The story of Narcanon reminds me of what happened to my mother. In the mid 80's she responded to a newspaper ad for employment as she was looking for work, as I was getting old enough to to start school soon. She was asked to come to an information session, and was told they would provide free daycare, so she took me along. When she got there, they locked the doors so nobody could leave, and the first thing they were made to do was to sign a contract they would not discuss anything with reporters or the media or police. She thought it was very strange and suspected it might be a criminal organization or something. She refused to sign and we tried to leave but they wouldn't let us go and the doors were locked. So she told them they wouldn't want her since she was married to a high ranking police official who was waiting for us downstairs in the car and her father was a reporter for a major newspaper. She told me after that, they kicked us out so fast lol. It was all a lie of course, haha, my dad worked for the postal service, and her father passed long ago. A few months later a friend of hers fell for the same scam but stayed for the session, and thats how my mum learnt it was the church of scientology. Stupid assholes even pray on the unemployed! Parasites! I was too young to remember any of this, but she told me the story after I gave her a copy of Going Clear to watch.
I’m speechless! They are a very dangerous organisation. Poor Paulette, how she survived this is an amazing example or resilience. I have never heard this story and it’s shocking beyond belief. Well done for not letting them get to you and goes to show how not to give in to abusers. Well done Miss Lovely. Big hugs. ❤️
Thank you for sharing this fantastic interview. I have great respect for Paulette. Tony Ortega is an excellent journalist, and obviously a treasured friend to Paulette. David Miscavige could learn something about honesty and integrity from these two.
Wow, this is incredible, it's kinda unbelievable! I love the humour of the speakers, I mean, how do you endure such experiences and then joke and laugh about it? That's truly inspiring!
+Mark Tordai Awesome Mark. Glad you got away. (I'd give you a God bless but this doesn't seem like the crowd for that). I was captured by Amway for over 5 years. Amway is also a cult. I don't know about you, but if I'm not counting my blessings for being free, I can sometimes fall into anger over what was lost.
Tony, YOU...are a brilliant journalist! You are an excellent researcher, and an empathetic guy. Paulette l commend you for the work you've done to expose this group of ''Nazis'', and all that you've gone though in your life because of this vicious group of vipers. Thank you BOTH, for saving many others. May you be blessed for the rest of your lives. :)
So sorry this trauma was experienced by Paulette. All of that trauma bringing up the extreme trauma of experiencing the Holocaust. Phenomenal resilience. You, Paulette are a profile in courage. I had no idea of the level of criminality that "church" engages in. They must have a massive lobby.
This was *great* to hear Tony and Paulette together. After you watch this, IF you have not purchased Tony's Book: "The Unbreakable Miss Lovely"...please do. There are TONS of facts and information I had no idea about, and I was "in" for 30 years and escaped OUT in July of 2000. Congratulations to you both, and thank you! :) Tory/Magoo
Two superb speakers (and writers) in Tony Ortega and Paulette Cooper. If you haven't yet read Tony Ortega's book about Paulette, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, I can't recommend it highly enough. The 'Church' of Scientology spent 15 years psychologically torturing Paulette Cooper at the same time as they were committing the worst infiltration of US government in history. The things they did to this extraordinarily brave woman will make your skin crawl. I can't imagine an author better placed to tell this story than Tony Ortega, the most informed investigative journalist in the world regarding Scientology. And the worst thing about it all? They are still behaving in this way to this very day.
I’m watching this 8 years later (8/31/23) and paused at 1:05:10 when Tony states Paula has been sued 19 times after being asked by an audience member if he’s ever been sued or concerned about it. I had to pause to fully process and comment. If there’s any one amendment that’s always been crucial to Americans and even now so many decades later, it’s free speech and freedom of the press. Yet, here is a woman who was sued 19 times AND indicted for crimes that eventually were dropped. It’s mind BLOWing!
Great Introduction summary, and really this master of ceremonies speaks for the average accurate understanding of Scientology. Great tribute to these journalists, who dared take on Scientology in great detail. Excellent honor to them both! Hail the 4th Estate! (media)
Thank you for your efforts, your sufferings and your victories fighting this dangerous syndicate. You have unmasked them for what they are, thus savings untold thousands of future victims.
This was so fine, almost like being there with you both. I liked your expose on the e-meter and it's so true, as to what they believe in, therefore works as they want it, an interrogation tool. Paulette, just want to say that many ex's who are familiar with GO/OSA have the same fears or paranoia of other people too and it takes years to lessen or to trust again. Blessings to you!
Yes indeed I remember taking some classes at scientology Los Angeles about 35 or so years ago and realized it was not for me so I never went back or looked back. A couple of years ago the wife and I started getting a lot of unwanted phone calls from people at scientology and I kept telling them to stop calling us and they just kept it up regardless of our desires. Finally I started screaming at them and it has subsided some now, but we still get lots of trash mail from scientology and I have asked them to stop, but it has not stopped. I complained to the us-gov unwanted phone call people, but they were of no assistance that I could tell. This is just plain evil as I see it. Robert Shrewsbury Utah
The one thing Scientology did right was to give Paulette Cooper that nickname! She is definitely MS. Lovely! I think her "story" is so remarkable! She was saved from the Nazi's only to turn around and help take down scientology! Paulette; the truth of your birth parents and the family that helped save you and your sister brings me to tears every time I hear it! You are so loved and oh so lovely, lil Ms!
