Deciders=Pain Observers=Fear
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I'm only getting more and more confused about who I am
Gert Samson That's the spirit! haha
It’s really not confusing though. He perfectly explained it. Are you a constant worrier always fearful? Have constant anxiety? Always fearing and irrationally thinking the worst? Then your most likely IxxJ/ExxP, or are you the depressed edgy emo type who’s dramatic all the time about their feelings thinking the world doesn’t “get” you? And you get off at the thought of being in pain and love to wallow in it? Congrats, you’re most likely IxxP/ExxJ
Both.
Baha. I feel the exact same way after each new video. But, fairly certain I'm an INFJ. Like 75% certain. Maybe 85%.
Everyone experiences both but what are you naturally more though? Think back to your childhood, what were you more most of your life? An anxious wreck or A hardcore deep feeler?
"Usually, anecdotally, I know its not true for you because you're special".
Dave, the master of shade.
"So when trying to type yourself..."
Why would I type myself any more at this point? Your points continue putting priority in doubting one's understanding of self.
This is exactly what they want you to think! It's all about the money...
I think dave has a particular personality that can come off abrasive and its mostly that he hears so often of people typing themselves wrong and being angry about it and holding on to a particular type because of how it feels to your ego... he really just wants you to be very self aware about typing yourself.
@@waterbender19 Yeah, after 2 years, my perspective of it now is that he prioritizes a balance in the prospect of self-typing. It's hard, nearly impossible to look outside of our biases to self-type, but if you're still going to try regardless, here's some more insight to consider.
@@trayson I felt the exact same way 2 years ago lol, I think I get why he hammers home the unreliability of self-typing now. You see countless times people type themselves how they *want* to be or look, rather than taking the time to find what's consistent or searching outside of themselves. Even though they seem to funnel everyone to their own typing system, you see the flaws in the old MBTI typing because it's easy to find anecdotal evidence, or convince yourself you're really someone else, without that self awareness / doubt. I don't think we're supposed to obsess over 'our true type', rather take what's valuable from what they say and see if things become clearer in the long run. Frankly I think they're just sick of people begging to prove they're the type they want to be lol
“usually, USUALLY, anecdotally, i know it’s not you cause you’re special” HAHABSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Without more examples comparing Pain and Fear, I don't think I can agree that pain always trumps fear. I've dealt with some pretty shitty situations in my life. In each case, pain (emotional or otherwise) was only my focus if I was convinced it wasn't going to end, that I couldn't end the problem. I've learned to ignore pain until I find a way to eliminate it. It's only when I lose hope of finding a solution that I truly feel pain. Fear prolongs pain, it can cripple an otherwise capable person.
Having said that, I'm on depression medication now and I've overheard people wondering if I was depressed in the past, despite me not realizing it. The biggest trigger for my depression, now that I've started paying attention to it, is fear.
Anxiety can be awful.
Oh i agree. Fear is the thing that has crippled me my whole life. Pain is actually something i deal with on a daily basis physically and emotional pain like a berevement of someone close. I'm going through that too and it hits hard but fear is a constant thing always on your back. I would rather cope with a life punctuated by pain than this constant life labour of dealing with fear and anxiety. Different strokes for different folks I guess. But I feel all of it. It depends on peoples definitions of pain and fear though. To me pain is a super strong sucker punch and fear is a kind of constant panic and dread and this thing over your head that something really bad is about to happen. Without more real world examples of the definitions here I find it hard to relate to either type. I have spoken about fear but I haven't spoken about pain which is something felt deep within and is also crippling. Super and absolute destruction. That is also pretty constant if you feel it within and you cant escape it. I'm struggling to separate the two and know which one I am but from watching other videos I'm thinking observer.
I don't believe he's talking about that kind of pain. He's talking about the pain of losing your identity (identity-tribe conflict) which I do agree with him would trump fear.
It feels like deciders pain > observer fear when you're depressed and your identity and position in the tribe is causing you pain but for observers it's the imbalance in the observing functions that's turning our lives upside down. As lead Ne we aren't able to stay disciplined enough to get things done and we aren't able to organize the information we learn to retain it. As lead Se they aren't seeing the future and it's causing them anxiety. It's the missing information that is turning us into 1 dimensional people. And then as we aren't able to be competent people who help our tribe we start pushing at our fourth function and lose touch with our first. And because we lose touch with our first we lose our identity and forget who we are. We're freaking out about our deciders and the pain they're causing us but it's our observers that put us in the tailspin to begin with.
i thought i knew who i was and now im just confused all over again
your profile picture. ew.
