@@bryanp4827 if you do decide to make a refundable deposit, would you consider using my link? I don’t get any commission, but it does allow them to know that I helped inform your decision.
I went ahead and ordered the Max. Will have to see how it does in May. They had less than 20 remaining of the 1K. Clearly most people were interested in the Max. I was originally waiting to see more of the Hisense C2 Ultra, but at the early price point this will be cheaper and should be good enough for outdoor movie nights on a 150" screen. Let's be honest, you'll find it for less than MSRP at launch, but likely higher than the early price. For indoors I managed to buy a high end screen (145") for less than $100. I'll have enough time to assemble it. A year ago you you'd never hear me saying I'm looking for a home theatre setup. One thing lead to the other and here we are.😅
@@TheFirstRealChewy Sweet! The Max is really the way to go IMO. By the way, I’m not sure if you saw, but I brought this outside for a movie night on 150 inch screen. Take a look at my community page and you’ll see it. It really surprised me how good it is.
Thanks for the review. What kind of camera did you use to record the image from the projector? It looks pretty good and I don't see the usual red tint when filming something in REC2020.
I put my deposit last night I’ll be waiting for the Obsidian black that comes out in may of 2025. And I also purchased the Aurzen boom 3 to hold me down till may of 2025.
Very interesting device. One piece of information that I have not yet been able to find anywhere (not even in the manufacturer's data sheets): Is there a lens memory function for users of a 21:9 scope screen? Would be OK for me if it was only available in the MAX version.
8:20 how is this "IMAX Enhanced" projector different from all the other 16:9 projectors and TVs? I've been able to watch IMAX "Enhanced" movies for many years because they just expand to 16:9. Why does this need a special enhanced mode? Otherwise, thanks for the great review.
@@Pedr4m honestly IMAX enhanced is really confusing to a lot of people. in this context, it means that it passes the IMAX enhanced quality standards for audio and or video. Which is why it includes an IMAX enhanced picture preset. The way I look at it Is it similar to a THX certification back in the day. It should be able to reproduce the image appropriately. But you’re right, you do not need an iMac enhanced certified device to watch the IMAX enhanced version.
I have the same, this leaves enough dough to consider pairing this one with madvr envy core for scope screen plus other benefits of having a video processor.
Looks great but I was wondering how the 4 different models compare side by side. I get the extra features in the top two like zoom but would anyone notice any difference in image quality, brightness and colours ? I assume that the first two require you to move the projector to a position that fills the screen. This might be inconvenient in some rooms. But is the difference in price worth the features ?
I have the same questions... I pre-ordered the Plus 2 and wonder if the extra 1000 lumens are worth $600. Once I have it in position I'm not moving it again (dedicated home theater room) so the optical zoom isn't a deciding factor for me.
Great review. Looks promising, but unfortunately a no go for me as I use a scope screen. I did not see any mention of lens memory on their site for any of the models. Please confirm if I am missing something. Hopefully these are good enough to start putting more pressure on Epson, Sony, and JVC to lower their prices on home theater projectors.
@@unknownspectre yes. I’m working on finishing the Atmos video this week. I also created a DIY polar response rig which I’ll have a video on. I have been just insanely busy this past month.
@@Toid patiently awaiting! I gifted my other atmos speakers to a friend for a bedroom setup (using as L/R, and he's AMAZED by them btw), so I'm looking forward to the next iteration. I actually passed up on buying DIYSG kits because I want to ACTUALLY DIY more speakers lol
This looks to be very good. Im going with either this or the hisense c2 ultra which shares the same spec. Dynamic hdr tone mapping, imax enhanced, dolby vision tone mapping. I think it just needs vrr support for game mode and 4k 120hz for game mode. When there, maybe next year or year after, i think thatll be the best projector
I was considering the Hisense C2 Ultra, but just went ahead with this one. That said, I don't intend to use this for gaming since I have an OLED for that.
@@alcatraznaur5754 I don’t have an ambient light rejecting screen for the style projector. Which you would most certainly want. So I wouldn’t really be able to tell you it’s daylight performance without one.
