems? Secondly, laptops are loosing popularity to tablets. With universal control, you get real portability with the tablet and at home you have the larger screen of the Studio with a monitor. People already set up for a desktop won't consider the laptop. You can get a base Studio and a nice iPad with cellular making a better combination than a laptop. More connectivity when traveling (with cameras) you can use the iPad for zoom calls which will be as good as the laptop and it will still be cheaper than the laptop.
Desktop all the way for me. If I need mobility with a larger screen than my iPhone, I'll bring my iPad Pro. Currently saving up for the Base model Studio with 64 gig memory upgrade (planning to use more VMs/virtualization.)
Problem with your analysis is that I want a large display so I can actually read the text on the screen. I have a 13" MBA and it's tough. It doesn't matter if I have a 120Hz screen or not, I don't play games and videos are fine on my older iMac. When you talked about the MacBook Pro having three TB ports, which can be expanded using a TB dock (I have the OWC 4-port dock you're using), all you're getting is more connections not more TB channels. The Studio has four channels, although one goes to the display so it's actually the same but the display has three USB-C ports while the Studio has two USB-A/B(?) so you actually have enough USB ports for wired a keyboard, mouse, etc. The MBP will need docks and hubs to expand. The MBP also doesn't have a wired ethernet port, something I still use because gigabit ethernet is still faster than WiFi 6 and isn't compromised by walls, etc. Yes, it means I'm locked into a single place but that's the desk where my desktop resides. Having a 10GB means it's future proof, waiting for fiber internet to get above gigabit speed. I also like the Studio Mac because it can easily be opened, especially by Apple, to repair certain things while the MBPs are more difficult to get into and the battery is probably the first thing that will have problems. The Studio doesn't have batteries except for the UPS all my gear is attached to. Everyone has a different situation. I'm trying to take my MBA on travel, using my iPhone as a hotspot, but my simple iPad does most of the things I need when away from home. I'll stay with a desktop until Apple comes out with a 24" MBP Air. 😉 added: Went through costs. Studio Mac 10/24 32GB 2TB storage, std Studio Display, expensive wireless keyboard and mouse ($300 combined but keyboard has TouchID, which I mike on my MBA). total $4891 (ouch!) 14" MBP 10/24 2TB $3500, add $1600 Studio Display so I can read the screen, $5100. Not going to get an LG display if/when they ever come back but they are $1299 so save $300 and the MBP/LG display would cost $100 less than the Studio Mac/Display option. Not really sure I'd want to take a $3500 MBP through any TSA station so my only travel would be land based. I sure wouldn't want to trust any airline to not lose it if I checked my baggage.
I HAVE a MacBook Pro M1 ! I Wrapped it and it’s beautiful and I know it will last forever. My 2 year old baby boy will Be able to use THIS laptop when he’s in middle school….. that’s insane…
If you don't need to carry it around, methinks better to get a Mac Desktop, because the Macbook has a battery that goes bad &swells after about 5 years.
Because you can use the laptop like if it’s a Desktop machine. Just use a bigger screen on the side that you might have already at home, a separated keyboard and mouse, and that’s it, you have a desktop machine for a cheaper price
I would generally agree with you but mac desktops give next to no advantage over laptops. You don’t get user upgradability, not many more ports, both use the same base processor and so on. Next to no difference compared to Windows desktop vs laptop.
The laptop is about $1,000 more. If you are going to use the laptop with its keyboard and screen all the time then agree it’s the best option, but I’m sure most people would want to connect to a monitor with a larger screen and separate keyboard
For those who don't want or need a laptop 3 words come to mind: context, connectivity and portability. The Max 1 chip is more than enough for creatives at a decent price if they already have a monitor and other essential peripherals. Which include audio interfaces etc. You never have to worry about batteries and using a laptop in clamshell mode still means you need to buy the connectivity. These are two separate products targeted to two separate audiences.
This ith same aproache as me. I thought that I will buy MBPro 16 Max plus Studio Display, but I realised, that 95% of my work I do in the office on my 7 years old iMac27 and I also have the MBPro 13 M1. So I decided to order the Mac Studio Max with 64 GB of RAM and 4 TB SSD. and the rest 5% of my workfliw I will do on the small MBPro 13 M1.
The mac studio would be way more compelling if the studio display was actually a good value. Studio display okay and looks well build but they are basically just ripping off their own customers.
For the approximately $1000 difference in cost between a Mac Studio and an equivalent MBP, I could buy an M1 MBA and have a second machine as a backup. Alternatively I could buy an iPad Pro though the Magic Keyboard does drive the cost up.
If I got a Macbook pro then I'd still need to buy a 27 inch - 34 inch monitor as well because about 85%-90% of my work would be at my workstation at home and I would not spend hours on end perched over a 16 inch Macbook screen at home, as good a display as it is. I understand what you are saying - that the Studio gets you no performance improvement while the Macbook gives you portability, and that is a factor worth considering when deciding what to buy. The Macbook is about £1,000 ($1300) more than the equivalent Mac Studio here in the UK. With either computer, I'd need to buy a monitor so the Macbook will still cost me a lot more. It therefore boils down to whether the significant extra cost justifies being able to use the Macbook away from home, viz, the portablity option. Probably not for me, since it would only amount to about 10-15% of my usage and I can always use my Windows laptop with iCloud for Windows installed for that.
The performance is the same - so buy the one that is much more expensive, has fewer ports, and louder fan noise?!?! the only reason to go that route is if you must have that portability. The "better" screen is irrelevant if it's only 16 inches.
Don't you find this comment odd though? When they presented the new Ultra chip they said software publishers would not need to make any chagnes to take advantage of the power.
That’s why I still absolutely love my high end iMac Pro, still a workhorse for professional video editing on a daily basis without throttling whatsoever, even 4 years later.
Better choice. Buying the Mac studio as it is 1000 dollar cheaper for the same price then use the rest get a portable laptop that could be windows (lightweight) or used/base model MacBook air
Needed a desktop not a laptop. I'm very happy with my M1 Ultra Studio. It does what I need it to. If I had needed a laptop I'd have bought one. People are really milking that content for views.
Speccing the same spec with a Macbook Pro and Mac Studio, the studio is £800 cheaper for the same spec (M1 Max, 32Gb RAM, 1Tb SSD). As I have 3x 4K monitors for my Work PC, and an existing iMac 5K 2014 with external RAID storage, which I'm looking to directly replace, this is a no brainer for the mac studio for me as I can just dual head the existing displays I own.
Battery damage is a real thing if you kept the MBP plugin all the time. I’m using MBP clamp shell mode for a while and just change my battery. It is not advisable to keep laptop plugin 24/7 I’m tire of maintaining the battery. MBP 14 and MS is 1k diff is a lot not a little bit. Having nice but small screen is counter productive.
If Mac studio (M1 max) is only option - the question is 24 vs 32 GPU cores? Usage: FCPX, motion, photoshop, little 3D. No one has compared this model’s! Please help me to choose. ❤️
I think I will go for the 32 GPU cores version - only because of my 3D modeling ambition. I expect the 32 GPU cores model to perform 20-30% better than the 24 GPU core version in Blender and I find that worth enough the extra 230 euro. I thought for a moment if the Ultra would be an option for me, but that would add another 2000 euro to the price which I think would be a bit too crazy since 3D is only a hobby for me. If you are looking for a comparison between the two: I saw in other videos that the Mac Studio with 24 GPU cores performs about the same as the 14 inch MacBook Pro with 24 GPU cores (in some tests the 14 inch performed slightly better, in others the Studio did slightly better). So I expect that the Studio with 32 GPU cores would perform about the same as the 14 inch MacBook Pro with 32 GPU cores. There should be videos out there that are comparing the 24 core GPU with 32 core GPU in the 14 inch MacBook Pro.
How about the longevity factor consideration in using a laptop as a permanently connected device? I did consider the 14” MacBook Pro as a desktop unit, but lifespan as a desktop unit scares me -- and there’s not much traveling going on these days, a main reason for my using a laptop.
