The Dark Fate of the Moriori - New Zealand’s Forgotten Tribe
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- History is full of lost stories and forgotten peoples, however the fall of the moriori tribe on a remote set of islands 500 miles from the New Zealand is one of the most remarkable and dark tales in human history.
In this documentary, we explore the origins and ultimate fall of the Moriori people.
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Good to see this bought up. I'm Maori, but whenever it is bought up in NZ, some try to deny. Yeah it was done by two particular displaced Iwi (tribes) and not Maori as a whole. But to me? to genocide a small island of Pacifists isn't a cultural thing, its just evil.
Then again, its easy for me to condemn something from the past behind a screen. My ancestors ate each other as the ultimate insult to their enemy what was seen as the norm back then.
You must not be from the North Island. It's a subject often brought up for different reasons. A lot of people know about the genocide, they just don't know the exact details. Which those details are carefully recorded by the crew of the Rodney, a whaling vessel that was seized and surrounded by about 50 Waka.
"My ancestors ate each other as the ultimate insult to their enemy what was seen as the norm back then."
It wasn't normal. There's a reason it was heavily Tapu to received a Kaitangata blessing. Many thousands were killed and many eaten throughout the duration of the Musket Wars. Before that it wasn't very common, and halfway through the musket war, about 1830 or so, it largely faded out of favor among the Warriors. Most famously with Nene and Patuone.
@@makoent2231 East Coast actually.
When I say norm back then I’m talking about my OWN background. Also meaning for people not to see it from our own modern views or overthink it. Yes some Iwi forbade it, others didn’t. Death was and still is a very tapu topic.
@@AyeGee721 It wasn't a matter of Iwi practice, but a blessing itself during a time of war. It wasn't one given out freely just because a warband went off to kill a few people and take some slaves.
Kaitangata was still greatly feared, and not commonly practiced. It was looked down upon by people of that time.
@@makoent2231 I see you spreading your misinformation like a you have a genocide to cover up? You can read first hand accounts of the events in the 1859 and 1862 petitions by 30 Moriori elders to former Governor Grey. The horrors of the 1835 invasion and genocide are detailed by the survivors, including a list of names and how they died (murdered, eaten or died in slavery).
@@snuscaboose1942 How is me saying "It wasn't a matter of Iwi practice, but a blessing itself during a time of war.-"
and
"Kaitangata was still greatly feared, and not commonly practiced. It was looked down upon by people of that time."
covering up a genocide?
I have read the writings by Hirwanu Tapu, as you can tell by how I can name him and the 6 elders who also aided in the manuscripts of 1859 and 1862, to the New Zealand Government, who only made things worse.
Rangi Mariu Rangipa
Pahuta Tamaroro Tamako Mahuta (An ancestor of mine)
Te Awa Ahau Te Ika Rongo Mai Pango
Moke Tatahi Tarehu
Kokiri Matawhatu Kahuwai
Punga Ngamune Kahukura.
Those are the elders, that you can't name. Because you don't know what you are talking about. This isn't misinformation. This is the ONLY information related to the Genocide and the actions after.
as a Māori man I never knew about this part of my culture. Every interesting you learn something new every day. ☝🏽❤️
This channel is criminally underrated
It is !!!!
Agree! It has been consistently interesting for years, and seems less biased than most channels I've watched
@@bschneidezit truly is less biased. Although, nowadays, when people say that they mean "this channel agrees more with MY ideology/perspective of history" instead of actually less biased towards any ideological perspective. Nevertheless, I have been a great fan of the channel for 5 or 6 years because it generally sticks to retelling historical events without any overtly moralistic or political narrativizing. I couldn't say the same about the comment section though cause it's a true cesspit on videos relating to the aztecs or the recent Arab slave trade video.
Probably because they're like Thoughty2. ONly skimming the information.
It also deserves to be a member of the Nebula streaming platform
Never be a people unwilling to fight.
Tale as old as time.
Interesting how similar groups can diverge into such differing cultures.
Always been like this in reality if you trace the genetics, no matter where humans settled.
I think it is important to hear in mind it were British steamboats which brought the warriors from the two Maiori tribes over - who were also equipped with guns by the British. Moiroi actually had not had their peace since 1791 when Broughton “discovered” them. This is not a justification for the committed atrocities but it for the British interests at that time in incurred conveniently - just saying
A remarkable principle but unfortunately not a good one when you have other humans as neighbors.
Can only wonder what the Moriori elders at the time did not see when they were invaded by those tribes?
They probably saw it, but still thought that living by their principles was more important. A truly sad story.
