Sanjay sir, i was working in MoD during 1984. We had a news at 9.30 am that Indira Gandhi had been shot. All were sad except one sikh coworker who was very happy that Golden Temple has been avenged. Our office closed at 5.00 pm and we three colleagues were travelling by bus to our homes. On the way young sikh boys stopped the bus and started distributing swwets. They were joyous and behaved like the winners. We refused to take sweets but they insisted and put that piece of burfi in our mouths forcibly. They were young and almost ten/twelve in numbers. This was so bad but we couldn't do anything. Such incidents were common in most parts of Delhi. When they started distrbuting sweets in front of AIIMS where large number of people had gathered and Indiraji's body was undergoing post mortem. The first beating of sikhs took place there. Then the sikhs came back well armed. It triggered the riots. First riots were in Green Park and other adjoining areas of AIiMS.
That time leadership commited a huge blunder by attacking their most sacred site. Sikhs hv contributed much above their population share on this land, we respect the Sikh Gurus and that operation Bluestar is a dark spot on our nation that is quite hard to remove.
I was in Delhi at that time and remember our local dry cleaner who was a Sikh distributing sweets that eventually resulted in a mob burning down his business. On the flip side we were so concerned about the safety of our Sikh classmates at our college that we had to compel them to trim their hair and beards, none of whom really understood the need for Khalistan. Many had Hindu relatives , visited Hindu temples, joined Bhajans, etc. it was a sad and confusing period.
@@AG-cv7fxsee, this is where Hindus make mistake. When you give a community way too much importance and remind them that only they have been the saviour of this nation, you not only disrespect others who laid their lives for their nation but you embolden the feeling of supremacy in them. Stop appeasement.
@@AG-cv7fx Every community has contributed to the country and dharma. Not just the Sikhs. Please stop fueling Sikh ethno-centricism and supremacism by saying all this and engaging in pseudo-history.
@@AG-cv7fx There was no attack. It was the necessity. Bhindranwale had fortified it and was carrying out attacks and killings from there. Ask Nirankari Sikhs and Punjabi Hindus & Jains, who were suffering from him and his men's terror in 1978-84 and then up to 1990s. This problem still exists.
Sanjay ji, one feedback, the chairs could be better, it could be sofa or something having proper hand rest and back rest, making it comfortable to sit for long time
Great to hear good words about us tambis..generally speaking all of Bharat we find good fighters because fighting is about the spirit..kshatriya dharma has prevailed at every nook and corner of Bharata varsha.. ❤
In a significant move, the Mamata Banerjee-led Trinamool Congress (TMC) government in West Bengal has declared Ram Navami, which falls on April 17 this year, as a public holiday just ahead of the 2024 Lok Sabha elections. This is the first time that the state government has declared a holiday for Ram Navami
This was a fascinating interview for me. Notably, Shiv Kunal's recollections of Gen Sundarji and Operation Blue Star. It definitely cracked my image of Gen Sundarji and his contributions to the Indian Army. But then nobody is perfect! On the same matter; while Shiv Kunal appropriately concludes that political leaders have invariably landed themselves and the nation in trouble by violating the chain of command (Nehru in 1962 China conflict and Indira with Operation Blue Star); not enough was concluded about the shortcomings in the much vaunted 'discipline' within the Indian Army / Military (and I'm sure it is the same everywhere in the militaries globally). Even Military leaders are, after all, political animals!
Field Marshal Manakshaw was originaly from Frontiar Rifles of Indian Army. After independence Frontiar Rifles become part of Pakistan Army and Gorkh Rifles become part of Indian Army. Since Field Marshal Mankshaw opted for India he was allotted Gorkh Rifles.
He has abundant wealth of knowledge of our military history. I had seen in some other podcast (I think it was a series). You should actually make a series with him time permitting.
Pouch ammunition for SLR 7.62mm was 100 rounds. But facing AK-47 with self-loading SLR is not practical. IPKF went without information, recce and planning. I lost a good friend of mine there (was awarded MVC posthumously).
The 1984 riots were planned and the Army was told to stand down and ignore all pleas for help. My father was commanding a regiment in Mathura at the time and was witness to the horrendous actions of the Congress party and its minions.
It's not within the powers of the Army or the Army Chief to declare any part of India as a Distured Area. Its the prerogative of the Central Govt. So why should P Chidamaram ask Gen VK Singh to declare parts of Chattisgarh as Disturbed Area?