What a surprise. You get the same performance when buying the same SOC. Who would choose a desktop over a laptop to gain a (supposed) performance improvement of a few percent!? You choose the Studio because you want a desktop. It's as simple as that. What does the display of the MBP do for me sitting in clamshell mode all the time? Same for the keyboard and trackpad. What I "gain" is worrying about the damage I do to the battery having it constantly plugged in. I'd much rather have a stationary desktop and a nice M1 MBA for on the go. Does everyone have the same preference and needs as I do? Of course not. For many (I guess even most) an MBP is probably the better choice. But certainly not because of any minuscule performance difference.
I have a Mac Studio M1 Max 64GB 32 Core 2TB on order till June. I am replacing a 2015 5k iMac an/or 2018 13" MacBook i7. So I haven't had M1 yet. I was waiting for a 5k iMac refresh but that didn't come. So I decided to go in with the Studio. While I'm waiting and researching I decided to consider a laptop. This video probably sealed it for me. I just ordered a refurb 16" 32 Core 32BG 1TB. I think it will meet and exceed my needs for a while. This way I guess it can replace both of my current devices. The iMac was getting long in the tooth. Unfortunately neither machine will probably have much resell for me right now. Maybe will jump on the next gen Studio. Thanks for all of your insight and testing! Great content.
Sounds like you’re just reaching for content at this point…the MBP vs the MS are for different users (mobile vs desktop) not everybody needs to carry around a laptop to do their work. Just like other people are saying here, they save more buying the Studio and using the saved $$ for peripherals
Not knocking on Max, just to be clear, and I'm a subscriber to this channel because of their know-how. But in the end, I feel you can never win with so many opinions. I pre-ordered a Max Studio base model and bumped it up to 64gb of ram and 1tb storage for $2599.00. I'm sticking with my choice and don't care to whatever anyone says. Furthermore, I'm currently using a mid-2014 MBP (Intel) plugged in to the wall since the battery has died, but it's still working. As soon as the new one ships, I'm repairing the laptop and holding it for backup. Think about it, my current machine is going on for almost 9 years. So just imagine the new machine that has good ventilation and no battery swelling to worry about, in addition to that I've always used all my MBP's closed on a stand with an external monitor, keyboard and mouse. How long do you think the Max will last. I'm not knocking on UA-camrs just in case, but I'll stick with my gut feeling on this one. I only use Lightroom and Photoshop, so this is way more than I'll ever need and besides, I like the way it looks.
I can’t agree. For me a laptop will never replace a desktop though I suppose what your needs are. You’re not only losing ports but worst of all, youre subject to a battery- and if you’re gonna use a laptop as a desktop well then… you do you lol
Tried the laptop solution and it’s a mess of cables and dongles, poring out of both sides. Having all your ports on one side/ face, is so much more neat & tidy. Not to mention it’s more convenient in a studio. The performance issue is just Negligible. For 99% of us, anything with an M1, is WAY faster than what we are using and we don’t care about a few paltry percent.
Just ordered a 14pro/16gb/1tb that was on sale this weekend instead of a base studio. I work plugged into a 5k display 99% of the time, both at work and at home… but having the ability to work while travelling is a big positive.
Hi, Max! I'm from Brazil. I am going to the US next April, so I can buy a new Mac for editing my podcast's 4k videos. I was willing to buy the Mac Studio, but you absolutely crushed my plans! It DOES make a lot more sense to go Macbook. The price, considering accessories and stuff, would be similar, but it delivers portability and a ridiculous, unmatched display. THANK YOU for adding so much value to my saturday morning!
I’d still follow Alex Ziskind’s argument that if all you’re doing is using the Macbook in clamshell mode on your desk, get the studio. Regardless of how good the display is, it’s still going to be max 16 inches! And if you don’t need portability…
Everyone seems to focus on the maximum stress specs of these computers, but relatively few of us need to worry about that. I'm a full-time professional photographer. I do very little video editing and when I do, its pretty simple. I got the MacBook Pro M1Pro when it came out to upgrade my laptop. I use it for tethered shooting sometimes but more often for light photo editing when I'm on the road or when I just want to edit from home. It is fantastic for that. WAY better than my iMac that I keep at my studio. That has become prone to massive slowdowns and lockups. I'm now looking to upgrade that. I could use my MacBook and dock it (I have an external monitor at the studio) but I prefer to not be constantly moving it back and forth and there are times when I like to use them at the same time. So to me, if the Mac Studio performs the same as my new laptop, that's great news, not a negative. We don't all stress the hell out of our machines . I'm getting weary of these clickbait titles and hearing how disappointing every new product is.
Max I am a long time subscriber. I really appreciate your content. Your recommendation is assuming people will be satisfied with a smaller display. I think you should have pointed out that caveat for your recommendation. If the person making the need something larger than a 16 inch display they better go with a Mac Studio.
The Studio is the only way to get the Ultra chip and the cheapest way to get the Max chip. I agree that the design is ugly and primarily because the cooling solution is ridiculously space consuming and it isn’t being used. They probably could have used the original Mac mini cooling solution if they keep their chips clocked so low. I have been using an M1 Mac mini with eight gigs of RAM. Multitasking is not as good as on my 32 GB three-year old iMac with a core I five. I ordered a base model Studio with 1 TB HD. When I have eight or 12 different apps running and three dozen documents open throughout various programs, I want instant performance, not hiccups. As I get older, portability is a secondary concern. Large screen real estate is important for my work and becomes increasingly important for me as my vision gets worse with age. Frankly, if they made a 16 inch Mac air for 1600 or 1700 bucks, I would buy that for the mundane things I do on a mobile display.
Interesting. The other way around here, as I get older. Large (separate) screens are less readable to me than laptops. And of course, the MacBook Pro has that wonderful Mini-LED with ProMotion.
So, you suggest I should spend over $2100 Australian extra over the base Mac Studio to get a 16" MBP with 512GB extra storage, but fewer ports? Nah. I had a 2009 13" MBP and I hardly took it anywhere. I will go with the Studio, I think.
Would love to see a Studio 24 vs 32 comparison. Do you guys think they perform the same as your previous video on MBP 24 vs 32? If so I'll go for the 24 core Studio (already have keyboard, pad and dual screen at home). Thanks for you answer
@@gmdrandom6287 But those are the same thermal limitations the studio has which the testing here shows. They are getting the same test scores as the laptops because they are being thermal throttled by software. Even though they don’t need to be. They could run 30 or 40° hotter than they do with an increase in performance. In other words, those huge coolers on the studios aren’t being put to the test.
Something else to consider is longevity. Mac seriously throttles their SoCs when the battery is in low health. So expect to have to pay for that eventually if you're a heavy user.
I've been following you for years and I remember when you schooled photojoseph on the GH5, which by the way I respect him as well, and now you are just rocking it. I've been a PC guy my entire life and in the last few months I left Adobe after 17yrs for Davinci Resolve and now leaving PC for Mac. Just deciding between the mac studio or dock a macbook pro most of the time for my editing. I appreciate the vids and love how much you have increased your quality over the years. You are doing great stuff! Happy New Year!
Apple must have the Mac Studio chassis, cooler and power supply ready for production line proofing when the chips start drawing more power. M1 Max could easily be in the Mac Mini chassis.
The fact that Apple put a CPU with literal desktop performance (for cpu bound tasks) in a notebook is quite impressive. As a software developer this video makes me feel at ease with stating MacBook-only for now.
Nah. I need a desktop. Even if I was willing to get a MBP and Clamshell it the Mac Studio I got is still 1200€ cheaper than the equivalently specced MBP 16 inch and almost 1000€ cheaper than the equivalent 14 inch MBP. I need a big display and as nice as the MBP's display is it's definitely not enough. Also I tried clamshelling the MBA and the temps were absolutely trash - I don't want a laptop sitting on my desk all the time I/O is also much better, I look forward to those ports on the front and not depending on my USB-C hub for USB-A peripherals.
One point I don't see many reviewers talking about is if you use 3 monitors then you have to upgrade the processor in the Macbook Pro to the Max version in order to support this. The base 14" will only support 2 natively unless you purchase a dongle from Anker. I'm not sure why this is since the 16" with the core I7 easily supports 3 monitors. I'd be curious to see how these numbers stack up today since the Studio has been out for a bit allowing more time for system optimization.
