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Hey Andrew. If you would like to have a conversation sometime on calibration and I can go over some tips with you, let me know. You can message me on Twitter or my email.
I recently purchased the LG C2 65 inch. And yep your comments on out of the box also apply to the 65 inch. But like you say engage filmmaker mode and then tweak from there and you have an absolute monster of a picture. Superb TV
I’m new in OLEDs, I just got a C2 77” and I added an Apple TV 4K, the best combination ever, WebOS sucks and the “magic” remote is not ergonomic at all, on the other hand side, Siri Remote is light years forward. I love this combination LG.C2+AppleTV4K!!
I recommend using the quick access shortcuts. It saves you dealing with the ads and sluggishness of the home screen. Also, I don't understand why people complain about brightness. I find myself turning down the brightness most of the time on my Evo panel.
Thanks for the in depth review. I appreciate the issue of giving us your calibration settings. Are you able to create a step by step video to teach us how to calibrate a tv diy style I like learning things and would spend the money to do it if I know what I’m doing and it isn’t ridiculous cost
A 5 second search on UA-cam reveals several videos of people calibrating the C2 showing step by step. Why should it be so difficult to follow these steps to get the best results? Perhaps I am over simplifying? What am I missing?
This is a good point on calibration….most of us, me included do not have access to a calibrator. I live in the U.K. and as such I’m fortunate enough to still be able to buy Panasonic TVs. I’ve just ordered a 65” Panasonic LZ2000. That TV was on a shortlist of two along with the Sony A95K - what I will say is that the Panasonic had the best, most natural out of the box picture I’ve ever seen on a TV, it’s a fantastic set. The Sony had some great attributes but at £700 more for the same size, it just wasn’t worth the extra cost….
I love the C2. I absolutely love this tv to death I tested every HDR levels and had it calibrated myself and there are no words to describe how gorgeous the display level is for this tv. It takes a bit of time to set the levels of detail desired to your personal liking, but after you achieved getting the settings what you want this tv will definitely make you really happy knowing you made a great investment. I had tested the Samsung S95B which also has a gorgeous display but I noticed that there were minor issues with washed out parts of brighter images, tearing and now with the latest firmware update the image quality has sort of downgraded a bit. There are cases with quality control issues of the tv being bent on the upper frame area.
@Icipher4 I had my panel calibrated on my own and to access the secret menu to change the color settings to bt2020 press and hold for 3 seconds on the remote settings button and highlight the picture setting and then highlight the select picture mode and go ahead and press the following code on the remote 1113111 and select where it says colorimetry and select bt2020 and the colors will look even better on your panel. Then you can calibrate the rest based on the content and source you are going to view.
It's best said that if you play with the settings and have the tv calibrated to how you like to look at images displayed that would be the best recommendation to go with.
I agree. I almost bought the 77” c2 yesterday so I was doing some extra research on it and love this guys videos but don’t see anyone really doing detailed calibrator settings on specific TVs and always wished they would. With CES so close though I decided to hold off in case something incredible is around the corner or the TV gets cheaper after CES but would still like to see tv people on UA-cam making more settings videos to help people and ease the burden of going through the settings struggle.
@@nuke_looter5174 I recently purchased the LG C2 77 inch and its a fantastic panel bear in mind every tv has its pros and cons and pros on this model outweighs the cons. The high quality image clarity and colors are spot on for me in my opinion. Some of the brightness settings can be calibrated to provide a nice bright image. I was in between chosing the Smasung S95b and the LG C2 and the amount of features overall quality image LG C2 has convinced me more than enough to make it my preferred choice.
Good morning Andrew and Kristi. You love to see pricing getting more competitive and filling out size options in OLED. Also, I still can't stand LG remote/webOS. Add in the fact that calibration is mandatory just about kills it for me. I desperately want to see OLED be a better fit for average Joe's, I still think that we aren't quite there. Thanks for another solid, informative, and entertaining review. I especially appreciate the "don't share settings" segment.
Just get the Sony Oleds, they have the best out of the box accuracy, the A80k or the last year A80J or the A90J, way better than any LG oleds that suck out of the box… LG is not for the general consumers… personally, why would I pay extra for a calibrator after I have paid a hefty price for the tv itself?
My understanding is that the 2022 83” models (C2 and flagship G2) have last year’s 83” EVO panels and not this year’s EX panels. That’s why I am considering the 77” G2 for my next TV, and probably why your brightness/output level is not where it should be for the current model year. To answer today’s question, I still love my Panasonic Z-series plasma swan song. What a shame that tech could not be made for higher resolutions and still be financially viable. Even at 1080p I still get compliments on how beautiful it is when people see it thanks to its amazing native contrast, and NO motion artifacts while watching sports!
I get why you don't share the calibration settings (you explained it well) but do you have a link or video on how to calibrate it for those with the patience and potential capability to calibrate it? Also this review was awesome, thank you!
I got my C1-77" about a month ago for a crazy good price, to replace my perfectly good working 14 yr old Panasonic plasma. I've had no regrets, love this OLED and 4K movies.... I originally wanted the Sony A80J-77", but the LG's price was lower by 1K & the LG was in stock, Sony wasnt! Paired with my RZ50 in a 7.1.2 setup, Life is Good...
Hi there. I'm still watching a Plasma Panasonic 720p around 15 years old. No problems whatsoever. And the picture is awesome. No calibration needed. Now it is time to get a larger one, but honestly, I'm worried of spending so much money and ending up with a "Lemon". Looking for a C2 77". Can't find a C1 in Canada anymore. Are you happy with your C1, and is it a big improvement over the Plasma. Thank you.
2:43 I guess you mean 77" instead of 75". The 83C2 is dimmer because it does not have the latest OLED.EX panel, only the 48", 55", 65" and 77" models currently have it.
Upgraded from X900E to X95J. Only to return the X95J when I got my hands on a C2. It is miles ahead. It also feels way smoother than the Sony. Not to say the X95J is anything near bad. It just might have some bad DSE, which the OLED does NOT. Thanks, great video btw! Keep it up!
Happy happy joy joy!! You guys did an LG OLED review!!! I have the 55” LG C1 and a 65” Sony A80J. I picked up the Sony 2 months ago for $.1599. My living room is smaller (as is my budget limit) than your room so if works for me. Neither are calibrated but I searched many hours on each for the best out of the. Box settings I could find. I agree with you that both would probably be better with calibration but like you said those that can do it are far and few between. Value Electronics out of NY will do it for you before shipping but I really don’t like getting an OLED off a truck. Just me. I also agree with you both that A: these higher level TV’s should be set closer to calibrated at the manufacturer or B: have the same calibration tools that the ones who currently use a smart phone to calibrate them. Again thanks for the LG OLED review!! Andrew and Kristi if you are ever in PA bring your equipment and calibrate the hell out of my 2 OLEDs!!! LOL.
Great great review Andrew of the C2. What's funny is that everyone that I have talked to that own's this tv has never had a complaint of how the tv look's out of the box, never. And I do know that out of the box the C1 looked great as well so I don't really know what the deal was with your C2 but it is a great tv from LG. Now would I replace my C1 with it? No because my C1 has been fully calibrated and it checks ALL the boxes for what I have wanted in a tv. I dont care about QD OLED's and none of that sales pitch stuff. I am set. That being said. Again great review and as always loved Kristys take as well. Keep up the great work.
made my eldery parents go for the 77g2, holy mother of god, i thought it would be good as i have the 65 a90j, but its on a other level, the c2 catches up to the a90j, but the g2 pushes oled to a completly new place and i love it.
I have owned a C9 for years and absolutely love it. I also own proper calibration tools and software to make the necessary changes so I recently purchased this and can’t wait to see what I can do with it, especially with Calman’s LG autocal feature.
I have a C1 and an A80J. The most important difference between them is that the Sony always looks great without adjusting anything. Yes, you can tweak and improve the image but it always seems to be right in the ballpark and adjustments are not necessary. The LG on the other hand always needs extensive adjusting every time you switch content and even then often looks incorrect. The Sony has better motion and better color gradation as well. If you are a videophile, go Sony. Unfortunately this year Sony isn't really making any compelling large OLED's (the a80k is actually a step back in brightness from the A80J). This year the C2 is probably your best bet for a large OLED if you are willing to calibrate it. As for me, I'm waiting a year or two for Sony to launch a reasonably priced large OLED. I just love how you can turn on a Sony and not have to dive into the menus for it to look amazing -and they certainly do!
@@alanclark9000 Well I don't know what 'most calibrators' are saying. I could see it being true with the 22's as LG made some leaps and Sony is less competitive. One thing I do know is that most people buying these tv's are not calibrating them and with the Sony A80J there isn't a need too.
Another great review, guys. Achilles heel of oleds has never been the size. The 77” has been out for years. It’s been it’s brightness. Which is why the QDOLED was introduced. That said, the LG C series provides the best value - performance. Jumping from 77 to 83 though, from prices I’ve seen, is not worth it.