@@alcatraznaur5754 maybe in the Facebook group. But no projector is designed to be utilized in that manner. if you want to watch a projector with the lights on you should have an ambient light rejection screen. And most people would be going with an ultra short throw for that.
Can you measure the fan noise in a dB reading from various distances? Also since you have other projector experiences please list and compare to them. Thanks
@@Toid Yes, please do! I just got the Mars Pro 2. I really enjoy it but I'd love to see the comparison. I want to see the VisionMaster Max when it comes out May 2025!!
Great video! You said it supports 24, but does that mean the projector properly support 24hz in addition to 23.976hz? What about Blu-ray 3D, any stutter or similar issues?
I'll have to go back and check my measurements. But I too have an old JVC 1080p Dila the RS-46u. It is a great projector, but there really is no comparison between the two. The brightness, vibrancy and color output combined with the black floor on this Valerion has banished the JVC to the corner - looking for a new home. The Valerion just looks so much better and is much quieter. Sometimes, I think we focus too much on absolute black floor, while forgetting all the other features that make a great projector.
The black floor will depend on the screen size and brightness target. If you're targeting 100 nits for example (around 150" at the 1700 lumens another reviewer measured): Native: 100/2944 = 0.033 nits EBL: 100/12605 = 0.0079 nits With EBL you're looking at a black floor not far off of what you'd expect from JVC without FFTB.
Does this projector still use the smaller 0.47 DMD chip? If so, then Benq and Viewsonic are a better proposition as their latest models come with the larger chip offering better native contrast and higher reliability.
It does use the 0.47" DMD. There are no BenQ or Viewsonic models that can approach the VisionMaster's (or modern UST's that also use the 0.47") native contrast of 3000:1. The size of the chip has little to nothing to do with contrast. Also the 0.47" chip has been very reliable in UST projectors - again it's not the chip that's the issue it's the cooling design. Optoma was known to cut a lot of corners in that area which is why so many failed.
@@tbob2224I posted a reply but somehow it doesn't show. I will try again. Thanks for responding. I'm no expert but do read extensively about projectors as I am in the market for one myself. My guru is a guy called GregW, who runs a French site called mondoprojos, a treasure trove for all matters relating to the latest in projector technology. English translations are provided, so definitely worth checking out. He is a professional calibrator and reviewer of projectors, so I'm only repeating what he has observed, that the larger 0.65 DMD chip provides better native contrast. This is based on a calibrated image, not on the manufacturer's specs which are generally obtained via dynamic picture mode setting. At the end of the day, what really matters is the picture quality, irrespective of how this is achieved. All UST projectors continue to use the smaller chip with fabulous results. Personally, I am leaning towards the Benq HT4550i but my main concern is the dreaded RBE. Would be interesting to see how the Valerion measures up to the Benq or even the Viewsonic 4K X-1.
Hi, thanks a lot for the review. Do you know if there's any current or planned smart home integration like Home Assistant? Would be very cool if things like zoom and so on are accessible.
@@mikebor11 I’ll have to get the dimensions of it. I like the Mars Pro 2, but it isn’t in the same league as this. The Mars pro only did 100% of rec 709 and its black floor was considerably higher. This does 100% of rec2020 (more colors) and has better blacks. Like I said in the review, I haven’t seen a projector this good at this price point.
@@DigitalPlaygroundTV i have not had the pleasure of reviewing that one. But based on the contrast, this one should have much better contrast that is typically seen as a better overall picture. As I said in the video, though, I haven’t seen any projector in this price range that comes close with the quality this one offers.