भारत को एक भाषा और एक सनातन वैदिक के नाम पर एकजुट करो, वरना भारत कभी एकजुट नही हो पायेगा। एक भाषा हिंदी (उर्दू फ्री) होना आवश्यक है भारत की एकता के लिये।😑
कश्मीर घाटी को UT बना देना चाहिए. इससे पूरा गुपकार गैंग और उनके समर्थक केन्द्र सरकार के अधीन आ जाएंगे🤠 बाकी जम्मू-कश्मीर को एक पूर्ण राज्य का दर्जा देकर चुनाव करवा देने चाहिए😎
Khalistan kisi kimat pe jaayaz nahin hai..1984 to congŕessiyon ne kiya tha ..uski aapne Delhi mein Govt banwadi 1984 ke baad Shiela dixit ke under mein aur punjab mein jab rak AAP nahin aayi....kyon????kyonki pakistan ke ISI ne bola tha JO KAUMGRESS KA TO PAKISTAN DOST HAI....
Sanjay sir, i was working in MoD during 1984. We had a news at 9.30 am that Indira Gandhi had been shot. All were sad except one sikh coworker who was very happy that Golden Temple has been avenged. Our office closed at 5.00 pm and we three colleagues were travelling by bus to our homes. On the way young sikh boys stopped the bus and started distributing swwets. They were joyous and behaved like the winners. We refused to take sweets but they insisted and put that piece of burfi in our mouths forcibly. They were young and almost ten/twelve in numbers. This was so bad but we couldn't do anything.
Such incidents were common in most parts of Delhi. When they started distrbuting sweets in front of AIIMS where large number of people had gathered and Indiraji's body was undergoing post mortem. The first beating of sikhs took place there. Then the sikhs came back well armed. It triggered the riots. First riots were in Green Park and other adjoining areas of AIiMS.
That time leadership commited a huge blunder by attacking their most sacred site. Sikhs hv contributed much above their population share on this land, we respect the Sikh Gurus and that operation Bluestar is a dark spot on our nation that is quite hard to remove.
I was in Delhi at that time and remember our local dry cleaner who was a Sikh distributing sweets that eventually resulted in a mob burning down his business. On the flip side we were so concerned about the safety of our Sikh classmates at our college that we had to compel them to trim their hair and beards, none of whom really understood the need for Khalistan. Many had Hindu relatives , visited Hindu temples, joined Bhajans, etc. it was a sad and confusing period.
@@AG-cv7fxsee, this is where Hindus make mistake. When you give a community way too much importance and remind them that only they have been the saviour of this nation, you not only disrespect others who laid their lives for their nation but you embolden the feeling of supremacy in them. Stop appeasement.
@@AG-cv7fx Every community has contributed to the country and dharma. Not just the Sikhs. Please stop fueling Sikh ethno-centricism and supremacism by saying all this and engaging in pseudo-history.
@@AG-cv7fx There was no attack. It was the necessity. Bhindranwale had fortified it and was carrying out attacks and killings from there. Ask Nirankari Sikhs and Punjabi Hindus & Jains, who were suffering from him and his men's terror in 1978-84 and then up to 1990s. This problem still exists.
Sanjay ji, one feedback, the chairs could be better, it could be sofa or something having proper hand rest and back rest, making it comfortable to sit for long time
Beautiful narration.
HINDUSTANI is a must read and so are his books on the 1962 and 1965 wars.
Please bring Mr Shiv Kunal Verma again. Love his experience and perspective
Great to hear good words about us tambis..generally speaking all of Bharat we find good fighters because fighting is about the spirit..kshatriya dharma has prevailed at every nook and corner of Bharata varsha.. ❤
In a significant move, the Mamata Banerjee-led Trinamool Congress (TMC) government in West Bengal has declared Ram Navami, which falls on April 17 this year, as a public holiday just ahead of the 2024 Lok Sabha elections. This is the first time that the state government has declared a holiday for Ram Navami
Political drama for the upcoming general elections after Sandeshkhali fiasco🤐
Really liked this show. Very informative
Mr Shiv Kunal narration was awesome
He is a very knowledgeable person and good speaker❤
बहुत ही ज्ञानवर्धक जानकारी और दृष्टि । जयपुर डायलॉग को बहुत बहुत धन्यवाद।🙏
This was a fascinating interview for me. Notably, Shiv Kunal's recollections of Gen Sundarji and Operation Blue Star. It definitely cracked my image of Gen Sundarji and his contributions to the Indian Army. But then nobody is perfect!
On the same matter; while Shiv Kunal appropriately concludes that political leaders have invariably landed themselves and the nation in trouble by violating the chain of command (Nehru in 1962 China conflict and Indira with Operation Blue Star); not enough was concluded about the shortcomings in the much vaunted 'discipline' within the Indian Army / Military (and I'm sure it is the same everywhere in the militaries globally). Even Military leaders are, after all, political animals!
