A few people have corrected me on my statement the MB149 has a #8 size nib. I've learned that the size of the nib is determined by measuring the feed diameter at the base of the feed. This MB149 measures 7.4mm at the base making it a #8 in my book. In any event, the Jinhao x159 measures 7.5mm at the base of the feed, so perhaps it should be a #9 as well? Just sayin'.
wow such an issue! But I don't think you can apply conventional size standards to this nib. Press it gently into some blu tack so that the foot is parallel to the surface, the contact surface is much longer than it is wide (diameter is a measurement for a circle). So if you tell people it is an 8 or a 9, and they expect the behaviour of an 8 or 9, they will be disappointed. Best to experience it for oneself.
I loved the story about your dad. He sounds like a great guy! Beautiful pen, but I suspect I am not destined to ever own a Montblanc and have come to terms with that. I still consider $300 pens to be my upper limit and even then they have to really wow me. Thanks for letting me live vicariously through Murray’s and your collections.
Good afternoon from Spain. Tomorrow I am going to buy this fountain pen at the Montblanc boutique in Marbella and I wanted to see your video for the second time. I hope I don't regret the purchase. Thank you , as always for your time and your videos
Thank you Murray. Those pens all look awesome and I am looking forward to seeing you demo them Doug. It's also seeing your look of envy. My Dad was also awesome like yours. He went into Grace Bros to buy a coffee table. He walked up to the coffee tables and pointed to the store clerk and said 'I'll have that coffee table' and went and paid for it. He then walked back to the coffee table, picked it up and walked out of the store. The store clerk was sputtering saying that it was a demo model. Dad did not want to wait the 6 weeks of delivery it took to get any piece of furniture here in Australia. He explained the law of contract to the clerk and left him standing there. We had that coffee table for years. My lesson, words count. We learn a lot from out Dads, and both you and I are very lucky. Thanks again for the video and the personal story.
What a pen! You said it all so I won’t repeat it. Lovin’ the stories you’re sharing as of late, Doug. And I agree with you about stickers on pens. Especially expensive pens. But any pen to be honest. Idk what to do with them. I don’t want it on there but then I wonder if one day that participated pen will be worth more if I had left the sticker intact. And all sorts of strange things. Yes, it does give me the heebie-jeebies! Stressful. Take care! Cheers
Wow! What a nib. Murray must have a great deal of dispensable coin! Those pens that he loaned you - OMG. I am looking forward to seeing those reviews. Thanks.
Your dad sounds like a cool guy, just like you! The pen has a great range. Thanks for the heads up on the sticker. I assumed it was some fancy inlay bit lol
Hello again, Jim from Madrid (Spain) - Sorry for my constant introductions but you inspire me (happily)... Now, as I was saying... you are one of the best in UA-cam that I've seen so far with the way you make your videos... I mean... the humor, the spark, the quotes, the interest and the love for Fountain Pens (without selling as a brand or company)... I ALWAYS have a smile on my face while I watch... and I can imagine it comes with a lot of "behind the scenes" work! So... thank you very much for making me (and us) smile on every video you make! As per the "Montblanc 149 Calligraphy Curved" FP shown in this video (WOW - Now that's a mouth full for an FP name!) it looks very similar to a FUDE Nib in its performance (I'm not talking about the quality of materials used in the fabrication of the nib). Very, very similar performance... Though... What size nib is it? A #6? Just curious... In any case... Thank you for all the joy, humor, enthusiasm and dedication that you pit into your work. Cheers from Madrid, Spain!
You will love this sir.. As I loved your personal story about your dad. Fast forward 50 years. I was a banker, but also spent years in auto finance. When I purchased my first vehicle I also told the clean up guy to not 'ad' the sticker to the bumper. Once I learned to buy off-lease or trade-ins - I used a heat gun to remove them. Interestingly the technician understood why I did not want to advertise for the dealership, even though I worked there, but they did fear the optics of them helping me, an employee mind you, to remove it. Needless, money moves all and since I made heaps for the dealership - it became part of my eccentricities... Time is circles, as Nietzsche said, not that we are bound to repeat - but we are 'winning or learning'. Until we embrace our fate: we are bound, repeating.
I had always thought that and hear that too! But I measured the base diameter of the feed (that's how you determine the size of a nib) and it came out 7.8mm so it is, by measurement, a #8.
