Ancient Precision Vases, Out-of-Place Artifacts: Connecting the Dots! Full UnchartedX Presentation
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- Ancient technology, precision stone vases, and other seemingly out-of-place artifacts, what is the connection between them? This is the topic I addressed in my presentation given earlier this year at the Cosmic Summit, and I wanted to share it with you all.
A little different to my normal produced content, this presentation will cover some ground and we get into a number of topics, tubular drills, vases scan project update, the tale of two industries, and more.
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Links to videos and articles discussed:
Ancient High Tech, Part 1 Machining: • Evidence for Ancient H...
Ancient High Tech, Part 2 Precision: • Precision! - Evidence ...
Ancient High Tech, Part 3 Logistics: • Quarrying and Moving A...
Ancient Precision, confirmed! (Vases): • Astonishing Results! M...
Tube Drills and Overcuts at Luxor and Karnak: • MASSIVE Tube Drills, O...
Huge Block extracted from Aswan Quarry: • The Aswan Quarry - Was...
Changing the Game with Ancient Precision (vases): • Scanning a Predynastic...
1200 ton Obelisk at Aswan: • The 1100 ton Unfinishe...
Smoking Gun Evidence for Ancient Machining: • Smoking Gun Evidence f...
Colossal Statues of Ancient Egypt: • Lost Ancient Technolog...
Ancient Egyptian Stone Cutting: • The Mystery of Ancient...
Most Precise Ancient Egyptian Object: • The MOST precisely mad...
Erosion on Ancient Megaliths: • How Old Are These MEGA...
Mark Qvist article on Ancient Vases: unsigned.io/ar...
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I took my daughter to the British Museum yesterday to see some of these stone vases and symmetrical stone statue faces. We both watch your channel and she wrote a school dissertation on ancient lost technology, the teacher was fascinated and wasn't aware of any of this stuff, he gave her an A. We are big fans of your channel.
Hey ben, thank you for everything you do. From the bottom of my soul.
Also i really appreciate the soundboard.
@@SzTz100 That's beautiful.
The truth is, those artifacts are anything but out-of-place.
thank you kindly for all you do good sir!
A quick 2 and a half hour video before bed…thanks Ben.😊
I knew before i saw your insignia that you were a fellow Brit as i thought that man is on BST going to bed before midnight.😂
And I have to get up early in the morning.
🤭 blissful time..✨🌛
@@reefsroost696 i have to get up when i can be arsed.
@@stephenbrewins3689 I'm a fellow Brit, but a big fan of Bukowski who advised "Never Get Out of Bed Before Noon" Seeing as he was a postman til he was 50 and became an acclaimed poet and alcoholic, he obviously knows what he's talking about 😂
The Barabar caves are unbelievable, I saw the documentary.
I think in a few years time we will look back at this summary from Ben as one of the first videos that opened our eyes. I sincerely hope that he will get the credit he deserves for the work he is doing. Well done!
Ben should go to a university and discuss with a real expert in the field. UA-camr Night Scarab shows why this channel is mostly pseudo-science.
@@Scolecitewhat expert are you talking about? Are you talking about, Someone who is educated in archeology and been told this is the story and excepted that explanation, and will fight tooth and nail for that to be the story,or an educated person that's an expert in engineering, stonemasonry, maybe even jet engine engineering?An expert in precision. Someone trying to find out how these things were actually done,and not excepting the said story. Experts that actually know something about thier particular subjects should be listened to,possibly! 🏴🤔🪨🇬🇧
@@charlesstewart9246 Just these kinds of people have already looked at these allegations and found them to be complete BS... It is entertaining but bears no relation to reality
LOL, I just re-watched an old episode to fulfill my craving for ancient precision and this one is waiting for me 34min old. THX Ben!
Netflix tonight? Nawwh I've got a real HANKERIN' for some ancient precision. 🧐
So basically you’ve already seen everything seeing as all Uncharted does is repackage old content and make it look new. It’s whack
@@fullsendcirca9255 Spot on. I studied a bit of history and science 10 years ago. But that's enough isn't it. I mean it's not like it's going to change or develop. I guess I could call myself an expert now... In like.. Literally everything.
@@737simviator Not sure what Konark Temple has to do with my comment? I was being sarcastic, but you know everyone on the internet interprets literally.
The fact that we have the H blocks and the vases on opposite sides of the world speaks volumes we dont just have cultures that share similarities in esoteric circles but we have shared technologies this story is crying out to be told. As always great work Ben.
Also the H symbolism at Gobekli Tepe.
