Welsh DNA: What’s the Genetic (DNA) History of Wales? A Window Into Post-Ice-Age Britain
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Welsh DNA: What’s the Genetic (DNA) History of Wales? A Window Into Post-Ice-Age Britain
The genetic history of Wales shows that the Welsh are the most genetically similar to the people of ancient Britain following the last ice age compared to other groups in the British Isles. The reason for this is simple geography.
This is a map of Wales in the context of Europe. Over the centuries, the main migrations and invasions into Britain have come from the Vikings sailing from Scandinavia to the northeast of Britain, the Anglo-Saxons from the east, from places such as Denmark and Germany, and the Normans from modern France. The geography of Wales has meant that it is sheltered from the brunt of these migrations to a large degree. Furthermore, it seems that at times when there was foreign migrations into Britain, ancient Britons fled west to Wales for safety.
This is not to say that Wales was immune from invasions, with the Romans conquering large parts of Wales for instance, but they never had the same degree of migration patterns as other countries. The Anglo-Saxons left a notable genetic legacy on much of England for instance, and the Vikings left a notable genetic impression on Scotland, yet Wales seems to have escaped such impressions.
There is more to the story however. Various studies have noted a north/south split in Wales. Professor Peter Donnelly, a professor of statistical science at Oxford University, who conducted a 2012 study on Welsh DNA, stated that “people in north Wales look relatively distinct from people in south Wales."
The People of British Isles study also found that Wales forms a distinct genetic group from the rest of Britain, with a further division between north and south Wales. In fact, this study found that “north and south Wales are about as distinct genetically from each other as are central and southern England from northern England and Scotland.” This north-south division corresponds well with the ancient kingdoms of Gwynedd (gwinneth) in the north and Dyfed (Daved) in the south.
As we have seen, the Welsh are the most genetically similar to the earliest settlers of the British Isles after the last ice age than any other group in the British Isles. What’s your thoughts...
Sources:
Settlers: Genetics, Geography and the Peopling of Britain - Oxford University Museum of Natural History - www.oum.ox.ac.uk/settlers/
Oxford University Museum of Natural History - Genetic Ancestry and the People of the British Isles • Genetic Ancestry and t...
University of Oxford - Who do you think you really are? A genetic map of the British Isles www.ox.ac.uk/news/2015-03-19-...
University of Oxford - People of the British Isles - Population Genetics and Facial Genetics www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ www.peopleofthebritishisles.o...
BBC News, Welsh people could be most ancient in UK, DNA suggests www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-1...
#wales #history #dna
Chapters:
0:00 Welsh DNA
1:40 North/South Genetic Split
2:45 Support
Wales also had Irish population invasions in north-west and south-west of Wales. The Irish Desi tribe into south-west Wales Dyfed area, for instance.
Thanks Huw
I actually forgot to include a bit about the Irish but I did read about it in relation to the north/south split. One example:
He said people from south and north Wales genetically have "fairly large similarities with the ancestry of people from Ireland on the one hand and France on the other, which we think is most likely to be a combination of remnants of very ancient populations who moved across into Britain after the last Ice Age."
Apparently, the river (Neath) which runs through the middle of Neath, the town where I live, was at one time the border between 'Welsh' Wales and 'Irish' Wales so it's possible that my father's family has some Irish lineage. Then centuries later, in Victorian times, my mother's family emigrated here from Tipperary. I may be more Irish than anything else. History is a funny (and interesting) old thing.
@@madcyclist58 Fascinating, thank you
The Deisi and Ui Liethan in Dyfed, Carmarthen, and Gower, the Laigin in the Lheyn Peninsula, and the Feni (Northwestern Irish) in the land which became the Kingdom of Gwynedd.
Would love more information on this! My family is genetically Southern Welsh on my mom's side, and my husbands family is largely Northern Welsh on his dad's side, and we are just fascinated by all the history since discovering this.
Please let me know your thoughts below...
I actually forgot to include a bit more information outside the reference to the Kingdom of Dyfed about the Irish influence in relation to the north/south split. One example from Professor Donnelly in Welsh people could be most ancient in UK, DNA suggests www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18489735:
'He said people from south and north Wales genetically have "fairly large similarities with the ancestry of people from Ireland on the one hand and France on the other, which we think is most likely to be a combination of remnants of very ancient populations who moved across into Britain after the last Ice Age."'