Thanks, Doug, for sharing your dad's new car story. Aren't dads impressive! Thanks for this impressive pen review, and thanks go to Murray for letting the world see his nice pens. Does this special nib operate similarly to the Sailor Zoom nib? I look forward to the upcoming reviews of Murray's beautiful pen collection. Please keep up the excellent work 🙂 P.S. I like your Pen-Sharing business idea 😀
@@InkquiringMinds I watched a review of the Zoom nib and, while the Zoom also changes width based on the writing angle, the Calligraphy Curved provides the horizontal-vertical line variation, which the Zoom does not. Thanks again for such an excellent review, Doug.
@@InkquiringMinds Yes indeed. I think Sailor produces Naginata nibs, but their King of Pen models could be unattainable to the likes of me; without a second mortgage that is 😉
This was the nib I remember most, there were many wow moments that Saturday but this was the one I didn't want to put down or give back to Murray. It just felt tuned to perfection and I can only dream of making a nib of that quality one day
It IS an incredible writing experience - so expressive and silky smooth in all orientations! I'm glad you got to write with it before I snatched it away from you! :)
It is nice to have someone like Murray to allow you to experience pens that are out of your wheel house to try. I know the quality of Montblanc pens. I do not have any fountain pens from them but I do own a few ballpoint pens and they are wonderful. I can imagine the fell of the nib to paper. When I have gone to a pen show and attempted to try a fountain pen, I was told that they do not allow such a testing as it would alter the performance of the nib, unless I was going to buy the pen. What sense is that? In any case I hope to get one second hand, someday. In the meantime I will have to satisfy myself with other pens like Leonardo or Pelikan. Oh, is the nib a #8 size? I thought the 149 came with a #9 nib? Luscious review, Doug. Looking forward to the other Murray pens.
Everybody needs a Murray in their life who lends you pens that are worth more than I have in my savings account. Thanks for teaching us so much about the pen nuances- this pen's nib is really something I never heard of before. Lastly, for your next giveaway the contest should be who can say Fritsch Schimpf 3 times fast..... and not screw it up.
OMG, I am sooo glad you mentioned your dislike of the sticker; I fricking hate them, and have got a fountain pen collecting friend who keeps them on: GEE! 🤪 Yes, I’m talking about you, Tom. 😆
Thoughtful review Doug, obviously a marketing triumph of injection molded resin over adversity. I have a standard 149 so i'm not being too sarcastic. It seems evident that when it comes to your father the apple only rolled a little when it came off the tree . I think with the ASC pens ( a bit like the difference between the Pelikan M800 and M1000) the larger #8 nib on their oversize pens are just phenominal in terms of their wetness and softness/bounciness. I would even go so far as to say that the magiflex is more flexible than the Pelikan m1000. You Have to try one at some point. Thank you for your extra busy schedule whilst you get these pens reviewed. It feels like my £1 per month is suddenly 1/3 better value!
Wow. I would be interested in hearing your description of the difference between writing with this Calligraphy Curved nib and a nice fude or mini-fude from China. I'm sure the bounce will figure in, but, what else?
Car sticker story. I ordered my current vehicle at the dealership and told them, quite explicitly, that I didn't want any branding on the car other than the manufacturer's. Nothing of the dealership as I wasn't getting paid to advertize their shop. Car arrives. I get a call to come pick up the car. There is the sticker on the back. The saleslady tried her best to get me to take the keys. But once I saw the sticker I told them to keep the car as it wasn't what I contracted for. They begged me for a chance to make it right. It was amusing. I did consent to give them 24 hours to correct the problems (there were a couple of other items). The next day EVERYONE in the dealership addressed me by my last name. Even those I had never seen. I did a very close inspection of the area where the sticker was and they did an excellent job removing the sticker. Knowing I was paying cash for the car gave them an incentive to meet my requirements. It was even more amusing watching them try to sell me a loan. I finally told the clerk that I was tired of waiting. The next piece of paper I was going to read was the sales receipt or I was going to walk out. He finally bowed his head and got the paperwork in order. As a result of that experience I'm not going to buy another vehicle from them.
