Personally, I start in 1890 most often because it has the most territories to conquer without needing to rely too heavily on minor nation RNG, not to mention the peacetime period usually lasts- for me, at least- into the dreadnought era, so I just use the 1890s as a way to jumpstart the nation to be ready in the next decade.
Brandenburg class in 1890s is a real beauty. And same could be said about most pre-dreadnoughts. They look nice. One of my favourites is a 1890s CL at minimum displacement while bolting in a 7 inch turret on it. It looks like a toy ship.
My feelings about starting in 1890 are similar to derweltenbauer's. I also found it interesting that Australia was counted as part of the British Empire and not it's own minor nation at that point. It got me to thinking "Maybe I could try to conquer Australia and get some territory near the Pacific that way." Just generally gives me more ideas on how to play my campaign.
Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 17 December 1933 Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China Sinking the Soviet Union’s Battlecruiser The Soviet Navy sent their one battlecruiser, the Krasnodar, a 49584 ton beast armed with ten 13” guns and four 8.8” guns with a secondary of sixty-five 3” guns, to the South China Sea. To counter her the Chinese Republic Navy deployed the battlecruiser Huizhou accompanied by the Yangjiang class gun cruiser Karamay and the Wulidian class destroyer Zhenzhong. The Chinese ships formed battle line with the Huizhou leading and sailed a converging course with the Krasnodar where each ship could use its whole broadsides. The Krasnodar hit the Huizhou first but the Huizhou began to make for hits in return. Then the Karamay came into range and her 7” guns began to hit, increasing in accuracy as the range closed until she making six to eight hits per salvo of her twelve gun broadsides. The Karamay accounted for one of the Krasnodar’s secondary guns. The Huizhou also took out a secondary gun and later got a massive hit on the 13” B turret that also destroyed the forward 8.8” turret super firing over B turret. As the range closed the 5” guns on the Huizhou came into range, and finally the 5” guns on the Zhenzhong. The Krasnodar achieved less than a dozen hits with her 13” guns, one hit with her 8.8” and a few with her 3” guns against scores of hits from the Karamay and at least thirty hits from Huizhou’s 14” guns. The Krasnodar sank from flooding taking 2044 of her 2350 man crew with her just as the Zhenzhong was approaching to fire a salvo of torpedoes into her. The Huizhou took 129 casualties. Neither of the smaller ships were targeted.
I would love to have a 1905 start, 1900 is too early for dreadnoughts and 1910 you already have second or third generation dreadnoughts. So for me I have to use the earlier one to really get the start of the dreadnoughts
Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 14 November 1933 Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China Not an Auspicious Debut Operating off the coast of Indo-China in an attempt to interdict reinforcements from the Baltic Fleet to the Pacific Area of Operations, the Hunan class heavy cruiser Chaoyong engaged in her first battle alongside the experienced destroyers Wulidian. They encountered the Soviet Navy heavy cruiser Slava Rossi, sent to replace her sister ship Admiral Makarov sunk two months earlier, accompanied by the Albatros class destroyer Amurets. Fought at dusk, the battle began with the two heavy cruisers attempting to find the range where their guns would be effect. The eight 9” guns of the Chaoyung were matched against the twelve 8.7” guns of the Slava Rossi. The Chaoyung’s fire control was plagued by technical issues, and the ship was forced to maneuver to avoid torpedoes from the Amurets and the Slava Rossi. These issues allowed the Slava Rossi go gain penetrating hits on the Chaoyung’s fore and aft sections, causing flooding. With his ship now endangerd, the Tiong-hāu ordered the withdrawal from battle. Eventually he was able to break away from the enemy. Losses were 90 officers and ratings aboard the Chaoyung with another 24 aboard the Wulidian. Losses on the Soviet ships have been reported to be 25 officers and ratings.
Honestly I just find 1890s Pre-Dreadnoughts just much more interesting. If you're having trouble hitting stuff in that era stop sitting at max range and close in. You aren't meant to sit back at maximum effective range in the pre-dreadnought era, as there was both poor fire control and armor was ahead of gun penetration during that period.
Sure, but even at less than a km they couldn’t hit the white cliffs of Dover 😂 (and they are *so slow* to get to effective range). Just not a fun period to play for me sadly.
When it comes to Penning armor, are you taking into account the angle of ship you're firing at? The angle of the ship basically increases the thickness of the armor.
Yes, but I don’t know quite how UAD handles angle. Your pen exceeding the target armour should be seen as the *minimum* as it assumes optimal conditions, so more pen is highly recommended
Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 24 April 1934 Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China Fleet ordered to Formosa The available ships of the Chinese Republic Navy have been ordered to cover the liberation of the Island of Formosa.