The Roman historian Tacitus in his book Britain and Germany was the first to notice this difference between the Welsh and other Britons. He compared the Caledonians/Picts with the Silures of south Wales. He noted that the Caledonains/Picts resembled the Germanic tribes, while the Silures resembled the Iberian tribes. The reason for this was because Wales had less Bell Beaker folk settling there than the rest of Britian during the early Bronze Age. So the Silures still looked like the Neolithic peoples who in turn were much darker like the Iberians.
It is often said that the Silures and the original Picts were racially-connected, belonging to the Atlanto-Mediterranean type and its descendants.
@@celtictuathism4585 All Britons during the Stone Age would have been Atlanto-Mediterranean. The Bell Beaker invasion reduced the Stone Age population to around 10% during the early Bronze Age. Nevertheless more of them appear to have survived in Wales than elsewhere in Britain. Welsh DNA has more pre Bronze Age influence than either Scottish, English or Irish. This can sometimes be seen as phenotypicaly different. i.e. the steriotypical dark Welsh person.
Was there a connection between Wales and Cornwall since both had been thought of as Celtic nations? Can anyone recommend a site on Cornwall or books? My great grandmother was born in Camborne. She married a miner from the area. All the men in my paternal line are miners and a handful met their deaths in the mines. Any suggestions on where to even start looking for info?
I am Anglo-Celtic. Welsh = Briton. There is no difference
@@southernlady5085
The Cornish are Brythons, as are the Cymru, the Bretons, the Cumbrians, and many other people in England. We share languages, though they have become distinct from each othersince the Anglo-Saxon age. Additionally, both southern Cymru and Cornwall were settled by the Ui Liathain and other septs from Ireland in the era following Roman occupation. Celtic Myths and Legends by Peter Berresford Ellis is a good place to start in terms of Cornish legends.
A lot of good information in such a small amount of time - great work mate.
Thank you, much appreciated
My grandmothers maiden name was Arter and told me she was welsh. I do not know much of her family as she was very mysterious about them and I never met them to my knowledge. But this was fascinating information as I dig deeper into finding out more of the arter ancestry! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks
Great Video. I live in Brecon / South powys. My Grandmothers Maiden name Was Doyle.
Thanks Charlie
I have no Irish dna whatsoever, nor in my family tree. My Welsh ancestors were from north east Powys, around Meifod, Mochnant & Mechain, which were cantrefs around the Vyrnwy. What surprised me the most was that it was not the English, nor any other foreign invader that killed our royal house of Mathrafal, but that of Owain Gwynedd, another Welshman. Roedd o’n gas. I curse him!
I believe my Welsh ancestors were there from the year dot…you can go back and back and they’re still Welsh!
You probably have Spanish Celt dna .
1:00 Wales is also mountainous. So they're sheltered from any genetic influence. The Welsh are descendants of British Beaker folk and 10% Stone age survivors. They're genetically detached from any population. Including Celts and Romans.
Conquest doesn't mean genetic influx of course.
By the 10% Stone Age do you mean the og Hunter gatherer people or Neolithic Farmers?
@@JHouston62 the two aren't mutually exclusive as the farmers mixed with the hunter gatherers
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 Oh I see, so they’re like 10% pre Celtic or Pre Indo European migration?
@@JHouston62 did I say stone age?
Yes?
Than obviously pre Indo-European. The Indo-Europeans brought about the Bronze Age.
really ? how come i have 5% wales , and 6% Scottish , DNA if that is the case , the rest is just Iberian
If I recall correctly, in or around the 10th/11th century Flemish settlers came as weavers to take advantage of the wool produced in Wales. I found ancestors from Wales in my family tree. They were Normans, or at least French who came with the Normans and settled in Wales and seemed to blend in with the population. Bryant was the surname that made it to Virginia colony in the 17th century
This is interesting and enlightening. My paternal line is Welsh, great info for the fam.
Cymro 👊
I am 76% Welsh and 24% English. I cheer for both teams in soccer and rugby.