Or you can just ask Murray to lend it to you, if you have a Murray in your pen group🙂 And yes, loved the story about your dad's car, unfortunately we do not have a pic of the technicians face as your dad said not taking the car🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Another extremely well made review. I'm getting used to that performance and won't accept lower quality reviews anymore. Jawohl, these nibs are special, pricewise and qualitywise. What one can achieve with them is incredible. My handwriting is terrible, always was, already as a student. I'm from Germany, children still have to write with fountain pens during classes 1 to 4 (Grundschule = Basic school) My father bought a GEHA in blue, I remember, it worked 5 months, then I broke it deliberately, as I didn't like it and wanted a Pelikan (that was 1966 and the Pelikan were more expensive than GEHA, but still affordable) because my mate had one. My old man bought another Geha in green, told me that he won't spend more money than necessary on a schoolpen and I knew instantly that there was never ever a chance to get a green/black striped Pelikan for school. Well, beside this old story, I can achieve my best results of handwriting with 1.1 stub nibs (that's my uneducated, purely personal driven guess). I tried and bought Architect-, any Naginata-style, long blade, long knife (different names for one and the same style, I guess) even Fude nibs. Because I encounter always extreme difficulties holding any pen at angles of 90/85 degrees (where the hell's that sign on my keyboard?) or whatever degrees, except at 65 degrees, which is my normal writing angle. I tried to practice a lot, some nibs are much to fat, some achieve a reasonable result. Changing the subject, if you don't mind. Yesterday, I saw on Aliexpress a dealer offering WANCHER FP's at very low prices, 50% lower than advertised on Wancher's website. It seems to be genuine, the shop sold some pens abroad and there was no complaint about faked pens. However, what do you think about Wancher pens? I did'nt check yet all your videos (my bad, I know!), but I would like to have your opinion about this brand, if you don't mind.
@@wittwittwer1043 Anyhow, somehow and somewhere, before the bookflood or after her ebb, somebody mentioned by name in his telephone directory, Coccolanius or Gallotaurus, wrote it, wrote it all, wrote it all down, and there you are, full stop. *Finnegans Wake
Can I please join the Calgary pen club.? So this pen was originally owned by Sbre Brown, sold to Murray? Why is the sticker still on the pen? Remove it and clean off the residue with some tea-tree oil. Voila! gone, no trace.
Yes and yes. The sticker is a "thing" apparently. I know when I borrowed Jack's MB149 Fritz Schmipf, he was adamant that I not remove or lose the sticker.
@@InkquiringMinds it seems to be a thing with Pylot(Pilot)- quality control but as soon as you've paid for it,not found any defects off it comes. No purpose served leaving it there. A car dealership sticker was a loyalty badge of honour in the small town where I grew up. It showed you backed the local crew over the big smoke slickers. Hard to remove - razor blades and soapy water. Same with registration stickers for which you were fined for leaving on expired ones. My father's solution? Child labour.
A few people have corrected me on my statement the MB149 has a #8 size nib. I've learned that the size of the nib is determined by measuring the feed diameter at the base of the feed. This MB149 measures 7.4mm at the base making it a #8 in my book. In any event, the Jinhao x159 measures 7.5mm at the base of the feed, so perhaps it should be a #9 as well? Just sayin'.
wow such an issue! But I don't think you can apply conventional size standards to this nib. Press it gently into some blu tack so that the foot is parallel to the surface, the contact surface is much longer than it is wide (diameter is a measurement for a circle). So if you tell people it is an 8 or a 9, and they expect the behaviour of an 8 or 9, they will be disappointed. Best to experience it for oneself.
I loved the story about your dad. He sounds like a great guy! Beautiful pen, but I suspect I am not destined to ever own a Montblanc and have come to terms with that. I still consider $300 pens to be my upper limit and even then they have to really wow me.
Thanks for letting me live vicariously through Murray’s and your collections.
Thank you so much, Jennifer!
Good afternoon from Spain. Tomorrow I am going to buy this fountain pen at the Montblanc boutique in Marbella and I wanted to see your video for the second time. I hope I don't regret the purchase. Thank you , as always for your time and your videos
Of course this gorgeous pen is Murray's. Wonderful review, your explanation of this nib is the best I have viewed. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Murray. Those pens all look awesome and I am looking forward to seeing you demo them Doug. It's also seeing your look of envy. My Dad was also awesome like yours. He went into Grace Bros to buy a coffee table. He walked up to the coffee tables and pointed to the store clerk and said 'I'll have that coffee table' and went and paid for it. He then walked back to the coffee table, picked it up and walked out of the store. The store clerk was sputtering saying that it was a demo model. Dad did not want to wait the 6 weeks of delivery it took to get any piece of furniture here in Australia. He explained the law of contract to the clerk and left him standing there. We had that coffee table for years. My lesson, words count. We learn a lot from out Dads, and both you and I are very lucky. Thanks again for the video and the personal story.