Perfect analysis dave... as an INTJ, I noticed the turmoil wasn't specifically a "me or them, them or me" kinda thing, rather, it's lack of a "universal" control aspect and thus when it comes to people, it's a lack of social skills and getting a good enough read upon them and what and how to do certain things at certain given moments.
So this would mean that deciders experience pain as its presented to them, while observers are never really sure if there is a problem so they are more prone to secondguessing their emotions. It's like observers have a shield against real problems, and because they know it it tends to make them paranoid.
As an observer I realize that I generally prefer painful situations that are obvious/extreme because it means there´s no secondguessing. Also in highschool I envied those kids who unapologetically owned/admited their problems.
Yes ,in hisghschool I also envied those who cried publicly
Great video Dave. Didn’t realize that pain versus fear element, makes sense.
The whole “you are not special” and “you are likely typing yourself backwards” and “everyone can do everything” are all going to be things you are repeating for the rest of your life lmao, cause I didn’t get it for probably the first month or two until I was typed. It should seep in eventually after the 10000x’th time for people haha
What were you typed as?
" i didnt get it for the ist month or 2 before i typed myself"
What does that mean?
Why do I love how freaking sarcastic you are. I'm special.
thats actually genius, decider dominant are so in control of their life that they’ve been through alot, thus alot of pain, while observer dominant usually stuck in getting more and more information, making them anxious, genuinely brilliant observation
I couldn't see them either, but now I do since I finally realized exactly what type I am (INTP). Now I sort of see just how much Ti I engage in on a daily basis, and I've been trying to access Fe more by researching ways and testing ways to connect with people. I'm seeing some success (and failures).
So for example, an EXXP (observer) in his mind will constantly worry about being rejected or not being as good compared to his friends, and that can lead to him thinking that he is a (decider) because he thinks that F,T are his 1st and 4th functions which in fact his 2nd and 3rd functions. Is that what you’re saying?
After watching these videos again and again I finally get it
It makes sense to me that you see your 2nd and 3rd function but not your 1st and 4th functions. At least naturally. I probably notice more of my 4th function than the 1st function. The only reason is the 4th function if it does great I'm amazed and it's also the one that messes up more. The 1st function is so normal, you don't even know it's working. It's just always there.
people with social anxiety will think they are deciders.
Well, only thing I can say is this post is consistent with the rest of your system. So good job.
Your so right!! Like I didn't even know I was an Ne dom because I couldn't see it until someone pointed it out to me, lol
I just can't figure out if I'm a decider or an observer :/
My life is full of pain and fear because of trauma and a childhood with a father who was alcoholaddict, so there was a lot of extreme arguments at home.
I have lived in fear because I was in panic all the time that he kills my mother when he was drunk so I always took care of her.
She died before 9 years of a heart attack :'(
I could only handle it because I had my aunt which was always a mother for me, too. I love her as well as I loved my mother, she is also my mother but I always live in fear that she doesn't love me like a mother and I suffer much from loss fear.
But I dream always that she loves me like a mother, I so could go through life.
But all this fear let feel me a lot of pain because I'm suffer from depression, selfharm, inferiorityfeelings, feel worthless and think that she wouldn't miss me if I would die.
Still, I have hope and look forward for the future because I have visions and dreams that I want to make come true, for me but also for the world to make an good impact for others and change. I was always a dreamer and had many ideas what I want to do in the future.
I don't show my inner feelings to others easy. I can speak about my pastexperiences but it is something detached from my feelings then, I just talk about but not about my deepest feelings even though I'm a very emotional, sensitive and compassionate person but also on the very calm, friendly and selfcontrolled.
So, I am very confused about my type and can't figure out which one fits because I'm always introspective I think and ponder, reflect about myself and other things alot. I think that I'm a deep thinker and want always understand.
I would like to tell you that it is definitely possible for an Aunt to love you like a mother. there is always the talk of the love of a mother in our society etc but love is love. it isn't about who is supposed to love who more. I have a niece who I used to look after and when I took her out and people thought I was her Mum I was so proud of her I just went along with it. I love her so much. And my other nieces who I cant see much at the moment. Love has no rules. I think of them all the time and I feel such strong love for them. I don't even see them much now. So if your Aunt has brought you up there is no doubt that she loves you more than you will ever know. You will always have questions and unless you were able to see peoples thoughts you will never understand how others see you. But losing your Mum would have been so hard for you and so hard for your aunt. You are both a special connection for each other to your mum. You obviously have a lot to work through but try not to doubt that you have a safety net of someone who loves you so so much.
Spider under the bed for me haha
I used to jump into the bed from a distance too, so the monster under the bed couldn't grab my legs ;)
I always thought there was someone under my bed with a spear. Is that weirdly specific? Haha.