With those you call it Soccer 😧
The term "after the last Ice age" seems disingenuous as it could be any time period ever. People often think Neolithic farmers or iron age Celts, being, after the last ice age. But the reality is British natives from a Single Grave variant of the Bell-beaker culture.
Informative as always your videos
Celtic culture is little known especially in Italy although we had gaulish presence here we need informations about your great civilization.
Thanks my friend! 😊
🇮🇹🇮🇪🏴🏴
Thanks Davide
Apparently, there’s a village or two up in the mountains in northern Italy where the population has been practically untouched from Roman times.
I can’t remember what it was called, just that I was surprised this little Celtic outpost survived the Roman conquest.
Trying to jog my memory, I found the village “Fiumalbo” which is supposed to be a Celtic village but idk if it’s the one I’d heard of before.
The word "civilisation"...pertains to living in towns. Hence mostly not the Celts - we had an advanced society, culture, aetwork etc....but were very strongly rural. The first city in Ireland was Waterford...created by Vikings. The Welsh & Irish Druids all revered Anglesea ( Mona )....the Vatican of Druidism.
Celtic italo male haplo group is the same family both groups excel on the iron 🐎
I have heritage from across Britain and Ireland in my family tree from the paternal side so there’s probably some Welsh in there too going back 🏴💯
A small correction on the pronunciation of “dyfed”, you said it like (da-ved) when it’s a (duh-ved). The ‘a’ sound makes it sound more like the Welsh for David (Dafydd).
Gwynedd was spot on though.
Thank you, duly noted
Rhys ap Gruffudd, Prince of South Wales is my 26th great grandfather. (Birth:1123...Dynevor Castle, Llandilio, Carmarthenshire, Wales...in that same line Einion ab Owain, Prince of Deheubarth is my 32nd great grandfather. (Birth: circa 935 / Death: 984 (44-53) (killed in battle by Hywel and Iestyn ap Owain ap Morgan Hen)
Very interesting to hear as a Welshman with Irish and Scottish heritage. Thanks for the video mate!
Interesting as always
Thanks Mid
The old Belgians from very old Belgian on the seaside areas and lower and who spoke a Belgian P Celtic language can solve a little bit your mistery. Do a study on those 3 old Belgian tribes from old Belgium and a little bit lower. There are some links. There was a landbridge in those days, the channel didn't exist and they were hunting after Reindeers in the somer who went to old Britain and came back in the winter. There where at least 4 important Belgian Celtic waves in the past. Greetings from Belgium. Some day someone from Belgium will be able to reconstruct that old P Celtic language. Belgian Celtic languages, Southern Brythonnic was the closest language to that one.
The Belgae.
I have always thought the Belgian tribes have been overlooked. I wonder how close the dna of these tribes were to the Saxon invaders. It might explain a few things.
Belgae tribe of gauls
Cymru = the land of the gauls
Y gwir yn erbyn y byd
I'm Welsh and my maternal grandmother was English, but my DNA shows no English it show Welsh 70% Irish 19% Scottish 9% and 2% Swedish-Danish. How strange is that, I don't know much about my grandmothers family as she was essentially ostracised after she married my Welsh grandfather. Her family were devout Catholic and my grandfather Welsh Baptist, so I can see some compatibility issues.
Great videos mate! Keep it up
Thanks mate
Interested, since the west coast of England from Wales up to the western lowlands of Scotland, was called the “Hen Ogledd” (the Old North in Old Welsh), and connected culturally to Wales. From the British Peoples study it suggests another distinct Neolithic era group in the Hen Ogledd who were Brythonic, were also “Welsh” so to speak - which really meant they were “waleis” or foreign to the Old English/Anglo-Saxons.
I find this series great! while looking at my 3% Wales DNA and 1% Baltics. Because, most of my DNA come from southern Africa.
I found out that I have 3 percent of my DNA from Wales 7 percent Norway and 4 percent Irish
I would love to know where surname Howell mostly lived. 🙂
I’m Welsh, I have no Irish DNA at all,
you are Iberian Celt
but you have iberian if you a old stock welsh guy
Very interesting
Cheers Scott
I'm North Welsh (Anglesey) and my DNA was tested years ago and came back as indigenous pre-roman something or other, I was just glad not to be English lol.