I think a thousand dollars difference is noteworthy... In my case, I don't need a powerhouse laptop for mobile use. I surprised myself after I got the Apple keyboard for my 11" iPad Pro that it meets all of my mobile requirements. I bought the bottom-of-the-line Mac Studio and I absolutely love it. I do all my powerhouse work at my desk. Forever I've used a laptop with a Thunderbolt dock to drive a full-size monitor, keyboard, and mouse. I removed the dock and laptop stand and inserted the Studio and got back a lot of desk real estate. I thought about a MacBook Pro and even waiting for the M2 wave that's coming whenever, but I felt like I wanted the extra power now. I'm very happy.
Get a Mac studio if you have a display,keyboard, and a mouse already. You can get more storage and ram for cheaper if you want to match prices with the MacBook Pro.
Not really needing mobility, I preferred reselling imac 5K and macbook pro for a mac studio, an eizo cs2431 and a ipad pro will be completed for mobility later🙂 A lithium battery doesn’t like to stay 100% charged all the time. it degraded it Thanks for this video.
Or alternatively, if you don’t need the portability, buy the Max Studio and use the $1100 you saved on buying the same spec 16” Mbp to buy a good 4K 28”+ monitor, keyboard and mouse and have a way more flexible overall system.
I wonder if apple will have a firmware update in the near future for the Mac Studios that let us bump up the performance to higher power consumption to drive higher clock speeds. It seems like there is a lot of unused potential in the Mac Studio with all the cooling capability.
I think they will. The big lift was designing the rest of the package for Studio around the chipset and getting it to market. Probably hoped it wouldn't be a big deal out of the gate, but people are noticing, that's for sure. Seems like Apple does a good job of ironing out the initial quirks with new designs pretty well and quickly after release. The Max chip in the MacB was mostly good to go as is, minus this one issue which really won't affect most users. But for the ones it may affect, they sure do and should care about it.
Never gonna happen. Same way even though iPad Pro has an M1 chip they will never let it run Mac OS until people stop buying iPads altogether. Apple's product strategy is about making it easy for customers to pick a product. The difference between $2k Mac Studio and $3k Macbook pro is exactly the following: portability. That's it. This makes purchasing decision very easy if you already have a laptop, Mac Studio. If you don't, Macbook Pro. There's 1 very tangible difference and it doesn't need to be explained. You can't have a cheaper product outperform a more expensive one if you're a 'luxury' tech company, even if it makes logical sense to an tech minded person. The 99% of people buying Apple products have no clue what 'thermal throttling' is. All they know is that the more expensive one should be better, faster, have more cameras, etc. iPhone, iPad, its all the same. They always make it so there is only 1 or 2 differences between tiers of products, but it is ALWAYS a tangible difference that non tech people will be able to grasp. 3 camers > 2. Stainless Steel > Aluminum. Thinner Bezels > Thick bezels. Mini LED vs Regular LED. Noise cancelation vs no noise canceling etc.
@@darnation8650 There's a huge difference between "ironing out quirks" and dictating to customers what limitations they have to live with. If you're not brand new to Apple, you have fond memories of peripherals being rendered useless over night, options and connections deleted under the guise of "streamlining" and generally them not giving a hoot about what people want and need. "Here's the future, now live in it!"
@@JohannesLabusch You have a valid point, but really has nothing to do with what my comment was about. Was just responding to what should be a fairly routine bit of firmware optimization sometime not long after units start shipping for the Studio line. I am both new and not new to Apple. A lot of my friends use Apple product exclusively. I always play around with what they have and stay up on Apples new releases. I am very familiar with all the gripes and issues with Apple. While i love their machines, the environment is just too limiting for my needs. I can very much see the allure for pure creatives though. I do a lot of real-time, high frequency trading, and i travel rather frequently. For the foreseeable future, x86 architecture is best for my needs, as well as the flexibility to build, modify, and repair my machines anywhere in the world with zero time delay. In many ways, Apple machines to me are objects of art. Art tends to be both arbitrary and finicky. Apple does what Apple does and if you want to buy into their techno-art, then you must be prepared to pay a premium for the sometimes weird and arbitrary choices they make and limit their users to.
I already own a top quality Ben Q photo editing monitor that is wonderful. Some of us don't want or like laptops---Hate working on a tiny screen. I'm a professional photographer, so even the M1 mac mini is more than powerful enough to edit my photographs etc. Even my old 2012 mac mini is sufficient for editing photos, it is just slower. There is a reason why Apple sells desktop computers without monitors! Some of us don't want or like laptops!
I’m getting the studio to replace my old mini that is used as a server and also to take some of the workload from my 2015 MacBook Pro 15”, a MacBook doesn’t make sense since I’ll never move it and all the ports are a big deal, also there are cases that the usb hubs you get can have to much high demand items plugged and not able to handle it, I’ve had this issue at work
the M1 Pro Macbook is so good that I don't even have a desktop work computer right now. The only thing that I don't like is how long export/import/1to1render times from Lightroom are, and the M1 Ultra cuts those times in half (while costing twice as much).
A. I want my studio computer locked down in the studio. The Mac Studio is better in that regard. Whatever benefits I get from the laptop display are a bit lost on me... I run 3 big displays. For music production, I want BIG. Whatever limitations in tuning are placed on the Mac Studio, the available performance for my usage is fantastic. I can put your argument on its ear... I get the benefit of significantly long life thanks to thermal problems being locked down. My Mac Studio arrives next week. Base model with a bump to 2tb storage.
watching Netflix on the couch, stopping work and immediately picking up exactly where I left off, working while driving train or flying in a plane..and all that on amazing Retina Mini-LED screen. There are numerous situations where a laptop is far superior. Especially when you don't even get a performance boost for going wit the desktop version.
Reading this helps. I am a studio composer and my old 16 inch 2009 mbp was still tight for working on that screen. I have nearly pressed order for 32gpu (i have 3d art ambition!), 64gb ram, 2tb ssd ... reading your comment has made me feel more secure in my decision ... if i got mbp, my specs would be less due to fiscal limits and I would have it plugged in into my desk peripherals most of the time.
I better save 1000€ and get the basic studio because for small tasks on the go, I will have my old laptop, but main editing will happen on my desk anyway
Not so fast, I’ve seen another review where a fully loaded, 32 core 64GB 16 inch MacBook did not scale well when compared to the 24 core, 32GB $1999 Max Studio. In said review, the worst case scenario had the Max Studio 18% slower, while the best case had the Max Studio 16% faster. So if you bumped up the better-cooled Max Studio to 32 cores for just $200 more, it would likely be at least the same if not better than the MacBook. Cost wise we’re talking $2199 vs $3899.
Max, I'm not clear on what MacBook configuration you are comparing to the Studio? Did I miss this? Thanks in providing the exact config - screen size, M1 or M2, RAM GBs and confirm that the MBP can run two external monitors.
I’m convinced that when the M2 Macs come out in real world tests I expect to see minimal advantage in performance…. I am happy with my new MacStudio Ultra which will last me for years to come
I too share the same depressing sentiment, though I want so badly for the M2 to greatly increase performance. But I feel like it's just an Apple thing to do :(
@@irisce2799 for M2 if it’s based on a15 we’ll see a 10% increase in cpu performance and 50% increase in graphics. If it’s based on the a16, which seems more likely, it’ll be even greater
That is the big disadvantage with apple... choose a machine and be stuck with it for years. Next processor is coming out which is doubling the performance? Now you have to replace the whole machine instead of the processor. Same with other components. Not be able to just upgrade your components part by part is a huge disadvantage
No, not minimal at all. Expect a 20-40% boost in CPU & GPU performance. The M Ultra series will go from a 20-core CPU (16P+4E) to a 24-core CPU (16P+8E) and from a 64-core GPU to an 80-core one. Not to mention the E-cores will be ~25% and P-cores will be ~19% faster at minimum, thanks to the improved N4P node and therefore faster clocks and higher IPC on the E-cores. The memory will go from LPDDR5-6400 to LPDDR5X-8533 and from 800GB/s bw to 870GB/s. The GPU core count will increase by 25% but again thanks to N4P it'll also be clocked faster, and the whole SoC will be a lot more efficient.
This is exactly what I did. I needed to replace an old laptop anyway, already had the docking station and monitor to support a laptop. The Studio is overkill for my needs. I am now able to swap out my work Macbook Pro for my personal Macbook Pro very easily. I bought the minimum M1 Pro config with 1TB ssd.