Great podcast, please bring him on again, but there's a mistake - the picture at 8:52 is PVC Somnath Sharma, not Gen VK Singh
Finallt, 2 of my favorite authors together!!! Yay!!! ❤️❤❤
Excellent discussion.....i did not know 90% of the things
Field Marshal Manakshaw was originaly from Frontiar Rifles of Indian Army. After independence Frontiar Rifles become part of Pakistan Army and Gorkh Rifles become part of Indian Army. Since Field Marshal Mankshaw opted for India he was allotted Gorkh Rifles.
Sir, why the role of Lt. Gen Sagat Singh in 1971 is not discussed more often? Just curious
He has abundant wealth of knowledge of our military history. I had seen in some other podcast (I think it was a series). You should actually make a series with him time permitting.
Terrific conversation & presentation.❤
This was one of the best videos of JD. It's a pity it's got so few views. Never mind, request Sanjay ji to bring Shiv Kunal ji again.
So engaging....
सर हमे अब खुल के बात करनी चाहिए नाम के साथ मुस्लिम
Dheek se likho
Arthaat, desh drohi.
Naam to leloge phir tmhe secure kon krega
Bhul gye Nupur ne bola aur phir use gayab Krna pada use bachane ke liye
@@Error_1995 khud kr lenge tere jaise TOPIWALE ki jarurat nhi pdegi 😂
@@bharatt247 abey bhai realism m rho thoda
Type krne jitna asaan ni hai
Very informative discussion.
Former Indian cricketer Yusuf Pathan will contest the upcoming Lok Sabha elections as Trinamool Congress (TMC) Candidate from Berhampore west bengal
Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Pouch ammunition for SLR 7.62mm was 100 rounds. But facing AK-47 with self-loading SLR is not practical. IPKF went without information, recce and planning.
I lost a good friend of mine there (was awarded MVC posthumously).
History wrapped as a story is so enjoyable yet knowledgeable ❤
No growth or development in India is good unless the fault lines within our country is ironed out…the guest is absolutely right…
LOVE THIS GUY SANJAY JI TELL MODI TO GIVE HIM A PADMA SHRI
so deep
The 1984 riots were planned and the Army was told to stand down and ignore all pleas for help. My father was commanding a regiment in Mathura at the time and was witness to the horrendous actions of the Congress party and its minions.
We have lot to learn 🎉
Nation always comes first ❤
Main har roj 10 Hinduon ko The Jaipur Dialogues channel deta hoon aur unko jagne ko bolta hoon. 🙂🙂🙏🙏
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Please do the session in hindi always sir
TSD has done very good work
But UPA GOVT DISMANTLED IT
DESH DROHIS....OF UPA GOVT
It was Kruschve who banged his shoe on the table in the UN.. Bhutto broke his pencil when asked to surrender
Bhutto tore his shirt as was reported at that time.
🙏🙏
It's not within the powers of the Army or the Army Chief to declare any part of India as a Distured Area. Its the prerogative of the Central Govt. So why should P Chidamaram ask Gen VK Singh to declare parts of Chattisgarh as Disturbed Area?
With so much of reality GOI still want to improve relationship with Pakistan and Bangladesh.😢
very good discussion and learned alot
भारत को एक भाषा और एक सनातन वैदिक के नाम पर एकजुट करो, वरना भारत कभी एकजुट नही हो पायेगा।
एक भाषा हिंदी (उर्दू फ्री) होना आवश्यक है भारत की एकता के लिये।😑
Pls may we request for an episode on General Rawat's mysterious helicopter crash.
Are yaar in mahoday ki aawaz clear nhi hai
कश्मीर घाटी को UT बना देना चाहिए. इससे पूरा गुपकार गैंग और उनके समर्थक केन्द्र सरकार के अधीन आ जाएंगे🤠
बाकी जम्मू-कश्मीर को एक पूर्ण राज्य का दर्जा देकर चुनाव करवा देने चाहिए😎
🙏🙏🙏👌👌👍👍👏👏👏
please call Dr Bharat KARNAD
Aur mujhe bhi jaldi he courae krna hai buileing made by architects
No wonder some people still want 370 back
India fight on 3 fronts not 2.5
Hindi hona chaiyeta
Aur mera speech bhi acha lgega party members ko 2024 m BJP join krunga krunga m BHI
Hindi me baat kar lo
ಕಬರ್ ಸುನಲೆ ಭೋಸ್ ಡೇಕಿ
1984 justifies Khalistan
Khalistan kisi kimat pe jaayaz nahin hai..1984 to congŕessiyon ne kiya tha ..uski aapne Delhi mein Govt banwadi 1984 ke baad Shiela dixit ke under mein aur punjab mein jab rak AAP nahin aayi....kyon????kyonki pakistan ke ISI ne bola tha JO KAUMGRESS KA TO PAKISTAN DOST HAI....
india will never able to defect china , dont forget 1962 , india *will* *again* loose *any* war *with* china , like galwan clash
What is the problem to speak in Hindi
Nam lo na Muslim