I didn't think much to it, being the amount of time that's past I would have thought the DNA of everyone would be a mix. That being said It also showed I had 5% Neanderthal DNA.. But I'm not and neither is anyone in my family Ginger and that supposed to be a Neanderthal trait apparently ? IDK. As for North Wales and South being different in looks.. yeah I agree with that, we do look different. North Welsh being V.pale Brown green eyes, brown hair. I can't tan.
Still a very interesting video, ta very much !!!
I'm from the South East of wales and mine came back the same, a mix of briton tribes around the todays boarders. Very interesting. My family on my mam and Dads side are quite swarty with curly hair also.
So, what do they typically look like?
How do you know that the Welsh are close to the earliest inhabitants of Britain after the ice age ? How do you know who these first inhabitants were if, say, they were a small population, mainly eliminated and left little genetic trace. You only know that the Welsh represent (mostly) an earlier population group than all the later ones that being more recent are more easily detectable. I suspect that the earliest inhabitants would have been very low population-density hunter gatherers, largely displaced (though not to the extent that they will have left literally zero genetic trace) by farming people whose ultimate origin would have been Asia Minor and the middle East (and who spread through Europe through 2 main routes, along sea coasts through the Mediterranean and Atalantic coasts and through central Europe via the Danube valley). Farming will have sustained much higher population densities and so would have overwhelmed the hunter gatherers in the gene pool. Next there seems to have been (so I have read) a significant turn-over of population in the British Isles around the mid to late 3rd millenium BC, probably associated with the arrival of, or knock on influence from, the spread of people from the East European/West Asian steppe who were also associated with the spread of Indo-European languages. All this before we even get anywhere near the arrival of Celtic (speaking), Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Viking or Norman incomers with their own distinctive genetic admixtures.
what about the DNA of Gower in southern Wales and the population of the little England in Wales?
A lot of Irish DNA went into Wales once the Romans left
You're right mate, I actually forgot to include a bit about the Irish but I did read about it in relation to the north/south split. One example:
'He said people from south and north Wales genetically have "fairly large similarities with the ancestry of people from Ireland on the one hand and France on the other, which we think is most likely to be a combination of remnants of very ancient populations who moved across into Britain after the last Ice Age."'
@@celtichistorydecoded Cool thanks for that
Irish most likely went north tho
I say that bcos it would take forever to travel around the country since North Wales was a lot closer
@@kazuhassideprofileswifey2179 the Irish invaded Anglesey and the kingdoms of hen ogledd sent a combined army of 10,000 men to push out the invading Irish. And while doing so, they lost some of there land to the Anglo Saxons
It is my understanding that Britain had a strong Neolithic component originating from Anatolia starting around 6000 years ago and ending around 4300 years ago with the arrival of the Beaker people. Genetic studies suggest the Beaker people replaced the Neolithic population of Britain by 90%. Do you know whether any of the distinction between the people of north and south Wales has anything to do with ancient Neolithic and Beaker ancestry?
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there is 2 different neolithic Anatolian admixtures one Mediterranean Sardinia and one Balkans central Europe you need to find which one you carry, celtic related people carry the austrian gernanic one
The near oldest arrival of r1b in ireland eu 18 is said date to around 6000 yr this is concentrated in conaught.
I ve also found reference to r1b western scotland 7000 yr
Scot Welsh w splash of Sweeden. And all this time I thought I was Irish lol thanks DNA
My Y-DNA is R1b-M222, which originates from Northwestern Ireland, and my MTDNA is H45b, which is concentrated in the lands of the Erainn.
How do you extract this from the DNA info on Ancestry?? I’m so close in finding my roots. It’s been a dream to find my ancestors’ countries of origin. So much was lost after people came to the USA. My Norwegian relatives even changes their names to sound more English.
@@southernlady5085
I tested with 23andme and then downloaded the raw data and uploaded it to a number of other sites. I am not sure whether or not Ancestry tests for Y-DNA and MTDNA, but other sites such as FTDNA offer an extensive insight into these features.
@@celtictuathism4585 Thanks ever so much for this info !
