I appreciate the video, and info on the badlands bullets. I’ve been curious about these. I switched from Barnes to Hammer bullets due to availability, and although I was really reluctant, I couldn’t be happier with the results. I find videos like this invaluable in researching new bullet options!
I'm committing to the 140 gr Bulldozer 2 in my 6.8 Western for next year to get in the field experience with them. I got a feeling I will really be happy with them.
@@simplemindedfella I’ll be following along for updates! They sure seem to perform well so far from what I’ve seen, and an amazing BC to boot. The bullet shanks you’re recovering look just like the bullets I’ve recovered from a couple of black bears (or rather what was behind them). Good weight retention and an impressive wound channel with little collateral damage to surrounding meats. Cheers!
I can send you another handful if you need them. I personally didn’t expect much at the low end. Badlands says 1,700 fps as the minimum and maybe they really mean it. The plus side is that these bullets will retain more velocity with their high bc so they will still be effective at longer ranges than most any other mono bullet. Thanks for your efforts
I have a few more and should be able to find a bottom end. I didn't see a velocity rating when I checked their website, I have to look again. Most hunters don't shoot past 400 yards and the low end operations of bullets have little concern. There's a handful of reasons I always like to know the low end as well. One is what is the effective range based off of muzzle velocity two is when working with youth and what not it is nice to be able to build a reduced recoil load that will still stop game well.
Nice to see another product test on a brand I never knew about. It appears Lehigh controlled chaos and Cutting Edge Maximus have the advantage at lower velocity.
I have the first generation and second. The first is a different alloy copper from the second of these in .264 125gr. I talked to the owners and I believe they said these should open up around 1700-1800fps. @simplemindedfella let me know if you would like to test any of those
Truthfully the low end performance doesn't bother me at all. I'm a hunter, not a ELR shooter that uses animals instead of targets. Even so, at a 2800fps MV those bullets are still traveling 1980fps or more (elevation changes) at 600yds. Glad to see that they perform well at higher velocities though. I'm going to probably load the 140gr in a custom 26 inch 270, sounds like I'll have plenty of bullet for elk sized game and under.
The .277, 128 Badlands Bulldozers (0.531 BC) works great in a 270 Win. There is no need to shoot a heavier bullets in the 270 unless shooting 27 Nosler with a real fast twist, etc. I load them in an old Pre-64 Model 70, so I need to stay with lighter bullets due to the slower twist rate. I am using Staball 6.5 and getting just over 3200 fps at 60 degrees F. I shot two deer sized animals this year, one at 500 yds and one at 515 yards. Both were 1 shot kills and in both cases wound channels were good and bullets exited. I have lots of experience with copper bullets (mostly Barnes and the older Lost River (no longer in business)) and these Badlands have not disappointed. Accuracy is good, BC is high for a lighter bullet and terminal performance was also excellent. When using copper bullets, I like to keep MV over 3000 fps and always shoot at least 1 bullet weight lower than with a standard lead core.
@@gearguidesguns571 Normally I would agree, but I can run 140s around 3050 in my gun, and 130s like you at just a bit over 3200. I have the twist rate to stabilize the 140, and for only 1.5 inches more drop at 500yds I have 4 inches less wind drift in 20mph winds (normal in my area) and 200 ft lbs more energy. Not that any elk or deer is shrugging off a 128gr hitting at 2300fps, but for essentially the same bullet drop my other measures of external ballistics are just a bit better with the 140s. Not to mention the drop is the exact same as my 243 a.i. with the 100gr and 33 nosler with the 200gr. I do mean exact too, I couldn't find a measurable difference at 500yds. Just makes things a little simpler when switching guns for me. If you have pictures of your harvest, there's a thread on the long range hunting forum dedicated to the bulldozer bullets, drop your experiences in there if you would like to contribute.