I did that too!!
When looking into the meaning of the cognitive functions, I was able to kind of tell whether I have Te/Fi or Fe/Ti more easily than seeing if I have Si/Ne or Se/Ni in my 4 functions... Correct me if I am wrong but after seeing this video, I was more sure that I have F/T in my middle functions.. Cool video!
it's true for a long while I thought I was a decider because I had social anxiety, but after getting that out of the way and comparing myself to my decider friends I'm totally not a decider. I freakout about everything around me I just didn't see it at first 😂
After I spend a lot of time contemplating on what function make us balanced in real life basis I figure out it is the 1st function and the 4th one.. With that and as being intp when I want to learn new thongs or break cycle spontaneously my Ne-Si took place here and function while when one to do or make things work in real life (as being detached person) my Ti-Fe function here.. And with different experience I view I make it balance by doing so and for that matter it will be so easy for me and even I don't stresse over my alone / introversion time or dealing with the tribe.
This is very, very interesting and a beautiful way of tying childhood trauma together with personality type. So basically, if a person experince childhood trauma, they would lean more into their observer functions. So, INFPs would lean more into Ne and Si and perhaps look like a more pronounced perciever (P-type) and an IJ would lean more into Ni and Se and look more like perciever than a judger actually.
Very interesting.
Haha definitely found my self watching him are you scared of your parent standing over you saying I hate you, you’re worthless, etc I’m like “eeew yeah okay this is me” and then he goes or are you I have a spider under my bed and blank blank blank” and I just laughed out loud and really cringed. That’s REALLY ME.
all I’m learning is that it’s gonna take me another year to actually type myself because this shit is very fascinating but very confusing. I like that it gives me a procedure to follow but when typing yourself it’s all done through self speculation! So how could I ever really type myself right?!
The self doubt thing is truly eye opening and a pain in the ass.
I'm certain I'm an ENFP observer and not an INFP decider because all I ever do is evaluate my Fi and Te and neglect my Si which is my weakest function.
What if people around me define me differently? I asked some friends very specific questions about me. One of them describes me as the perfect example of a Fi dom, she doesn't know what that means, but her words describe it exactly. On the other hand, another friend of mine gave a very weird and insightful description of Ni, which is also very on point for Ni. And then another described my Fe side as my dominant quality.
What I find most interesting and surprising about it is that its types are respectively: Entj, Esfp and Istp. And each one points out to me the same characteristics of his inferior function. Which makes me believe that maybe the way people see us working is more of a projective and subjective experience than thought
Very good comment! You're definitely on to someting.
People see in you what is DIFFERENT from themselves.
That's SO helpful, because I'm an INFP and I keep wondering why Fi is not only invisible to me, but I hate and devalue it. If I had to guess which type I am from internal experience, it would be anything but INFP, even though I know I behave like an INFP (so irritating). I have seen the same thing in some other INFPs. The ones who deny that this occurs harp on how "unhealthy" the other INFPs are who don't fully embrace their Fi. I have heard people, including INFPs, say that it's fine and even good to "hate" an INFP for being "unhealthy." What is that? This is endlessly annoying and it makes me hate my type even more, and then I feel distress because I cannot talk to other INFPs about being an INFP. I don't find other INFPs generally despicable or even unpleasant, but I find my own lack of understanding and the cognitive dissonance it causes very upsetting at times.
I don't like the idea of one type's suffering being worth 'more' than the other because it's tribe/self pain vs intuition/sensing fear. But, I think it's fairly accurate to point out that someone with an observer first and tribe/self in relative balance will be more likely to have better self esteem(theoretically because they have their perception of the world first and foremost, and then they have their worth to themselves and the tribe pretty much in check) than someone who has self/tribe needs first and foremost and intuition/sensing in balance. I gathered this because I compared myself to others who I believe to be observer doms, most particularly my best friend. I believe I'm an INFP, and I believe she is an INTJ.
INTJ seems to deal with the whole 'you kinda have to dedicate a lot more time to the tribe than yourself' thing better mentally than myself. She also seems to have a clear vision of what she believes, and her Se is usually very unconscious and even unaware, which she points out herself(She isn't into MBTI as a hobby, so this is just me seeing patterns between what she does/says and what I believe her type to be. She took the test once and got INTJ. Of course my understanding is subject to change, and we all know tests aren't always correct or even reliable, but so far it seems accurate in overall idea.) As for me, I'm more comfortable with handling intuition/sensing for my own needs and interests, but balancing time for people is more stressful and I fumble a lot with being consistent in my communication.