To we critics of scientology, Tony Ortega provides new information valued as much as we Beatles fans value new and more indepth history of their musical and cultural experiences - both are met with eager delight!
I had a step sister who got involved with Scientology. She was brainwashed successfully and joined the Sea Org. They told her she had to disconnect with her mother. Ann is the granddaughter of an ex-governor of Massachusetts and niece of one of the Senators from Connecticut. Ann was, at the time, emotionally vulnerable and mentally ill. Scientology had taken all her medicines away and she was becoming increasingly psychotic and unstable. When she called her mother, my step-mother, to disconnect, my father finally stepped in and, with his considerable political pull on both local Clearwater and Federal Government, went with an Episcopalian minister to Clearwater to pick Ann up and get her out of Scientology. I'm not sure exactly how they were able to accomplish this end, as Ann was resistant, and, well , we know what Scientology is like with people who want to leave, and how they treat those who have emotional damage. I saw her after she had been home for several weeks. She was continuing to refuse her medications and, though still psychotic, much less so than when she was rescued. She was hollow-eyed and terrified. She was in daily consultation with both a physician and the minister, who, after three months, were able to get through to her and show her what was real and what wasn't. She started taking her medicines again and allowing visits from her old psychiatrist, and after a month or so, was at least able to distinguish the real from the unreal. This story doesn't have a happy ending. No one who has been through that kind brainwashing and PTSD will ever live a happy life. In comparison with others who have left Scientology, at least she had enough money around her, her mother's, her father's, my father's, that they were able to hire a team of security for her to keep the squirrels away from her so that she could recover in peace. She had to do so behind a closed gate, and 24/7 security, with a team of well-paid body guards (who actually kept a discreet distance) on duty around the clock costing, in the end, around a million dollars. That's what it takes to leave and regain your sanity from this evil, spiteful, greedy, paranoid organization. I'm a very grateful Buddhist, and declared Bodhisattva. My take on this is that Ann may have suffered horrendously, but keep in mind, it's the Scientologists themselves, who are doing these evil things, are the people whose Karma becomes more and more damaged, the more they support and behave as they do as Scientologists. I, as a Buddhist, have compassion for them, as their damage will be revisited on them a thousand fold, and they will suffer greatly. As much as I have deep compassion for Ann's experience and pain, I also pray for those who are in Scientology to awaken, humble themselves and realize what they are doing to others, who are innocent, sometimes damaged, but always vulnerable people.
Thanks for a world class interview, and a life time of valuable work Tony. And my congratulations to Paulette Cooper across a limitless range of courage and integrity. Tony... you said that David Miscavige was not a tall man, very cautiously... is it true that he has been mistaken for a lawn ornament? or was he just standing in a hole at the time.
So happy that this "cult" is being completely exposed!!! Love Tony and Paulette!!! "Scientology and it's aftermath" with Leah Remini and Mike Rinder is on A&E. I've read Paulettes book and it was absolutely amazing!!!!!
Paulette and her personal story is amazing! So incredible. I see the world and wonder if their are any good people out there and landlord's story and the family who saved her gives me hope.
49:08 the question, then Tony's answer .....wow!!! That's new material to me! Excellent info, that Tony's studied a copy of the 63 page forward that Paulette and Nibs (LRH Junioer) wrote a strong piece of writing about L. Ron Hubbard and early Scientology written before "Nibs" later flip flopped and became more unreliable in his retelling rewriting of history.
24:25 ..... during that lead up to her depression that Scientology L. Ron Hubbard's, Don Alverzo luring Paulette to the ledge of the roof of her building, the timing sadly sadly coincided to Paulette's mom's date of late October when her real mother was shipped off to Auschwitz. October for Paulette was a month of doom, in that Paulette's indictment was meant to advance, or not, in October of that year Don Alverzo was prodding and sympathizing Paulette in her depths of depression. Thankfully Paulette triumphed, through the random efforts of her friends at the right moment bucking her back up that October! Thankyou to her October friend!
www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/ this link to find Paulette's book, still excellent summary of all of Scientology's downsides. That Paulette gives a nod to Martin Gardner's "Fads and Fallacies..." the 1950s book that pegged Hubbard as the crackpot crank that Hubbard was, is important.