What a fabulous story! Thanks for sharing!
I do love a good story! Sharing something of yourself truly enhances your content!
I appreciate that!
What a pen! You said it all so I won’t repeat it.
Lovin’ the stories you’re sharing as of late, Doug.
And I agree with you about stickers on pens. Especially expensive pens. But any pen to be honest. Idk what to do with them. I don’t want it on there but then I wonder if one day that participated pen will be worth more if I had left the sticker intact. And all sorts of strange things. Yes, it does give me the heebie-jeebies! Stressful. Take care! Cheers
Wow! What a nib. Murray must have a great deal of dispensable coin! Those pens that he loaned you - OMG. I am looking forward to seeing those reviews. Thanks.
You and me both!
Your dad sounds like a cool guy, just like you!
The pen has a great range. Thanks for the heads up on the sticker. I assumed it was some fancy inlay bit lol
You bet!
❤ This is an impressive pen! I suppose the only way I own one is if I win the lottery, but WOW one can dream ❤
Hello again, Jim from Madrid (Spain) - Sorry for my constant introductions but you inspire me (happily)...
Now, as I was saying... you are one of the best in UA-cam that I've seen so far with the way you make your videos... I mean... the humor, the spark, the quotes, the interest and the love for Fountain Pens (without selling as a brand or company)... I ALWAYS have a smile on my face while I watch... and I can imagine it comes with a lot of "behind the scenes" work! So... thank you very much for making me (and us) smile on every video you make!
As per the "Montblanc 149 Calligraphy Curved" FP shown in this video (WOW - Now that's a mouth full for an FP name!) it looks very similar to a FUDE Nib in its performance (I'm not talking about the quality of materials used in the fabrication of the nib). Very, very similar performance... Though... What size nib is it? A #6? Just curious...
In any case... Thank you for all the joy, humor, enthusiasm and dedication that you pit into your work.
Cheers from Madrid, Spain!
Thank you Jaime jaime. That is much appreciated!
Spectacular and informative review.. Thank you
I agree: I don't want stickers on any pen I buy unless they are easily removable or else I apply them myself (which I don't do).
I like the fun you are having with your schwooooops at the end.
LOL Thanks, Vik.
You will love this sir.. As I loved your personal story about your dad. Fast forward 50 years. I was a banker, but also spent years in auto finance. When I purchased my first vehicle I also told the clean up guy to not 'ad' the sticker to the bumper. Once I learned to buy off-lease or trade-ins - I used a heat gun to remove them. Interestingly the technician understood why I did not want to advertise for the dealership, even though I worked there, but they did fear the optics of them helping me, an employee mind you, to remove it. Needless, money moves all and since I made heaps for the dealership - it became part of my eccentricities...
Time is circles, as Nietzsche said, not that we are bound to repeat - but we are 'winning or learning'. Until we embrace our fate: we are bound, repeating.
Cool story! Thanks!
Excellent demo on the line widths. Thank you.
Very welcome!
Murray gets around! Dr. Stephen Brown also mentioned his name. Murray must be the Emperor of pens lol
He is the "Grand Imperial PooBah" of our pen club!
Hello I came across some Montblanc and other luxury calligraphy pens would you be able to provide approximate value based off of photos
Awesome review professor. I believe 149 sports a #9 nib. I love your dad's story. That is what I would want!
I had always thought that and hear that too! But I measured the base diameter of the feed (that's how you determine the size of a nib) and it came out 7.8mm so it is, by measurement, a #8.
I checked my instruments and this one is 7.4! My Jinhao x159 is 7.5. So tell me again where I'm wrong?
Thanks, Doug, for sharing your dad's new car story. Aren't dads impressive!
Thanks for this impressive pen review, and thanks go to Murray for letting the world see his nice pens. Does this special nib operate similarly to the Sailor Zoom nib? I look forward to the upcoming reviews of Murray's beautiful pen collection. Please keep up the excellent work 🙂
P.S. I like your Pen-Sharing business idea 😀
I've never tried the Sailor Zoom, but the Calligraphy Curved changes widths based on the vertical angle of the pen to the page - the same behaviour.