Am new to kickstarter and I have a question hopefully someone can answer for me. If I do the $50 when do I have to complete the transaction or pay the 1999 for the max? I see the max is not shipping until mid of next year. Thanks
@@lordzee2947 the best thing is to read the Kickstarter FAQ to make sure that you understand everything help.kickstarter.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005126094-When-is-my-card-charged
Nice review. 🎉 How big of an image can i get at 11 feet away. I am looking for a image larger than 135 inches at 11ft away. Currently considering a Benq tk710sti
@@ghfhghghgh according to their Facebook page if you go with the pro two or the max they have optical zoom that would allow you to place it around 105 to 173 inches. The Plus 2 would need to be around 140 inches
What about the sound | speakers when compared to similar projectors? Better, worse, the same? Particularly interested in a better/worse comparison to Harman Kardon Xgimi Horizon 2x8w speakers
At first How good is it Compared to something Like the epson ls12000b or formovie Theatre PS: There is one thing that i have complain about, you said it‘s an 1300 Dollar Projector but its an 2500 Dollar projector to be fair 😬
I think i missed this one 😕 was it comparable to other 10k tv‘s this size ? I mean on paper the Valerien Visionmaster Max is was ahead of what the epson ls 12000b can do , or what AWOL Vision ltv-3500 can do 🤔
@@ramonlach1195 not true. epson ls12000b has i.e. native contrast of 4.800:1 and has laser dimming technology like EBL is laser dimming technology. VIsionMaster Max native contrast is >3k:1
Thanks for the Video!! Could you tell a little bit about the internal speakers? How do they sound and how do they compare to their Xgimi and Jmgo counterparts? The Jmgo N1S apparently sounds very good for what it is.
@@in4kdaysaroundtheworld380 i’ll have to listen more to the speakers. Honestly, I typically use external sound. However, I did use the internal speakers when I connected it directly to the Xbox X. it sounded fine and was more than loud enough for me. But I wasn’t critically judging it. I was just trying to enjoy playing some games. Thing I’ll say for sure is it doesn’t sound like a typical projector.
@@Toid I assume most people will use an external soundsystem, but I'm not planing to. Im changing places so often, that I want to have as little separat electronics as possible. So I would be very happy about a bit more detailed sound review when possible. Thank you :)
@@vinitpatel8617 no. You missed that. That was for a limited time before the Kickstarter began. Currently they have the early bird special, which is still a great deal. With most kickstart, the early bird special is only for so long and then the price gets raised again. So if you’re interested, I would pledge sooner than later.
Can you connect an Sonos soundbar to the Valerion? Or does this require a wired connection as the soundbar and projector would be on opposite places in the room ?
Is this a short throw? If so, how far does it have to be from a 120" screen? Does the max version worth it? How do these compare to something like Hisense px3-pro?
@@RonenLin the max and the pro two have optical zoom. That means you can be anywhere between 94 and 156 inches. I do review coming out soon on the Hisense Px3
In a controlled light room home cinema setup and the valerion max pro what is the best possible projector screen tonuse ? Is too much information ou there about materials and alr and layers of the screen and ratio i am Lost,any suggestions and recommendations? Thank you very much
What I would suggest is ordering samples. Most reputable screen manufacturers will send you samples that you can test in your room. Even light controlled rooms can react differently. For example I got some samples from Silver Ticket and decided the WAB - which is an acoustically transparent screen was best for me. I also really like Seymour AV if you want to DIY a screen (I have a video on that). But in the end it is best to look at screens in your budget that fit the size you want, then figure out the material. For some of the best values, I think Silver ticket is up there.
@@Toid thank you very much,I will probably go above any view distance and screen to projector distance recommendations and use a 130 inch screen for my 10ft by 10ft by 8ft height first home cinema attempt 🤗🤗 no comments........🫣
Just for waaoooo effect did you notice and you have seen the video about the AWOL cedia 2024 wall led screen and what they did? 42k for this technology screen all including is insanely cheap with the current state, compared to 100k + for some other companies ,one of the biggest reasons why I am going all in for the pro Max is because AWOL backed up the company Thank you very much again for your quick response and advice
It looks like vidda/Hisense sold their c1 device blueprints and they changed their design path with C2 series. I wish all lifestyle projectors added a function that shifts the active image to the top or bottom of the screen and will buy the one that has this, or the best of them. Does it require so much processing power or its just a simple function? You cant imagine how helpful it is with a masking system, because lens memory on a projector is not always accurate but this way projector stays idle and the image never looses alignment. So far I have only seen madvr core, envy and lumagen processors do it, why not the projectors? I mean they dont have lens shift this way they can get more home theatre clients. Its very inconvenient not having lens shift. And I mean all not the MAX version that does offer this function. If valerion can transfer on screen what we see on paper I am so going for it.