1:00:45 .... true, John Connolly, really nice guy, ultra chummy, former NY cop, I mean the guy's really such a good talking friend, he unfortunately somehow was doing digging for uncovering Marc Headley as "Blown for Good". In 2005-2006, Connolly was calling me weekly, and for a one two week stretch, Connolly did just almost ring me daily (3-4 times those weeks). This was due to every day Marc (still unrevealed as Blownforgood) was putting out explosive NEW stories on the chat sites. Finding out Marc's identity was Connolly's priority. Later when Marty was going seriously public on his blog, Connolly also was calling me 2 times a week, pushing Connolly's conspiracy theory of what Marty was up to. Wishing me to agree with Connolly's take on Marty, I never did, and tried forcefully to say he was wrong, which of course he was. . I was a sieve just freely blabbing all the other ex member's names and stories that still had to be told by media, back when the "Blownforgood" (unrevealed Marc Headley) was kind of like Connolly wanted to know to get the jump on revealing Marc back to Scientology as the first one on that info. Connolly was always trying to put words in my mouth, sadly, he had a suspicious conspiracy theory he wanted me to agree with, that Marty Rathbun wanted to take over Scientology---that seems like the Mike Rinder OSA plot that Gerry Armstrong had "earlier similar" been foisted with, back by Rinder when Rinder was trying to force that scenario on Gerry back in the early 80s. Tony so brilliantly has dissected Scientology's intel operations, patterns that recur, decade by decade. (Frank Oliver and the 1990s ex OSA people like Dan Garvin, and Mike McLaury and his wife, and Gerry Armstrong and deceased Vaughn Young and Stacy Young, have all exposed the devious intel writings of Hubbard.) Tracing it rightly back to Hubbard's adoption of cold war intel tactics, using reporters, like Connolly, as sources and planters of ideas, so in turn Scientology's Office of Special Affairs can "make cases" against those Hubbard self created "enemy" ex members who are sold devious bad ideas to then go do, so Scientology sets them up and further nails them. Devious. Reporters like Connolly ought to know the price they will someday pay, as nice of reporters that them might be, like Connolly really is as person. Excellent excellent overall dissection.
This kind of organisations and so many are cults working on high spiritual authority from dark world .. all you need is to pray for souls and hand of God to intervene .. they are untouchable right now but everything has the beginning and the end..
Paulette looks so good for being in her 70's I hope it's because she's Jewish. I'm Jewish and I want to age like her! Just found out about her but I love her
At minute 34 Mr. Ortega talks with a bit of disdain that the aunt did not adopt Paulette along with Suzy. I would like to defend this aunt. With the liberation of Belgium in 1944, there was a lot of poverty and shortage of everything. I do not know the personal circumstances of the aunt, but having extra mouths to feed could mean hunger for all in the household, It must have been a Solomon’s decision for the aunt which of the two sisters she would take in. Not surprisingly she put up a fight when she learned Paulette was to be adopted by a couple from New York, splitting up the siblings and given the time and age, never would be able to see each other ever again.
That's why Ron Hubbard wanted the other two people to be the leaders of scientology the ones miscavage pushed out and jumped in there seats because Ron probably knew that David Miscaviage would ruin what he spent the best yrs of his life building up Ron would have named him as his successor and not the other couple who miscavage defrauded out of there promotion etc as David Miscaviage has completely ruined scientology as people wouldn't be desperate to run from the organization and everyone of them are in fear in some way of retaliation as they are not bowing to the subdigation of D M and his cronies that prob revelling in the little bit of power that DM let's them 5hink they have but one day what they do can be done to them as quick as a blink I realky think David Miscaviage should be investigated and charged with Racketeering as that is the basis of there cult Do You Think Tom Cruise will be the next "STAR" enlightened being lol
Why wouldn't the judges order scientology to pay for Paulette & Time and EVERYONE else's attys? Do you have to file a counter claim for that or something? I am so not the litigious type!
When she said she fall for it again and had her fingerprints .etc..I definitely can understand that to fall for stupid shit..but you would have to know my story... To understand.....but you stopped to trusting people.. but you know you shouldn't ..but they get you no matter what even back in the day and here it is almost 45e years to get you... I definitely I know the feeling to some degree of being harassed by a system... No matter what it is Scientology or other type of program or systems that don't want you to expose them... can relatedly... you don't have to be in Scientology to get f***** over with other systems are out there....can fuck with you more then you can imagine ... If they have the money and some power...that scary Bullshit..but we will fight BACK... Honesty always is there... Just got to find it......!!!!! Thank you
DC8 s DID in fact travel three weeks to destination NOT Gas Turbine or Jet they were Rockets far more advanced than today .They used Electromagnetism ahead of propulsion within Fuselage so I have to declare this stuff when I was 6 years old before I even noticed Scientology .
+Roy C Horton "Far more advanced," yet still described as DC8s - the reason for that is simple, that was as far as Ron could imagine at the time he wrote this, unlike, say, Jules Verne or H G Wells (Ron was prolific, but arguably not a very imaginative writer). Any attempted explanation of how these airplanes could travel in outer space is simply trying explain away the absurdity of such a glaringly silly proposed vehicle of transport.
I quite agree with you Sir however LRH observed this Plane DC8 as an re-enactment of what went on ! It is hard to comprehend BUT I didn't believe either until Auditing ! A lot of what is happening today is just just stuff regurgitated from millions of years ago and that is the honest truth ! Why are so many people besotted with with Sci Fi like Star Trek and Alien ? Have an Honest Think !
You said something about scientology people being put inside certain organisations etc would it be possible that that was done in the tax exempt office decision to make xmpt out of interest just a way out there thought
Try to understand this for a change. Without illusion, conflict is impossible. Who would defend himself unless he thought he were attacked, that the attack were real, and that is own defense could save himself ??? And herein lies the folly of defense; it gives illusions full reality, and then attemps to handle them as real. It adds illusions to illusions thus making correction doubly difficult. And it is this you do when you attempt to plan the future, activate the past, or organize the present as you wish.
Rigo vī đai this is a "church" that sues people, hires PI to follow people, breaks into people's homes, into businesses, falsely accuses people and actually frames them for crimes, it breaks up families, it exploits people, it abuses children. Shall I go on?