What are "H" shaped blocks evidence for ? And who do you make the leap of linking a vase to an H block thousands of miles (and thousand of years) away ?
I'm listening to this while making aerospace parts on a Makino 4 axis horizontal mill and you (and the ancient machinists) never cease to blow my mind. Keep up the great work.
SNAKES 🐍
SNAKES!
The technical ability to even measure the fine tolerances of the vessels, for the most part, has only been developed within my lifetime. Prior to this, no one _could have known_ they were machined with such precision.
just think, this was before Euclid; 300 BCE, mind-blowing @ the 21st century layer of humanity...
But they're not that precise, look at the locations and shapes of the lugs on the pots.
@@naturesoundsnz Oh, so they _could have_ been made by hand with archaic tools? Is that what you're saying? 🤯
@@naturesoundsnzcause the lugs couldn't be made the same way as the mass of the vases so they were probably done by hand after the main body of the vase was made. Just my thought. If you tuned a wooden vase and wanted handles you could just leave extra material where the handles will be and carve them after. Same idea.
They have had micrometers and calipers around for centuries, as laser equipment became more compact everybody is using them. Before that a transit or a level (a water filled glass tube with air bubble...
So happy that you connected with the French team scanning the Barabar caves!!
Yeah, This is super cool
i really loved the end section about the sound/acoustics. that was fascinating and confounding like why the weird acoustics? is it a cool coincidence of the specific geometry or purposeful? and why?
this is the epic moment we who disagreed with mainstream historians needed!
Agreed those caves are insane
The beauty of the caverns is that the Indian culture has not attached their national identity to the work done there. It allows proper unbiased scientific analysis and consequent discussion. It was quite a breathtaking documentary!
Ben, I’ve been following your work, as well as Russ and Kyle, Graham H., Randall C. Etc… for years now, you feel like family though we’ve never met, this is the content that currently has the ability to change the world, thanks for all you have done, and shared, when I can donate to the cause in a meaningful way, I will, but only because you and those in “the crowd” have given me the inspiration to do so, you guys mean more to “us” than you could possibly imagine, truly spectacular work you do. Keep it up. Peace from Oregon USA.
From London UK, I'm glad you left that comment and Ben saw it, you speak for a lot of people, peace 🏴
52:00 This is one of the best points why there are no metal tools or huge cargo ships(used for carrying high tonnage blocks over Nile) found. Everything useful after it got depreciated it would be recycled into something else, no one would leave precious materials to waste. And for the same reason the only tools that archaeologists are able to find are bunch of copper saws, chisels and flints, because they where of a lesser values and no one would care to recover them if they got lost. And why are there only diorite vases found? Because they can't be recycled and can be reused just as they are.
Same case can be made for all ancient monuments that got destroyed by earth quakes or purposefully dismantled for other project. For example in Hagia Sophia there are 140 monolithic columns which were brought from different places of the world. There are like 104 columns taken from Temple of Artemis in Ephesus and from Egypt as well. There are 8 huge columns taken from Temple Jupiter in Baalbek. In Hagia Sophia some of these blocks and columns are probably 5 000 years or older, despite Hagia Sophia being fully complete fairly recently in 547 AD.
you guys will literally go down in history
No point. Only thing that survives time is a flower pot.
@@archaicrevivalsYTchannel yeah, but a cool one
As conmen that were full of shit.
@@erichamilton8952 thank you WEF clownbot
@@MrSchpeiy GO DOWN is the right word
Just hunters and gatherers who chills with the 3D CNC milling machines running away from their wives and children on sunday... Mystery solved.
We need to remember to thank those ancient people, taming the first cnc machines from the wild.
Lmao
Yes, what better way to say "We were here. Now you do it."
This is the evidence that smacks history sideways. The precision, the maths, it's all written in the product. When only now with lasers and computers can we comprehend the details and still have no idea how they did it, is very telling.
Beyond me why they require any where near these levels of precision for artifact's shown. My assumption would have to be that the artifacts we are looking at are indeed what they appear to be, ordinary vases, boxes, and so on, the precision was developed for machines that we don't have examples of, possible exception for that "impeller" like object in Egypt museum. So the precision of vases was just because they could, or once set up for it, automatically would be that precise, OR a message to the future...to *us.*
They must have had metallic machines to make these things and to drive the necessity for these tolerances but the metal components were scavenged, melted down and reused or rusted/decayed away or whatever.
if this compelling evidence, the math, the high tech scans cannot be incorrect.