I totally agree with not telling your settings. As a colour-blind person, specially with red, i will certainly not see the tv same as you. Some people can ignore themselves about it & charge you about the « bad settings ». Thank you both for your videos & advices
The comments about not publishing your settings are self-serving and border on absurd. Actionable? TV settings? C'mon man. If this TV is so bad out of the box, your settings are guaranteed to help (even given panel variation). Further, you could define an 80% solution -- IOW, do these things for sure.... Ultimately, your decision not to provide the settings is, of course, your right. We viewers are owed nothing...and you are providing great free content. Many thanks for that. But your stated rationale is over-the-top. Perhaps better to just say nothing.
I think he makes a completely valid point. Sure it might be a touch extreme, but there would definitely be plenty of viewers who would take his settings as “calibrating” the TV, which it would absolutely not be, and they would get the wrong impression, which I think is absolutely true and could and would happen. Just my two cents.
I recently calibrated the 65" C2 and was actually really impressed by the results. I definitely think that the size is causing some of the issues you were seeing with the out of the box inaccuracies. I found that film maker tracked fairly close to delta error 3. But the end result of my calibration I was sitting around 850 nits in HDR. And my overall error was very close to the 1 mark. That being said I'm still not fully sold on no burn in for OLED which is why I'd still stick with LED/QLED although the A90J is still maybe the best I've seen. Haven't gotten to play with the K-series or the QD-OLED yet.
G2 83 inch exist. So does A90J. Both I would probably take over a C2. However, waiting for bigger QD-OLED panels for sure, after seeing S95B in person.
Great job with this review. You voiced a complaint that I’ve had about LGs for awhile, which is poor out of the box calibration. If they could fix that, their TVs would be instant buys.
Excellent review! I install TV's for hotels and the only real options in hospitality is LG and Samsung. And the LGs are better built in my opinion and the picture can be better once the horrific out of the box settings are changed. I think Kristi hit the nail on the head saying 90% of oled buyers won't spend the time to calibrate
Being organic, I wonder how the picture will look in 7-8 years? Will the picture quality break down? I keep my TV’s for apx. 10 years, sometimes longer.
OMG this thanks is 100% for shouting out The Orville! Such a great show :). I don’t like ultra bright so I grabbed the outgoing 77” C1 and it makes my Sony X950g look broken by comparison though i watch a ton of space shows. Totally agree the remote is a bit “funny”.
Really appreciate the love, Nemo. The Orville is one of the best shows I've seen in a long time. The way it tackles sensitive and relative issues is better than most.
I agree with you mate. ISF calibrator - and after living with the Panasonic latest generation OLED’s and the LG’s, I believe for best Price/Performance value, the LG C series (of each year) is clearly the winner. Especially if you’re also a gamer and I’ve noticed for HDR/Dolby Vision content.
I bought a 86 inch LG Nano cell and hated it until I spent ages playing with it until I loved it. recently I bought a 75 inch OLED A1 and had the same reaction but this time knew it just had to be setup right. I didn't use any tools but both look absolutely amazing now. Everything you have said is just so true. btw Nothing is close to OLED for watching TV. Movies still work best with a projector.
Well I work in a tech store and I'm mainly in the TV area and whenever me and my coworkers tell the customers about our TV calibration service, they almost all reject it, because they find it useless or expensive (even if we suggest a discount). Personally I don't like the calibrated profile, I prefer an oversaturated and bright (cool tone) image. Well from what I know you can set your target white point during calibration but we don't give the option for the customer to decide.
You buy a tv like this I hope you’d spend a little bit on making sure the picture looks good. Which for me. The easy answer is the Apple TV. Not only does it make it easier and nicer to use the tv. But it making a color profile for you would work for 95% of people.
I currently have a 58" TV and it looks way too big for my sitting room so I couldn't imagine having an enormous 83" TV in here. My next TV will be a downsize to 48" or 50". I'm going to start saving next month hoping to buy an LG C2 48" on black Friday if I can or another PHILIPS TV
Crazy days, watch both you and Kristy with enthusiasm and hand on heart with the passion that cinemaphiles can only have for all things "best". HOWEVER I'm not standing at the cash register waiting to hand over my dollars. I am sitting focusing on my mobile, as most parents do, whilst my children of 12 and 14 dominate our Smart Sammy. Translating the passion and knowledge you both instill in your subscribers to pick from some of the most amazing technology my generation will ever see, is "out of the box bonkers". In a perfect world we are like most families purchasing systems which should outlast most famiy pets. I don't hear of turnover or succession like both you and Kristy describe. If I'm lucky I might see one more TV in my life. So I have to kind of get it right for 15 years or so. Sometimes it might be easier to just watch you guys on our phones, wishing and dreaming.
I bought the Sony A80J from Value Electronics in NY. Paid $600 for the calibration.......wasn't impressed. I just don't get it. I tried watching the "calibrated" channels and it was too dark Feel ripped off. I sold the tv
Thanks! I have a 77 inch C2 arriving in a few days which I was planning to to calibrate from the outset! Now I truly know that it has to be my first priority once the wrapping is shed. 👍🏾🙏🏾
Also, what is best? Oled. By far. Once you see absolute black, nothing else is as big a benefit. As far as brightness? It's only an issue if you have windows or bright walls opposite the screen. Use curtains.
Compared today LG G2 (slightly brighter C2) side by side with Sony A95k QD oled and QD OLED has upper hand in majority of scenes. More accurate more vivid red, but blue, green or yellow was similar. White was brighter on LG though. Processing was better on Sony more details more color volume that doesn’t make everything wash into same. Second gen bigger QD oled is the one I’m will go for.
Another great review, and I totally agree with not giving out your settings. Im in San Luis Obispo and earlier this year I was shopping for a new TV for my living room. I was torn between the 77A80J and the 77C1 panels and did get the chance to see both in person although they were in store mode at best buy. From what I understand the Sony and the LG have the same panels that are made by LG but with a different processor and OS. The reason that I ended up with the Sony is that the LG C1 required calibration from almost every review I saw and I couldn't find a calibrator locally. Im betting that my Sony A80J could be better if I could find a calibrator locally, but it has some "precalibrated" modes out of the box that look really good to my untrained eyes.
Question for Andrew and Kristi regarding calibration. I am not gonna ask you for your settings. Specially, I am wondering if the difference in picture quality post calibration was enough of an improvement that you would recommend a professional calibration job for this TV? I have an option to get this done and wondering if it is truly money well spent, or if the C2 is good enough out of the box that some minor settings adjustments get you close enough. Seems like you addressed this to a degree in the video, but wondering what improvements the average consumer might notice. Appreciate your insight here.
Hopefully you guys get to review the G2. Your reviews are great and would like to see if the price difference is worth it at 77 inches and bigger. Great Channel both of you!
Great review, you guys, and good on you two for calling out LG's insanely stupid and long ongoing habit of not bothering to at least reference calibrate their TVs for the consumer. All TVs 📺 nowadays really do require some pro calibration for the best picture but at least with my previous Samsungs and my friends and family members' HiSense and TCLs, I have been able to adjust their settings to get a more than reasonably good picture that makes them happy and that allows them to view calibration as an option as opposed to a necessity. No such luck with the LG C2. My friend's father recently got this very C2 you guys reviewed and they asked for my help because they couldn't get a freakin' live basketball game to look right! Keep in mind, live TV 📺 like sports and news which is essentially just video signal requires IMHO the least amount of settings tweaking as compared to movies 🎬 and TV shows. Well after hours of tweaking I finally told my pal's father he should probably get pro calibration done. He did and he's so happy now that he says watching a game now is like being there live. I completely agree after seeing the final calibrated TV at work and definite kudos to LG for the high quality of their OLED TVs but it's insane that they need pro calibration as a defacto standard. It's more than a little shocking how unwatchable they are without it. I wouldn't be surprised if they had many returns with customers wrongly thinking their brand new LG TV was broken. Wise up, LG.
77" QD Oled is the TV to get next year, sure those 6 extra inch are juicy, but there is quite a dramatic level of "Gain" between the LG C2 and Samsung S95B. The latter just having the far superior Brightness and Color Spectrum. Also what you and many probably don't know is that the C2 83" models are not as bright as their 77" counterparts due to some outdated power device in these models. I learned about this from "Classy Tech Calibrations", he's a expert TV Calibrator.
Great review. I got the G1 on the closeout sale, best picture I've ever seen but it took a week hunting through settings to get it there for every input in all input formats. Also, while the screen was magnificent, everything else about the tv felt cheap to a level that I feel should be unacceptable at this price point. Cable clips, panel cover, remote, even the included mount left a lot to be desired. Would still buy again, damn that picture.