My goodness! I really don't know what goes on in the USA, but the scientology you've got there sounds positively evil. It's not that way here in the UK though, it's as if it's two different orgs! I must say a couple of things, first it's scientology, not scienceology. Scio is Latin for Know or Knowledge (google it) and logos means to study or learn (Greek) So scientology is the study of knowledge, or knowing how to know, nothing to do with science. Secondly, Xenu...I'm an ex scientologist who has many criticisms of the org, but I find the tech incredibly real and useful in everyday life. I knew about xenu about 6 months before I became a scientologist, as I had access to many of the advanced materials, but this didn't put me off because I understood scientology (the subject). As I love the tech so much, (but not the 'church'), it's actually hurtful to find people criticising scientology for the wrong reasons, and xenu is certainly a wrong reason. Yes Hubbard talks about volcanoes and xenu and all sorts of bizzarre things, but these are not what scientology is about. Non scientologists, and many squirrel scientologists (those who left and started their own version), and many who left never to go back, all have one thing in common....they never did understand scientology. So many people studied scientology as if reading a book, eagerly racing to the next chapter to find out what happens next, and of course if you're reading a book you'll likely feel let down by xenu and volcanoes! Scientology is all about you the individual, and how your own mind can be a barrier to your ability. Ability to function, ability to achieve, etc. The way scientology helps people to understand themselves is to present the data first, which can be awfully confusing. For example Hubbard may go on about life being a static, and a being having a point of view, and having points to view, etc, and all this becomes confusing, boring gibberish. But then you would listen to a lecture or series of lectures, some may include volcanoes and xenus, and as you're listening you suddenly get the picture Hubbard was presenting in his confusing, boring book. He may lecture as if xenu is 100% true, but it doesn't actually matter if he is or not. What matters is that the concept of a particular type of mental entrapment becomes clear to the individual. The point being that once you have knowledge, there are no questions. Questions are simply the absence of knowledge. You'll be surprised how many things go wrong in peoples lives, just because they have questions. And when you have knowledge, you have solutions, not problems. And that's how scientology works. But the CHURCH of scientology is a different thing altogether, especially in the USA, as I can see. I wish you guys would criticise the right things, not those which you do not understand.
Cat Man - That’s like saying the Nazis were just misunderstood. Sure, they didn’t like Jews, but they certainly understood organization, and they had some great schnitzel recipes.
The story of Narcanon reminds me of what happened to my mother. In the mid 80's she responded to a newspaper ad for employment as she was looking for work, as I was getting old enough to to start school soon.
She was asked to come to an information session, and was told they would provide free daycare, so she took me along. When she got there, they locked the doors so nobody could leave, and the first thing they were made to do was to sign a contract they would not discuss anything with reporters or the media or police. She thought it was very strange and suspected it might be a criminal organization or something.
She refused to sign and we tried to leave but they wouldn't let us go and the doors were locked. So she told them they wouldn't want her since she was married to a high ranking police official who was waiting for us downstairs in the car and her father was a reporter for a major newspaper.
She told me after that, they kicked us out so fast lol. It was all a lie of course, haha, my dad worked for the postal service, and her father passed long ago. A few months later a friend of hers fell for the same scam but stayed for the session, and thats how my mum learnt it was the church of scientology. Stupid assholes even pray on the unemployed! Parasites!
I was too young to remember any of this, but she told me the story after I gave her a copy of Going Clear to watch.
*prey
The prey on the vulnerable in many ways! Especially in healthcare I am learning!!! Crazy! Justice for Lisa❤
I’m speechless! They are a very dangerous organisation. Poor Paulette, how she survived this is an amazing example or resilience. I have never heard this story and it’s shocking beyond belief. Well done for not letting them get to you and goes to show how not to give in to abusers. Well done Miss Lovely. Big hugs. ❤️
Thank you for sharing this fantastic interview. I have great respect for Paulette. Tony Ortega is an excellent journalist, and obviously a treasured friend to Paulette. David Miscavige could learn something about honesty and integrity from these two.
Wow, this is incredible, it's kinda unbelievable! I love the humour of the speakers, I mean, how do you endure such experiences and then joke and laugh about it? That's truly inspiring!
Humor heals the soul.
I'm too am an ex-member, former LA resident and friend of Garry's. Thank you for uploading this. It is much appreciated.
+Mark Tordai Awesome Mark. Glad you got away. (I'd give you a God bless but this doesn't seem like the crowd for that). I was captured by Amway for over 5 years. Amway is also a cult. I don't know about you, but if I'm not counting my blessings for being free, I can sometimes fall into anger over what was lost.
Paulette Cooper is all Grace and Class. What a special lady.
true
knowsmebyname so special and such a survivor
Hannah Benard She is so impressive isn't she? Real selfless courage. Tough and full of kindness. You don't see many people like this anywhere really.
Tony, YOU...are a brilliant journalist! You are an excellent researcher, and an empathetic guy. Paulette l commend you for the work you've done to expose this group of ''Nazis'', and all that you've gone though in your life because of this vicious group of vipers. Thank you BOTH, for saving many others. May you be blessed for the rest of your lives. :)
So sorry this trauma was experienced by Paulette. All of that trauma bringing up the extreme trauma of experiencing the Holocaust. Phenomenal resilience. You, Paulette are a profile in courage. I had no idea of the level of criminality that "church" engages in. They must have a massive lobby.