I really am open to this idea you're proposing, however. I've wondered about just how unconscious the 4th function is supposed to be and how far along in life it would generally take to get a grasp on dealing with it. Looking back at my past, I can see where I had my own clear perception of reality until a whole bunch of Se or Ne slapped me in the face, and it really scared me that I could be so sure of myself and turn out to be wrong. Also, for the most part I've felt completely fine with doing the bare minimum of social interaction/participation while having a few friends and dedicating a bunch of time to myself. It's really hard to see myself truly being an Ni dom though, much less an Si dom.
This kind of weirdness is why I love MBTI. You can twist your understanding of it around forever.
I can also see where my relationship with self/tribe can be potentially unstable and painful. It really ties in with the decider fear to the point where I'm not sure which one is harder to balance over the other. From there, I guess I'd just figure out which is more unbearable? Or more relatable?
Hoooly carp! This is why ASKING a person to take 16p test doesn't give accurate results. Yeah, thank u OP for showing me what my true battle was!
Thank you!
totally addicted to this channel now
So I typed myself as an INFP but maybe I am an ENFP. I am seeing the Fi Te struggle but maybe that is because I am focused on those middle functions. As a kid I had a lot of fear growing up. Fear of my leg hanging off the bed and then a guillotine was going to come down and cut it off.
Would love an ENFP video to see if it resonates with me. :)
Yes!!!! Nailed it. I shall call you "fang man".
Yes, Fang Man, I've literally taken the test 4 or 5 times on different sites. Paid for one. And researched it for the last year. Haha.
I just had an epiphany! I just was sending a tweet. Realize I talk about fears. Then tried to see my old tweets and old status on fb. Dang, then I remember this video. At first i didn't understand it coz of course I'm an idiot hahaha. Now I do. Thanks dave.
I guess I’m an ENTP due to crippling social anxiety.
Awesome! Good stuff.
"When you're trying to figure out what to do with your life and nobody likes you and you're a piece of shit and you're scared"
Hey. Look pal, I came here for this sort of truth bomb, but that doesn't mean I wanted to hear it.
I want you to be more clearified when you explain. For example, You said "Deciders trump Observers. But it doesnt matter because you feel like shit whenever your identity is treathened."
I cannot understand why "Deciders trump Observers" at all.
Exactly. This video and this guy does not explain shi1t.
So, just to be sure ... FEARing tribe hate is "PAIN"?
I think what he means by pain is more like one's ego being hurt. because when the tribe's image of you doesn't comply with your image of yourself, it hurts.
@@edgypsych116 This was very helpful. Thanks. I have an anxiety disorder, but when I read your comment, I realized that is usually identity-related.
@@wotchermystic2335 no problem dude, glad i could help
For those who might not get it, think of the difference between depression and anxiety
I would guess I'm a single observer, but then I guess that makes me a single decider, because I can see my observer functions O_o
I guess this could explain why I typed myself as an INTP when Im starting to think I’m actually an ENTP.
Feels like everything's supposed to revolve around negativity?
Changed my life.
I'm an anxious wreck, so... am I an observer type or am I just completely unaware of my pain?
I also thought I had determined that I have Fi/Te in the middle, but if self- evaluation isn't easy, can I have those wrong?
I've lost track of how long I've spent contesting my type. It's true, I see the thinking and feeling imbalance, and because I know that the visible functions are towards the middle, I've known that I'm an observer. Though admittedly I can't say with much certainty, as I have little empirical data, the anecdotes and tests have pointed in the general direction of INTJ. I know with darn near complete certainty that I've got Fi over Fe, because I couldn't give the faintest care about the feelings or values of others. Perhaps this is a manifestation of Te, I care about the truth. My values are my values because I know them to be true. In regard to the sensing-intuition imbalance, I'm mostly lost. I could ramble on about my inclinations, but my inclinations aren't really important here, are they?
Questions:
1. Pain & Fear.
Can you please convince me that these are mutually exclusive.
2. Nor, do I see how Deciders & Observers are mutually exclusive. *BUT* , it's easier to make sense out of them being opposites because they are closer to being opposites on a scale...
Definitively.
So, with that, do you find that Deciders Observe after deciding? While, Observers do so before &/or as means to Decide?
And, when you say:
"Deciders > Observers" ....
Do you mean they Decide sans Observation? Or...?
Thanks in advance 😎
I don't understand the terms "double decider," "single observer," etc.... If I look at my stack, I have 2 of each(In order, Ni, Te, Fi, Se). What is the criteria for single vs double decider/observer? Thanks in advance
@@microblot Thanks. What does "double decider" mean, beyond the explanation you just gave?