Excellent research and video. This is the reason why I have been saying in a previous video posted by you, that I don't feel the need to buy the Mac Studio. I do have a 2021 16 inch MBP and don't see the added value to buy the Mac Studio. If I decide to buy the Mac Studio one day, it will be the Ultra version or M2 Ultra (in the future).
I don't need it to be portable, just need to make the investment now for the next 5 plus years. Unlike a macbook, I don't need to worry about the battery in 5 years, display or keyboard issues and I doubt I will notice the difference in performance on day to day tasks. Too much weight is given to synthetic benchmarks instead of every day use.
i fail to understand why your titles always tell what shoiuld and should not be done instead of sticking with clean and informative titles. your content is always awesome guys, please don’t keep doing these titles, it ruins your content.
Because they probably see double the amount of views just by making the title seem more emotionally contentious. Which also makes buying dozens of Apple computers every few months a more profitable endeavour. And ultimately, despite the titles, their videos are still some of the best to watch if you want to buy an Apple thingy. So if it's a bit annoying then you might just have to accept it, because I think it's worth the mild irritation for a significant improvement in their metrics and business.
@@wilsonaala9395 ??? Well no, because you think they should change their titles, whereas I'm making the point that they shouldn't because it would damage their business. And the mild annoyance isn't worth the loss in business because we're all still watching it anyway. So I literally made the opposite point to you.
Bought the 14" MacBook Pro with M1 Max. Video editing in Premiere with 4K, 10 bit 4:2:2, 100fps is so smooth! The laptop has so much more power than I need. I mounted it UNDER my desk via a thunderbolt hub. My desktop is now super clean! Just Monitor, speakers and keyboard. No cables etc. The Mac Studio looks sooo clunky on the images! 🙈 And the best thing: I just have to unplug ONE USB-C cable and I have my computer mobile. Buy the Macbook!
M1 Max Studio - $2,000 $800 on the ViewSonic VP2785-4K (100% Adobe RGB color gamut) No sense spending $2,900 for a MacBook Pro, then another $900-$1,500 for a 27" display if you don't take your computer on the road for editing. I would love to know how this M1 Max with 24core GPU chip compares to the 2019 i9 8-core iMac with 32GB of memory and Radeon Pro 580X in video and photo editing.
The M1 only supports 3.2 GHz if all but one of the cores are disabled. You'd have to ask Hector Martin if there are similar behaviors with the M1 Pro and Max, and the Ultra. The limitations are a power limitation of the part, and have nothing to do with thermal throttling.
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Max, if it is possible to give it inside is there any Real difference between 64GB and 128GB of ram?
But you are comparing 16inch MBP... to me the M1 Max Studio vs 14inch MBP is no contest as long as you have any monitors at home at all
I bought both... LOL. MBP 16" M1 Pro & Mac Studio M1 Ultra
So, the only advantage of the more efficient thermals for the housing and cooler is... lower temps. Seems like something that could be changed in firmware updates, but that's really something that would have been done out of the starting gates if they wanted to move more units.
The Studio is for Mac Mini users who need the extra processing power, and don't want to pay more for a MBP to use in clamshell mode.
I am Telling you guys, and I told you on another video. The Mac studio was not supposed to happen. It only happened because apple was not able to run the M1 ultra cool and quiet enough in the studio display. The studio display was actually supposed to be the 27 inch iMac, this is why it is so thick and has so many vents, and also this is why it is so expensive.
I think the initial plan was to have the normal 27 inch iMac with M1 pro and maybe M1 max… and then, a pro version with the M1 ultra. And when they realized that they were not able too cool it down enough (the M1 ultra) they came out with the Mac studio
I am also 99% sure that the Mac studio was supposed to be the Mac Pro, where they would have used the M1 ultra and the 4 M1 max chips “glued” together, probably called, m1 ultra duo 😂
There is absolutely no reason having a display with 2 fans in it cooling an A13 Bionic
Also there is no reason having a system with a cooler able to cool the system at idle speeds of the fans under heavy load… it clearly shows that this system was designed initially to cool down a much more powerful chip
If you dont NEED to be portable the choice seems pretty easy to me. Base model studio with education/mil pricing is ~$1799, while the equivalent macbook pro is nearly $3000. You can use that extra money to build a super nice desk setup
you still need to buy a screen, keyboard and a mouse.
@@astronaute you might already have those
@@AJ_Reynolds Plus if you are demanding customer regarding keyboard and mouse, you would buy external anyway. Those on mac are not bad, but mechanical is still mechanical one.
@@astronaute you can get those for way less than 1300$
Eben if you have an external display as most professionals do. You get an extra screen for documents, tools, or hdr viewing with great colors. It’s an amazing monitor.
No, I don't want a MacBook Pro but a Desktop Mac. My Mac Studio arrives on Monday and then I better skip all these "Buy" and "Do not buy" videos for the next couple of months and just enjoy my new Mac. 🥰
What can you say about the performance and was it possible to compare with another macbook or maybe iMac?
@@АлександрЮсипов-ф7у Since I only make such a purchase every five to eight years, I also only have older Macs for comparison. The Mac Studio replaced my Mac Pro (6-core) from 2013 (Trash Can). I loved the machine and it served me reliably for 9 years. The Mac Studio, however, beats it in every way. I use it for 3D rendering, photo editing, video and audio production. It's so quiet even at maximum load that I don't hear any fans. For me, it's a fantastic machine and my Mac for years to come.
@@SFAutorf I may ask, which Mac Studio did you buy? M1 Max or Ultra?
@@-xnnybimb-9398 Sure. I have ordered the M1 Max with 64 GB of Memory and 1TB SSD. It's now over a year old still lightning fast for anything I do, like video (Final Cut), rendering (Blender, now with Apple Silicon support) , graphic design (Pixelmator Pro, Affinity Suite) or music composition (Logic Pro). I am very happy with my machine and it will last many more years before I even need to think about replacing it.
Feels like click bait. If you want a desktop, paying ~$1000 more for an equivalent laptop makes no sense at all.
$1000 is NOT a "little bit more".
Especially taken the absolut price in context ($2000) - so it will be 50% more , which is quite a lot of money in this context.
I pondered this for ages but ultimately decided to get an Air and a studio MAX instead of a 14” Pro MAX as it’s only slight more expensive.
I did the same thing! Mobility of the Air for emails and Zoom conferences, Studio for the heavy lifting.
That’s a much better idea.
And the studio has more ports too. And the MacBook Air is lighter than the 14" Pro.
Genius!!
No, the deal breaker for me is the ports. Instead I’ll get the base model studio on education pricing. I already have a display, Magic Mouse and keyboard. So this will save more for me instead of buying the MacBook.
ports are nice
This is what I'm doing as well. I'll add a 4TB external SSD. The same configured MacBook Pro is $1000 more!
@@vlcheish Ports are also over rated sometimes. Small dongle and plug everything into that. When you sit at your desk with your laptop, just plug that 1 thing into the laptop. Done. Pls don't bash on dongles, just a myth. The desktop machine itself could be a big clunky dongle itself..
@@jamesnyers1721 How is having an another thunderbolt port, two USB -A and two USB -C and a 10g Ethernet port an over rated thing? I have yet to meet anyone who complained about having enough ports on a Apple computer as oppose to buying a third party dongle.
@@vlcheish I don’t think he meant it as a negative though. Having more features is always great but how much does that extra functions really does for you matter. If you have a lot of devices and just like to plug everything in, then go for it, but buying a portable workstation for the same price as a desktop(no screen included) with the same performance just make way more sense, economically.
As much as I love Max and Vadim and value their opinion, I personally ordered an M1 Max 32c 32GB 2TB Studio and it saved me over 100K Indian Rupee compared to the MBP of the same spec, and so I definitely don't agree that the Studio is not a good deal if you already have monitor and peripherals like me. Also, I think the clockspeed issue should get fixed with an update.
Agree
I doubt, like Max, that Apple will increase the clockspeed on the Studio for marketing purposes. In Europe, you can get a pretty good deal on the portable M1 Pros, closing a lot the gap with the Studio, making the Studio a quite uninteresting deal as you lose mobility with no real gain.
They are right though, it only saved you money because you already had a display and keyboard.