@@InkquiringMinds I watched a review of the Zoom nib and, while the Zoom also changes width based on the writing angle, the Calligraphy Curved provides the horizontal-vertical line variation, which the Zoom does not.
Thanks again for such an excellent review, Doug.
Yes the Curved is more like a Naginata Togi like I said in the video.
@@InkquiringMinds Yes indeed. I think Sailor produces Naginata nibs, but their King of Pen models could be unattainable to the likes of me; without a second mortgage that is 😉
This was the nib I remember most, there were many wow moments that Saturday but this was the one I didn't want to put down or give back to Murray. It just felt tuned to perfection and I can only dream of making a nib of that quality one day
It IS an incredible writing experience - so expressive and silky smooth in all orientations! I'm glad you got to write with it before I snatched it away from you! :)
It is nice to have someone like Murray to allow you to experience pens that are out of your wheel house to try.
I know the quality of Montblanc pens. I do not have any fountain pens from them but I do own a few ballpoint pens and they are wonderful. I can imagine the fell of the nib to paper. When I have gone to a pen show and attempted to try a fountain pen, I was told that they do not allow such a testing as it would alter the performance of the nib, unless I was going to buy the pen. What sense is that?
In any case I hope to get one second hand, someday. In the meantime I will have to satisfy myself with other pens like Leonardo or Pelikan.
Oh, is the nib a #8 size? I thought the 149 came with a #9 nib?
Luscious review, Doug. Looking forward to the other Murray pens.
I measured the diameter of the feed at the base and it is 7.8mm.
Everybody needs a Murray in their life who lends you pens that are worth more than I have in my savings account. Thanks for teaching us so much about the pen nuances- this pen's nib is really something I never heard of before. Lastly, for your next giveaway the contest should be who can say Fritsch Schimpf 3 times fast..... and not screw it up.
LOL!
Hurrah for Murray! 👍🏼 I hope you left him something to write with - a Bic, perhaps? 😄
He has a couple left! LMAO
Beautiful pen
I think so too!
Отличное видео, спасибо.
OMG, I am sooo glad you mentioned your dislike of the sticker; I fricking hate them, and have got a fountain pen collecting friend who keeps them on: GEE! 🤪 Yes, I’m talking about you, Tom. 😆
The best part of the video was the "Digress" thank you for sharing your father's memory
Glad you enjoyed it
Very interesting nib!
Very!
Thoughtful review Doug, obviously a marketing triumph of injection molded resin over adversity. I have a standard 149 so i'm not being too sarcastic. It seems evident that when it comes to your father the apple only rolled a little when it came off the tree .
I think with the ASC pens ( a bit like the difference between the Pelikan M800 and M1000) the larger #8 nib on their oversize pens are just phenominal in terms of their wetness and softness/bounciness. I would even go so far as to say that the magiflex is more flexible than the Pelikan m1000. You Have to try one at some point. Thank you for your extra busy schedule whilst you get these pens reviewed. It feels like my £1 per month is suddenly 1/3 better value!
I review the M1000 that Murray loaned me a couple of weeks ago. The large nib is indeed very flexible and bouncy!
What is the difference between this Curved NIB and the Flexible NIB of a few years ago? Thanks.
I have no idea as I've not experienced those nibs!
“How can one not dream while writing? It is the pen which dreams. The blank page gives the right to dream.” - Gaston Bachelard
Wow. I would be interested in hearing your description of the difference between writing with this Calligraphy Curved nib and a nice fude or mini-fude from China. I'm sure the bounce will figure in, but, what else?
The MB is like writing with a pen, a fuse is like writing with a bent spoon.
@@InkquiringMinds So, it wasn't just me, then!
Car sticker story. I ordered my current vehicle at the dealership and told them, quite explicitly, that I didn't want any branding on the car other than the manufacturer's. Nothing of the dealership as I wasn't getting paid to advertize their shop. Car arrives. I get a call to come pick up the car. There is the sticker on the back. The saleslady tried her best to get me to take the keys. But once I saw the sticker I told them to keep the car as it wasn't what I contracted for. They begged me for a chance to make it right. It was amusing. I did consent to give them 24 hours to correct the problems (there were a couple of other items). The next day EVERYONE in the dealership addressed me by my last name. Even those I had never seen. I did a very close inspection of the area where the sticker was and they did an excellent job removing the sticker. Knowing I was paying cash for the car gave them an incentive to meet my requirements. It was even more amusing watching them try to sell me a loan. I finally told the clerk that I was tired of waiting. The next piece of paper I was going to read was the sales receipt or I was going to walk out. He finally bowed his head and got the paperwork in order. As a result of that experience I'm not going to buy another vehicle from them.