@@gufiaito69able yes. For any of them. That saves you the extra $200. If you would use my link, just let them know that I sent you. I don’t make commission off of it, but it let them know that this video helped you.
I’ll have a video out within the next day that will answer that. Side-by-side testing and you can be the judge. Make sure to hit the subscribe button and ring the bell so you get notification when I drop the video.
@@appdata007 I’ve heard great things on the Formovie. But you have to remember they are two different projectors for two different use cases. So that rabbit depends on what you want from your projector
they keep raising the price non stop... like WTH..... it's now 1100 $ more then what you are showing... I was interested at 1899 but now it's getting too expensive sadly.. they are getting greedy after all those good reviews you guy's did.....
@@Bigguns761 sadly, you missed the kickstarter. Those were special prices for the kickstarter. But don’t worry, if you subscribe, I’ll try to let you know next time so you don’t miss out
99% of the new projectors in a “ budget zone” are these portable-sounded-boxed ones. Would it be to much some manufacturers launch projectors for dedicated spaces with no compromise regarding aesthetic, built in speakers of portability?
Sorry, no. The difference between 100 and 150" is absolutely massive. These also support 3D properly so if you're into that you'll get a much better experience. The brightness of course will be much higher on the TV's but these will still get pretty bright. VA panels also typically have massive amounts of motion blur - I much prefer gaming on 4k 60hz on DLP over 4k 120hz on my VA mini LED (U8K), the response time on VA is just too slow for that refresh rate - especially in dark areas - up to 32ms (equivalent to 30hz) in fact! Now if we were talking OLED then yes, 4k/120hz is amazing, I love playing games on my OLED (LG C2), but it's not as immersive as a larger screen.
@@tbob2224 I guess game changer to me means changing the actual game.. If you can get a 100 inch mini led TV now cheaper and with arguably a better picture then a 120 projector set (brightness/HDR/144hz) why bother going thru all the hassle? 5 years ago a 100inch tv with decent mini LED contrast was $15k+.. much more then a decent 4K projector.. Now if you got a decent 100 inch tv in the lounge are you really going to be bothered to stick a movie on in the cinema room? Or even build a cinema room for that matter??? Ours hardly gets used since we got a new 85inch.
@@tbob2224 agreed. The other issue that a lot of people don’t think about is whether they can logistically fit 100 inch television in their house. It might fit in the space, but you have to figure out a way to get it upstairs around corners through hallways, etc. It’s a lot harder to do that than it is to move a projector into a room. In some cases, it won’t even be possible to fit 100 inch television.
Projectors are so much more flexible. Take it with you to a friend. Move to your next flat, without choosing the flat by if you can somehow ffs get the god damn giant tv into it. I'd never buy such a big tv if I didn't know for sure that I'll keep in that house until I die. Also, projectors use less energy. A TV of that dimensions will use ~400-500 Watt * hour. This valerion projector will be somewhere between 100-250
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Thank you for your review ❤ was desperately waiting on it. Will be a hard tough time until May 😂
Me too. 😁
I saw a bunch of ads for this and thought it was a scam, this looks great!
I understand, I was very skeptical about its performance as well. It genuinely surprised me.
AWOL projectors are top notch! I have the 2500 model and the picture is amazing!!!!!
Thank you so much for your review. I think I'll definitely be going for this projector
@@nickdean468 you won’t be disappointed
WOW! These smaller form factor projectors now, are REALLY stepping it up! I'm definitely going to look into Valerion a lot more now!👍👍
@@bryanp4827 if you do decide to make a refundable deposit, would you consider using my link? I don’t get any commission, but it does allow them to know that I helped inform your decision.
I went ahead and ordered the Max. Will have to see how it does in May. They had less than 20 remaining of the 1K. Clearly most people were interested in the Max.
I was originally waiting to see more of the Hisense C2 Ultra, but at the early price point this will be cheaper and should be good enough for outdoor movie nights on a 150" screen. Let's be honest, you'll find it for less than MSRP at launch, but likely higher than the early price.
For indoors I managed to buy a high end screen (145") for less than $100. I'll have enough time to assemble it.