@@microblot Yes.
@@microblot Thank you.
@@microblot who are the single deciders and single observers please?
This was very helpful
It's not that pain trumps fear but it's that a certain type deals with pain better because they all go through it and vice versa
I think I'm a decider though. Guess this video is something. Dammit Dave!... Hahahahah
Ok I think I'm starting to understand.
So when I think about things going bad I think about getting lost in a bus, a bug touching me or begin in the streets and someone stabbing me. That's fear I guess.
Sure I've been in pain stages like not knowing who am I but I think I can handle it.
Also funny how when I started typing me I only saw Fe and Ti in me. And I only knew that the sensor one was the last.
okay, I know I'm 2 years too late to this party, but I have a question.
I've been typed as an intj by the 16personailties.com test (I know great source. lol.) and for the most part it seems to describe a lot of who I am well. I suspect that I at least share the 4 functions of an Intj. I am at the point where i'm doubting my result for a number of reasons - first and foremost among the reasons being that I don't have the confidence that almost all of those cites tend to attribute to an intj. I believe my 2 demon functions to be Fi and some form of Sensing (best guess Se). Some confusion I have is along the difference between Ni and Si ;but I don't think that I'm Ne. This brings me to my main question, How does something like social anxiety affect type? or does it? are more types prone to it, I mean it seems like its a type of fear would this make it more likely for observers to have anxiety? would this mean that i am the type that i'm doubting I am?
man I just wish I knew who I was so I could get better
I spent over a year thinking I was an INFJ because the 16personalities.com and other online tests told me so. I would also read the type and functions descriptions and say "oh, that Fe is totally me!" lol. I was wrong.
I think that social anxiety does not "affect" your type, but it would be, generally speaking, related to the tribe problems and, thus, single deciders (IxxP and ExxJ) struggles. Now, if you're talking about generalized anxiety and panic attacks, I think it relates more to single observers (IxxJ and ExxP) struggles.
Just keep consuming their videos and you'll have a better idea of how their system work, which is way different from the MBTI.
To know who you really are, just dig into yourself. MBTI, the OP System, and Jung's theories are tools you can use to do that.
@@vitoriamartins8387 Thanks, that's a really cool reply. I'll think about this more. also their system makes way more sense than base MBTI if only for the functions actually having a description that makes sense. It appeals to me greatly.
When you have social anxiety because of pain caused by people are you a decider or an observer?
You are ak obcider
I'm glad that I've found this video but, I also regret it at the same time .. thanks anyway 💔😂😂
Ok now that i know that im confuse knowing that im into a paradox what i am going to do is evaluate what is the priority of my life. Am i balancing more fear or pain ?
😐im a INTP, my life involve around pleasing the groups and im pretty sure about it
I’m confused how do you get the combination of the letters FETIETC?
How can I be observer but still be a double decider as an intj. And can you be an observer and still organize instead of gather? I feel like I am saying nonsense but I would appreciate some help!!
Ok...so I can see my deciders (thought I was an IXTP), instead, I'm probably a IJ or EP, IMO T>F for me (may be biased), so that leaves ENTP, INTJ, ISTJ, ESTP. Now I'm stuck again. Asked one of my friend and mum to type me (through an online test, they don't really care about mbti or the cognitive functions) and they both type me as an INTP before this though. May be an ENTP?
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16personalities typed me as an INTP but after looking up a good amount of info I'm now not sure. I might even be an INTJ. How the hell do I find out?
Look which functions _you_ use. That website doesn't adress the cognitive functions. INTPs and INTJs share zero functions, so their minds work very differently, despite sometimes appearing similarly at first glance.
INTP: Ti Ne Si Fe
INTJ: Ni Te Fi Se
Do you care about things making sense or do you care more about having a clear idea how to achieve doing whatever you currently want to do? First is INTP, second is INTJ.
But you said in a video istps are just kinda screwed, if the can't find a tribe. So am supposed to find a tribe or not? So confused 😮😂😂
What do you mean by pain? According to Myers Briggs I’m typed as an ENTJ. I never feel included in the tribe. When I was younger I was this “cool” kid who always was alone. I have to admit that I have tried a 1000 times to fit in (by being nice or things that people value) but I always lose interest and appreciate myself and my company more. But it hurts not being a part of something (I know, it’s weakness to feel hurt by it!). At the end of the day I don’t care about others and I put my self first so I don’t seek for validation (anymore) . I just want to do my job and succeed. Is that pain or fear?