I find in 1890 I roll the dice and sometimes it just never hits and other times I win battles I should never win. but I also get rather bored since it seems to devolve into every country death warring for the first 15 years or so
Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 12 April 1934 Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China Peace Offer Desperate Ploy to Save the Sevastopol The Russian government has once again asked for a peace conference just as the Pobeda class Battleship Sevastopol is attempted to cross the Sea of Japan. The Xuegong class battleship Zhaohui where a strong escort of the Hunan class heavy cruiser Shandong, the Xinxiang class light cruiser Zunyi, the Yangjiang gun cruiser, and the four Wulidian class destroyers Zhendong, Zhennan, Bijin and Wulidian herself were sent to engaged the Sevastopol. The 32 knot Sevastopol could not refuse engagement with the lighter ships of the Chinese task force, and thus focused her fire on them hoping to drive them into retreat so she could break free of the 23 knot battleship Zhaohui. So the Sevastopol kept her broadsides open to pick off the cruisers and destroyers of the Chinese Republic Navy, and in turn drove them off until only the Bijin and Wulidian were left, though each ship was able to put a measure of damage on the Sevastopol. All the while the fire of the Zhaohui was falling on the Sevastopol, causing increasing damage. Just as the Wulidian came into range to launch her torpedoes the Sevastopol was beginning to tear apart, and being forced to maneuver to avoid the Wulidian’s launch strained the ship even more as the Bijin came up and launched her torpedoes. These struck home just as the Sevastopol cracked in two. The Kapitan of the Sevastopol, seeing his ship was lost, ordered it abandoned in time to save all by 716 of his 1990 man crew. In total Chinese losses were 110 officers and ratings killed or seriously wounded, the largest amount of these from the Zunyi.
Question for everyone: Has anyone found that Naval Invasions don't seem to work? I tried to invade Malta, which required 68000 tons, with 300 000 tons, twice. In 1.2.9, this would have been a sure thing. No such luck in 1.3. Anyone else get anything like this?
@Hastur, the King in Yellow yes but definitely harder to pull off and if you don't already have a nearby supply port you cannot succeed like at all (Japan cannot conquer the med, Germany cannot conquer Asia for example [unless you get extremely lucky]).
So let me get this straight. If you make choices that increase unrest but don't damage your naval prestige you can get rid of un-useful parties like the Communists or Nationalists, and when the Centrists are in power you make choices that decrease unrest even at the expense of your naval prestige? And never ever run over budget ?
Personally, I start in 1890 most often because it has the most territories to conquer without needing to rely too heavily on minor nation RNG, not to mention the peacetime period usually lasts- for me, at least- into the dreadnought era, so I just use the 1890s as a way to jumpstart the nation to be ready in the next decade.
Same. It also gives me more immersion and more control on my technology.
Brandenburg class in 1890s is a real beauty. And same could be said about most pre-dreadnoughts. They look nice. One of my favourites is a 1890s CL at minimum displacement while bolting in a 7 inch turret on it. It looks like a toy ship.
My feelings about starting in 1890 are similar to derweltenbauer's. I also found it interesting that Australia was counted as part of the British Empire and not it's own minor nation at that point. It got me to thinking "Maybe I could try to conquer Australia and get some territory near the Pacific that way." Just generally gives me more ideas on how to play my campaign.
‘The best torpedo is an unnecessary torpedo’-
Sun Tzu (probably)
1890 - go to cherry pip spitting range and arm your BBs with torpedoes
Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 17 December 1933
Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China
Sinking the Soviet Union’s Battlecruiser
The Soviet Navy sent their one battlecruiser, the Krasnodar, a 49584 ton beast armed with ten 13” guns and four 8.8” guns with a secondary of sixty-five 3” guns, to the South China Sea. To counter her the Chinese Republic Navy deployed the battlecruiser Huizhou accompanied by the Yangjiang class gun cruiser Karamay and the Wulidian class destroyer Zhenzhong.
The Chinese ships formed battle line with the Huizhou leading and sailed a converging course with the Krasnodar where each ship could use its whole broadsides. The Krasnodar hit the Huizhou first but the Huizhou began to make for hits in return. Then the Karamay came into range and her 7” guns began to hit, increasing in accuracy as the range closed until she making six to eight hits per salvo of her twelve gun broadsides.
The Karamay accounted for one of the Krasnodar’s secondary guns. The Huizhou also took out a secondary gun and later got a massive hit on the 13” B turret that also destroyed the forward 8.8” turret super firing over B turret. As the range closed the 5” guns on the Huizhou came into range, and finally the 5” guns on the Zhenzhong. The Krasnodar achieved less than a dozen hits with her 13” guns, one hit with her 8.8” and a few with her 3” guns against scores of hits from the Karamay and at least thirty hits from Huizhou’s 14” guns.
The Krasnodar sank from flooding taking 2044 of her 2350 man crew with her just as the Zhenzhong was approaching to fire a salvo of torpedoes into her. The Huizhou took 129 casualties. Neither of the smaller ships were targeted.
I would love to have a 1905 start, 1900 is too early for dreadnoughts and 1910 you already have second or third generation dreadnoughts.
So for me I have to use the earlier one to really get the start of the dreadnoughts
This is why i like multiple rear arck guns
+152% means a total of 252% so you need closer to triple
Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 14 November 1933
Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China
Not an Auspicious Debut
Operating off the coast of Indo-China in an attempt to interdict reinforcements from the Baltic Fleet to the Pacific Area of Operations, the Hunan class heavy cruiser Chaoyong engaged in her first battle alongside the experienced destroyers Wulidian. They encountered the Soviet Navy heavy cruiser Slava Rossi, sent to replace her sister ship Admiral Makarov sunk two months earlier, accompanied by the Albatros class destroyer Amurets.