@@Vilmir Not all will need the mobility
@@Vilmir Very opposite landscape here in India. Even with the slow clock speed the Studio is a much better deal as most Indians already own a PC and likely peripherals.
If you plug your laptop into a monitor and work on a desk, the MBP is very poor value compared to a Studio. Spec for spec , studio is cheaper has better io and for most people who work in a study with a hub/monitor(s). The MBP spec’d out only really makes sense to individuals who work on the road . Most people I know who bought a laptop …. Used it a handful of times while not at home. One major factor , if you plan to drop $$$ a desktop will be more reliable and outlive a laptop , laptops all die from heat eventually, and have more components they can fail.
I thought the M1 Max on the Mac Studio would perform better. But what this actually boils down to is that for an additional $500 or so you can get a desktop system with an M1 Max (the Mac studio) and a 27" gorgeous screen, compared to the 16" inch Macbook Pro. That is, you choose: either you want something to take with you with a much smaller 16" screen (a Macbook) or a desktop system with a great 27" inch screen.
If cost is no concern, absolutely buy the MB Pro. But for everyone else, save the $1k and utilize the peripherals you already have. Not to mention if you ever need portability you can just pickup an M1 MacBook Air in a pinch for under $1k.
Mac Studio + M1 MacBook Air is my current setup. The ultimate combo imo.
I have never heard the words "bang for the buck" applied to Apple. I can give you a reason to buy a Studio over a Mac Book. I am 60. Though far from blind my eyes are not as good as they were when I was 30. I prefer a 27" screen.
I ordered a M1 Ultra Mac Studio, but not because I need one. I wanted a powerful Mac desktop, and I really like the form factor, and it’ll last us years. Of course, it doesn’t hurt that I got 25% + an extra $500 off… I’m really looking forward to using it. 😃👍🏻
I have 16" MBP and Mac Studio Ultra. The perfect home and mobile setup.
I think the conclusion is somewhat off. First of all, if the two machines have the same performance and one does not run hot...which one has a better chance of running longer without problems? Secondly, laptops are loosing popularity to tablets. With universal control, you get real portability with the tablet and at home you have the larger screen of the Studio with a monitor. People already set up for a desktop won't consider the laptop. You can get a base Studio and a nice iPad with cellular making a better combination than a laptop. More connectivity when traveling (with cameras) you can use the iPad for zoom calls which will be as good as the laptop and it will still be cheaper than the laptop.
Desktop all the way for me. If I need mobility with a larger screen than my iPhone, I'll bring my iPad Pro.
Currently saving up for the Base model Studio with 64 gig memory upgrade (planning to use more VMs/virtualization.)
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same here..will get the base model studio with 64 gig as soon as fusion fully supports apple silicon
U just missed the whole point the video was making
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Problem with your analysis is that I want a large display so I can actually read the text on the screen. I have a 13" MBA and it's tough. It doesn't matter if I have a 120Hz screen or not, I don't play games and videos are fine on my older iMac. When you talked about the MacBook Pro having three TB ports, which can be expanded using a TB dock (I have the OWC 4-port dock you're using), all you're getting is more connections not more TB channels. The Studio has four channels, although one goes to the display so it's actually the same but the display has three USB-C ports while the Studio has two USB-A/B(?) so you actually have enough USB ports for wired a keyboard, mouse, etc. The MBP will need docks and hubs to expand. The MBP also doesn't have a wired ethernet port, something I still use because gigabit ethernet is still faster than WiFi 6 and isn't compromised by walls, etc. Yes, it means I'm locked into a single place but that's the desk where my desktop resides. Having a 10GB means it's future proof, waiting for fiber internet to get above gigabit speed. I also like the Studio Mac because it can easily be opened, especially by Apple, to repair certain things while the MBPs are more difficult to get into and the battery is probably the first thing that will have problems. The Studio doesn't have batteries except for the UPS all my gear is attached to. Everyone has a different situation. I'm trying to take my MBA on travel, using my iPhone as a hotspot, but my simple iPad does most of the things I need when away from home. I'll stay with a desktop until Apple comes out with a 24" MBP Air. 😉
added: Went through costs. Studio Mac 10/24 32GB 2TB storage, std Studio Display, expensive wireless keyboard and mouse ($300 combined but keyboard has TouchID, which I mike on my MBA). total $4891 (ouch!)
14" MBP 10/24 2TB $3500, add $1600 Studio Display so I can read the screen, $5100. Not going to get an LG display if/when they ever come back but they are $1299 so save $300 and the MBP/LG display would cost $100 less than the Studio Mac/Display option.
Not really sure I'd want to take a $3500 MBP through any TSA station so my only travel would be land based. I sure wouldn't want to trust any airline to not lose it if I checked my baggage.
I HAVE a MacBook Pro M1 ! I Wrapped it and it’s beautiful and I know it will last forever.
My 2 year old baby boy will
Be able to use THIS laptop when he’s in middle school…..
that’s insane…
If you don't need to carry it around, methinks better to get a Mac Desktop, because the Macbook has a battery that goes bad &swells after about 5 years.
Not agreed with you that if someone wants to have Desktop why they should go for laptop?
Because you can use the laptop like if it’s a Desktop machine. Just use a bigger screen on the side that you might have already at home, a separated keyboard and mouse, and that’s it, you have a desktop machine for a cheaper price
Stick w the Mac studio for obvious reasons
I would generally agree with you but mac desktops give next to no advantage over laptops.
You don’t get user upgradability, not many more ports, both use the same base processor and so on.
Next to no difference compared to Windows desktop vs laptop.
the laptop could be used as desktop and taken out from time to time when needed. But again it's really personal option
The laptop is about $1,000 more. If you are going to use the laptop with its keyboard and screen all the time then agree it’s the best option, but I’m sure most people would want to connect to a monitor with a larger screen and separate keyboard
For those who don't want or need a laptop 3 words come to mind: context, connectivity and portability. The Max 1 chip is more than enough for creatives at a decent price if they already have a monitor and other essential peripherals. Which include audio interfaces etc. You never have to worry about batteries and using a laptop in clamshell mode still means you need to buy the connectivity. These are two separate products targeted to two separate audiences.
That is not a good deal in Germany. You have to pay 1000€ more for the 14“ MacbookPro instead of Mac Studio….
This ith same aproache as me. I thought that I will buy MBPro 16 Max plus Studio Display, but I realised, that 95% of my work I do in the office on my 7 years old iMac27 and I also have the MBPro 13 M1. So I decided to order the Mac Studio Max with 64 GB of RAM and 4 TB SSD. and the rest 5% of my workfliw I will do on the small MBPro 13 M1.
The mac studio would be way more compelling if the studio display was actually a good value. Studio display okay and looks well build but they are basically just ripping off their own customers.
For the approximately $1000 difference in cost between a Mac Studio and an equivalent MBP, I could buy an M1 MBA and have a second machine as a backup. Alternatively I could buy an iPad Pro though the Magic Keyboard does drive the cost up.
If I got a Macbook pro then I'd still need to buy a 27 inch - 34 inch monitor as well because about 85%-90% of my work would be at my workstation at home and I would not spend hours on end perched over a 16 inch Macbook screen at home, as good a display as it is. I understand what you are saying - that the Studio gets you no performance improvement while the Macbook gives you portability, and that is a factor worth considering when deciding what to buy. The Macbook is about £1,000 ($1300) more than the equivalent Mac Studio here in the UK. With either computer, I'd need to buy a monitor so the Macbook will still cost me a lot more. It therefore boils down to whether the significant extra cost justifies being able to use the Macbook away from home, viz, the portablity option. Probably not for me, since it would only amount to about 10-15% of my usage and I can always use my Windows laptop with iCloud for Windows installed for that.
The performance is the same - so buy the one that is much more expensive, has fewer ports, and louder fan noise?!?! the only reason to go that route is if you must have that portability. The "better" screen is irrelevant if it's only 16 inches.
I would expect Apple to release an update that will optimize performance more.
i agree, they will release an update sooner or later which will improve the performance
Don't you find this comment odd though? When they presented the new Ultra chip they said software publishers would not need to make any chagnes to take advantage of the power.
@@iamfrankstallone They don't. If there is performance to be unlocked, that'll be done by Apple, not developers.