That's what I suppose too, they must have had metallurgy technology, machines made of metal. It seems to me that this ancient civilization must have existed a very long time ago, long enough for their metallic objects to have decayed, been buried under hundred of meters of dirt or more. How long ago would that be? Hundreds of thousand of years, maybe? A few million years could be possible too. What metals could last that long?
@@r2out Metals are too valuable to be left around, they wouldn't last centuries of repurposing. That's why we don't find many megalithic "rock clips" even while the notches in the rocks for that purpose are common.
Even creating cast iron was recent in current timeline, steels and so on would be incredibly valuable even after being reworked into weapons or whatever, and losing much of their original properties.
@r2out , this needs to be top comment. So we can continue to brain storm of where the machines are.
Thanks for another great video, Ben! Your methods of explaining things through a scientific lens are superb and I hope to make it out on a trip to Egypt one day. Please keep up the stellar work.
I work with the most advanced DMG Mori CNC machines daily. You are absolutely correct and I am really happy you are doing this work! Thanks for all your content
You should work with a museum for a bit, you can volunteer, and learn a lot from the local historian or archeologist.
@@monopalle5768 I have. The fact remains, they cannot explain the tool marks and have no background in material science. They dont know what they are talking about and dont have answers when pressed.
To a hammer everything looks like a nail
This is utterly mine blowing rock solid analysis, and has mind blowing implications. Clearly artifacts of an ancient civilisation with untold powers
pun intended? ;)
As an engineer my self I find this fascinating and would like to see what more can be learned from these sites. Thank you and your associates for sharing this with the public. The measurements taken from the various artefacts astonishes me.
One of your best Ben imho. How some people can still cling to the idea that human achievement is at its zenith today is just mind-boggling: evidence to the contrary is literally everywhere. Thank you and the other open-minded researchers who are revealing to us our true history.
It is literally nowhere.. All we have is pile of rocks , generally in the simplest possible shape to build (aka pyramid)... This is evidence of "primitive" and not of "advanced"
Cosmic Summit 24' was solid. Another captivating vid here. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Blows my mind as an Engineer myself how these were made🤯
This is probably the most interesting content on UA-cam
Ben I hope you see this and I am a big fan. I am a life time stone Mason that has worked with all variety of stones, and my work is to form the material into a finished product in any method, cut, form and polished.
I can say without a shred of doubt that to craft the high precision products such as the vases, even with the most current convention equipment available to my profession, it is impossible to execute that level of precision. The methods at my disposal such as all manners of diamond tipped power tools , hand tools as well as giant water saws and CNC water jet systems we have in the shops for example.
Granite or basalt is a top toughness stone, but in the end it is just stone, my meaning being it is not a material with consistency. It is tough as heck, but the more you work it down to the degree of thickness and precision in these artifacts , the rate of flaw and breakage increase exponentially resulting in chips cracks or just straight up breaking .⅛ thickness granite consistent throughout is mind blowingly impossible. I think you need to have some content demonstrating just how incredibly difficult it is to work with hard stone in current day for the laymen. Even with my peers in other trades they have no idea how we work the material, much less your audience that havent done any tool work of any kind.
I want to give you the confidence to say that even with all our conventional technology now, these kinds of achievement in the distant past are not achievable today , unless we use something that is not available to the most cutting edge stkne Masons today. Love your work, looking forward to how far your work will go, thank you!
These mindblowing findings must be published in any major scientific papers. Thank you so much for your work!
They have been refuted multiple times. This is mind-blowing fantasy and belongs only in the entertainment section
Hey Ben, that diorite statue of "Ramses" (yeah, right) isn't just astonishing in its finish. It's spot on anatomically. Just jaw-dropping attention to detail, with whatever tools the artificers were using. I'm not using the term craftsman, because this work is more engineering than craft, so artifice is kind of a halfway house.
I am convinced the precision builders of the ancients were autistic. That's why many of the statues are perfect humanoids rather than imperfect humans (think Greek marble statues).
I also think the diorite statue is definitely not Rameses.
More likely that statue is of an Atlantean ruler 😊
Man.. should I write my name on the statue of liberty? I'd love for archeologist to claim I built that.. I want my fake credit too 😢
Just cross out ramsays name and put yours@@michaelmurray6577
Is it just me...but are the eyes bigger than the mouth... they had alien eyes.. .maybe the legends are true .
Craftsmanship is amazing .
When that beat starts and then Ben speaks on the mic 🎶 🔥
I'd sure enjoy going to a lumber yard 10,000 years back. The tools would be awesome.
It’s simple, the Egyptians came along found all of this, got blown away, and tried to copy the amazing civilization.
Nah! Dude, aliens
Nope, the amazing civilization that came before Egyptians also came along, found all of this, got blown away, and tried to copy the amazing pre-pre-Egyptian civilization.