With all of this technical stuff, how in the world can a consumer make sense of what to buy. Andrew, you and Kristi made great points on calibration but most people have no understanding on how to properly calibrated a TV set. I can on speak for myself. I will stick to LED because it is tried and true, with a technology that will probably be around the second longest behind the CRT.
Just buy a Sony oled. They're typically more well calibrated out of the box to the point where a lot of reviewers say that you needn't bother (with professional calibration) unless technical perfection matters.
I’m seriously considering either the LG G2 77 or the C2 83. I have a C8 55” now which I’ve been really happy with, but looking for something more cinematic now that we have the space. Not sure I can stretch to the G2 83” at £6300 in the uk.
Having just pulled the trigger on a 2021 Sony A90J I did look at and consider the LG C series, but in 83" size the Sony is a massive £600 cheaper in the UK or a ginormous £1400 cheaper than the G series. To me it was a no brainer to go with the Sony, plus out the box the Sony has (supposedly as I have not verified myself) better PQ without calibration.
@@michael-4k4000 the Sony was 2021 flagship TV therefore can be had at knock down prices. Don't be fooled by the fact that it has been superceded with a new model, the Sony is still an first rate TV and like I said, at the time of buying for me it was considerably cheaper
Ok. Not OLED v LED but OLED vs projection. Planning a media room and keep being pushed to projection because of size. It’s a smallish room so I think 83 would be ok, and will primarily be used by our teens for gaming, with the weekly Saturday family movie. I think I’ve got my answer but very nervous about the heavy investment and then being dissatisfied.
I have the C1 and it’s been a great tv for me. I’m looking to upgrade the size though so looking into C2 or maybe even G2. I’m definitely puzzled over the pre Calibration remarks since Ratings said it has a great out of the box calibration.. ughh haha
LG sure does a lot of things right. I game with both consoles so the C2 or G2 would be a great fit but I’m wondering about the glare factor? In my basement H/T I watch mostly with the lights on and just can’t be sure how an OLED will perform in a bright room.
I had a 55 inch LG C2 but I ended up trading it for a Samsung S95B..my c2 had pink tint along the bottom of the screen otherwise it was a great tv..I owned a LG CX and a LG C2 and it seems that the S95B is way better than both of those tv’s
Thank you for the video, you just made me want to wait for the next model regardless to the $1k USD off for black Friday. Also I don't believe that not sharing your calibration settings would cause you to look bad. Every TV is different and will come looking different from its color profile. I do agree that LG should have these calibrated out of the box.
It would be awesome if you could share a video talking about what to look for when manually calibrating a panel. Another thing worth mentioning (having a C2 77") is the lack of DTS support. It can't even passthrough DTS, which is very, very important.
The good thing about Apple TV 4K is that it can calibrate your TV for you through your iPhone. It won't be professional but knowing this is from Apple whatever they do should work great.
The smaller OLEDs are great, but I agree, their size limitations are a problem when it comes to creating a true immersive experience! Thanks for tuning in and for commenting!
Just bought the two (2) C2 as well. One for the living and one for the bedroom. Is the real reason you don't put up your calibration settings is because it won't justify us (the viewers) not spending $5k on a calibration tool. I undertsnad the business move, but why not share the settings and let the user fine-tune from there? We are not trying to put Calibrators out of business. You know that your settings won't make our panel look worse. In the worst-case scenario, we reset back our settings. Us the users are not calibrating tvs for a living, we just want to enjoy the tv we bought, and look to people like you on UA-cam to help us out. Why are these settings so secretive on your channel? And if you don't want to put up your calibration settings, can you make a video on how you calibrate your OLED TV to Delta E:
get the Calman Home for LG it's only like $450 ($150 for software, $300 for colorimeter) get a bunch of buddies with LG OLEDs CX, C1, C2 etc and split the cost amongst yall it was like $50 for ea of us total and we will be calibrating it soon the real reason you can't share calibration settings is it adjusts a few hundred settings by like 1 or 2 points the human eye won't be able to adjust +/- 1 to get it correct
@@dylan-nguyen Yep. I just ordered the CCDIS3PL last week. Will be splitting it with a buddy of mine to do his G2. After watching a few UA-cam videos, the calibration looks like it's being done internal through its IP address. No? And my gripe with the UA-camr here is that he's saying that if he gives us his settings, it can make our pictures worst. If a user doesn't like it, they can just reset it. No harm no foul. I just don't like the BS sometimes that some UA-camrs give to its viewers like we are a bunch of gullible puppets. If we are asking for technical information, most than likely we know what we are getting ourself into.
@@JerryPena I think there's two things here. 1) picture settings to recommend such as dynamic hdr on or off, sharpness 0, etc those should be recommended and are universal 2) actual calibration numbers shouldn't be shared and can make your TV worse. here's a simple example you and a buddy are both somewhere in a mall and standing X meters away from a shop you guess that it is 55m and your buddy somewhere else guesses 90m your buddy has a laser measurement that says it's actually 110m away (+20m)
Easy for standard content go to custom cinema picture mode turn gamma to 1.9 then brightness to 47 contrast enhancer medium color to 60 ,color warm 2 . Everything else off even motion and ai off.thank me later
Jus bought the LG C2, after getting settings correct.. looks so damn good. Im very happy with it. very strange that these tvs comes with silly default power saving crap, that most people wont even change. kinda sad really.
Lovely review. This is so interesting to see in light of the release of the LG 77" CS. I wonder if it is a dud and people should stick to the C2, or if the CS is the bargain of 2023! Currently the CS in "77 is HALF the price of the "77 C2. There has hardly been any news on the TV's release.
@@michael-4k4000 The CS isn't available in the US. We have it here in Europe and as far as I know it is also avialable in Australia. I have one at home and it's a brilliant TV. €2300 on Amazon in 77 inch.
i dont get it man. I recently bought a LG monitor with 99.9% color accuracy. I tested it with a spyder calibrator. I dont have a color calibrator for an OLED, but why cant they calibrate each monitor before they ship out a 2k plus tv? So your telling me, you got your tv and the color was off, and every other setting was off? How can that be, thats just plain stupid on LGs part
Agreed. My 77 c2 looks amazing out of box using the Rtings settings. This video had me thinking I shouldnt buy this TV without a pro cal. Not the case.... I'll probably still get a cal done just to get the most out of the display but again... I'm happy.
@@MrJjburgess11 Yeah, ill just say I've seen a couple pre/post calibration spec sheets on the AV forum and they seem to prove a calibration makes a difference. I just cant imagine it getting any better. My eyes are probably still adjusting to the OLED tech and I'm still blown away.
Great reviews ! Today LG C2 83" cost about 5000€ plus the calibrator costs and Sony x95j 85" about 3000€ plug and play . So is it truly worth it to pay 2000€ more for the LG ?.
We do not share our calibration settings because they are highly unlikely to translate to your own TV and may even result in a worse looking picture. There are simply too many variations between panels for this to work.
I really wanted a C2 but now you've scared me that the out-of-box PQ is so bad that if you're buying it you need to consider the price with the cost of calibration. I think I'll wait next year for the Sony A80L, hopefully it is as bright as the C2. Or maybe a Panasonic/Samsung 2nd Gen QD OLED. Also I don't think you can calibrate the S95B with the app unfortunately.
So I have the c1 83 and out of the box I thought it was great but maybe a bit dim. After a few months I noticed it got alot brighter. Turns out the TV is not at its best until about after 100 hours of run in time. So out of the box testing is really not useful to most people who will keep the tv. The tv gets much better after about 100 hours of use, this goes for all LG oled TV's.
@@cgaltruist2938 yeah LG states the run in time is 100 hours for all oleds on their website. RTINGS even confirmed the tv's infact do get brighter during the first 100 hours. So calibration or testing before 100 hours is really pointless.
@@cgaltruist2938 nah I haven't actually! I have a Nvidia shield. I might just do a proper calibration and buy the equipment. Wish it had an app like Samsung
@Tom Drums Not sure if you are suggesting that we didn't have the appropriate amount of time on the panel prior to calibrating or not but if that is the case, you would be incorrect.
Hey guys, Hope all is well in your new home. Looks fantastic! I stream only TV, sports and movies. I use Apple TV 4K and am not a gamer (old guy). I'm considering the 42" LG C2 (899 at Best Buy today) and Sony Bravia XRA90K 1149 at Best Buy today). I only have room for 42" and there are not many choices anymore. I'm leaning towards the Sony as the room is brighter during the day with glare in the afternoon. Is either a better choice? Thanks, David
Can you confirm that the LG 83 inch models are using last year’s panels and not what the rest of the size lineup is using? If so would you recommend waiting on an 83 inch or just grabbing a 77 inch now. I wanted to go 83 but the vertical banding and the suggestion of them using an older panel which limits the brightness is concerning.