@@papajohnsy6659 If you have the faster twist rate and can get over 3000 fps, then the 140 is an excellent choice. My old pre-64 M70 probably has a 1:10 twist, which is just enough for the 128 Badlands. The forum you mentions is the Len Backus, Long range Hunting site? I just joined it but haven't posted anything. Generally I never spent much time on Forums, but from time to time, I find some great load and cartridge data. The reloading manuals always underload for safety and sometimes don't show many powder or bullet options. The animals I shot with the 270 were a WY Bighorn and Antelope which took me many years (23 points for the bighorn and 15 points for the Antelope) to draw. These badlands bullets are a real game changer but so many people are hooked on high BC lead core target bullets which can be inconsistent for hunting. If you are shooting a 243 AI and a 30 Nosler, you have some great cartridges. I really like the 7SS and 338 Norma and often shoot a 6.5-06, 7mm and 300 Borden. I feel that new 7 PRC will be the next latest craze, but it has the numbers and efficiency to back it up.
@@anthonyfairbanks2952 at some point I do plan on going through a bunch of the more available factory loads/ammunition. Most of what I am currently doing are bullets that have been sent to me for testing.
Interesting. High bc but not the best performance at low velocity is a bit counterintuitive. Barnes bullets and hammer bullets for me. Frangible lead core is king for long range performance.
High b.c. and good performance at high velocity is actually better in my opinion for a hunting bullet designed for hunting, not shooting game at 3/4 of a mile. High b.c. makes wind drift and bullet drops out to 3 or 400yds a breeze. Even if you wanted to shoot game at 700yds, the 140gr at ~ 3000fps in a 270 is still going almost 2100fps at sea level. With the high b.c. though, that same load zeroed for 250yds is only dropping 29 inches at 500yds and in a 15mph wind I have 18 inches of drift. The highest b.c. hammer that I can run in the same 1-8 twist is a 156gr with a .292 g7. at 2850 that bullet has 34 inches of drop at 500 and 22 inches of wind drift. Like I said, not the best for 1300yds shots on game, but in most cartridges I haven't found a better performing bullet for shots under 600yds.
I appreciate the video, and info on the badlands bullets. I’ve been curious about these. I switched from Barnes to Hammer bullets due to availability, and although I was really reluctant, I couldn’t be happier with the results. I find videos like this invaluable in researching new bullet options!
I'm committing to the 140 gr Bulldozer 2 in my 6.8 Western for next year to get in the field experience with them. I got a feeling I will really be happy with them.
@@simplemindedfella I’ll be following along for updates! They sure seem to perform well so far from what I’ve seen, and an amazing BC to boot. The bullet shanks you’re recovering look just like the bullets I’ve recovered from a couple of black bears (or rather what was behind them). Good weight retention and an impressive wound channel with little collateral damage to surrounding meats. Cheers!
Good show. Excellent demonstration. Thanks
I can send you another handful if you need them. I personally didn’t expect much at the low end. Badlands says 1,700 fps as the minimum and maybe they really mean it. The plus side is that these bullets will retain more velocity with their high bc so they will still be effective at longer ranges than most any other mono bullet. Thanks for your efforts
I have a few more and should be able to find a bottom end. I didn't see a velocity rating when I checked their website, I have to look again.
Most hunters don't shoot past 400 yards and the low end operations of bullets have little concern.
There's a handful of reasons I always like to know the low end as well. One is what is the effective range based off of muzzle velocity two is when working with youth and what not it is nice to be able to build a reduced recoil load that will still stop game well.
Nice to see another product test on a brand I never knew about. It appears Lehigh controlled chaos and Cutting Edge Maximus have the advantage at lower velocity.
I have the first generation and second. The first is a different alloy copper from the second of these in .264 125gr. I talked to the owners and I believe they said these should open up around 1700-1800fps.
@simplemindedfella let me know if you would like to test any of those
Yes I would like to test those.
Simplemindedfella@outlook.com is the best way to get up with me.
I shoot those in my 338 sherman short and my 375 cheytac. Great bullets
Truthfully the low end performance doesn't bother me at all. I'm a hunter, not a ELR shooter that uses animals instead of targets. Even so, at a 2800fps MV those bullets are still traveling 1980fps or more (elevation changes) at 600yds. Glad to see that they perform well at higher velocities though. I'm going to probably load the 140gr in a custom 26 inch 270, sounds like I'll have plenty of bullet for elk sized game and under.