End of discussion. Game and match
@@dominiccolletti just watch SG1 it's all based on real events
@MrPipol-nm3cd nope again. Those vases are machined. They possess high precision that none of the other artifacts that the dynastic Egyptians made. What, you not paying attention? 🙈🙉🙊
ilove your channel. you stay clear of the speculative alien architect stuff and stick purely to examining plain evidence, and you prove your case beyond any doubt.
you know whats happening in congress right now right? 40 intelligence officers are testifying to alien reverse engineering programs that have been active for 70 years, represented by 18 attorneys. Staying away from alien stuff doesn't make you intelligent.
Exactly it's aliens, glad you said it.
I have not seen any doubt expressed by anyone here
No one seems to check even the most basic stuff
Just one example: what is the evidence for the provenance of the scanned vases ?
ure asking me. im not op. i know its been made availible in documents somewhere a while ago, as well as alluded to several times in videos. but i dont have the original documents, no.
@@sebastianbergstl4423 "alluded to" is not quite enough.. This should have been literally the first question (doubt) to be put forth.
Just because someone claims that he has an ancient Egyptian vase does not make it so. Provenance has to be traced "without a doubt" as you put it.
What a time to be alive, all these mysteries slowly revealing themselves, as we get more advanced ourselves.
the historic layers seemingly are being exposed, some scholars/historians disregard physical evidence or logic.
All this knowhow why do humans keep killing each other, that may be a far greater accomplishment to crack this nut.
What is slowly being revealed is a new form of intellectual scam. Of course we already knew that people will believe most anything
Excellent presentation Ben, you are getting very good at getting your point across clearly and concisely ! This shows that it is clearly time to re-examine some of the things that people just take for granted and today's technology can certainly be used to examine more of these items and sites and hopefully get a better understanding of that part of history !
One of the things that really bothers me about those core drill (tube drill) holes is just how fast the tool tip cut through the granite, I have done quite a lot of core drilling in various types of masonry, concrete and stone and the main thing that slows down progress is the dust ! If you don't get the dust out of the hole it will jam the drill and stop it from turning, you have to get masses of dust out at a constant rate or you need to stop frequently and clear the hole. We use high RPM to generate air movement and the core drills have special cutaways in the body to channel air and dust upwards out of the hole, this doesn't work if the RPM is low. Carbide tips on the core drills get hot too and the bodies of some core drills can be impregnated with diamond grit to produce clearance and allow air movement but trying to move 0.1 of an inch per minute through granite requires regular clearing of the dust, those core samples show a continuous path from top to bottom !
The cutting edge is also incredibly thin and the tool tapers becoming thicker towards its base which is why the core samples are tapered but that means the spiral groove that can be seen isn't from the cutting edge, it is from the tapered inside of the cutter, you would expect the core drill to wear and polish the surface of the core plugs making it progressively more smooth if it was abrading the core sample to create the taper..
Diamonds only abrade stone, carbide is one of the hardest metals we can produce and is used in many tools for cutting hard metals and stone but you can't cut stone fast like softer materials because it will chip and the broken chips will jam the cutter, you need the dust to be fine so you can extract it or flush it out with air or water. The only way to produce these results that I know of would be to use water-jet cutting techniques ! This would produce the very thin cutting edge and clear the waste quickly, it would also be able to match that 0.1 inch per minute with fairly low RPM and nozzles on the inside of the core cutter could produce the spiral grooves on the tapered core plug in the process of creating clearance !
I'm pretty sure the copper tube and bow technique would get slower and slower as the hole got deeper because the friction would increase and the copper would wear faster than the stone !
With 42 million views for the channel on YT alone, in July 2024. Ben is a real blessing, inspiration and a catalyst for us to discover the mysteries of our past. Kudos and thanks Ben!
what amazes me more about this great presentation with solid arguments for machining due to mathematics via precision, symmetry etc. is the fact that anyone (archaeologist or not) after listening to this work can still believe this was done with just primitive tools and labor.
@@PyrophosphoricAcid notice how he never presented counter points or experiments? He scoffs at a vague notion of it. Many people have debunked him and he hides it from his fans.