I don't understand why reviewers are not making this known. the LG G2 77 is a fantastic option.. but if you want an 83.. it becomes complicated.. C2?? A90J?? or just accept the fact that you're over paying for the G2. Reviewers aren't touching this for some reason
Spears and munsil 4k cal disc is easy to use and can get the image as close to reference without hiring a professional. There is a night and day difference after calibration. I personally don't like reference, it's too red and dim, but I tweak the image to my liking. Using the disc establishes a baseline for me to tweak from.
I think you may have misunderstood me. I said, "While not their flagship, chances are, when shopping for an OLED from LG you're eyeing a C2." At looking into the G2 (which I'd happily review if LG was offering to send it), it would appear that the biggest difference (beyond paying about $1200 more) is a slight increase in brightness, more lifestyle focused featured (think Samsung Frame) and the inclusion of flush wall mount. For those interested in learning more, check the 83" equivalent out here: amzn.to/3bP7dlG
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Hey Andrew great reviews always. Did you now that the G2 will be arriving soon in 97 inch at around 25k though but that would be a massive oled to behold!
Great stuff and great review as usual but I'll spend that money on the next integrated Yamaha RN-2000A if life wants it...3700 euros so far...how come I haven't heard about it in 3 months before yesterday...or the 803 is still the best value😄
Hey Andrew. I appreciate the video. Actually expecting mine to arrive tomorrow (albeit 55 inch as NYC apts aren't all that big lol). Nevertheless, I have heard yours and Kristi's complaint about the colors/configuration out of the box not being very good. I will be honest I am NOT very good at calibrating these TVs nor am I good about knowing what the "correct" options to set are. By any chance do you have a list where you've written down your suggested changes to the TV settings to make it pop like you say it can once settings are changed? Would gladly appreciate it! (Also FYI I will be using the newest Apple TV box with it) Thanks a lot
(sorry to disappoint) We don't share our settings because they likely will not translate to your panel. The "why not" is long and complicated and may not make sense in the long run to those not familiar with manufacturing tolerances and calibration procedures in general. That said, if you want the most accurate image from this display without calibration, my recommendation is to select either the movie or filmmaker profile. Then go into the picture menu and set the color temperature is set to Warm 1 or Warm 2. But if you want the image to "pop", put it in standard mode and use Warm 1. This will maximize brightness and curb the blue bias.
You touched on apple tvs because of user interface but I'm surprised you didn't put more of an emphasis on using an apple TV for the ability to calibrate the TV for that input! I used to buy Samsung tvs but recently bought a Sony a80j and it's the best TV I've ever owned. After changing a few settings the a80j has been the most natural looking TV with fantastic reflection and glare surface that's light years ahead of samsung! A better out of box and antiglare surface are 2 things that in my opinion are far more important things on a TV that most reviewers don't really emphasize. Current samsung anti glare is atrocious and the whole reason I ended up with the Sony which is in a very well lit room!
In the post review conversation (towards the end), I mention Apple TV's auto calibration capability. The reason I don't make a bigger deal of it in the review is because it would only apply to the AppleTV input. Since the calibration occurs inside the AppleTV, those settings are not transferable to the TV and its other inputs. If you are using an AppleTV and ONLY an AppleTV for all of your viewing, then this is a great workaround. Just know that if and when you change inputs on your TV or even change the picture profile (even on the input using the AppleTV), you will no longer be watching a calibrated image. TLDR: AppleTV works on one input and one picture profile at a time only.
RE: Glare I'll do my best to make a comment on that aspect of a display's performance in future reviews. I will agree, the Samsung QN900B tv we recently reviewed was pretty bad in that respect (mirror like).
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I actually had a choice between an S95B and the A80J and chose the Sony because of the antiglare and secondly screen size 77 vs 65. As an aside we use the upstairs TV purely with streaming at this point and the Apple TV point makes a lot of sense in this setting. I was pleasantly surprised by the a80j's performance in a highly lit room, the samsung's all gave an unwatchable picture due to a rainbow across the screen from the antiglare.
After a long time on the fence I finally got a 65" SONY BRAVIA A95k QD OLED. Couldn't be happier and is the perfect size for my small room. I upgraded from a 55" 1080p Samsung, so it's a huge upgrade for me. I find the IMAX picture setting is good for watching Amazon Prime through the app (way better than through my attached PC) and I have the PC connected through one of the HDMI 2.1 ports for 4k/120 and VRR. It's a slight shame I can't have 4k/120, VRR and 10 bit HDR at the same time, but it's fine for the games I play.
Your video card may be responsible for the lack of VRR. I know Sony has issues with AMD cards vs NVidia so maybe that is the culprit. Thanks for tuning in this morning!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Yes, it's an older NVidia card, so I have to choose either 4k HDR, or 4k/120 VRR. I opted for the 4k 120 VRR as I only really care about HDR in movies. When I upgrade the graphics card it'll hopefully give me both. 8 bit isn't terrible though. Great video as always. For me, nothing comes close to the motion processing Sony has. I'm really sensitive to the uncanny valley effect I see on the Samsung (and lesser extent the LG). Hopefully Sony bring out an 85" QD OLED soon for you to try.
Great review - but what is that very wide grey frame around the screen? Is that a projector screen behind the TV itself? Sorry but for me that spoils the 'almost frameless' design of the TV itself.
The TV sits inside a recess that was built into the wall so that it sits flush with the wall. You can see how we did that via the links below. What you are seeing is the shadow I guess. Doesn't bother me...but to each their own I suppose. ua-cam.com/video/LNnZonAPzec/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/2Tx_8HE1GvY/v-deo.html
I was ready to pull the plug on the 83-inch C2. You stated the larger model the 83 inch was less bright than the smaller models about 700 nits. My C1 is a little brighter than that. Have you reviewed the 83-inch C3 yet? They are saying the smaller models are about 20 percent brighter. Was wondering if the 83 C3 is brighter or about the same.
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Hey Andrew. If you would like to have a conversation sometime on calibration and I can go over some tips with you, let me know. You can message me on Twitter or my email.
I recently purchased the LG C2 65 inch. And yep your comments on out of the box also apply to the 65 inch. But like you say engage filmmaker mode and then tweak from there and you have an absolute monster of a picture. Superb TV
I’m new in OLEDs, I just got a C2 77” and I added an Apple TV 4K, the best combination ever, WebOS sucks and the “magic” remote is not ergonomic at all, on the other hand side, Siri Remote is light years forward. I love this combination LG.C2+AppleTV4K!!
I never care for TV reviews, but somehow you guys make them so interesting. Thanks for telling a story and not just a review!
Glad you like them!
I recommend using the quick access shortcuts. It saves you dealing with the ads and sluggishness of the home screen.
Also, I don't understand why people complain about brightness. I find myself turning down the brightness most of the time on my Evo panel.
Thanks for the in depth review. I appreciate the issue of giving us your calibration settings. Are you able to create a step by step video to teach us how to calibrate a tv diy style I like learning things and would spend the money to do it if I know what I’m doing and it isn’t ridiculous cost
A 5 second search on UA-cam reveals several videos of people calibrating the C2 showing step by step. Why should it be so difficult to follow these steps to get the best results? Perhaps I am over simplifying? What am I missing?
I saw the LG TV today - it looks REAL - I took a picture off the screen it was AMAZING - I agree with you - #1 TV 2022
This is a good point on calibration….most of us, me included do not have access to a calibrator. I live in the U.K. and as such I’m fortunate enough to still be able to buy Panasonic TVs. I’ve just ordered a 65” Panasonic LZ2000.
That TV was on a shortlist of two along with the Sony A95K - what I will say is that the Panasonic had the best, most natural out of the box picture I’ve ever seen on a TV, it’s a fantastic set. The Sony had some great attributes but at £700 more for the same size, it just wasn’t worth the extra cost….
I love the C2. I absolutely love this tv to death I tested every HDR levels and had it calibrated myself and there are no words to describe how gorgeous the display level is for this tv. It takes a bit of time to set the levels of detail desired to your personal liking, but after you achieved getting the settings what you want this tv will definitely make you really happy knowing you made a great investment.
I had tested the Samsung S95B which also has a gorgeous display but I noticed that there were minor issues with washed out parts of brighter images, tearing and now with the latest firmware update the image quality has sort of downgraded a bit. There are cases with quality control issues of the tv being bent on the upper frame area.
Thanks for the insight. Did you find having it professionally calibrated made a big difference to picture quality?
@Icipher4 I had my panel calibrated on my own and to access the secret menu to change the color settings to bt2020 press and hold for 3 seconds on the remote settings button and highlight the picture setting and then highlight the select picture mode and go ahead and press the following code on the remote 1113111 and select where it says colorimetry and select bt2020 and the colors will look even better on your panel. Then you can calibrate the rest based on the content and source you are going to view.
Or you give us the settings you use and we can go from there?
It's best said that if you play with the settings and have the tv calibrated to how you like to look at images displayed that would be the best recommendation to go with.