Yeah 2000 throwing rocks is better than 50 chads with no armor
Personally, the lesson I take from this is that pacifism has its limits. It's a good characteristic to have in normal times, but it can only be pushed so far.
It's the old saying if you want peace 🕊️ Prepare for war..
The normal state of nature is competition over resources, peace is abnormal in nature.
Their law of non-violence should have only been applied to themselves.
People who do not know your ways can not be expected to respect them or your lives and land.
The elders were too worried about their legacy and the afterlife instead of the survival of their entire nation/tribe.
I'm from NZ :)
This bit of history is 'swept under the rug'
As if you weren't a legend to me already; this is just immense. Thank you SO much for covering this!
It has never been swept under the rug. It's brought up so many times, and often with misinformation.
@@makoent2231 Sure. 🙄
@@kev1734 Why do you think, if you're capable of that, so many people know about the genocide in the first place?
Always learn something new when Unknown5 uploads. Love the content.
As a New Zealander this was an interesting watch. Have known about the Moriori and what happened to them. If only the younger men had held sway things could have been very different.
Been your subscriber for years. Love your work, it’s fantastic. Thank you for everything you do ❤
Im a kiwi so I have learn’t about this story growing up. Finally a detailed video of the actual events.
Thank You so much for this. I am self learning and heard of Moiri and Ainu, grateful for learning about this tribe...
It's so sad 😭.
Thanks Unknown5! Love this channel 🫡
Moral of the story: pacifism is fine unless dealing with invaders. Better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a battlefield.
Absolute best days when these drop unannounced 🙌💯🦅
In the account that I read of this, the Moriori met and decided to offer the Maori a portion of the island as a way of maintaining peace and coexisting. The Maori used the fact that the Moriori were gathered together in one place to make that offer to the Maori to launch a surprise attack. Then, the Maori proceeded to kill the Moriori men, cook them and eat them.
Close. You're highlighting two different accounts.
The Moriori elders in 1835 believed that they should have let the Maori keep the land that they stole, as they ceased their actions of violence for a few days and appeared wary.
The Maori stumbled upon the meeting and misinterpreted the meeting as a War Party, and took action the next day.
The second part of offering the land came in 1870, when a petition to the New Zealand Government was made to reclaim some of their last land, and the descendants of the Maori Iwi were claiming 'Conquerors Rights'. The response years later was that the Moriori would receive 2.3% of the land back, and the Maori keep 97.3%. By which point in 1870, there were only 101 Moriori left.
" The Moriori failed to gain any title on Pitt or the outlying islands, which
were part of their traditional food sources. The judge had chosen to base his decisions on Māori rather
than Moriori customary law, and to recognise their right of ownership by conquest. Moriori believed
that they held on to the mana of the land by adhering to their ancient laws of peaceful occupation."
The Invasion itself took the lives of 108 women and 118 men. Their names are listed in the manuscripts by Hirawanu Tapu, a survivor the genocide who had documented their entire history, culture, language, and the events of the genocide up to the refusal of the Government to act or recognize their people.
1,336 died from abuse, disease, and despair while they were enslaved between 1835 to 1870.
This channel is so good
2018 consensus of the Moriori is that they number less than 1000 today.
they live in Australia cos of the welfare and higher wages
Do they continue to preach pacifism or learned the lesson?
Way more than true blood Maori
@@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing😂😂😂😂
If there is less than1000 of these people, then they should be given all the help they can get, if it was a kiwi bird or some other endangered speices all stoppers would be avalible to help. !!
Best account of the tragic fate of a people that I've ever come across. I'm a Kiwi ex-pat (55 years away from home) but I knew the bare ones of this story as a kid. I take issue though with your statement that NZ was unsettled till the 13th Century. Look a little deeper and you'll find that Northland, at least, was settled millennia before that, and descendants of those people still live there.
Since you mentioned last pure blood Moriori has died can you tell me or anyone tell me if their any pure blood Māoris left too or what 🤣💀 cos they seem to not acknowledge that .
im sorry but not fighting back or not being aggressiv enough is just stupid, you'll simply vanish in this harsh and brutal world
I miss the longer videos
Wow this is a crazy story that it's so hard to believe that it's true that the Moriori being so pacifist that they wouldn't attack their enemies even when it's necessary. Also this narrator can make a scary story sound like a peaceful bedtime story.
The video itself only shows repeat images of Maori people across different eras. One picture showed survivors of the Orakau massacre/siege(1864), in 1914.
They could have read parts of the journal from the whaling ship, the Lord Rodney. The journal actually offers such an interesting perspective into their situation and the crews opinions of what was happening. Even though the ship was seized, the Maori Chieftains paid for the service, and gave the crew food from the stores that the Maori brought.