@@_MikeJon_ sure man whatever you say. ... hahahaha
@@_MikeJon_you are talking about the ones who say everything was done with copper and chisel and that the pyramids were tombs? The same people who say that civilization started about 7000 years ago although it's already known that homo sapiens was walking on this planet at least 300.000 years if not earlier. So according to them homo sapiens was runing around with bows and lived in tents or caves for at least 293.000 years before he started to build buildings etc 😂😂😂😂
I found it interesting here at the end of the video... It's the same stuff my history teacher, many many years ago, told us, her speculations back then, about the constructions in Egypt. She traveled every year to Egypt, and really looked into things.. Not like an ordinary turist. She was not a scientist or anything, just very curios. She talked to us about Petri and his wife, and encouraged us to read their work.
I am very greaful to her for making me interesting of different stuff, and be able to question a little, for example, the official time line.
I haven't been to Egypt so often, I am not a yt:er, so not the same possibilities to travel. But I do have seen many amazing things over there. And I do believe the ancient egyptians inherited, probably, everything. Constructions, pyramids, statues, stone boxes, whatsoever. I have also thought that they began to "dress" like the statues... I would go one step further, they also inherited the hieroglyphs. Some of the hieroglyphs are surely machine made. They are so exact.
And about the Sahara, there are "maps" that, after some research don't know how much, show where ancient rivers flowed. Also were some big lakes once were. I don't know how accurate these maps are, but..
Well, everything costs money.
Goddamn dude. I get so pumped over your videos. They're done so well with such an open mind and with tons of hard earned information. Ordered a shirt to finally give you some money. Shit is fantastic.
This was absolutely incredible. Multiple things that were brand new to me. Wow!
This subject matter is hugely important and incredibly fascinating! Thank you Ben, you’re on the bleeding edge of what we know about our past and how it’s been suppressed for far too long!
Excellent Ben.
This is a great vid to share with anyone to see the whole picture of what you and your channel is about.
Dear Ben-I want to thank you so much,-for enlightening me on Egypt and other Countries,--all those incredible workmanship on those Vases.Statues boxes,etc-is truly stunning !!--your program,to me,is like going to my own private University,-where I am shown the absolute truth,at last !!--for me,it is truly ''NIRVANA"--just fantastic Ben !!!
Loved it all Ben, thanks so much Brother! Deeply lit up by the possibility of what's under the Sahara and the enormity of discovery that's sitting there waiting for us! How can we honestly, seriously get started exploring this?!
Ben I love your videos so much! ( I also loooove the spot the camera is positioned in this video, we can see you so much better in this perspective! please keep it! ) ..much love and respect for your work!
cheers. I mostly dont like to be in front of the camera but it worked for this one, would have been a bit dead if it was just slides
@@UnchartedX ..don't forget YOU are the reason we are all so engaged with your work. you make these topics so great and powerful. we wanna see your face! :)
I like this style - what can be done or explored in the future is inspiring
Your videos keep getting better and better! Enlightening and inspiring to watch and I can’t stop thinking about the technology that was used across the ancient world.
what's amazing, the similarities globally, the communication network , the gigantic structures, the engineering math, and the fine-art artifacts... completely baffling
Fantastic work Ben. I was glued to my seat the entire time. Well presented with solid potentialities based on observations and data. I very much enjoy your work and your attention to detail.
You definitely covered all the bases. I never heard an argument defending the historical narrative other than "because we said so". All I have been exposed to is "we know". How? It doesn't matter, don't ask. Historians said that's how it happened, no thinking applied. The thing is, history isn't a science in our understanding of it, in ancient times science was simply knowledge. By today's standards, science is something that can be empirically proven. Nothing in history can be proven, ergo, it isn't a science, and that's what I have been told in school. I personally think historians are jealous of other branches of general knowledge that call themselves science, like math, physics, chemistry, biology, etc. When I hear someone call Hancock a pseudoscientist, I am seriously entertained, because history is not a science. On the other hand, no search for knowledge can be called pseudo because we wouldn't have any knowledge if this is the case.
I think the saying appropriate here is hit the nail on the head
Archaeologists are not trained in any of these topics so they are unqualified to talk about it.
Also people love to believe in whatever they are told by authorities without asking questions. Havent you seen tjis in the past yeats its exactly the same.
@@thatcherfreemanlol!
Yeah, that zawarhe guy is a crook. He needs to be looked at by authorities.
Yeah, that zawarhe guy is a crook. He needs to be looked at by authorities.
Extremely important and well executed work! UnchartedX is truly one of the best history channels out there.
my brain hurts after this much information
Thank you for mentioning BARABAR and the relentless stomping forward.
Ben thank you for the Presentation, once again a Great Video. This will definitly forworded to my colleges
SUPER GRATEFUL FOR THIS VIDEO! IS THE ONE I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR!
Love your work man! Really important stuff to be investigating!
Love from Catalonia!
So stoked to see a new video. And 2.5 hours! Looking forward to it! Thanks!