I agree. I almost bought the 77” c2 yesterday so I was doing some extra research on it and love this guys videos but don’t see anyone really doing detailed calibrator settings on specific TVs and always wished they would. With CES so close though I decided to hold off in case something incredible is around the corner or the TV gets cheaper after CES but would still like to see tv people on UA-cam making more settings videos to help people and ease the burden of going through the settings struggle.
@@nuke_looter5174 I brought the c2 65" it's amazing for everything Films & Gaming
@@nuke_looter5174 I recently purchased the LG C2 77 inch and its a fantastic panel bear in mind every tv has its pros and cons and pros on this model outweighs the cons. The high quality image clarity and colors are spot on for me in my opinion. Some of the brightness settings can be calibrated to provide a nice bright image. I was in between chosing the Smasung S95b and the LG C2 and the amount of features overall quality image LG C2 has convinced me more than enough to make it my preferred choice.
Good morning Andrew and Kristi. You love to see pricing getting more competitive and filling out size options in OLED. Also, I still can't stand LG remote/webOS. Add in the fact that calibration is mandatory just about kills it for me. I desperately want to see OLED be a better fit for average Joe's, I still think that we aren't quite there. Thanks for another solid, informative, and entertaining review. I especially appreciate the "don't share settings" segment.
Just get the Sony Oleds, they have the best out of the box accuracy, the A80k or the last year A80J or the A90J, way better than any LG oleds that suck out of the box… LG is not for the general consumers… personally, why would I pay extra for a calibrator after I have paid a hefty price for the tv itself?
Thank you guys. I basically smiled all through this video. And then, I smiled again.
My understanding is that the 2022 83” models (C2 and flagship G2) have last year’s 83” EVO panels and not this year’s EX panels. That’s why I am considering the 77” G2 for my next TV, and probably why your brightness/output level is not where it should be for the current model year. To answer today’s question, I still love my Panasonic Z-series plasma swan song. What a shame that tech could not be made for higher resolutions and still be financially viable. Even at 1080p I still get compliments on how beautiful it is when people see it thanks to its amazing native contrast, and NO motion artifacts while watching sports!
I get why you don't share the calibration settings (you explained it well) but do you have a link or video on how to calibrate it for those with the patience and potential capability to calibrate it? Also this review was awesome, thank you!
I got my C1-77" about a month ago for a crazy good price, to replace my perfectly good working 14 yr old Panasonic plasma. I've had no regrets, love this OLED and
4K movies.... I originally wanted the Sony A80J-77", but the LG's price was lower by 1K & the LG was in stock, Sony wasnt!
Paired with my RZ50 in a 7.1.2 setup, Life is Good...
Hi there. I'm still watching a Plasma Panasonic 720p around 15 years old. No problems whatsoever. And the picture is awesome. No calibration needed. Now it is time to get a larger one, but honestly, I'm worried of spending so much money and ending up with a "Lemon". Looking for a C2 77". Can't find a C1 in Canada anymore. Are you happy with your C1, and is it a big improvement over the Plasma. Thank you.
2:43 I guess you mean 77" instead of 75". The 83C2 is dimmer because it does not have the latest OLED.EX panel, only the 48", 55", 65" and 77" models currently have it.
I know this makes no sense LG doing this the most expensive model at 83 no EX please LG explain to me how does this make any sense?
I have the77 inch C2. I bought it because it is pretty much a huge computer monitor for video games. Under 5ms input lag, 120hz, gsync.
Upgraded from X900E to X95J. Only to return the X95J when I got my hands on a C2. It is miles ahead. It also feels way smoother than the Sony. Not to say the X95J is anything near bad. It just might have some bad DSE, which the OLED does NOT. Thanks, great video btw! Keep it up!
Happy happy joy joy!! You guys did an LG OLED review!!! I have the 55” LG C1 and a 65” Sony A80J. I picked up the Sony 2 months ago for $.1599. My living room is smaller (as is my budget limit) than your room so if works for me. Neither are calibrated but I searched many hours on each for the best out of the. Box settings I could find. I agree with you that both would probably be better with calibration but like you said those that can do it are far and few between. Value Electronics out of NY will do it for you before shipping but I really don’t like getting an OLED off a truck. Just me. I also agree with you both that A: these higher level TV’s should be set closer to calibrated at the manufacturer or B: have the same calibration tools that the ones who currently use a smart phone to calibrate them. Again thanks for the LG OLED review!! Andrew and Kristi if you are ever in PA bring your equipment and calibrate the hell out of my 2 OLEDs!!! LOL.
You can calibrate it yourself if you are game. Links to tools are in the desx!
Great great review Andrew of the C2. What's funny is that everyone that I have talked to that own's this tv has never had a complaint of how the tv look's out of the box, never. And I do know that out of the box the C1 looked great as well so I don't really know what the deal was with your C2 but it is a great tv from LG. Now would I replace my C1 with it? No because my C1 has been fully calibrated and it checks ALL the boxes for what I have wanted in a tv. I dont care about QD OLED's and none of that sales pitch stuff. I am set. That being said. Again great review and as always loved Kristys take as well. Keep up the great work.
made my eldery parents go for the 77g2, holy mother of god, i thought it would be good as i have the 65 a90j, but its on a other level, the c2 catches up to the a90j, but the g2 pushes oled to a completly new place and i love it.
I have owned a C9 for years and absolutely love it. I also own proper calibration tools and software to make the necessary changes so I recently purchased this and can’t wait to see what I can do with it, especially with Calman’s LG autocal feature.
I have a C1 and an A80J. The most important difference between them is that the Sony always looks great without adjusting anything. Yes, you can tweak and improve the image but it always seems to be right in the ballpark and adjustments are not necessary. The LG on the other hand always needs extensive adjusting every time you switch content and even then often looks incorrect. The Sony has better motion and better color gradation as well. If you are a videophile, go Sony. Unfortunately this year Sony isn't really making any compelling large OLED's (the a80k is actually a step back in brightness from the A80J). This year the C2 is probably your best bet for a large OLED if you are willing to calibrate it. As for me, I'm waiting a year or two for Sony to launch a reasonably priced large OLED. I just love how you can turn on a Sony and not have to dive into the menus for it to look amazing -and they certainly do!
Most pro calibrators are saying a LG oleds look better then sony after cailbrate
@@alanclark9000 Well I don't know what 'most calibrators' are saying. I could see it being true with the 22's as LG made some leaps and Sony is less competitive. One thing I do know is that most people buying these tv's are not calibrating them and with the Sony A80J there isn't a need too.
@@bearclaw5115 true 👍 about turning on a sony and just enjoying it. But for games I'll have to give it to the LG starting from c1 and up
Another great review, guys.
Achilles heel of oleds has never been the size. The 77” has been out for years. It’s been it’s brightness. Which is why the QDOLED was introduced.
That said, the LG C series provides the best value - performance. Jumping from 77 to 83 though, from prices I’ve seen, is not worth it.
I totally agree with not telling your settings. As a colour-blind person, specially with red, i will certainly not see the tv same as you. Some people can ignore themselves about it & charge you about the « bad settings ». Thank you both for your videos & advices
The comments about not publishing your settings are self-serving and border on absurd. Actionable? TV settings? C'mon man. If this TV is so bad out of the box, your settings are guaranteed to help (even given panel variation). Further, you could define an 80% solution -- IOW, do these things for sure.... Ultimately, your decision not to provide the settings is, of course, your right. We viewers are owed nothing...and you are providing great free content. Many thanks for that. But your stated rationale is over-the-top. Perhaps better to just say nothing.
I think he makes a completely valid point. Sure it might be a touch extreme, but there would definitely be plenty of viewers who would take his settings as “calibrating” the TV, which it would absolutely not be, and they would get the wrong impression, which I think is absolutely true and could and would happen. Just my two cents.
I recently calibrated the 65" C2 and was actually really impressed by the results. I definitely think that the size is causing some of the issues you were seeing with the out of the box inaccuracies. I found that film maker tracked fairly close to delta error 3. But the end result of my calibration I was sitting around 850 nits in HDR. And my overall error was very close to the 1 mark.
That being said I'm still not fully sold on no burn in for OLED which is why I'd still stick with LED/QLED although the A90J is still maybe the best I've seen. Haven't gotten to play with the K-series or the QD-OLED yet.
G2 83 inch exist. So does A90J. Both I would probably take over a C2. However, waiting for bigger QD-OLED panels for sure, after seeing S95B in person.
Great job with this review. You voiced a complaint that I’ve had about LGs for awhile, which is poor out of the box calibration. If they could fix that, their TVs would be instant buys.
I love the day after tomorrow sample lol
An oldie but goodie.