This was *great* to hear Tony and Paulette together. After you watch this, IF you have not purchased Tony's Book: "The Unbreakable Miss Lovely"...please do. There are TONS of facts and information I had no idea about, and I was "in" for 30 years and escaped OUT in July of 2000. Congratulations to you both, and thank you! :) Tory/Magoo
ToryMagoo44 hate the fact i can only buy an Ebook and not a paperback here in Europe
? get someone to buy books and ship 'em to you ... or find a seller who will ship to you . check ebay
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Glad you got out!!! ❤
Tony Ortega is my HERO!! Paulette is an Angel, her courage and persistence opened the doors to the 'EVIL WORLD OF $CIENTOLOGY', .....God Bless you!
Two superb speakers (and writers) in Tony Ortega and Paulette Cooper. If you haven't yet read Tony Ortega's book about Paulette, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, I can't recommend it highly enough.
The 'Church' of Scientology spent 15 years psychologically torturing Paulette Cooper at the same time as they were committing the worst infiltration of US government in history. The things they did to this extraordinarily brave woman will make your skin crawl. I can't imagine an author better placed to tell this story than Tony Ortega, the most informed investigative journalist in the world regarding Scientology.
And the worst thing about it all? They are still behaving in this way to this very day.
Wow! Great video, great Q & A! Paulette is INCREDIBLE! And so is Tony! Thank you for sharing this!
I’m watching this 8 years later (8/31/23) and paused at 1:05:10 when Tony states Paula has been sued 19 times after being asked by an audience member if he’s ever been sued or concerned about it. I had to pause to fully process and comment. If there’s any one amendment that’s always been crucial to Americans and even now so many decades later, it’s free speech and freedom of the press. Yet, here is a woman who was sued 19 times AND indicted for crimes that eventually were dropped. It’s mind BLOWing!
Great Introduction summary, and really this master of ceremonies speaks for the average accurate understanding of Scientology.
Great tribute to these journalists, who dared take on Scientology in great detail.
Excellent honor to them both!
Hail the 4th Estate! (media)
This is a treat. I've not seen Ms Cooper doing a live event before.
thank you so much for filming and uploading this, it is very inspriring and revealing
Thank you for your efforts, your sufferings and your victories fighting this dangerous syndicate. You have unmasked them for what they are, thus savings untold thousands of future victims.
This was so fine, almost like being there with you both. I liked your expose on the e-meter and it's so true, as to what they believe in, therefore works as they want it, an interrogation tool. Paulette, just want to say that many ex's who are familiar with GO/OSA have the same fears or paranoia of other people too and it takes years to lessen or to trust again. Blessings to you!
What a great vid. Hearing Paulette, speak w/ Tony was great! Tomorrow, I meet them!
Paulette is a very classy lady. I briefly met both her and her husband and they both remembered my name out of the 250 people at the event.
Yes indeed I remember taking some classes at scientology Los Angeles
about 35 or so years ago and realized it was not for me so I never went
back or looked back. A couple of years ago the wife and I started
getting a lot of unwanted phone calls from people at scientology and I
kept telling them to stop calling us and they just kept it up regardless
of our desires. Finally I started screaming at them and it has subsided
some now, but we still get lots of trash mail from scientology and I
have asked them to stop, but it has not stopped. I complained to the
us-gov unwanted phone call people, but they were of no assistance that I
could tell. This is just plain evil as I see it.
Robert Shrewsbury Utah
They're relentless... luckily, they didn't show up at your door, at least 😉
love listening to Paulette and Tony 💚
Shared. I hope to see more of their book tour. This was so good. Thank you for recording this.
Sarah James Yes! Come to the northeast!
WantToKnow So far
Paulette is certainly Miss Lovely, what a dignified and courageous lady.
AMEN! :)
She is great!
admirable people
The one thing Scientology did right was to give Paulette Cooper that nickname! She is definitely MS. Lovely!
I think her "story" is so remarkable! She was saved from the Nazi's only to turn around and help take down scientology!
Paulette; the truth of your birth parents and the family that helped save you and your sister brings me to tears every time I hear it! You are so loved and oh so lovely, lil Ms!
Scary how people can be framed so easily. Very interesting interview.
To we critics of scientology, Tony Ortega provides new information valued as much as we Beatles fans value new and more indepth history of their musical and cultural experiences - both are met with eager delight!