Love it!! Thanks Ben
Thanks, Ben. You’ve changed my outlook on life forever. Great work.
Lets go Ben! Just donated to the twitch stream two days ago complimenting the original vase videos and this pops up on my youtube like a timely gift haha much love man.
Remarkable presentation. Each idea is clearly explained, well documented. Superbe quality, as usual!
Thanks for your work! Amazing as usual.
1:57:10
The sound clip followed by Ben’s brilliant point made me lol 😊
Babe babe wake up unchartedx just dropped a new video
Watched your programmes with interest. Main stream historians have many questions to answer. Keep up the good work.
Your and your team's work will eventually revolutionize our understanding of pre-dynastic Egypt. I hope you realize this, Ben. As Kuhn spelled out in his "Structure of Scientific Revolutions,", it will be resisted by Academe until the evidence is fully verified and vetted-which it will be-that it forces Academic Egyptology (and Archaeology in general) into the new, emerging Paradigm. The Paradigm shift is occurring on many levels simultaneously, in just about every vector of contemporary science. You now have a place in history, worthy of a Nobel. That may not come in your lifetime, but what will (God willing) come in your life time is a following far larger than a half-million.
information is powerful, and the more shared, the better,,, this is an excellent but logical step of knowledge being shared passionately by this host, can't hide evidence that math and advance technology proves something is amiss when the reply from mainstream historians is subjective and mindset rigid.
@@dennisfong7742 Totally agree. I've been following and sharing Ben's work since I first saw it, IDK, four going on five years ago, I think. I'm also tracking what's going on in physics (especially astrophysics-the JWST is revealing exactly what I expected), UFO/UAP disclosure, psychedelic (especially DMT) research, and 'deep politics' (as defined by my very old friend, Peter Dale Scott). The paradigm shift isn't just a recent woo woo thing; it's been building for decades. Over half a century ago (1970), one of the genuses of the previous century, (Anthropologist, Biologist, Psychologist, Cyberneticist, Stanford professor) Gregory Bateson, pointed out a fundamental flaw in contemporary human epistemology [my notes in square brackets]:
"The cybernetic epistemology which I have offered you suggests the individual mind is immanent but not only in the body. It is also immanent in the pathways and messages outside the body [exactly the point you just made, @dennisfong]; and there is a larger Mind of which the individual mind is only a subsystem, both immanent in the total interconnected social system _and planetary ecology._
"Freudian psychology expanded the concept of mind inwards to include the whole communication system within the body-the autonomic, the habitual, and the vast range of unconscious process. What I am saying expands mind outwards, and both of these changes reduce the scope of the conscious self. A certain humility becomes appropriate, tempered by the dignity or joy of being part of something much larger. [This understanding is central to the emerging paradigm.]
"If you put 'God' outside and set him _vis-a-vis_ his creation and if you have the idea that you are created in his image, you will logically and naturally see yourself as outside and against the things around you. And as you arrogate all mind to yourself, you will see the world around you as mindless and therefore not entitled to moral or ethical consideration. The environment will seem to be yours to exploit. Your survival unit will be you and your folks or conspecifics against the environment of other social units, other races and the brutes and vegetables. [This explains the current. global reactionary political situation. - Unlike hydrocarbons (etc.), renewable energy resources are inherently decentralizing and democratizing, thus seen as a threat to the hierarchical economic, political, and power {literally energy} structures dominate in the West for at least the past 500 years.]
"If this is your estimate of your relation to nature and you have an advanced technology, your likelihood of survival will be that of a snowball in hell. You will die either of the toxic by-products of your own hate, or, simply, of overpopulation and overgrazing. The raw materials of the world are finite.
"If I am right, the whole of our thinking about what we are and what other people are has got to be restructured [armed with an advanced technology the epistemology of the old paradigm is dangerously flawed]. This is not funny, and I do not know how long we have to do it in. If we continue to operate on the premises that were fashionable in the pre-cybernetic era, and which were especially underlined and strengthened during the Industrial Revolution, which seemed to validate the Darwinian unit of survival, we may have twenty or thirty years before the logical _reductio ad absurdum_ of our old positions destroys us. Nobody knows how long we have, under the present system, before some disaster strikes us, more serious than the destruction of any group of nations.
"The most important task today is to learn to think in the new way. … That step, the step to realizing-to making habitual-this new way of thinking so that one naturally thinks that way when one reaches for a glass of water or cuts down a tree-that step is not an easy one.