@@Reactor10k Huge gaffe on their end if that's true. They knew reviewers were going to buy these units and push them hard in benchmarks for reviews.
I did. MacBook Pro M1 max 32gb 2tb. Totally satisfied.
That’s why I still absolutely love my high end iMac Pro, still a workhorse for professional video editing on a daily basis without throttling whatsoever, even 4 years later.
Better choice. Buying the Mac studio as it is 1000 dollar cheaper for the same price then use the rest get a portable laptop that could be windows (lightweight) or used/base model MacBook air
Thank you for the calm talk and good advice.
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Needed a desktop not a laptop. I'm very happy with my M1 Ultra Studio. It does what I need it to. If I had needed a laptop I'd have bought one. People are really milking that content for views.
Speccing the same spec with a Macbook Pro and Mac Studio, the studio is £800 cheaper for the same spec (M1 Max, 32Gb RAM, 1Tb SSD). As I have 3x 4K monitors for my Work PC, and an existing iMac 5K 2014 with external RAID storage, which I'm looking to directly replace, this is a no brainer for the mac studio for me as I can just dual head the existing displays I own.
Battery damage is a real thing if you kept the MBP plugin all the time. I’m using MBP clamp shell mode for a while and just change my battery. It is not advisable to keep laptop plugin 24/7 I’m tire of maintaining the battery. MBP 14 and MS is 1k diff is a lot not a little bit. Having nice but small screen is counter productive.
I wonder if we will see a firmware update that bumps the clock speeds and adds a PC-style control panel with “quiet”, “balanced”, and “power” modes.
It kinda does all that in the background and changes based on use.
thats the point of the efficiency core, intel does it to these days
If Mac studio (M1 max) is only option - the question is 24 vs 32 GPU cores?
Usage: FCPX, motion, photoshop, little 3D. No one has compared this model’s!
Please help me to choose. ❤️
I think I will go for the 32 GPU cores version - only because of my 3D modeling ambition. I expect the 32 GPU cores model to perform 20-30% better than the 24 GPU core version in Blender and I find that worth enough the extra 230 euro. I thought for a moment if the Ultra would be an option for me, but that would add another 2000 euro to the price which I think would be a bit too crazy since 3D is only a hobby for me.
If you are looking for a comparison between the two: I saw in other videos that the Mac Studio with 24 GPU cores performs about the same as the 14 inch MacBook Pro with 24 GPU cores (in some tests the 14 inch performed slightly better, in others the Studio did slightly better). So I expect that the Studio with 32 GPU cores would perform about the same as the 14 inch MacBook Pro with 32 GPU cores. There should be videos out there that are comparing the 24 core GPU with 32 core GPU in the 14 inch MacBook Pro.
How about the longevity factor consideration in using a laptop as a permanently connected device?
I did consider the 14” MacBook Pro as a desktop unit, but lifespan as a desktop unit scares me -- and there’s not much traveling going on these days, a main reason for my using a laptop.
What a surprise. You get the same performance when buying the same SOC. Who would choose a desktop over a laptop to gain a (supposed) performance improvement of a few percent!? You choose the Studio because you want a desktop. It's as simple as that. What does the display of the MBP do for me sitting in clamshell mode all the time? Same for the keyboard and trackpad. What I "gain" is worrying about the damage I do to the battery having it constantly plugged in. I'd much rather have a stationary desktop and a nice M1 MBA for on the go. Does everyone have the same preference and needs as I do? Of course not. For many (I guess even most) an MBP is probably the better choice. But certainly not because of any minuscule performance difference.
I have a Mac Studio M1 Max 64GB 32 Core 2TB on order till June. I am replacing a 2015 5k iMac an/or 2018 13" MacBook i7. So I haven't had M1 yet. I was waiting for a 5k iMac refresh but that didn't come. So I decided to go in with the Studio. While I'm waiting and researching I decided to consider a laptop. This video probably sealed it for me. I just ordered a refurb 16" 32 Core 32BG 1TB. I think it will meet and exceed my needs for a while. This way I guess it can replace both of my current devices. The iMac was getting long in the tooth. Unfortunately neither machine will probably have much resell for me right now. Maybe will jump on the next gen Studio. Thanks for all of your insight and testing! Great content.
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This information suggests that if someone knew how to ramp up the clock speeds on die then the system would smoke everything even more.
Incredible insights. I did not expect those results. Amazing work guys
Sounds like you’re just reaching for content at this point…the MBP vs the MS are for different users (mobile vs desktop) not everybody needs to carry around a laptop to do their work. Just like other people are saying here, they save more buying the Studio and using the saved $$ for peripherals
I had a MBP 17in for ten years and I learned something: I’m definitely not a laptop guy.
Not knocking on Max, just to be clear, and I'm a subscriber to this channel because of their know-how. But in the end, I feel you can never win with so many opinions. I pre-ordered a Max Studio base model and bumped it up to 64gb of ram and 1tb storage for $2599.00. I'm sticking with my choice and don't care to whatever anyone says. Furthermore, I'm currently using a mid-2014 MBP (Intel) plugged in to the wall since the battery has died, but it's still working. As soon as the new one ships, I'm repairing the laptop and holding it for backup. Think about it, my current machine is going on for almost 9 years. So just imagine the new machine that has good ventilation and no battery swelling to worry about, in addition to that I've always used all my MBP's closed on a stand with an external monitor, keyboard and mouse. How long do you think the Max will last. I'm not knocking on UA-camrs just in case, but I'll stick with my gut feeling on this one. I only use Lightroom and Photoshop, so this is way more than I'll ever need and besides, I like the way it looks.
U forget to say: Even not the 32" Pro Display XDR can compare with the MB16Pro MiniLED Display :)
I can’t agree. For me a laptop will never replace a desktop though I suppose what your needs are. You’re not only losing ports but worst of all, youre subject to a battery- and if you’re gonna use a laptop as a desktop well then… you do you lol
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Tried the laptop solution and it’s a mess of cables and dongles, poring out of both sides. Having all your ports on one side/ face, is so much more neat & tidy. Not to mention it’s more convenient in a studio.
The performance issue is just Negligible. For 99% of us, anything with an M1, is WAY faster than what we are using and we don’t care about a few paltry percent.
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Just ordered a 14pro/16gb/1tb that was on sale this weekend instead of a base studio. I work plugged into a 5k display 99% of the time, both at work and at home… but having the ability to work while travelling is a big positive.
Hi, Max! I'm from Brazil. I am going to the US next April, so I can buy a new Mac for editing my podcast's 4k videos. I was willing to buy the Mac Studio, but you absolutely crushed my plans! It DOES make a lot more sense to go Macbook. The price, considering accessories and stuff, would be similar, but it delivers portability and a ridiculous, unmatched display. THANK YOU for adding so much value to my saturday morning!
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I’d still follow Alex Ziskind’s argument that if all you’re doing is using the Macbook in clamshell mode on your desk, get the studio. Regardless of how good the display is, it’s still going to be max 16 inches! And if you don’t need portability…
I like your energy in this video. It doesn't sound like there's fake enthusiasm like the other videos.
Everyone seems to focus on the maximum stress specs of these computers, but relatively few of us need to worry about that. I'm a full-time professional photographer. I do very little video editing and when I do, its pretty simple. I got the MacBook Pro M1Pro when it came out to upgrade my laptop. I use it for tethered shooting sometimes but more often for light photo editing when I'm on the road or when I just want to edit from home. It is fantastic for that. WAY better than my iMac that I keep at my studio. That has become prone to massive slowdowns and lockups. I'm now looking to upgrade that. I could use my MacBook and dock it (I have an external monitor at the studio) but I prefer to not be constantly moving it back and forth and there are times when I like to use them at the same time. So to me, if the Mac Studio performs the same as my new laptop, that's great news, not a negative. We don't all stress the hell out of our machines . I'm getting weary of these clickbait titles and hearing how disappointing every new product is.
Max I am a long time subscriber. I really appreciate your content. Your recommendation is assuming people will be satisfied with a smaller display. I think you should have pointed out that caveat for your recommendation. If the person making the need something larger than a 16 inch display they better go with a Mac Studio.
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The Studio is the only way to get the Ultra chip and the cheapest way to get the Max chip.
I agree that the design is ugly and primarily because the cooling solution is ridiculously space consuming and it isn’t being used. They probably could have used the original Mac mini cooling solution if they keep their chips clocked so low.