Great show
I had a step sister who got involved with Scientology. She was brainwashed successfully and joined the Sea Org. They told her she had to disconnect with her mother. Ann is the granddaughter of an ex-governor of Massachusetts and niece of one of the Senators from Connecticut. Ann was, at the time, emotionally vulnerable and mentally ill. Scientology had taken all her medicines away and she was becoming increasingly psychotic and unstable. When she called her mother, my step-mother, to disconnect, my father finally stepped in and, with his considerable political pull on both local Clearwater and Federal Government, went with an Episcopalian minister to Clearwater to pick Ann up and get her out of Scientology. I'm not sure exactly how they were able to accomplish this end, as Ann was resistant, and, well , we know what Scientology is like with people who want to leave, and how they treat those who have emotional damage. I saw her after she had been home for several weeks. She was continuing to refuse her medications and, though still psychotic, much less so than when she was rescued. She was hollow-eyed and terrified. She was in daily consultation with both a physician and the minister, who, after three months, were able to get through to her and show her what was real and what wasn't. She started taking her medicines again and allowing visits from her old psychiatrist, and after a month or so, was at least able to distinguish the real from the unreal. This story doesn't have a happy ending. No one who has been through that kind brainwashing and PTSD will ever live a happy life. In comparison with others who have left Scientology, at least she had enough money around her, her mother's, her father's, my father's, that they were able to hire a team of security for her to keep the squirrels away from her so that she could recover in peace. She had to do so behind a closed gate, and 24/7 security, with a team of well-paid body guards (who actually kept a discreet distance) on duty around the clock costing, in the end, around a million dollars. That's what it takes to leave and regain your sanity from this evil, spiteful, greedy, paranoid organization. I'm a very grateful Buddhist, and declared Bodhisattva. My take on this is that Ann may have suffered horrendously, but keep in mind, it's the Scientologists themselves, who are doing these evil things, are the people whose Karma becomes more and more damaged, the more they support and behave as they do as Scientologists. I, as a Buddhist, have compassion for them, as their damage will be revisited on them a thousand fold, and they will suffer greatly. As much as I have deep compassion for Ann's experience and pain, I also pray for those who are in Scientology to awaken, humble themselves and realize what they are doing to others, who are innocent, sometimes damaged, but always vulnerable people.
You are actually trying to cover up abuse and gaslight victims of our family abuse.
wow wonderful expose
Listened to that incident where they were declaring that woman an SP. Unbelievable how horrible this cult is. Its something people should listen to
Thanks for a world class interview, and a life time of valuable work Tony. And my congratulations to Paulette Cooper across a limitless range of courage and integrity.
Tony... you said that David Miscavige was not a tall man, very cautiously... is it true that he has been mistaken for a lawn ornament? or was he just standing in a hole at the time.
So happy that this "cult" is being completely exposed!!! Love Tony and Paulette!!! "Scientology and it's aftermath" with Leah Remini and Mike Rinder is on A&E. I've read Paulettes book and it was absolutely amazing!!!!!
48:20 ...Paulette's hope, that's everyone's hope. That the Scientologists who did the bad operations do wise up and talk, today!
Your a strong woman Miss Lovely
Paulette and her personal story is amazing! So incredible. I see the world and wonder if their are any good people out there and landlord's story and the family who saved her gives me hope.
A wonderful, brave Lady...
49:08 the question, then Tony's answer .....wow!!! That's new material to me! Excellent info, that Tony's studied a copy of the 63 page forward that Paulette and Nibs (LRH Junioer) wrote a strong piece of writing about L. Ron Hubbard and early Scientology written before "Nibs" later flip flopped and became more unreliable in his retelling rewriting of history.
A lady of class and truth "Bless" ..
What a lovely lady.
And well done Tony for caring.
This needs to be made into a movie!
what an incredible woman. Super strong and after all this, still nice and respectful and man, what a role model!
24:25 ..... during that lead up to her depression that Scientology L. Ron Hubbard's, Don Alverzo luring Paulette to the ledge of the roof of her building, the timing sadly sadly coincided to Paulette's mom's date of late October when her real mother was shipped off to Auschwitz. October for Paulette was a month of doom, in that Paulette's indictment was meant to advance, or not, in October of that year Don Alverzo was prodding and sympathizing Paulette in her depths of depression.
Thankfully Paulette triumphed, through the random efforts of her friends at the right moment bucking her back up that October! Thankyou to her October friend!
Two words ..PURE CLASS
Just purchased book. Will refer all to read.
Great inspiring account of beating targeting, mobbing campaigns and tribal gaslighting.
It's good to see this particular cult be exposed.
www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/
this link to find Paulette's book, still excellent summary of all of Scientology's downsides.
That Paulette gives a nod to Martin Gardner's "Fads and Fallacies..." the 1950s book that pegged Hubbard as the crackpot crank that Hubbard was, is important.
These two are awesome!!!
1:00:45 .... true, John Connolly, really nice guy, ultra chummy, former NY cop, I mean the guy's really such a good talking friend, he unfortunately somehow was doing digging for uncovering Marc Headley as "Blown for Good".
In 2005-2006, Connolly was calling me weekly, and for a one two week stretch, Connolly did just almost ring me daily (3-4 times those weeks). This was due to every day Marc (still unrevealed as Blownforgood) was putting out explosive NEW stories on the chat sites. Finding out Marc's identity was Connolly's priority.
Later when Marty was going seriously public on his blog, Connolly also was calling me 2 times a week, pushing Connolly's conspiracy theory of what Marty was up to. Wishing me to agree with Connolly's take on Marty, I never did, and tried forcefully to say he was wrong, which of course he was. .
I was a sieve just freely blabbing all the other ex member's names and stories that still had to be told by media, back when the "Blownforgood" (unrevealed Marc Headley) was kind of like Connolly wanted to know to get the jump on revealing Marc back to Scientology as the first one on that info.
Connolly was always trying to put words in my mouth, sadly, he had a suspicious conspiracy theory he wanted me to agree with, that Marty Rathbun wanted to take over Scientology---that seems like the Mike Rinder OSA plot that Gerry Armstrong had "earlier similar" been foisted with, back by Rinder when Rinder was trying to force that scenario on Gerry back in the early 80s.