"And, quite seriously, I suggest to you that *_we should trust no policy decisions which emanate from persons who do not yet have that habit."_*
The Nobel Prize is not worthy of this work. It is a worthless accreditation like knighthoods they often give to paedophiles and other criminal in the UK. There may be some other reason other than Egyptologists looking for new jobs why this work is being disregarded. But why do we need the “great and the good” or a news presenters to announce all this?
As I have mentioned before on this channel, all the Ancient Aliens BS is to taint out of place technology with nonsense.
Just Amazing! Thanks Ben excellent video 👍!
Hey Ben, You mention at 1:30:08 that no tubes have ever been found, but Hölscher mentions the presence of, “the end of a bronze drill which had broken off deep in the boring”
Arnold, Dieter. Building in Egypt: Pharaonic Stone Masonry. Oxford Univ. Press, 1991. p. 286.
We also have plenty examples of copper and abrasives residue being observed in ancient drill holes and saw marks. And scientific analysis of a drill hole also detected the presence of copper as well as abrasives like quartz sand and corundum.
I thought you'd like to know this.
I think we are closer to understanding drill holes more than ever.
regards
Ollie
INCREDIBLE WORK KEEP IT UP YOU WILL BE REMEMBERED BY HISTORY
Love this content!!!
well done, as always
Kudos on your work. It is truly amazing.
I would like to make a suggestion.
Can you make 3d copies of the first vase available for procurement? Using the exact details of the vessel would make a lovely merchandise and further intrigue audience to your very interesting topic.
I for one would be getting one or more for myself!
Great idea...
Love the format where you speak to topic and several illustrative images or stills to review whilst you are talking. Fascinating subjects so well presented. 💕✨
This is how ancient Egypt needs to be analysed, based on the surviving physical examples not based entirely on weak historical hypothesis that contract and make no sense on many levels.
This reminds me of Sergeant Bilko (the movie)
As he watches a new recruit do karate Bilko says
"THIS is what they should teach in the army"
and the recruit answers
"But they DO"
Amazing presentation! Keep up the good work on this topic
Ben, you make a very strong case overall for contextual gaps in our understanding of the ancient tech that made these precision artifacts. Fascinating!
Thank you so much, Ben. Amazing as usual. ✌️
Awesome video! As feedback, you should explain a little more what the diagrams means specifically on the picture below and to the left between 11 and 13 minutes into the video. In other words the diagrams that describe the microscopic analyzes of the bracelet found in Turkey! Keep up the good work! :)
If someone made one bracelet-model with handtools and the same bracelet-model with machining and such, maybe further analyzes could compare the microscopic striations and other aspects found between the handmade and machined bracelets to the original ancient bracelet found in Turkey. In this way maybe we can have evidence to support if it really was handmade or machined to be more certain! Maybe this could somehow also be applied to the vases?
Thank you so much for your valuable work and insights, shedding further light into the deep human past!
While I might be more aggressive than you in some points, this is absolutely fantastic. 2 & a half hours of up to date REAL Egypt! Thanks a lot Ben, we all appreciate your insight and efforts 💪🏼🙏🏼
Ancient precision vases are incredible! The craftsmanship and detail are mind-blowing, especially considering the tools they had back then. It’s amazing to think about the skill and patience it took to create such perfect pieces.
WOOHOO!! Been waiting for a new presentation. Thank you Ben! We appreciate all your hard work, it's changing the name of the game!
This is quite possibly one of the best put together presentations I've ever watched, truly inspiring, keep up the fantastic work Ben we are all rooting for you pal .
You knocked it out of the park with this one. To not consider that the ancients had advanced technology is to be in complete denial. It’s unfortunate that most of the people who uphold that closed minded dogma won’t even take the time to watch this well thought out video. Much love bro ❤ you’re changing the paradigm
Thanks Ben, the experience and effort you put into these presentations is phenominal.
Eventually your contribution, as well as that of others you reference, will be acknowledged.
Glad to see it!🎉
This is great for new followers, nicely done. 👌
Excellent
Wonderful work Ben. Happy to see a new video from you in this format.
Just because the vases were made with high precision doesn't mean that they have a purpose beyond being decorative. Once the technology exists in machining tools to create very precise objects, that becomes the default, whether it is needed or not. For example, in the auto industry that I was a part of until recently, the precision on an injection molded part used as a simple piece of interior trim is going to be quite good, because the mold was produced by the same CNC that produces tooling for plastic switches and other surfaces that must be held to precise tolerances.
Ben's point was that the technology to create that precision was made out of necessity. No one would make a 3d CNC milling machine just to create micrometer-accurate forks, spoons or vases for that matter. They had some kind of more important purpose for that precision.