Interesting story
Best Narrator!
Not fighting back is insane. Never allow aggressors to destroy you or your people.
This was a fascinating tale and another horrific display of “man’s inhumanity to man.”
Thank you for such thorough research and captivating narration and images.
I wouldn't say thorough. They leave out a lot of information and names. Likely because they're reading from a Wiki page.
@@makoent2231 Why assume that? Also, that would be one helluva long Wiki page!
I said thorough, not complete. Name any group in civilization who can be summarized in this time span.
I get it. Sometimes we all get salty bc we’re in a mood or it’s a sore spot in terms of the topic.
Can we try to be kind to each other?
I need to remind myself to do so.
Cheers.
@@genghis_connie It's almost word for word from wiki, and they repeat themselves every so often. Half the video isn't even about the Moriori.
Lindy, Oversimplified, and Cogito do a much better job of explaining and simplifying events of civilizations in either shorter or longer videos, with accurate information and citations.
Not sure who is insulting whom.
@@makoent2231 Thanks for the heads up on other creators.
Yeah, Wiki info as a solo source isn’t great. It’s a good intro to a topic, very much depending on the topic. I have yet to check.
Makes me think of Cloud Atlas
Great video
People can't help but destroy themselves everything around them
Ah yes another happy ending…
But...but... I'm told ONLY Europeans "conquered & enslaved"?????
Now you're telling me that maybe history has warts and everyone was involved.
(Insert historian tongue and cheek here) Great video as always. Love your topics and takes.
Well Europeans indirectly caused this but nobody’s hands are clean
Europeans if anything are more compassionate, benevolent and tolerant than most conquerors throughout history due to Christian morality and the fact that they did brutal things only speaks to how brutal humanity as a whole is. Non European conquerors would have been even more brutal and many people in the third world know this deep down. Our own liberal establishment however does not and is destroying western civilization with their misguided hatred of themselves.
@@Mkrause762 No the British freed the slaves and made all men equal,that is why Maori try and blame us for their evil. Personally I think they should own up to the many genocides cannibalism of men women and children and of course slavery.But I doubt they have the mana too
Lol...the past will not be repeated if bare bones honesty prevails.
Your comment is a cop-out...
No europeans were making anyone slaughter and eat another people.
@@Mkrause762
Humans conquer and enslave. Nothing new here, carry on.
Jared Diamond talks about this in his book.
things like this is why european thought it was their mission to civilize people, even in current year this still happen in failed states or that one whole failed continent i won't name
Thanks!
stop simping
Poor buggers 😮
Thats what happens when you become a pacifist
Like most of the West..
During the main 7 canoe migration intermarrage happened between maori and moriori i particular the Eastern bay of plenty and east coast and obviously else where..Also when the the vikings and the Normans attacked the British isles they didn't kill everyone especially not the women
Unknown5 uploads and I drop everything to watch.
Oh
Me too.
In Christchurch nz museum
It says the british ordered the killing
They also chopped the trees down
Across nz
Contiplation please. LOve your content
Some of the images used when describing Moriori history are actually Māori not Moriori. An easy way to tell is any images where the people have tattoos is an image of Māori as Moriori didn’t tattoo
Very Interesting Vibe
Freedomed a little too much
Sad Loss
Weakness Isn’t that much of a Peacemaker
Doesn’t mean You have to have War
Just The Ability to prevent It
is that supposed to be a poem, or?
@@TheScotian82 “…”
“Is that supposed to Be a Criticism?”
“Bruh doesn’t Understand UA-cam Comments”
Very sad and tragic this happened to the Moriori people, however, that's what happens when a society is almost like a Utopia for too long. Eventually a lot of the people become softer ,weaker, decadent and very naive. In a way the Moriori became like the Dodo's.
Oh this must be where Mormonism got their "golden plates" ... follow up james Spaulding
Darwin Award of the century
Never understood pacifists. In this world you do unto others before they do unto you!
Kinda soft
They're not Forgotten. They're still an active community in both New Zealand and Chathams.
I'm curious about the sources you cited for your information.
The only first person account of these events regarding the invasion of Chathams Islands, is in the journal of Mr Shand, from the Whaling Brig, 'The Rodney'. There's a lot of information left out in that regard, and false information regarding the health of the passengers, as well as how they seized the brig.
That is not correct. You should be aware of the 1859 and 1862 petitions by 30 Moriori elders to former Governor Grey. The horrors of the 1835 invasion and genocide are detailed by the survivors, including a list of names and how they died (murdered, eaten or died in slavery).