Fought at dusk, the battle began with the two heavy cruisers attempting to find the range where their guns would be effect. The eight 9” guns of the Chaoyung were matched against the twelve 8.7” guns of the Slava Rossi. The Chaoyung’s fire control was plagued by technical issues, and the ship was forced to maneuver to avoid torpedoes from the Amurets and the Slava Rossi. These issues allowed the Slava Rossi go gain penetrating hits on the Chaoyung’s fore and aft sections, causing flooding. With his ship now endangerd, the Tiong-hāu ordered the withdrawal from battle. Eventually he was able to break away from the enemy.
Losses were 90 officers and ratings aboard the Chaoyung with another 24 aboard the Wulidian. Losses on the Soviet ships have been reported to be 25 officers and ratings.
the technical term is 'regression bug' ;)
I've noticed the return of the penetration issue as well, rather disappointing considering it was working reasonably well before 1.3.
New York class are my fav
Honestly I just find 1890s Pre-Dreadnoughts just much more interesting. If you're having trouble hitting stuff in that era stop sitting at max range and close in. You aren't meant to sit back at maximum effective range in the pre-dreadnought era, as there was both poor fire control and armor was ahead of gun penetration during that period.
Sure, but even at less than a km they couldn’t hit the white cliffs of Dover 😂 (and they are *so slow* to get to effective range). Just not a fun period to play for me sadly.
@@BrotherMunro Fair enough. It has been a while since I've played, so they might have made some changes to accuracy.
When it comes to Penning armor, are you taking into account the angle of ship you're firing at? The angle of the ship basically increases the thickness of the armor.
Yes, but I don’t know quite how UAD handles angle. Your pen exceeding the target armour should be seen as the *minimum* as it assumes optimal conditions, so more pen is highly recommended
Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 24 April 1934
Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China
Fleet ordered to Formosa
The available ships of the Chinese Republic Navy have been ordered to cover the liberation of the Island of Formosa.
I find in 1890 I roll the dice and sometimes it just never hits and other times I win battles I should never win. but I also get rather bored since it seems to devolve into every country death warring for the first 15 years or so
Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 12 April 1934
Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China
Peace Offer Desperate Ploy to Save the Sevastopol
The Russian government has once again asked for a peace conference just as the Pobeda class Battleship Sevastopol is attempted to cross the Sea of Japan. The Xuegong class battleship Zhaohui where a strong escort of the Hunan class heavy cruiser Shandong, the Xinxiang class light cruiser Zunyi, the Yangjiang gun cruiser, and the four Wulidian class destroyers Zhendong, Zhennan, Bijin and Wulidian herself were sent to engaged the Sevastopol.
The 32 knot Sevastopol could not refuse engagement with the lighter ships of the Chinese task force, and thus focused her fire on them hoping to drive them into retreat so she could break free of the 23 knot battleship Zhaohui. So the Sevastopol kept her broadsides open to pick off the cruisers and destroyers of the Chinese Republic Navy, and in turn drove them off until only the Bijin and Wulidian were left, though each ship was able to put a measure of damage on the Sevastopol.
All the while the fire of the Zhaohui was falling on the Sevastopol, causing increasing damage. Just as the Wulidian came into range to launch her torpedoes the Sevastopol was beginning to tear apart, and being forced to maneuver to avoid the Wulidian’s launch strained the ship even more as the Bijin came up and launched her torpedoes. These struck home just as the Sevastopol cracked in two. The Kapitan of the Sevastopol, seeing his ship was lost, ordered it abandoned in time to save all by 716 of his 1990 man crew. In total Chinese losses were 110 officers and ratings killed or seriously wounded, the largest amount of these from the Zunyi.
voice recording audio clipping like crazy in this episode. Watch out for that.
disregard this, just got to your next episode! cheers!
Question for everyone: Has anyone found that Naval Invasions don't seem to work? I tried to invade Malta, which required 68000 tons, with 300 000 tons, twice. In 1.2.9, this would have been a sure thing. No such luck in 1.3. Anyone else get anything like this?
Not had a naval invasion work yet in 1.3
... Well, shit.
Have to triple invade some provinces.
@@ywe3 So it has worked for you?
@Hastur, the King in Yellow yes but definitely harder to pull off and if you don't already have a nearby supply port you cannot succeed like at all (Japan cannot conquer the med, Germany cannot conquer Asia for example [unless you get extremely lucky]).
Hooray, no subs!
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If you had blamed it on 1.3.1, we would’ve believed you.
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So let me get this straight. If you make choices that increase unrest but don't damage your naval prestige you can get rid of un-useful parties like the Communists or Nationalists, and when the Centrists are in power you make choices that decrease unrest even at the expense of your naval prestige? And never ever run over budget ?
Yes, though it’s hard to do (and unrest is bad so you usually don’t want to increase it)
@@BrotherMunro Well I'd plan to up the unrest before the election.