Pain-double observer /single decider
I think I understand the first four letters but what does it mean underneath FITIFE and TE?
ok this is facts , im a infp i took the test 4 times infp all 4 times , but I'm keep thinking that im Ne dominant , lol i know i have Fi but i think im Ne dominat this explains why i guess
Dude I don't know. Am I intp or intj and know with that mirrored thinking I don't understand anything about me anymore and just want me and my friends and parents to fill this sheed over me...but how do I get this and how can I analyze it?
Am I the only one starting to think that at this meta-meta-meta level they’re just talking about their OWN blind spots and that it looks like a double loop = conspiracy theory??
Hey :) what book did you read? Or source i like your content alot cheers
While this is a lot of information to process, I think it makes sense. I've been confident that I'm a feeling type, even though I feel logical at times. However, I have struggled for a while to identify if I'm an S or N type as a dom. There seems to be a lot of overlap because I'm often overserving (whether that's my surroundings, external data like UA-cam videos or playing a video game, and also my internal thoughts).
I think I'm still a bit confused though. I've almost solidly landed on being an ENFP. I continuously want to gather more information and make connections to myself, to my past, to other people, etc.
If this video is saying we can't see our 1st and 4th functions, yet I'm confident that I'm a feeling type with logic coming second to that, then that would solidly make me a ExxP or IxxJ. While my E and I seem to fluctuate a lot, I'm pretty confident I'm not a J. So that means I'm an ESFP or ENFP.
If we can't see our 1st and 4th functions than how to we confidently identify which of those we are? I'm asking that more as a hypthetical question. I've done a lot of research and self-reflection, and I'm pretty sure I'm not a dominate Se type, because anything most things that require me to push myself physically in the real world is incredibly draining to me. As me to brainstorm ideas or create some fantasy world or something and I get super passionate. Doing things like that makes time move at a different rate. One hours could feel like 10 minutes. On the flip side, tell me to go to a gym, and 10 minutes feels like an hour. Lol.
As an ENTP, I think it's incorrect to say I can't see Ne in action. It's literally in every aspect of my behavior, thoughts, desires. Even when Ti-Fe combo is taking over my thoughts, I can still see the need to "gather" perspectives, information, etc. It's a constant exploration. Am I retarded to say this orrrrr ???? To me, I feel like I'm mostly controlled by Ne, but Ti keeps it on a leash when the time for action or deciding takes place. Am I imagining this? I'll agree it's difficult to see the 4th manifest to the same degree.
Nope. Same here. I'm an IJ and all I can think about is what I'm gonna do next and precisely how I'm gonna do it. What I'm struggling with is whether I'm cold & calculating or warm but distant.
I'm no expert on jungian writings, but my understanding is jung's view/research was that people would not see the inferior function in themselves because it's pushed into the unconscious, in opposition to the dominant function, which is conscious. And the whole reason it's the inferior function is because its process is in an oppositional relationship with the dominant; to use OPS metaphor, it's two sides of a coin and you can't have both conscious at the same time. I don't know where he's getting the idea that both the dominant and inferior are something you can't see. From what I've read/heard and remember, jung didn't even say much about the idea of middle functions or a function stack, for that matter. He was observing the relationship between the dominant and the inferior attitude. That's not to say Dave is necessarily wrong considering he's done some observations of his own, but he mentioned jung in relation to this, so I wanted to make a point there.
ahhh.....If all the time i had a lot of objective arguments of what i am an ISTJ(ISxJ),and recently gave a guess that i might be an TI-Si,i feel a bit confused...Hmm.So,if i have been seeing that i definitely have a TE and Fi(ISTJ),than does it mean i am definitely an ISTJ?Oh,if i have really have Ti,than there are even more questions...
R u still going to run the rcsuperpower YT
I had to watch this a number of times. But, the one theme of my 47 years, whether times are good or bad, is anxiety. I'm always worried about the future and things that haven't even happened yet. So I'm probably an observer?
Odd enough same here. Not always worried about my future but man I can count on times I have been anxious.
Thinking how I'd cope if a loved one died
Being anxious for having some issue in school and feeling stuck
Going through something currently and things just be triggering some anxiety.😂
I actually sat here wincing in 'pain' when Dave was talking about your parents standing over your bed telling you what a piece of shit you are etc. I'm a fucking married man with kids, but even now that shit makes me do a feel.
(IP).
Oof, same
Does that mean deciders have it harder than observers? I literally had a conversation with my observer friend about how my life revolves around pain all the freaking time. And in the meantime, I could not understand (or respect) why he’s so much driven by fear. That was way before I learned about deciders and observers
Why r u selling rcsuperpower
I didn't really understanding the blindspot thing. I can see my dominant function much more clearly, I know i'm an introverted thinker. According to this video it would be easier to see myself as an extraverted intuitive?? Is it partly due to my opinion that Ne doms are more extraverted in their thinking (more jumping from one topic to another) and I know I don't really enjoy that level of variety? I'm INTP btw.