I wonder if the Welsh carry the R1A1 or R1B1 genes or are part of their haplogroups
Yes we do, I'm from West Wales and I've tested through FTDNA. My Y DNA is R-L371 downstream from R1b.
@@andrewapbrianthomas5865 it does not matter what matters is to which people your ancestors admixed with some low land people carry haplo r1b and are not celts
Will we ever break this long held belief that the English are Anglo Saxon and the rest of the British isles are Celtic.
Lots and lots of Scot’s are Anglo Saxon
English is a Germanic culture and Germanic language. So therefor they’re Germanic. Not to mention a large % of the English genetic make up, especially in the south of England, is Germanic.
The one maddening thing about the British Isles study is that, great... the people of Wales are genetically the closest to the original inhabitants of the British Isles... who were what? What haplogroup? I2a? The Old North and the Cumbric language was supposed to have extended all the way up to Strathclyde Scotland (the Britons), and the Wallaces and others were said to have migrated to that area from Wales (hence the name), so why don't we see that Northern Welsh DNA in the DNA of Strathclyde?
It could possibly still be there but only a small margin. The stories of hen ogledd mention that a lot of the people in the kingdoms moved into what is north east wales and all so the Cheshire area after the Anglo Saxons invaded them. There’s a story that mentions that the kingdoms of hen ogledd formed an army of 15,000 men to help push out the invading Irish in Anglesey, and while doing so they lost a lot of land to the Anglo Saxons.
I am from Liverpool England and i have 40% DNA, I am on Ansestey tracing this ?
The last ice age
Finished around 12000 bc
Brilliant analysis of the Welsh. The Welsh generally were darker skinned,dark hair and dark eyes. Have more rounded faces and shorter in height than their fellow british kin. South Wales had a lot of mix from the English over the last century or so so generally lighter skinned and lighter hair, although physical traits of their welsh ancestors is still quite strong. I have noticed having visited all over Wales many many times.
Hi Colin what you're describing is exactly what my family looks like 😁. On a family holiday to Ibiza an English couple even asked my father if we were from Iran or Iraq due to our colouring and hearing us speaking Welsh to one another 😂😂
Where does this darker skin tone come from? Any idea?
@@nostalji75 nothing obvious springs to mind, my parents used to say that we must be Iberian but I don't think there is any truth to that :)
@@aledmorgan4889 Well in the end we are all closer or further related.^^
I am just curious how much of history can be traced back with our own DNA
Well sometimes people have a really bad idea where you a from.
I visited Austria with my ex (she is from Hongkong) and I accidently spoke English to the host instead of German.(Happens if you talk and think in English all day) This lead her to ask me whether Iam from Hongkong, too. She said I kinda look asian. I a tall blond German was kinda flabbergasted :D
@@nostalji75
Neolithic or possibly Paleolithic ancestry.
Hello.
I took a trip to Ireland.
I asked around on what connection the Irish have with the Welch. The most common answer I received was 'that the Welch belongs to the continental Celts, particularly Bohemia.
Is that something you have heard?
Where did you hear that in the local pub? You " asked around" ffs
What
So northern Welsh are different than southern
I was in North part of Wales and people was friendly
How is on the south? I am waiting for yours opinions
Yes, the make up of north wales is close that of the area around the Baltic Sea and the theory is it was hunter gatherers from that area who kept moving west towards what we now call north wales. Where as south wales have a genetic make up close to that of northern Spain and the basques
Do you know of the genetic link between N Spain and wales/England?
No there isn’t one
@@MiloManning05 gees explain my 8 % welsh then , from where it come from ?from halsttat la tene thracian tribes celts
We are the natives that is why. They are doing their best to mix us up and to forget.
Yma o hyd
Interesting video on Welsh DNA, however, the constant use of the anachronistic geopolitical term "British Isles" is disappointing and, at times, misleading as you occasionally erroneously include the island of Ireland under this term. Nomenclature is important and should always be historically correct in the context used - note your incorrect use of the term "United Kingdom" in reference to the Anglo-Saxon, Viking and Norman invasions and subsequent settlements on the island of Britain. The terms now used and preferred by both the UK and Irish governments are, depending on context, "Britain and Ireland", "UK and Ireland" or simply in general conversation "these islands" etc. This allows for both the geographic and the contemporary political situations to be recognised and fully understood. Excellent content in your videos - congrats. By the way, checkout the "Irish DNA Atlas" project finding published in 'Nature Magazine'.