Tony so brilliantly has dissected Scientology's intel operations, patterns that recur, decade by decade. (Frank Oliver and the 1990s ex OSA people like Dan Garvin, and Mike McLaury and his wife, and Gerry Armstrong and deceased Vaughn Young and Stacy Young, have all exposed the devious intel writings of Hubbard.)
Tracing it rightly back to Hubbard's adoption of cold war intel tactics, using reporters, like Connolly, as sources and planters of ideas, so in turn Scientology's Office of Special Affairs can "make cases" against those Hubbard self created "enemy" ex members who are sold devious bad ideas to then go do, so Scientology sets them up and further nails them.
Devious. Reporters like Connolly ought to know the price they will someday pay, as nice of reporters that them might be, like Connolly really is as person.
Excellent excellent overall dissection.
This kind of organisations and so many are cults working on high spiritual authority from dark world .. all you need is to pray for souls and hand of God to intervene .. they are untouchable right now but everything has the beginning and the end..
The audio is so mismatched it makes this hard to watch. Please remix the volumes between Tony & Paulette's mics. Thank you both for the interview.
You must NEVER ask questions. What an insufferable scam !!!0
AMAZING....)))
What a caring loving and tolerant religion scientology is.
bless u paulette! ur a legend and good soul !!
Paulette looks so good for being in her 70's I hope it's because she's Jewish. I'm Jewish and I want to age like her! Just found out about her but I love her
Oh cut the crap
Yeah it's because she's Jewish. Jews are immortal
It's because she's beautiful from the inside ❤
That never fades away
At minute 34 Mr. Ortega talks with a bit of disdain that the aunt did not adopt Paulette along with Suzy. I would like to defend this aunt. With the liberation of Belgium in 1944, there was a lot of poverty and shortage of everything. I do not know the personal circumstances of the aunt, but having extra mouths to feed could mean hunger for all in the household, It must have been a Solomon’s decision for the aunt which of the two sisters she would take in. Not surprisingly she put up a fight when she learned Paulette was to be adopted by a couple from New York, splitting up the siblings and given the time and age, never would be able to see each other ever again.
"What do you have to say about Scientology actually helping people?" Hello Sir, and how long have you been a Scientologist?
maybememory1 well hello
That's why Ron Hubbard wanted the other two people to be the leaders of scientology the ones miscavage pushed out and jumped in there seats because Ron probably knew that David Miscaviage would ruin what he spent the best yrs of his life building up
Ron would have named him as his successor and not the other couple who miscavage defrauded out of there promotion etc as David Miscaviage has completely ruined scientology as people wouldn't be desperate to run from the organization and everyone of them are in fear in some way of retaliation as they are not bowing to the subdigation of D M and his cronies that prob revelling in the little bit of power that DM let's them 5hink they have but one day what they do can be done to them as quick as a blink I realky think David Miscaviage should be investigated and charged with Racketeering as that is the basis of there cult Do You Think Tom Cruise will be the next "STAR" enlightened being lol
So Accurate And So Relevant It's No Wonder More And People Walk Around With Headphone Plugged into Their Phone Jacks. Hint Hint😉
A story with similarities to Paulette Cooper's can be found on facebook @ColePhoenixWolvesforHire
As long as I have my BT"s I will never be alone lmao and mine know how to party !!!! hehehehehe
Why wouldn't the judges order scientology to pay for Paulette & Time and EVERYONE else's attys? Do you have to file a counter claim for that or something? I am so not the litigious type!
such an amazing woman!
Do people actually still join this cult scientology ?
She truly is : Miss. Lovely.
1:08:15 A glimpse of the wonderful Karen de la Carriere :)
It would be nice to hear her talking about herself more rather than him
When she said she fall for it again and had her fingerprints .etc..I definitely can understand that to fall for stupid shit..but you would have to know my story... To understand.....but you stopped to trusting people.. but you know you shouldn't ..but they get you no matter what even back in the day and here it is almost 45e years to get you... I definitely I know the feeling to some degree of being harassed by a system... No matter what it is Scientology or other type of program or systems that don't want you to expose them... can relatedly... you don't have to be in Scientology to get f***** over with other systems are out there....can fuck with you more then you can imagine
... If they have the money and some power...that scary Bullshit..but we will fight BACK... Honesty always is there... Just got to find it......!!!!!
Thank you
Is there a movie about her?
what is Gerry levines real name ?
The science police! Keeping an eye on the undesirables...
Who's the unmasked spy news writer that she had lunch with. She said "when I go to New York" NYT writer? Anyone look or just know?
god bless paulette cooper my granda was taken by the nazzies aye feel so bad for u allso very happy live long an strong my love xx
Amazing woman.
"Alleged" church please?
James Whyard proven Cult
DC8 s DID in fact travel three weeks to destination NOT Gas Turbine or Jet they were Rockets far more advanced than today .They used Electromagnetism ahead of propulsion within Fuselage so I have to declare this stuff when I was 6 years old before I even noticed Scientology .
+Roy C Horton "Far more advanced," yet still described as DC8s - the reason for that is simple, that was as far as Ron could imagine at the time he wrote this, unlike, say, Jules Verne or H G Wells (Ron was prolific, but arguably not a very imaginative writer). Any attempted explanation of how these airplanes could travel in outer space is simply trying explain away the absurdity of such a glaringly silly proposed vehicle of transport.