Excellent review! I install TV's for hotels and the only real options in hospitality is LG and Samsung. And the LGs are better built in my opinion and the picture can be better once the horrific out of the box settings are changed. I think Kristi hit the nail on the head saying 90% of oled buyers won't spend the time to calibrate
That’s looks like great TV. In January I upgraded my old Samsung to LG C1 65” and I love it…
That C1 was killer and (I believe) is still able to be purchased in some places. Thanks for sharing and for watching this morning!
Always love your reviews! C2 Looks awesome however, in a perfect world a comparison between a 83" a90j and the 83' c2. will have been a great one.
I ha e one in the garage and I love it when I’m working on a car and I can glimpse over and watch tv while I work on my projects
Those concept 50’s in white are looking good in your room!
Stay tuned, you won't want to miss their review which is coming up very soon.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Looking forwards to it!
Being organic, I wonder how the picture will look in 7-8 years? Will the picture quality break down? I keep my TV’s for apx. 10 years, sometimes longer.
OMG this thanks is 100% for shouting out The Orville! Such a great show :). I don’t like ultra bright so I grabbed the outgoing 77” C1 and it makes my Sony X950g look broken by comparison though i watch a ton of space shows. Totally agree the remote is a bit “funny”.
Really appreciate the love, Nemo. The Orville is one of the best shows I've seen in a long time. The way it tackles sensitive and relative issues is better than most.
I agree with you mate. ISF calibrator - and after living with the Panasonic latest generation OLED’s and the LG’s, I believe for best Price/Performance value, the LG C series (of each year) is clearly the winner. Especially if you’re also a gamer and I’ve noticed for HDR/Dolby Vision content.
I bought a 86 inch LG Nano cell and hated it until I spent ages playing with it until I loved it. recently I bought a 75 inch OLED A1 and had the same reaction but this time knew it just had to be setup right. I didn't use any tools but both look absolutely amazing now. Everything you have said is just so true. btw Nothing is close to OLED for watching TV. Movies still work best with a projector.
Just upgraded from a Sony 55" X95H LED to a Sony A80K OLED (77") about two months ago. I like oled more. Easy choice for me.
Well I work in a tech store and I'm mainly in the TV area and whenever me and my coworkers tell the customers about our TV calibration service, they almost all reject it, because they find it useless or expensive (even if we suggest a discount).
Personally I don't like the calibrated profile, I prefer an oversaturated and bright (cool tone) image.
Well from what I know you can set your target white point during calibration but we don't give the option for the customer to decide.
You buy a tv like this I hope you’d spend a little bit on making sure the picture looks good. Which for me. The easy answer is the Apple TV. Not only does it make it easier and nicer to use the tv. But it making a color profile for you would work for 95% of people.
I currently have a 58" TV and it looks way too big for my sitting room so I couldn't imagine having an enormous 83" TV in here. My next TV will be a downsize to 48" or 50".
I'm going to start saving next month hoping to buy an LG C2 48" on black Friday if I can or another PHILIPS TV
I just got this TV for 2100$ open box. Awesome deal.
Crazy days, watch both you and Kristy with enthusiasm and hand on heart with the passion that cinemaphiles can only have for all things "best".
HOWEVER I'm not standing at the cash register waiting to hand over my dollars. I am sitting focusing on my mobile, as most parents do, whilst my children of 12 and 14 dominate our Smart Sammy.
Translating the passion and knowledge you both instill in your subscribers to pick from some of the most amazing technology my generation will ever see, is "out of the box bonkers". In a perfect world we are like most families purchasing systems which should outlast most famiy pets. I don't hear of turnover or succession like both you and Kristy describe. If I'm lucky I might see one more TV in my life. So I have to kind of get it right for 15 years or so. Sometimes it might be easier to just watch you guys on our phones, wishing and dreaming.
I almost bought this tv until this video. I’ll never understand why a tv needs expert calibration. Just crazy to me
I bought the Sony A80J from Value Electronics in NY. Paid $600 for the calibration.......wasn't impressed. I just don't get it. I tried watching the "calibrated" channels and it was too dark
Feel ripped off. I sold the tv
@@coochiecrook7120 buy the c2 and set it to filmmakers mode and forget about it
Thanks! I have a 77 inch C2 arriving in a few days which I was planning to to calibrate from the outset! Now I truly know that it has to be my first priority once the wrapping is shed. 👍🏾🙏🏾
Also, what is best? Oled. By far. Once you see absolute black, nothing else is as big a benefit. As far as brightness? It's only an issue if you have windows or bright walls opposite the screen. Use curtains.
Another amazing review, Andrew and Kristi. Thanks. What tools do you use for video calibration?
Hi John, Thanks for tuning in! You'll find that information in the description box just below the video's title.
Compared today LG G2 (slightly brighter C2) side by side with Sony A95k QD oled and QD OLED has upper hand in majority of scenes. More accurate more vivid red, but blue, green or yellow was similar. White was brighter on LG though. Processing was better on Sony more details more color volume that doesn’t make everything wash into same. Second gen bigger QD oled is the one I’m will go for.
Another great review, and I totally agree with not giving out your settings. Im in San Luis Obispo and earlier this year I was shopping for a new TV for my living room. I was torn between the 77A80J and the 77C1 panels and did get the chance to see both in person although they were in store mode at best buy.
From what I understand the Sony and the LG have the same panels that are made by LG but with a different processor and OS. The reason that I ended up with the Sony is that the LG C1 required calibration from almost every review I saw and I couldn't find a calibrator locally. Im betting that my Sony A80J could be better if I could find a calibrator locally, but it has some "precalibrated" modes out of the box that look really good to my untrained eyes.
You are correct in that LG makes Sony's panels. Based on our time with the A90J, I don't doubt the A80J is a great viewing experience!
Question for Andrew and Kristi regarding calibration. I am not gonna ask you for your settings. Specially, I am wondering if the difference in picture quality post calibration was enough of an improvement that you would recommend a professional calibration job for this TV? I have an option to get this done and wondering if it is truly money well spent, or if the C2 is good enough out of the box that some minor settings adjustments get you close enough. Seems like you addressed this to a degree in the video, but wondering what improvements the average consumer might notice. Appreciate your insight here.
Kristi to the rescue - 11:14
Hopefully you guys get to review the G2. Your reviews are great and would like to see if the price difference is worth it at 77 inches and bigger. Great Channel both of you!
Great review, you guys, and good on you two for calling out LG's insanely stupid and long ongoing habit of not bothering to at least reference calibrate their TVs for the consumer. All TVs 📺 nowadays really do require some pro calibration for the best picture but at least with my previous Samsungs and my friends and family members' HiSense and TCLs, I have been able to adjust their settings to get a more than reasonably good picture that makes them happy and that allows them to view calibration as an option as opposed to a necessity.
No such luck with the LG C2. My friend's father recently got this very C2 you guys reviewed and they asked for my help because they couldn't get a freakin' live basketball game to look right! Keep in mind, live TV 📺 like sports and news which is essentially just video signal requires IMHO the least amount of settings tweaking as compared to movies 🎬 and TV shows. Well after hours of tweaking I finally told my pal's father he should probably get pro calibration done. He did and he's so happy now that he says watching a game now is like being there live.
I completely agree after seeing the final calibrated TV at work and definite kudos to LG for the high quality of their OLED TVs but it's insane that they need pro calibration as a defacto standard. It's more than a little shocking how unwatchable they are without it. I wouldn't be surprised if they had many returns with customers wrongly thinking their brand new LG TV was broken. Wise up, LG.
77" QD Oled is the TV to get next year, sure those 6 extra inch are juicy, but there is quite a dramatic level of "Gain" between the LG C2 and Samsung S95B. The latter just having the far superior Brightness and Color Spectrum.
Also what you and many probably don't know is that the C2 83" models are not as bright as their 77" counterparts due to some outdated power device in these models. I learned about this from "Classy Tech Calibrations", he's a expert TV Calibrator.
The shout out to The Orville was the best part, Thanks Drew!
The 83" C2 just went on sale this week for $3,995. The largest and One of the best 4k oled displays For under $4K ? Wow, we have come a long way.
Yes I have 2 C2 already 65, 77 , now at 4K have to get the 3rd one at 83inch lol
@@MrStrictlyOLED right? I need that 83” LG c2. The 77” is looking smaller everytime I look at it now
The 77 is on sale now for 2499. Great price . I just bought one.
Great review. I got the G1 on the closeout sale, best picture I've ever seen but it took a week hunting through settings to get it there for every input in all input formats. Also, while the screen was magnificent, everything else about the tv felt cheap to a level that I feel should be unacceptable at this price point. Cable clips, panel cover, remote, even the included mount left a lot to be desired. Would still buy again, damn that picture.
Thanks for the review, and thanks for turning me on to your brothers channel!
With all of this technical stuff, how in the world can a consumer make sense of what to buy. Andrew, you and Kristi made great points on calibration but most people have no understanding on how to properly calibrated a TV set. I can on speak for myself. I will stick to LED because it is tried and true, with a technology that will probably be around the second longest behind the CRT.