I have been using an M1 Mac mini with eight gigs of RAM. Multitasking is not as good as on my 32 GB three-year old iMac with a core I five.
I ordered a base model Studio with 1 TB HD. When I have eight or 12 different apps running and three dozen documents open throughout various programs, I want instant performance, not hiccups.
As I get older, portability is a secondary concern. Large screen real estate is important for my work and becomes increasingly important for me as my vision gets worse with age.
Frankly, if they made a 16 inch Mac air for 1600 or 1700 bucks, I would buy that for the mundane things I do on a mobile display.
Interesting. The other way around here, as I get older. Large (separate) screens are less readable to me than laptops. And of course, the MacBook Pro has that wonderful Mini-LED with ProMotion.
For me I'd still go for the Studio as I don't need (to pay the extra for) a portable device and I have a 27" monitor already.
So, you suggest I should spend over $2100 Australian extra over the base Mac Studio to get a 16" MBP with 512GB extra storage, but fewer ports? Nah. I had a 2009 13" MBP and I hardly took it anywhere. I will go with the Studio, I think.
Would love to see a Studio 24 vs 32 comparison. Do you guys think they perform the same as your previous video on MBP 24 vs 32? If so I'll go for the 24 core Studio (already have keyboard, pad and dual screen at home). Thanks for you answer
The consensus is that it doesn’t make sense to get the 32 core. Performance is not substantially different.
@@ScottDeSalvo I've heard this as well ^
You spoke my heart out man. I have been desperate for this comparison with mac book pro 16 on those gpu.
@@ScottDeSalvo well on the MacBooks I think the difference was only small because of thermal limitations
@@gmdrandom6287 But those are the same thermal limitations the studio has which the testing here shows. They are getting the same test scores as the laptops because they are being thermal throttled by software. Even though they don’t need to be. They could run 30 or 40° hotter than they do with an increase in performance.
In other words, those huge coolers on the studios aren’t being put to the test.
Something else to consider is longevity. Mac seriously throttles their SoCs when the battery is in low health. So expect to have to pay for that eventually if you're a heavy user.
I've been following you for years and I remember when you schooled photojoseph on the GH5, which by the way I respect him as well, and now you are just rocking it. I've been a PC guy my entire life and in the last few months I left Adobe after 17yrs for Davinci Resolve and now leaving PC for Mac. Just deciding between the mac studio or dock a macbook pro most of the time for my editing. I appreciate the vids and love how much you have increased your quality over the years. You are doing great stuff! Happy New Year!
Apple must have the Mac Studio chassis, cooler and power supply ready for production line proofing when the chips start drawing more power. M1 Max could easily be in the Mac Mini chassis.
The fact that Apple put a CPU with literal desktop performance (for cpu bound tasks) in a notebook is quite impressive. As a software developer this video makes me feel at ease with stating MacBook-only for now.
I've always had both a laptop mac and a desktop mac. So I'm going Studio Ultra and MacBook Air
Nah.
I need a desktop. Even if I was willing to get a MBP and Clamshell it the Mac Studio I got is still 1200€ cheaper than the equivalently specced MBP 16 inch and almost 1000€ cheaper than the equivalent 14 inch MBP. I need a big display and as nice as the MBP's display is it's definitely not enough.
Also I tried clamshelling the MBA and the temps were absolutely trash - I don't want a laptop sitting on my desk all the time I/O is also much better, I look forward to those ports on the front and not depending on my USB-C hub for USB-A peripherals.
One point I don't see many reviewers talking about is if you use 3 monitors then you have to upgrade the processor in the Macbook Pro to the Max version in order to support this. The base 14" will only support 2 natively unless you purchase a dongle from Anker. I'm not sure why this is since the 16" with the core I7 easily supports 3 monitors. I'd be curious to see how these numbers stack up today since the Studio has been out for a bit allowing more time for system optimization.
I think a thousand dollars difference is noteworthy... In my case, I don't need a powerhouse laptop for mobile use. I surprised myself after I got the Apple keyboard for my 11" iPad Pro that it meets all of my mobile requirements. I bought the bottom-of-the-line Mac Studio and I absolutely love it. I do all my powerhouse work at my desk. Forever I've used a laptop with a Thunderbolt dock to drive a full-size monitor, keyboard, and mouse. I removed the dock and laptop stand and inserted the Studio and got back a lot of desk real estate. I thought about a MacBook Pro and even waiting for the M2 wave that's coming whenever, but I felt like I wanted the extra power now. I'm very happy.
Going for the base Mac Studio, need a big screen and ports.
Get a Mac studio if you have a display,keyboard, and a mouse already. You can get more storage and ram for cheaper if you want to match prices with the MacBook Pro.
Not really needing mobility, I preferred reselling imac 5K and macbook pro for a mac studio, an eizo cs2431 and a ipad pro will be completed for mobility later🙂
A lithium battery doesn’t like to stay 100% charged all the time. it degraded it
Thanks for this video.
Or alternatively, if you don’t need the portability, buy the Max Studio and use the $1100 you saved on buying the same spec 16” Mbp to buy a good 4K 28”+ monitor, keyboard and mouse and have a way more flexible overall system.
I wonder if apple will have a firmware update in the near future for the Mac Studios that let us bump up the performance to higher power consumption to drive higher clock speeds.
It seems like there is a lot of unused potential in the Mac Studio with all the cooling capability.
They will not. They want you to buy the ultra.
I think they will. The big lift was designing the rest of the package for Studio around the chipset and getting it to market. Probably hoped it wouldn't be a big deal out of the gate, but people are noticing, that's for sure. Seems like Apple does a good job of ironing out the initial quirks with new designs pretty well and quickly after release. The Max chip in the MacB was mostly good to go as is, minus this one issue which really won't affect most users. But for the ones it may affect, they sure do and should care about it.
Never gonna happen. Same way even though iPad Pro has an M1 chip they will never let it run Mac OS until people stop buying iPads altogether. Apple's product strategy is about making it easy for customers to pick a product. The difference between $2k Mac Studio and $3k Macbook pro is exactly the following: portability. That's it. This makes purchasing decision very easy if you already have a laptop, Mac Studio. If you don't, Macbook Pro. There's 1 very tangible difference and it doesn't need to be explained.
You can't have a cheaper product outperform a more expensive one if you're a 'luxury' tech company, even if it makes logical sense to an tech minded person. The 99% of people buying Apple products have no clue what 'thermal throttling' is. All they know is that the more expensive one should be better, faster, have more cameras, etc.
iPhone, iPad, its all the same. They always make it so there is only 1 or 2 differences between tiers of products, but it is ALWAYS a tangible difference that non tech people will be able to grasp. 3 camers > 2. Stainless Steel > Aluminum. Thinner Bezels > Thick bezels. Mini LED vs Regular LED. Noise cancelation vs no noise canceling etc.
@@darnation8650 There's a huge difference between "ironing out quirks" and dictating to customers what limitations they have to live with. If you're not brand new to Apple, you have fond memories of peripherals being rendered useless over night, options and connections deleted under the guise of "streamlining" and generally them not giving a hoot about what people want and need. "Here's the future, now live in it!"
@@JohannesLabusch You have a valid point, but really has nothing to do with what my comment was about. Was just responding to what should be a fairly routine bit of firmware optimization sometime not long after units start shipping for the Studio line.
I am both new and not new to Apple. A lot of my friends use Apple product exclusively. I always play around with what they have and stay up on Apples new releases. I am very familiar with all the gripes and issues with Apple.
While i love their machines, the environment is just too limiting for my needs. I can very much see the allure for pure creatives though. I do a lot of real-time, high frequency trading, and i travel rather frequently. For the foreseeable future, x86 architecture is best for my needs, as well as the flexibility to build, modify, and repair my machines anywhere in the world with zero time delay.
In many ways, Apple machines to me are objects of art. Art tends to be both arbitrary and finicky. Apple does what Apple does and if you want to buy into their techno-art, then you must be prepared to pay a premium for the sometimes weird and arbitrary choices they make and limit their users to.