Who else has depression which blew everything out of the water.
I was afraid of clowns when I was a kid
I've never felt like a POS -INTJ
GodlessGoddess I constantly feel like a worthless POS -INTJ
Well for me as INxJ so confusing, then you have both judging deciding functions on middle, then you need decide, what you want to dress or what how rightfully choose a words, what want you say and tooks long to me make quick decision so I was asking for advice and makes me not talkative and sometimes swear if something bad happens or feel a bit frustrated, if you need create new account, make username and especially password, lol, but I am involving on these weaknesses and actually more easier now
@@Arlyon9999 I also constantly feel like a worthless POS -non intj
Does it change when u r told time amd time again that u do something like i think that i am a ne because everyone in my life is telling me ur late for this u procrastinated on that ur room is messy ur handwriting sucks u cant focus etc but at the same time i have a very personal regiment like if i go out i usually go out in the same few places if i make food indo it the same qay and hate if people dont do it the way i like it. But also at the aame time when it comes to school i am classed as scatter brained and usually "jump to conclusions"( even though I am right most of the time)
Being told those things is part of being of school age. That isn't your personality, just people looking out for you in their own way. Although it sometimes might not feel like it.
Are you an infp?
Do certain Animals combinations make this more or less pronounced? For example, a Play-Consume ESFP has Se in both of her preferred Animals, whereas a Play-Blast ESFP has Ni in his second Animal. Does the Play-Blast ESFP seem relatively more balanced with his Observer functions than the Play-Consume ESFP? Conversely, does the Play-Consume ESFP seem relatively more balanced with her Decider functions than the Play-Blast ESFP?
what's the grapth at 3:53
thanks 🙏🏻
what if people keep telling u what u are for example i think im ne this is because im constantly told your lazy you disorganised you need to be organised. i think this is because the sensory bores me and the ne makes m ungorganised
Funny How This Is True For Me An INFP..But Isn't Ti A Fear And Se A Pain For An INFJ For Example?
Deciders trump Observers?
So I am a bit late but mb someone will find this usefull. In Cognitive Psychology we have something caled cognitiv ABC. You can look it up but what is important here is that emotions generate emotions. So you can find people and you will also do this shit. You fear the pain and you starty to feel pain because all that fear. You need to dig a bit to understand why you feel that shit.
sooooo ghosts and the "unatural" are things? therefore if you are afraid of those beings/entities that kind of makes you an observer but then again, those people that are trying to go ghost hunting are deciders even though they are scared about them, they still throw themselves in to those entities precense just to know the truth?
can I be extroverted while still being an IxxP/IxxJ?
Or is this only used to tell what my saviour is?
Till Galler With IxxJ, it's more likely that you're socially extraverted because of auxiliary Je (Te or Fe). Je makes it very easy to be socially extraverted--and usually for a purpose. In fact, IxFJs are the most extraverted of introverts due to Fe (and Fe is very social and interpersonal).
The thing is, that I have thought I was an ENFP for most of my life but because of DaveSuperPowers very well thought out new ways I get into doubting my type even more than I did already. Same with the P and J "stereotypes". I am 20yo and a lazy bastard. I thought I might be an ISTJ according to the DSP-theories but I cannot think of myself as 1st an introvert and 2nd an industrious and conscientious because the evidence (and also my mother) say otherwise.. I struggle too hard to type myself please help me.
Till Galler First off, what did DPS say that contradicted you being ENFP--like, for an example, you using Si a lot? Inferior functions are hard to control and repress, which is why the two middle functions are developed to give more balance between the polar functions. ISTJs CAN be lazy and inconscientious, but for not most of the times and under specific conditions (for say being unemployed for a while). ENFPs, like ISTJs, are double deciders, with Fi-Te being in the middle of Ne and Si. That can be confusing if a tertiary function is strong (ISTJ having a strong Fi or ENFP having a strong Te). The fact that you're low conscientious and not industrious makes it likely that you're still ENFP.
Till Galler Someone help me as well, cuz I'm not ideal at this, lol, but as Dave says, start small. Which is a bigger issue for you - identity or control/chaos?
IDENTITY - you think you're an awesome person, but others can't see it, so you have problems fitting in, and it really bothers you? Or do you find you fit in really well with others, but you are confused about your own identity/dislike yourself?