@@snuscaboose1942 What isn't correct? You can't even name the people who wrote the manuscript.
Hirawanu Tapu is the person you can't name. He talks about the horrors of the invasion, and how most of that isn't mentioned in this video.
The Lord Rodney accounts that I mentioned earlier, are also not talked about in this video, and those accounts are also documented. The video is referencing something different from the real accounts from the real journals and manuscripts. It's going off with misinformation.
@@makoent2231 The documents are online, no need for the drama.
@@snuscaboose1942 I know. I just referenced them. And this channel decided not to research them.
Nothing can beat GOg and Magog colonizers
Thus the fallen dark races of earth, fell to never rise again. For the rest of history subjects, to the tyranny of the souless.
They weren't cowards they were tired of living a life of violence there were just as war like as the Maori before taking the vows of nonviolence they were tired and sick.of war bloodshed as the solution for every thing
Yeah, the Moriori sound remarkably stupid.
Welcome back! Immediate like...
Good things come to those who wait
And that's why people over a certain age shouldn't vote or hold positions of authority...
You should probably stop watching The Critical Drinker if you wish to maintain any degree of intelligent analysis
The relief you feel when you quit listening to that negative content Creator, bro makes nothing, but talks smack about other people's achievements/creations.
Voting is literally for gullible gentiles so joke's on you
@@willywonka7812Did the above guy edit his comment? I’m not seeing the connection to the Critical Drinker.
@@samswift102 he's subbed to him. I tend to check out who's been shaping the minds of those whose comments stand out in one way or another
From the outset you have a photo of our tuupuna Tamati Waka Nene in the introduction, then other Rangatira who had nothing to do with this - even got a cheek to put a photo of Kiingi Taawhiao on your video. Rubbish video that doesn't even match the half pai koorero!!
Lol shut up, it doesn’t have to have pictures of Maori related to the incident if that’s all he had he would run out of images, it’s all about giving people an idea of the look of people during those times.
Your just grasping at straws to find any point in time where you can show off that you have knowledge, and let me tell you know one cares about what you know.
The information in the video was the most accurate I’ve seen from a lot of people and so this should be praised as a Maori myself and growing up with Māoris who have wanted their culture shed light on this is the way for it to go.
But people like you who have a superiority complex love beating people down for showcasing what they have learnt for minor mistakes when really we should encourage more people to learn about our culture.
To be honest some of the things Maori did in the past make this seem like a tea party,best never to look into the facts ...it is sickening what humans can do to others.
Samoa and tonga > the maori
moriori werent a tribe bro, they were a snack ,
Morihori were already here before the maoris. This narrative is to protect maori claims as original peoples of this land but they werent morihoris were here 1st
3rd
First😊
Bc the Mori Ori never ever went near or settled on Aotearoa nor did the tribes of the waka invade or exile them to the Chathem Island they admit so shut your BS down and Research this subject thoroughly‼️💯
Savages. The stereotypes always ring true.
The above narrative could very much be both an analogy and allegory for modern Western civilization and its suicidal mass immigration policies.
Absurd comparison. You are comparing conquest and enslavement to mostly economic immigration with a bit of asylum.
Ah yes invaders killing and enslaving people is exactly the same as refugees asking for asylum 😂
You're delusional
@@johnanth "A bit." In the early 1970s America was predominantly white, but now whites will be a minority by 2050. London is predominantly Muslim now and huge swaths of many of the larger European cities are no longer European. All of that with a "a bit" of immigration. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.
Who would have known that face tattoos and self-destructiveness go habd and hand..
Overgeneralizing big time, that's something done all over the world, especially in the Pacific.
But you're an authority on that right?
The tattoos have nothing to do with it.
Nothing to do with it. It is more the human nature of war and geopolitics. And it is primal. Chimps go to war for resources and territory, negotiate with other groups of chimps, have alliances and trade.
Moriori didn’t tattoo
@excavatum90 aye???
@@codysing1223 Did seriously think this was a serious comment, it’s quite obvious it was a joke.
Awesome video you got this video as accurate as possible
All humans can be monsters , all men back then had the same ambition
The europeans only managed there expansion due to numbers and technology so you can say the maori were beaten at there own game
They're not Forgotten. They're still an active community in both New Zealand and Chathams.
I'm curious about the sources you cited for your information.
The only first person account of these events regarding the invasion of Chathams Islands, is in the journal of Mr Shand, from the Whaling Brig, 'The Rodney'. There's a lot of information left out in that regard, and false information regarding the health of the passengers, as well as how they seized the brig.