I would love to see an m1's buyer guide for apple lineup and if you should wait for the next update
I already own a top quality Ben Q photo editing monitor that is wonderful. Some of us don't want or like laptops---Hate working on a tiny screen. I'm a professional photographer, so even the M1 mac mini is more than powerful enough to edit my photographs etc. Even my old 2012 mac mini is sufficient for editing photos, it is just slower. There is a reason why Apple sells desktop computers without monitors! Some of us don't want or like laptops!
I’m getting the studio to replace my old mini that is used as a server and also to take some of the workload from my 2015 MacBook Pro 15”, a MacBook doesn’t make sense since I’ll never move it and all the ports are a big deal, also there are cases that the usb hubs you get can have to much high demand items plugged and not able to handle it, I’ve had this issue at work
I have had 3 laptops in my life. Got rid of all 3.... the last one, within a month. Desktops are just my personal preference.
the M1 Pro Macbook is so good that I don't even have a desktop work computer right now.
The only thing that I don't like is how long export/import/1to1render times from Lightroom are, and the M1 Ultra cuts those times in half (while costing twice as much).
A. I want my studio computer locked down in the studio. The Mac Studio is better in that regard. Whatever benefits I get from the laptop display are a bit lost on me... I run 3 big displays. For music production, I want BIG. Whatever limitations in tuning are placed on the Mac Studio, the available performance for my usage is fantastic. I can put your argument on its ear... I get the benefit of significantly long life thanks to thermal problems being locked down. My Mac Studio arrives next week. Base model with a bump to 2tb storage.
watching Netflix on the couch, stopping work and immediately picking up exactly where I left off, working while driving train or flying in a plane..and all that on amazing Retina Mini-LED screen. There are numerous situations where a laptop is far superior. Especially when you don't even get a performance boost for going wit the desktop version.
Reading this helps. I am a studio composer and my old 16 inch 2009 mbp was still tight for working on that screen. I have nearly pressed order for 32gpu (i have 3d art ambition!), 64gb ram, 2tb ssd ... reading your comment has made me feel more secure in my decision ... if i got mbp, my specs would be less due to fiscal limits and I would have it plugged in into my desk peripherals most of the time.
I do music production and Mac Studio would be perfect for me since my tasks are purely CPU dependent. Talking just about de Ultra Version
These kind of videos showcasing the smarter buy are well appreciated 🙂
I better save 1000€ and get the basic studio because for small tasks on the go, I will have my old laptop, but main editing will happen on my desk anyway
Not so fast, I’ve seen another review where a fully loaded, 32 core 64GB 16 inch MacBook did not scale well when compared to the 24 core, 32GB $1999 Max Studio. In said review, the worst case scenario had the Max Studio 18% slower, while the best case had the Max Studio 16% faster. So if you bumped up the better-cooled Max Studio to 32 cores for just $200 more, it would likely be at least the same if not better than the MacBook. Cost wise we’re talking $2199 vs $3899.
Thank you. I was waiting for this video. You guys are awesome.
I did a side by side da Vinci encode yesterday and the ultra was twice as fast on encoding Arri raw so there is a difference.
Of course it is -- you can't get the ultra in a laptop.
he doesn't compare the ultra here..
Max, I'm not clear on what MacBook configuration you are comparing to the Studio? Did I miss this? Thanks in providing the exact config - screen size, M1 or M2, RAM GBs and confirm that the MBP can run two external monitors.
I’m convinced that when the M2 Macs come out in real world tests I expect to see minimal advantage in performance…. I am happy with my new MacStudio Ultra which will last me for years to come
Im still rocking my Mac mini and now the majority of my software is native M1 is has plenty power left over, it will also last me for years to come.
I too share the same depressing sentiment, though I want so badly for the M2 to greatly increase performance. But I feel like it's just an Apple thing to do :(
@@irisce2799 for M2 if it’s based on a15 we’ll see a 10% increase in cpu performance and 50% increase in graphics.
If it’s based on the a16, which seems more likely, it’ll be even greater
That is the big disadvantage with apple... choose a machine and be stuck with it for years.
Next processor is coming out which is doubling the performance? Now you have to replace the whole machine instead of the processor. Same with other components. Not be able to just upgrade your components part by part is a huge disadvantage
No, not minimal at all. Expect a 20-40% boost in CPU & GPU performance. The M Ultra series will go from a 20-core CPU (16P+4E) to a 24-core CPU (16P+8E) and from a 64-core GPU to an 80-core one. Not to mention the E-cores will be ~25% and P-cores will be ~19% faster at minimum, thanks to the improved N4P node and therefore faster clocks and higher IPC on the E-cores. The memory will go from LPDDR5-6400 to LPDDR5X-8533 and from 800GB/s bw to 870GB/s. The GPU core count will increase by 25% but again thanks to N4P it'll also be clocked faster, and the whole SoC will be a lot more efficient.
This is exactly what I did. I needed to replace an old laptop anyway, already had the docking station and monitor to support a laptop. The Studio is overkill for my needs. I am now able to swap out my work Macbook Pro for my personal Macbook Pro very easily. I bought the minimum M1 Pro config with 1TB ssd.
Excellent research and video. This is the reason why I have been saying in a previous video posted by you, that I don't feel the need to buy the Mac Studio. I do have a 2021 16 inch MBP and don't see the added value to buy the Mac Studio. If I decide to buy the Mac Studio one day, it will be the Ultra version or M2 Ultra (in the future).
I think if you don’t need portability and want more ports then you probably want the Studio. So simple.
I don't need it to be portable, just need to make the investment now for the next 5 plus years. Unlike a macbook, I don't need to worry about the battery in 5 years, display or keyboard issues and I doubt I will notice the difference in performance on day to day tasks. Too much weight is given to synthetic benchmarks instead of every day use.
i fail to understand why your titles always tell what shoiuld and should not be done instead of sticking with clean and informative titles. your content is always awesome guys, please don’t keep doing these titles, it ruins your content.
Because they probably see double the amount of views just by making the title seem more emotionally contentious. Which also makes buying dozens of Apple computers every few months a more profitable endeavour. And ultimately, despite the titles, their videos are still some of the best to watch if you want to buy an Apple thingy. So if it's a bit annoying then you might just have to accept it, because I think it's worth the mild irritation for a significant improvement in their metrics and business.
@@jambononi yeah, well done reiterating what i have said *clap*
@@wilsonaala9395 ??? Well no, because you think they should change their titles, whereas I'm making the point that they shouldn't because it would damage their business. And the mild annoyance isn't worth the loss in business because we're all still watching it anyway. So I literally made the opposite point to you.
I really wanted one of these. But if the bloody laptop with bad thermals performs the same, I’m going with that to get the bonus of mobility.
MBP would be used closed and I would need more ports and I would hate to have a dock so ordered the Max studio.
Bought the 14" MacBook Pro with M1 Max. Video editing in Premiere with 4K, 10 bit 4:2:2, 100fps is so smooth! The laptop has so much more power than I need. I mounted it UNDER my desk via a thunderbolt hub. My desktop is now super clean! Just Monitor, speakers and keyboard. No cables etc. The Mac Studio looks sooo clunky on the images! 🙈 And the best thing: I just have to unplug ONE USB-C cable and I have my computer mobile.
Buy the Macbook!
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Maybe it's not optimize. It doesn't make sense. Why not scale up the tdw in the desktop for more performance. Sure can handle the heat.
M1 Max Studio - $2,000
$800 on the ViewSonic VP2785-4K (100% Adobe RGB color gamut)
No sense spending $2,900 for a MacBook Pro, then another $900-$1,500 for a 27" display if you don't take your computer on the road for editing.
I would love to know how this M1 Max with 24core GPU chip compares to the 2019 i9 8-core iMac with 32GB of memory and Radeon Pro 580X in video and photo editing.
I wonder what percentage of all Studios sold thus far have been for the purpose of making UA-cam benchmark videos :0
Which one should I buy if I also want studio display/other keyboard and mouse. And doesn't care about portability.
The M1 only supports 3.2 GHz if all but one of the cores are disabled. You'd have to ask Hector Martin if there are similar behaviors with the M1 Pro and Max, and the Ultra. The limitations are a power limitation of the part, and have nothing to do with thermal throttling.
You're so calm in this video 😅, now I am used to that super excited Max
I picked up a 14 inch MacBook with m1 max and I love it but for sure my next computer is the Mac Studio or the Mac Pro.