So glad to know it was helpful! Thanks for watching, Brian.
Just buy a Sony oled. They're typically more well calibrated out of the box to the point where a lot of reviewers say that you needn't bother (with professional calibration) unless technical perfection matters.
@@E4xtream agree. Bought the 77” A80J and it’s amazing.
@@chrisrizzo627 Got the same.
Buy the G version it is good out of the box, of course in one of the expert settings
Can’t wait for your QD-Oled reviews 👍
Love your reviews. Especially the bonus conversation, lucky you have a wife interested in this my friend!
I’m seriously considering either the LG G2 77 or the C2 83. I have a C8 55” now which I’ve been really happy with, but looking for something more cinematic now that we have the space. Not sure I can stretch to the G2 83” at £6300 in the uk.
If you strong on G2 design then get it if not bothered then C2
Andrew , do you have a video going through the calibration for the c2 step by step ?
Having just pulled the trigger on a 2021 Sony A90J I did look at and consider the LG C series, but in 83" size the Sony is a massive £600 cheaper in the UK or a ginormous £1400 cheaper than the G series. To me it was a no brainer to go with the Sony, plus out the box the Sony has (supposedly as I have not verified myself) better PQ without calibration.
@@michael-4k4000 the Sony was 2021 flagship TV therefore can be had at knock down prices. Don't be fooled by the fact that it has been superceded with a new model, the Sony is still an first rate TV and like I said, at the time of buying for me it was considerably cheaper
Ok. Not OLED v LED but OLED vs projection. Planning a media room and keep being pushed to projection because of size. It’s a smallish room so I think 83 would be ok, and will primarily be used by our teens for gaming, with the weekly Saturday family movie. I think I’ve got my answer but very nervous about the heavy investment and then being dissatisfied.
I have the C1 and it’s been a great tv for me. I’m looking to upgrade the size though so looking into C2 or maybe even G2. I’m definitely puzzled over the pre Calibration remarks since Ratings said it has a great out of the box calibration.. ughh haha
Ya, I don't understand that too since others like ratings said it's great out of the box
LG sure does a lot of things right. I game with both consoles so the C2 or G2 would be a great fit but I’m wondering about the glare factor? In my basement H/T I watch mostly with the lights on and just can’t be sure how an OLED will perform in a bright room.
Earned yourself a new Sub. I truly, truly , truuuly appreciate how honest and forthright you are with the review. Thanks Andrew and team.
Welcome!
I had a 55 inch LG C2 but I ended up trading it for a Samsung S95B..my c2 had pink tint along the bottom of the screen otherwise it was a great tv..I owned a LG CX and a LG C2 and it seems that the S95B is way better than both of those tv’s
Kiel same here i had the c2 65 love it but pink tint was bad. Grab the Samsung s95b 65 the screen is very clean.
Thank you for the video, you just made me want to wait for the next model regardless to the $1k USD off for black Friday. Also I don't believe that not sharing your calibration settings would cause you to look bad. Every TV is different and will come looking different from its color profile. I do agree that LG should have these calibrated out of the box.
It would be awesome if you could share a video talking about what to look for when manually calibrating a panel.
Another thing worth mentioning (having a C2 77") is the lack of DTS support. It can't even passthrough DTS, which is very, very important.
The good thing about Apple TV 4K is that it can calibrate your TV for you through your iPhone. It won't be professional but knowing this is from Apple whatever they do should work great.
C2 is a great tv, i`m hoping Sony bring out an 83" QD Oled next year, the A95K is great but 65" just isn`t big enough
The smaller OLEDs are great, but I agree, their size limitations are a problem when it comes to creating a true immersive experience! Thanks for tuning in and for commenting!
I can't wait to see the new Sony and Samsung TVs reviewed on this channel!
In case you missed it: ua-cam.com/video/K36ltqYWHM8/v-deo.html
I’ve been loving my 77” C1 so much I got a 55” for our primary bedroom.
Once you get them right they're GREAT!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I’ve gotten a lot of help with set up watching Vincent from HDTVTest on UA-cam
Hi Andrew thanks for the video. How high from the ground did you mount the tv?
Just bought the two (2) C2 as well. One for the living and one for the bedroom. Is the real reason you don't put up your calibration settings is because it won't justify us (the viewers) not spending $5k on a calibration tool. I undertsnad the business move, but why not share the settings and let the user fine-tune from there? We are not trying to put Calibrators out of business. You know that your settings won't make our panel look worse. In the worst-case scenario, we reset back our settings. Us the users are not calibrating tvs for a living, we just want to enjoy the tv we bought, and look to people like you on UA-cam to help us out. Why are these settings so secretive on your channel?
And if you don't want to put up your calibration settings, can you make a video on how you calibrate your OLED TV to Delta E:
get the Calman Home for LG
it's only like $450 ($150 for software, $300 for colorimeter)
get a bunch of buddies with LG OLEDs CX, C1, C2 etc and split the cost amongst yall
it was like $50 for ea of us total and we will be calibrating it soon
the real reason you can't share calibration settings is it adjusts a few hundred settings by like 1 or 2 points
the human eye won't be able to adjust +/- 1 to get it correct
@@dylan-nguyen Yep. I just ordered the CCDIS3PL last week. Will be splitting it with a buddy of mine to do his G2.
After watching a few UA-cam videos, the calibration looks like it's being done internal through its IP address. No?
And my gripe with the UA-camr here is that he's saying that if he gives us his settings, it can make our pictures worst. If a user doesn't like it, they can just reset it. No harm no foul. I just don't like the BS sometimes that some UA-camrs give to its viewers like we are a bunch of gullible puppets. If we are asking for technical information, most than likely we know what we are getting ourself into.
@@JerryPena I think there's two things here.
1) picture settings to recommend such as dynamic hdr on or off, sharpness 0, etc those should be recommended and are universal
2) actual calibration numbers shouldn't be shared and can make your TV worse. here's a simple example
you and a buddy are both somewhere in a mall and standing X meters away from a shop
you guess that it is 55m and your buddy somewhere else guesses 90m
your buddy has a laser measurement that says it's actually 110m away (+20m)
Easy for standard content go to custom cinema picture mode turn gamma to 1.9 then brightness to 47 contrast enhancer medium color to 60 ,color warm 2 . Everything else off even motion and ai off.thank me later
Have any picture settings for the C2?
Jus bought the LG C2, after getting settings correct.. looks so damn good. Im very happy with it. very strange that these tvs comes with silly default power saving crap, that most people wont even change. kinda sad really.
Share some settings for sdr movie n ott
Lovely review. This is so interesting to see in light of the release of the LG 77" CS. I wonder if it is a dud and people should stick to the C2, or if the CS is the bargain of 2023! Currently the CS in "77 is HALF the price of the "77 C2. There has hardly been any news on the TV's release.
I just picked up a 77inch for $2500 on Amazon. Hard to beat that right now..
@@adamnewman2049fascinating.That's the CS, is it? What made you pull out the credit card
@@michael-4k4000 The CS isn't available in the US. We have it here in Europe and as far as I know it is also avialable in Australia. I have one at home and it's a brilliant TV. €2300 on Amazon in 77 inch.
i dont get it man. I recently bought a LG monitor with 99.9% color accuracy. I tested it with a spyder calibrator.
I dont have a color calibrator for an OLED, but why cant they calibrate each monitor before they ship out a 2k plus tv?
So your telling me, you got your tv and the color was off, and every other setting was off?
How can that be, thats just plain stupid on LGs part
too many variables
Agreed. My 77 c2 looks amazing out of box using the Rtings settings. This video had me thinking I shouldnt buy this TV without a pro cal. Not the case.... I'll probably still get a cal done just to get the most out of the display but again... I'm happy.
@@touring189 good to hear. I have a 77 C2 on the way .
@@MrJjburgess11 Yeah, ill just say I've seen a couple pre/post calibration spec sheets on the AV forum and they seem to prove a calibration makes a difference. I just cant imagine it getting any better. My eyes are probably still adjusting to the OLED tech and I'm still blown away.
@TOURING 18 yeah was looking into what it cost the have a calibration done professionally. It's around 250. Definitely not cheap.
Great reviews ! Today LG C2 83" cost about 5000€ plus the calibrator costs and Sony x95j 85" about 3000€ plug and play . So is it truly worth it to pay 2000€ more for the LG ?.
Can you list the C2 settings you ended up going with? I just bought a 77" C2 and want to calibrate it to see what you came up with.
We do not share our calibration settings because they are highly unlikely to translate to your own TV and may even result in a worse looking picture. There are simply too many variations between panels for this to work.
I really wanted a C2 but now you've scared me that the out-of-box PQ is so bad that if you're buying it you need to consider the price with the cost of calibration. I think I'll wait next year for the Sony A80L, hopefully it is as bright as the C2. Or maybe a Panasonic/Samsung 2nd Gen QD OLED.