OR
CONTROL/CHAOS
Do you seek to have an ordered environment and get overwhelmed when new information threatens to destroy this environment? Or do you actively seek new information and thrive in chaos?
Till Galler no need to go for all of this to understand your self , you could ask the opposite : can you be introverted at same time been ENFP
yup this happen a lot to ENFP's also ENTP's been introverted and extroverted because weird system that they have , you can see them with others very social and extremely fun at same time they take break from all of this
ENTP's back to their Ti because they see there is something more important then having fun at same time they ok been alone since they have the ultimate imagination things and stuff
ENFP's back to Fi , to their deep emotions and feel free once again at same time they ok been alone since they have the ultimate imagination things and stuff too , ( but ENFP's is more sensitive to loneliness then ENTP's because Feeling system as second faction ).
You're intelligent
1:20 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I see dead functions 😮😂😂
I know exactly who I am
Getting frustrated by the lack of definitions and contradictions in these videos. What exactly is "pain" vs "fear"? What does it mean for the average person that "pain" > "fear", if observers' lives apparently revolve around fear and not pain? Are you saying observers can SEE their fear and deciders can SEE their pain, and that this is a tool for a true diagnostic test on yourself, or the continuous message of "the one you SEE if actually the opposite!"? Definitely one of the most directionless yet.
Emily Liu
Pain = The feeling when your identity is invalidated. Rejection, shame, not feeling good enough, not feeling worthy.
Fear = When you perieve a threat, but are uncertain of what it is, where it is,or why it is. Anxiety, stress, confusion, terror.
Double deciders can be fearful of identity/tribe issues. Because one of their observer functions is so weak, they can have a hard time 'observing' the information needed to decide whether they really are experiencing tribe issues. Whether the tribe problems are actually real or just imagined. Single observers are "blind in one eye" I guess you could say. And so become afraid of that missing information.
Double Observers, by contrast, are not unsure about their tribe related issues. They are not 'blind in one eye', and so can observe all of the information they need to make an accurate assessment of their tribe/identity problems. There is no fear of missing information and uncertainty. Single deciders know about their tribe/identity issues. But they WILL have a hard time figuring out why these problems even exist in the first place. And so they feel straight pain of rejection.
Single deciders: why does everyone hate me? Why am I not good enough? Why am I not respected?
Single observers: what's going on? Did I miss something? Can you tell me EXACTLY what they said?
You need to watch the videos more than once, otherwise you'll just get confused.
Emily Liu Just to clarify further. Double observers will be blind to their self/tribe issues. Meaning, they won't understand the source of their pain because they have not put the time into comparing and contrasting the strongest/weakest functions. They understand the tension between their two observer functions though. They understand where fear emergers and why it emerges. They are constantly comparing and contrasting them, and so have an acute understanding of fear. But they do not understand their pain. The same is true of double deciders.
Again, you need to watch these videos multy times. You need to sit with them and rework them to find what you're looking for. You can't be lazy.
@@HitomiAyumu I absolutely feel both equally though. What then? I have a depression related to shame, invalidation worthlessness etc but also suffer from anxiety, stress and terror. I have been so strict on myself with writing down when i felt each thing but they are pretty equal. And this has been constant throughout my life. And so I have to make myself fit in to the model by choosing one or the other. A constant problem with myers briggs. I don't think these things are opposites. I don't think they are on an axis or two sides of a coin. Especially with certain mental health conditions. I don't believe in this case you have to choose one or the other. By your definition anyway. The reasons behind these feelings are trackable i'm sure. But I think people suffering with depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, anxiety or other mental health problems might find it harder to say where they fit? That's just a theory.
So you can see all your decider turmoil and think "I'm a decider" ??
As Spock would say "illogical."
can you please be more clear about what you're saying?
I am ESFP In my opinion if you are introverted your last extroverted function makes you scared because you can't cotrol your last function
I feel like your videos are to vague. Like the animal videos one made sense the other didn’t make any clear statements. I like your theories but it can sound pretty wisher-washey.
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I completely agree. I can see something here but I think you need a lot of previous knowledge to understand these little tid bits. And the other videos when there are the two of them is confusing because they both get excited, talk over each other and talk to each other rather than thinking about what is being expressed to the audience. I'm not dissing the theories. I can see there is something here, I am just struggling to see what it is!
INTP here. It's very easy to notice I'm mostly in Ti mode and very comfortable staying there. I made big decisions in life without consulting my Fe, which comes back to haunt me. I agree it's painful not to know what one wants due to the imbalance. I think people can type themselves without this additional confusion.
@@Arlyon9999 Not all information is relevant to the task at hand however...