I quite agree with you Sir however LRH observed this Plane DC8 as an re-enactment of what went on ! It is hard to comprehend BUT I didn't believe either until Auditing ! A lot of what is happening today is just just stuff regurgitated from millions of years ago and that is the honest truth ! Why are so many people besotted with with Sci Fi like Star Trek and Alien ? Have an Honest Think !
You said something about scientology people being put inside certain organisations etc would it be possible that that was done in the tax exempt office decision to make xmpt out of interest just a way out there thought
They bullied the IRS into giving them the tax exemption.
Who knew.....I had no idea...but when I learned he got some of his ideas from Aleister Crowley that was enough nut case crackpot theory for me.
c is a good day at work
Charles Mason the killer was a memebership of Scientology
Jen Holmes he left the church saying it was too crazy. But does it matter? There are crazy people and murderers belonging to every religion.
Ah Charlie didn't kill anyone and wasn't even there when it happened
I'm still watching the movies under the volcano. They're pretty good actually. I might stay her another trillion years.
her voice sounds identical to JANE FONDA!!
I've seen Xena. the princess warrior.
y didnt even spell it right!!!!!!!
He means “Lucy Lawless”...half-wit...!!
sounds like poor Paulette was just a little too trusting
Sounds a little cynical. She's an extraordinary brave woman.
Try to understand this for a change.
Without illusion, conflict is impossible.
Who would defend himself unless he thought he were attacked, that the attack were real, and that is own defense could save himself ??? And herein lies the folly of defense; it gives illusions full reality, and then attemps to handle them as real. It adds illusions to illusions thus making correction doubly difficult. And it is this you do when you attempt to plan the future, activate the past, or organize the present as you wish.
The results of people not trusting the wisdom of the Bible but trusting other humans with their lives.
Yeah... That's exactly the message we should all take from this : /
Thetan rhymes with SATAN
Hahahaha - Xenu!!!
i just wish ortega wouldnt talk so much in these interviews it really annoys me he takes up far too much time in this and ruins it
Wow heard nothing from Paulette so watched something else
"Lying lawyers". Redundant much?
Never mind that it works
FallingOff TheSun describe "works" please
FallingOff TheSun 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
silly arguments in the beginning - I quit
yall have anything besides zenu. heard that a million times.
Rigo vī đai this is a "church" that sues people, hires PI to follow people, breaks into people's homes, into businesses, falsely accuses people and actually frames them for crimes, it breaks up families, it exploits people, it abuses children. Shall I go on?
Tony Ortega shut up and let Paulette tslk
My goodness! I really don't know what goes on in the USA, but the scientology you've got there sounds positively evil. It's not that way here in the UK though, it's as if it's two different orgs! I must say a couple of things, first it's scientology, not scienceology. Scio is Latin for Know or Knowledge (google it) and logos means to study or learn (Greek) So scientology is the study of knowledge, or knowing how to know, nothing to do with science.
Secondly, Xenu...I'm an ex scientologist who has many criticisms of the org, but I find the tech incredibly real and useful in everyday life. I knew about xenu about 6 months before I became a scientologist, as I had access to many of the advanced materials, but this didn't put me off because I understood scientology (the subject).
As I love the tech so much, (but not the 'church'), it's actually hurtful to find people criticising scientology for the wrong reasons, and xenu is certainly a wrong reason.
Yes Hubbard talks about volcanoes and xenu and all sorts of bizzarre things, but these are not what scientology is about.
Non scientologists, and many squirrel scientologists (those who left and started their own version), and many who left never to go back, all have one thing in common....they never did understand scientology. So many people studied scientology as if reading a book, eagerly racing to the next chapter to find out what happens next, and of course if you're reading a book you'll likely feel let down by xenu and volcanoes!
Scientology is all about you the individual, and how your own mind can be a barrier to your ability. Ability to function, ability to achieve, etc. The way scientology helps people to understand themselves is to present the data first, which can be awfully confusing. For example Hubbard may go on about life being a static, and a being having a point of view, and having points to view, etc, and all this becomes confusing, boring gibberish. But then you would listen to a lecture or series of lectures, some may include volcanoes and xenus, and as you're listening you suddenly get the picture Hubbard was presenting in his confusing, boring book. He may lecture as if xenu is 100% true, but it doesn't actually matter if he is or not. What matters is that the concept of a particular type of mental entrapment becomes clear to the individual. The point being that once you have knowledge, there are no questions. Questions are simply the absence of knowledge. You'll be surprised how many things go wrong in peoples lives, just because they have questions. And when you have knowledge, you have solutions, not problems.
And that's how scientology works. But the CHURCH of scientology is a different thing altogether, especially in the USA, as I can see.
I wish you guys would criticise the right things, not those which you do not understand.
Cat Man - That’s like saying the Nazis were just misunderstood. Sure, they didn’t like Jews, but they certainly understood organization, and they had some great schnitzel recipes.
He keeps talking over her and mansplaining everything she said ...he’s sort of annoying
A similar and thought provoking BRIEF video can be found @ ua-cam.com/video/7qlx0EIokaQ/v-deo.html
this lady sounds just like Betty White