Also I don't think you can calibrate the S95B with the app unfortunately.
So I have the c1 83 and out of the box I thought it was great but maybe a bit dim. After a few months I noticed it got alot brighter. Turns out the TV is not at its best until about after 100 hours of run in time. So out of the box testing is really not useful to most people who will keep the tv. The tv gets much better after about 100 hours of use, this goes for all LG oled TV's.
yes, I got the same impression on the C1. And I can go even further saying that it got better trough time :D
@@cgaltruist2938 yeah LG states the run in time is 100 hours for all oleds on their website. RTINGS even confirmed the tv's infact do get brighter during the first 100 hours. So calibration or testing before 100 hours is really pointless.
@@tomdrums4607 have you ever tested the Apple + calibrattion options? Just curious ^^ It would be cool to have a call app from LG tough.
@@cgaltruist2938 nah I haven't actually! I have a Nvidia shield. I might just do a proper calibration and buy the equipment. Wish it had an app like Samsung
@Tom Drums Not sure if you are suggesting that we didn't have the appropriate amount of time on the panel prior to calibrating or not but if that is the case, you would be incorrect.
Hey guys, Hope all is well in your new home. Looks fantastic! I stream only TV, sports and movies. I use Apple TV 4K and am not a gamer (old guy). I'm considering the 42" LG C2 (899 at Best Buy today) and Sony Bravia XRA90K 1149 at Best Buy today). I only have room for 42" and there are not many choices anymore. I'm leaning towards the Sony as the room is brighter during the day with glare in the afternoon. Is either a better choice? Thanks, David
Nothing beats my LG Wallpaper TV...even my much newer OLED and Nano although the Nano is bright af
Hello. Please tell me what is better to buy Sony 65A80J vs Sony 55A90J..? Or another version of Sony 65A80J vs LG 65 C2..? Thanks
Can you confirm that the LG 83 inch models are using last year’s panels and not what the rest of the size lineup is using? If so would you recommend waiting on an 83 inch or just grabbing a 77 inch now. I wanted to go 83 but the vertical banding and the suggestion of them using an older panel which limits the brightness is concerning.
I don't understand why reviewers are not making this known. the LG G2 77 is a fantastic option.. but if you want an 83.. it becomes complicated.. C2?? A90J?? or just accept the fact that you're over paying for the G2. Reviewers aren't touching this for some reason
Where you get the information from,
Spears and munsil 4k cal disc is easy to use and can get the image as close to reference without hiring a professional. There is a night and day difference after calibration. I personally don't like reference, it's too red and dim, but I tweak the image to my liking. Using the disc establishes a baseline for me to tweak from.
You should give a g2 a try as well it’s brighter and better i hear.That’s the flagship not C2
I think you may have misunderstood me. I said, "While not their flagship, chances are, when shopping for an OLED from LG you're eyeing a C2." At looking into the G2 (which I'd happily review if LG was offering to send it), it would appear that the biggest difference (beyond paying about $1200 more) is a slight increase in brightness, more lifestyle focused featured (think Samsung Frame) and the inclusion of flush wall mount. For those interested in learning more, check the 83" equivalent out here: amzn.to/3bP7dlG
@@andrewrobinsonreviews and the g2 got a heatsink
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Hey Andrew great reviews always. Did you now that the G2 will be arriving soon in 97 inch at around 25k though but that would be a massive oled to behold!
@rick verwiel Doesn't entirely surprise me. I know Sony has a similar model (wink). 😉 Would love to check either of them out!
Thank you for mentioning the issue with calibration. Wake up LG, you are making it too hard for consumers and shooting yourselves in the foot.
Great stuff and great review as usual but I'll spend that money on the next integrated Yamaha RN-2000A if life wants it...3700 euros so far...how come I haven't heard about it in 3 months before yesterday...or the 803 is still the best value😄
Hey Andrew. I appreciate the video. Actually expecting mine to arrive tomorrow (albeit 55 inch as NYC apts aren't all that big lol). Nevertheless, I have heard yours and Kristi's complaint about the colors/configuration out of the box not being very good. I will be honest I am NOT very good at calibrating these TVs nor am I good about knowing what the "correct" options to set are. By any chance do you have a list where you've written down your suggested changes to the TV settings to make it pop like you say it can once settings are changed? Would gladly appreciate it! (Also FYI I will be using the newest Apple TV box with it) Thanks a lot
Well I finished watching and you said you don't give settings :( ah well
(sorry to disappoint) We don't share our settings because they likely will not translate to your panel. The "why not" is long and complicated and may not make sense in the long run to those not familiar with manufacturing tolerances and calibration procedures in general. That said, if you want the most accurate image from this display without calibration, my recommendation is to select either the movie or filmmaker profile. Then go into the picture menu and set the color temperature is set to Warm 1 or Warm 2. But if you want the image to "pop", put it in standard mode and use Warm 1. This will maximize brightness and curb the blue bias.
Also - check out our video "how to make any tv look better".
You touched on apple tvs because of user interface but I'm surprised you didn't put more of an emphasis on using an apple TV for the ability to calibrate the TV for that input! I used to buy Samsung tvs but recently bought a Sony a80j and it's the best TV I've ever owned. After changing a few settings the a80j has been the most natural looking TV with fantastic reflection and glare surface that's light years ahead of samsung! A better out of box and antiglare surface are 2 things that in my opinion are far more important things on a TV that most reviewers don't really emphasize. Current samsung anti glare is atrocious and the whole reason I ended up with the Sony which is in a very well lit room!
In the post review conversation (towards the end), I mention Apple TV's auto calibration capability. The reason I don't make a bigger deal of it in the review is because it would only apply to the AppleTV input. Since the calibration occurs inside the AppleTV, those settings are not transferable to the TV and its other inputs.
If you are using an AppleTV and ONLY an AppleTV for all of your viewing, then this is a great workaround. Just know that if and when you change inputs on your TV or even change the picture profile (even on the input using the AppleTV), you will no longer be watching a calibrated image.
TLDR: AppleTV works on one input and one picture profile at a time only.
RE: Glare
I'll do my best to make a comment on that aspect of a display's performance in future reviews. I will agree, the Samsung QN900B tv we recently reviewed was pretty bad in that respect (mirror like).
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I actually had a choice between an S95B and the A80J and chose the Sony because of the antiglare and secondly screen size 77 vs 65. As an aside we use the upstairs TV purely with streaming at this point and the Apple TV point makes a lot of sense in this setting. I was pleasantly surprised by the a80j's performance in a highly lit room, the samsung's all gave an unwatchable picture due to a rainbow across the screen from the antiglare.
After a long time on the fence I finally got a 65" SONY BRAVIA A95k QD OLED. Couldn't be happier and is the perfect size for my small room.
I upgraded from a 55" 1080p Samsung, so it's a huge upgrade for me. I find the IMAX picture setting is good for watching Amazon Prime through the app (way better than through my attached PC) and I have the PC connected through one of the HDMI 2.1 ports for 4k/120 and VRR. It's a slight shame I can't have 4k/120, VRR and 10 bit HDR at the same time, but it's fine for the games I play.
Your video card may be responsible for the lack of VRR. I know Sony has issues with AMD cards vs NVidia so maybe that is the culprit. Thanks for tuning in this morning!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Yes, it's an older NVidia card, so I have to choose either 4k HDR, or 4k/120 VRR.
I opted for the 4k 120 VRR as I only really care about HDR in movies. When I upgrade the graphics card it'll hopefully give me both. 8 bit isn't terrible though.
Great video as always. For me, nothing comes close to the motion processing Sony has. I'm really sensitive to the uncanny valley effect I see on the Samsung (and lesser extent the LG). Hopefully Sony bring out an 85" QD OLED soon for you to try.
@@TheSurfingCat you need 20xx nvidia minimum for support of hdmi 2.1 (VRR and 120Hz)
Just wait and get the G2 on sale this fall for the current price of the C2. It gets brighter, is spot on calibration out of the box.
Great review - but what is that very wide grey frame around the screen? Is that a projector screen behind the TV itself? Sorry but for me that spoils the 'almost frameless' design of the TV itself.
The TV sits inside a recess that was built into the wall so that it sits flush with the wall. You can see how we did that via the links below. What you are seeing is the shadow I guess. Doesn't bother me...but to each their own I suppose.
ua-cam.com/video/LNnZonAPzec/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/2Tx_8HE1GvY/v-deo.html
I was ready to pull the plug on the 83-inch C2. You stated the larger model the 83 inch was less bright than the smaller models about 700 nits. My C1 is a little brighter than that. Have you reviewed the 83-inch C3 yet? They are saying the smaller models are about 20 percent brighter. Was wondering if the 83 C3 is brighter or about the same.
Same question.