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My thoughts are that everyone been getting their freak on , in that island lol .
Welsh good fighters
OAP Here, My DEA is British ,, all 4 British….Naturally… also with Name Bone in England .. I have. Scottish Clan Tartan Clan Kilt,,, By Right of my Name….. Henderason MAC Eanruig.
Isn't it also the case that that only around 2 percent of dna can only be analysed to determine our heritage, what about Trojan/ hebrew influence?
No Irish DNA or scouts or English
I believe that I am 💯 % welsh my ancestors from year beginning of time...
There were more before
People were coming and going
In 400 they got in
Some were there
Anglosaxons are french frigians
Duh Scandinavians as did all other northern ppl migrated there
I live in east Angela I’m an east anglecynn from east Saxony
I think the Welsh and the Irish were, in the beginning, the same people.
I believe they sojourned up from the Basque people of Spain, just like
Bede said.
But thousands of years ago, the British Isles was still connected to Europe, so they didn't
boat over, they walked to the new land and settled in.
As ice caps melted further up north, the land mass began to flood,
creating the Celtic Sea, & English Channel, and causing the British Isles to separate from Europe.
And lastly, the Irish Sea separating the two groups: Irish on one side,
the Welsh on the other.
Only God knows exactly how they first arrived, but one thing for sure, at some time
in the distant past, the British Isles were not isles at all,
but was connected to the European land mass.
Great info, Welsh nationalists like to invent the notion of a single Welsh polity prior to the Act of Union 1536, however south and north Wales spent more time fighting each other than anyone else.
Thanks Ketoun
That may be true in Wales, but the Welsh who lived in England (i.e the native Briton tribes) spent more time fighting with the invading Anglo Saxons/ English. In some areas, Briton/ Welsh kingdoms allied with each other against the Anglo Saxons.
The tribes living in (what we now call) Wales wouldn't have been bothered by the Anglo Saxon/ English for a long time so they would have continued to fight each other, and would have identified with their tribe rather than any kind of national identity because 'Wales' didn't exist and is an Anglo Saxon creation. They likely would have identified as 'Briton'. It was the Saxons who began calling them 'Welsh' and basically treating them as 'other'.
it was the native Britons/ Welsh living in south east England who took the brunt of it from the invading Anglo Saxons (we can see this from the recent DNA studies that shows a 75% population replacement in south and east England). And they continued inwards taking more land from the Briton tribes i.e the Welsh. Until they got to the land that hat we now call Wales.
The same thing happened in Ireland, warring kingdoms (one king even invited the Normans to come and help him against another Irish kingdom), but became united when the outside oppression started.
That's true of most nations including the English, and doesn't invalidate Welsh nationalism in any way
So did the English ya dafty
@qetoun
The fact that the different principalities and lordships of Wales were at times at war with each other is neither here nor there. They still saw themselves as Cymry - i.e Welsh and definitely not English. Even if some of them occasionally allied themselves with English kings and barons, it did not make them English.
The massive indicator of Welsh nationhood of course was Welsh Law. The Law of Hywel Dda that codified the manner of contract, rights, penal order, criminal law, civil law, the Welsh royal courts etc etc. No matter if Gwynedd sometimes fought Deheubarth, they all observed Welsh Law, not English law. That, together with the Welsh language, were massive features of Welsh national identity in this period.
Rich families in the world government sponsored by the Rochelled family decide to keep the English occupation in Ireland, Scotland, Palestine, Walse and Falkland
F. Northmans
or basically the English are great political administrators and we are great rulers. God wired Anglo-Saxon brains to be affective governing political bodies. And adept conquerors. So for now the English rule these lands by conquest and administration.