Good for you!!
Thoroughly enjoyed the pen review - and enjoyed the story about your Dad even more.
Glad you enjoyed it
Or you can just ask Murray to lend it to you, if you have a Murray in your pen group🙂 And yes, loved the story about your dad's car, unfortunately we do not have a pic of the technicians face as your dad said not taking the car🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It would be framable! LOL
Another extremely well made review. I'm getting used to that performance and won't accept lower quality reviews anymore. Jawohl, these nibs are special, pricewise and qualitywise. What one can achieve with them is incredible. My handwriting is terrible, always was, already as a student. I'm from Germany, children still have to write with fountain pens during classes 1 to 4 (Grundschule = Basic school) My father bought a GEHA in blue, I remember, it worked 5 months, then I broke it deliberately, as I didn't like it and wanted a Pelikan (that was 1966 and the Pelikan were more expensive than GEHA, but still affordable) because my mate had one. My old man bought another Geha in green, told me that he won't spend more money than necessary on a schoolpen and I knew instantly that there was never ever a chance to get a green/black striped Pelikan for school. Well, beside this old story, I can achieve my best results of handwriting with 1.1 stub nibs (that's my uneducated, purely personal driven guess). I tried and bought Architect-, any Naginata-style, long blade, long knife (different names for one and the same style, I guess) even Fude nibs. Because I encounter always extreme difficulties holding any pen at angles of 90/85 degrees (where the hell's that sign on my keyboard?) or whatever degrees, except at 65 degrees, which is my normal writing angle. I tried to practice a lot, some nibs are much to fat, some achieve a reasonable result. Changing the subject, if you don't mind. Yesterday, I saw on Aliexpress a dealer offering WANCHER FP's at very low prices, 50% lower than advertised on Wancher's website. It seems to be genuine, the shop sold some pens abroad and there was no complaint about faked pens. However, what do you think about Wancher pens? I did'nt check yet all your videos (my bad, I know!), but I would like to have your opinion about this brand, if you don't mind.
Thanks for sharing! I have not tried a Wancher.
Nice homage to your Dad by the way.
Thank you kindly
I like your father`s decision too
What is the current price of this pen??
$1055 US from Montblanc.
“The pen is the tongue of the soul; as are the thoughts engendered there, so will be the things written.” - Miguel de Cervantes
Reminiscent of Yul Brenner's line in The Ten Commandments: "So let it be written; so let it be done."
@@wittwittwer1043 Anyhow, somehow and
somewhere, before the bookflood or after her ebb, somebody
mentioned by name in his telephone directory, Coccolanius or
Gallotaurus, wrote it, wrote it all, wrote it all down, and there
you are, full stop. *Finnegans Wake
@@alohm Which goes to prove that not all horses are black.
Thanks for sharing, Al Ohm!
I thought you'd say the 2nd thing you didn't like is that the pen belonged to someone else
Looks like a zoom nib to me
Can I please join the Calgary pen club.? So this pen was originally owned by Sbre Brown, sold to Murray? Why is the sticker still on the pen? Remove it and clean off the residue with some tea-tree oil. Voila! gone, no trace.
Yes and yes. The sticker is a "thing" apparently. I know when I borrowed Jack's MB149 Fritz Schmipf, he was adamant that I not remove or lose the sticker.
@@InkquiringMinds it seems to be a thing with Pylot(Pilot)- quality control but as soon as you've paid for it,not found any defects off it comes. No purpose served leaving it there.
A car dealership sticker was a loyalty badge of honour in the small town where I grew up. It showed you backed the local crew over the big smoke slickers. Hard to remove - razor blades and soapy water. Same with registration stickers for which you were fined for leaving on expired ones. My father's solution? Child labour.
@@MrAndrew1953 I don't get leaving the PIlot stickers on either. Your Dad's solution proves why we need to have kids.