Christmas in July here in Italy. Thanks, Ben! Appreciate you very much.
Great video packed with information unscripted and just putting it all out there 👍👌
I have been following you for at least 3 yrs now. You have educated me and I appreciate what I have learned.
It is a crime why the archeological community has dismissed your work out of hand. And some of your Tube detractors have taken it upon themselves to try and debunk you. In their minds anyway. I don’t understand how they or anyone cant see the value you and other independent researchers bring to the table. For God sake, the evidence for this high end technology is starring us all right in the face and they just ignore it. All becuz it upsets their established time lines. Forget the age of all this for the moment. Just the fact it exists, is wonder and awe on its own merit. It can’t be denied. They don’t give it the recognition it deserves.
Hi, Ben, have you come across a channel called ClickSpring? The whole drive of the channel, over the past few years anyway, has been to try and remake the Antikythera Mechanism using tools that he could make himself that could have been used to make the originals. His lathe, in particular, is simple genius. He's not working with anything like stone, just metal and wood, but what he can achieve is incredible. My hope is, if you're not already familiar, you will get an idea of what can be done in terms of precision machining using old methods. I'm NOT saying he's doing anything approaching the level of this stonework, though!
If I had the money and time (I'm old, I've spent my money & used up my time) I'd go to India were so I'm told, stone work is done by hand. I'm told it's amazing what can be done by hand. Don't know if they cheat such as using a steel chisel or not but it would be interesting to investigate.
This is the perfect video to show people new to the topics. Thanks for making it Ben
I think Ramses admired the 'old' work as much as we do.
Not enough to keep from defacing it.
which is was they still exist today
@@bradschoeck1526 it still exist, argument rebuked
he did and owned it, because he wasn’t a bloodline Pharao just ordinary commander
Thanks for the presentation. You’re awesome, man!
One day you will venture down the Bosnian Pyramid and it will answer more questions than most discoveries. I can't believe people are just ignoring it.
Thanks Ben for the video, wish you could drop more, more often. Great stuff man
Thanks for this latest video. It gave me the opportunity to think some more about the tube drill theory and I see some possible flaws in the theory. I'm no Christopher Dunn but I have turned metal on a lathe so I have some experience. The spiral groove that is left in the Egyptian cores does suggest a machine tool was used. The reason why is it's a continuous spiral with a consistent spacing of the grooves. In order to get those uniform grooves you need a machine that has a controlled feed rate that advances the tool a set distance with every rotation of the tool. In order to cut a groove you need a tool bit that focus on a small area, I don't believe that a tube drill with an abrasive for the cutting could leave such a consistent groove. Right now the only way I could conceptualize the groove resulting from a tube drill is if the groove was left by a mechanism that advanced the tube drill.
I do not believe that the re-enactment of an ancient tube drill would leave a spiral groove. The reason why is because of all the side to side movement of the tube. On every stroke of the bow the top of the tube deflects several inches in the direction of the man pulling on the bow. All that deflection is not going to leave a spiral pattern it's going to leave a cross hatch pattern and the diameter of the tube isn't going to be consistent. Such a result would explain why the re-enactors never published pictures of their result.
one of my favorite channels, thanks for amazing work bro
Hi Ben! Apart from the difficulty of execution, I'm the only one wondering how they managed to make the handles on the vases? If I assumed a sort of lathe, the problem would remain, how did they make the handles if the vase is turning??
Great video. One of your best!
One point I didn't catch C. Dunn addressing was the actual cutters needed to machine those hard stone sculptures. Diamond seems the likely candidate but making diamond cutters is also an extremely high level technology and would still have needed tons of them for all the works we see. Stone is an extremely different material to machine than even the hardest alloys.
@airthrowDBT I read Dunns materials and I'm from a near identical career including aerospace inspection and machining. Cutter points need to be shaped and mounted on substantial materials and even diamond has a finite use life. My point remains that the amount of cutters needed for all the known machined stone would be many many tons of them. I've not seen any evidence of even a single piece. Doesn't mean they didn't exist, just means they are missing along with the machinery, manufacturing facilities, energy sources and engineering required. Even wood quickly wears down high speed steel and cobalt alloy cutters. Much of the machined stone artifacts are extremely abrasive, hard and comparatively brittle material.
you did a fantastic job. no need to worry or apologize. such a refreshing look at ancient civilizations and really opening your eyes to what may have been. no one has an explanation for the vases and jars or drill holes or the moving of such massive stones. people seem to forget that they didn't have paved roads back then. it is hard today to fathom why there is such resistance from the mainstream archaeology field.
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