Except Palestine
also what does this has to do with the Northman? The Scandinavians have been absorbed.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 The English were conquered in 1066 by the Normans, there hasn't been an "English" ruler since then, Much of English culture was replaced with British culture derived from colonialism, Those old Norman bloodlines still control all the land & wealth in Britain today, the English are a poor enslaved race with Stockholm syndrome who celebrate their Norman oligarchs. The Irish population culture & language were pushed to the point of extinction but we never forgot we were Irish, we refused to be made British. or bow to a foreign monarch. I feel genuine pity for my English cousins. Free England!
@@MrSuileile the English mingled with the Normans on all classes of society making your point nulled and invalid, the Normans replaced the original Anglo-Saxon nobility but new ones rose to gain titles and in general English and Normans mix.
As French dna is between 11-43%, Anglo-Saxon dna is 25-47% so not significant overlap, 9% Norwegian Danish thanks to danelaw,
5% Swedish cause Rollo and his Vikings that settled Normandy were Swedes,
And Brythonic dna from Britons in Britain and Bretons the Normans brought.
The English aren't the slave race of the Normans nor are the two different races, shared Celtic Germanic blood who intermingled with each other and with Normans Anglicizing and English Gallicizing created the English who we are today.
Myself come from high class descent, you can easily dismiss me as Norman but likely half Anglo-Saxon blood as well, as surnames in my genealogy have both.
The average English person I met has pride in both and many customs and architecture comes from both.
The English and Irish btw have a different mentality, English colonizers still see themselves as English and have government positions in English colonies,
Irish diaspora cry having to tell the Irish that stayed in Ireland they're related while homeland cousins hoard the identity for themselves with no "cousins across the pond" mentality of kinship
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 I'm amused that you felt the need to omit the Irish contribution to British DNA at 23.4%, the average DNA makeup in Britain is more than 60% European including the Irish.
But that does not address the cultural issue i raised, for that we can return to the history books, the record of marriages & family Tree's, they did their best to keep the English down & out,
The English were not the colonisers, they are the colonised, all colony's claimed by Britain were done in the name of a foreign crown which had conquered England in 1066, the fact that your coloniser located it's corporate HQ in London is of no credit to the English. It might surprise you to know that the largest immigrant group in Ireland are the English, there's no ill will toward the English, just the British, you chaps still don't seem to understand that distinction. Just know that when the English are ready to free themselves from the shackles of British rule, their Irish cousins will be rooting for them☘
This information is all wrong if you are talking genetics. For example. You didn’t even mention the romans who where colonising the land for hundreds of years and missy of the leftovers of them ended up inhabiting wales. So in-fact the Welsh are the most genetically Roman in the British isles..
you only mentioned the Viking, Norman and Saxon invasions who where all pretty much identical genetically to each other
My Welsh/English DNA has no Italian/Roman in it. I'm a mix of Welsh, England/NthWestern Europe, Ashkenazi Jew, Sweden/Denmark/Norway and Scotland.
@@dm607to play devil's advocate here, I don't think Ancient Roman dna would easily show up as Italian, considering modern Italy is very mixed in an of itself with North African/Arab/Greek in the south, and Germanic in the North. If someone has strong Romano-British blood, it may well just show up as only the latter. Just my theory though, could be dead wrong.
@@Esoteric_Loonaism I'm not really sure either! I just know we have no Southern European in us, lol.
My hen daid’s family came from the Iberian Peninsula prior to the English Channel to Harlech Cymru(which approximately 2 hours from Cardiganshire). The Welsh were conquered by the British in the 13th century and the Welsh Dragon gets no recognition on Grest Britain’s Union Jack. Even though Wales is a different country from England and Scorland in the UK. I am Canadian that still has family in England and Wales from my mum’s side of the family. My English side is Norman and Anglo-Saxon from my hen nain’s side of the family. The Anglo-Saxon part from the Netherlands and Belgium than Germany from my mum’s mother’s side. Scottish and Irish with a bit of French from my father’s side. Anglo-Saxon and Irish from my mother’s father’s mkther’s side and unknown possibly Scottish or French from my mother’s fsther’s fsther’s side but I don’t think ancestry.com and 23 and me are accurate from my aunt’s results or Grest uncle’s results nor would be 100% accurate if I was to do it? As those DNA tests do make errors like any Stsndsrdize testing scores via machines.
No the Welsh and British are the same people the Welsh are ancient Britons or British 😊