The .277, 128 Badlands Bulldozers (0.531 BC) works great in a 270 Win. There is no need to shoot a heavier bullets in the 270 unless shooting 27 Nosler with a real fast twist, etc. I load them in an old Pre-64 Model 70, so I need to stay with lighter bullets due to the slower twist rate. I am using Staball 6.5 and getting just over 3200 fps at 60 degrees F. I shot two deer sized animals this year, one at 500 yds and one at 515 yards. Both were 1 shot kills and in both cases wound channels were good and bullets exited. I have lots of experience with copper bullets (mostly Barnes and the older Lost River (no longer in business)) and these Badlands have not disappointed. Accuracy is good, BC is high for a lighter bullet and terminal performance was also excellent. When using copper bullets, I like to keep MV over 3000 fps and always shoot at least 1 bullet weight lower than with a standard lead core.
@@gearguidesguns571 Normally I would agree, but I can run 140s around 3050 in my gun, and 130s like you at just a bit over 3200. I have the twist rate to stabilize the 140, and for only 1.5 inches more drop at 500yds I have 4 inches less wind drift in 20mph winds (normal in my area) and 200 ft lbs more energy. Not that any elk or deer is shrugging off a 128gr hitting at 2300fps, but for essentially the same bullet drop my other measures of external ballistics are just a bit better with the 140s. Not to mention the drop is the exact same as my 243 a.i. with the 100gr and 33 nosler with the 200gr. I do mean exact too, I couldn't find a measurable difference at 500yds. Just makes things a little simpler when switching guns for me.
If you have pictures of your harvest, there's a thread on the long range hunting forum dedicated to the bulldozer bullets, drop your experiences in there if you would like to contribute.
@@papajohnsy6659 If you have the faster twist rate and can get over 3000 fps, then the 140 is an excellent choice. My old pre-64 M70 probably has a 1:10 twist, which is just enough for the 128 Badlands. The forum you mentions is the Len Backus, Long range Hunting site? I just joined it but haven't posted anything. Generally I never spent much time on Forums, but from time to time, I find some great load and cartridge data. The reloading manuals always underload for safety and sometimes don't show many powder or bullet options. The animals I shot with the 270 were a WY Bighorn and Antelope which took me many years (23 points for the bighorn and 15 points for the Antelope) to draw. These badlands bullets are a real game changer but so many people are hooked on high BC lead core target bullets which can be inconsistent for hunting. If you are shooting a 243 AI and a 30 Nosler, you have some great cartridges. I really like the 7SS and 338 Norma and often shoot a 6.5-06, 7mm and 300 Borden. I feel that new 7 PRC will be the next latest craze, but it has the numbers and efficiency to back it up.
Do you got a video on Winchester XP in 6.5cm
No I don't
@@simplemindedfella if you can that would be cool
@@anthonyfairbanks2952 at some point I do plan on going through a bunch of the more available factory loads/ammunition. Most of what I am currently doing are bullets that have been sent to me for testing.
Interesting. High bc but not the best performance at low velocity is a bit counterintuitive. Barnes bullets and hammer bullets for me. Frangible lead core is king for long range performance.
High b.c. and good performance at high velocity is actually better in my opinion for a hunting bullet designed for hunting, not shooting game at 3/4 of a mile. High b.c. makes wind drift and bullet drops out to 3 or 400yds a breeze. Even if you wanted to shoot game at 700yds, the 140gr at ~ 3000fps in a 270 is still going almost 2100fps at sea level. With the high b.c. though, that same load zeroed for 250yds is only dropping 29 inches at 500yds and in a 15mph wind I have 18 inches of drift. The highest b.c. hammer that I can run in the same 1-8 twist is a 156gr with a .292 g7. at 2850 that bullet has 34 inches of drop at 500 and 22 inches of wind drift. Like I said, not the best for 1300yds shots on game, but in most cartridges I haven't found a better performing bullet for shots under 600yds.