A year ago you you'd never hear me saying I'm looking for a home theatre setup. One thing lead to the other and here we are.😅
@@TheFirstRealChewy Sweet! The Max is really the way to go IMO. By the way, I’m not sure if you saw, but I brought this outside for a movie night on 150 inch screen. Take a look at my community page and you’ll see it. It really surprised me how good it is.
Thanks for the review. What kind of camera did you use to record the image from the projector? It looks pretty good and I don't see the usual red tint when filming something in REC2020.
I put my deposit last night I’ll be waiting for the Obsidian black that comes out in may of 2025. And I also purchased the Aurzen boom 3 to hold me down till may of 2025.
@@nickdean468 nice!
Fantastic video, thank you Toid!
Very interesting device. One piece of information that I have not yet been able to find anywhere (not even in the manufacturer's data sheets): Is there a lens memory function for users of a 21:9 scope screen? Would be OK for me if it was only available in the MAX version.
its not available maybe they will provide in future via FW update
Thanks for this review 👍🏻
Always enjoy your projector reviews!
Did you test the projector with any black and white movie? Nobody ever tells how does this look on a laser projector.
8:20 how is this "IMAX Enhanced" projector different from all the other 16:9 projectors and TVs? I've been able to watch IMAX "Enhanced" movies for many years because they just expand to 16:9. Why does this need a special enhanced mode?
Otherwise, thanks for the great review.
@@Pedr4m honestly IMAX enhanced is really confusing to a lot of people. in this context, it means that it passes the IMAX enhanced quality standards for audio and or video. Which is why it includes an IMAX enhanced picture preset. The way I look at it Is it similar to a THX certification back in the day. It should be able to reproduce the image appropriately. But you’re right, you do not need an iMac enhanced certified device to watch the IMAX enhanced version.
I have to ask about aspect ratio any chance of a 2:35 or 2:40 or is it just 16:9?
I have the sane question
I have the same, this leaves enough dough to consider pairing this one with madvr envy core for scope screen plus other benefits of having a video processor.
Looks great but I was wondering how the 4 different models compare side by side. I get the extra features in the top two like zoom but would anyone notice any difference in image quality, brightness and colours ? I assume that the first two require you to move the projector to a position that fills the screen. This might be inconvenient in some rooms. But is the difference in price worth the features ?
I have the same questions... I pre-ordered the Plus 2 and wonder if the extra 1000 lumens are worth $600. Once I have it in position I'm not moving it again (dedicated home theater room) so the optical zoom isn't a deciding factor for me.
Great review. Looks promising, but unfortunately a no go for me as I use a scope screen. I did not see any mention of lens memory on their site for any of the models. Please confirm if I am missing something. Hopefully these are good enough to start putting more pressure on Epson, Sony, and JVC to lower their prices on home theater projectors.
Any DIY videos coming up? Forum has been pretty dead lately 😢
@@unknownspectre yes. I’m working on finishing the Atmos video this week. I also created a DIY polar response rig which I’ll have a video on. I have been just insanely busy this past month.
@@Toid patiently awaiting! I gifted my other atmos speakers to a friend for a bedroom setup (using as L/R, and he's AMAZED by them btw), so I'm looking forward to the next iteration. I actually passed up on buying DIYSG kits because I want to ACTUALLY DIY more speakers lol
This looks to be very good.
Im going with either this or the hisense c2 ultra which shares the same spec.
Dynamic hdr tone mapping, imax enhanced, dolby vision tone mapping.
I think it just needs vrr support for game mode and 4k 120hz for game mode. When there, maybe next year or year after, i think thatll be the best projector
I was considering the Hisense C2 Ultra, but just went ahead with this one. That said, I don't intend to use this for gaming since I have an OLED for that.
Good video, how is the picture compared to the Hisense px3?
Any visible rainbow artifacts? Wonder if the 3 laser helps to virtually eliminate that.
I have not seen any. However, I do want to admit that I am not the most sensitive to seeing rainbow effect.
I haven't heard any other reviews complain about RBE.
How's the performance in daylight and ambient light?
Can you show sample in daylight time?
@@alcatraznaur5754 I don’t have an ambient light rejecting screen for the style projector. Which you would most certainly want. So I wouldn’t really be able to tell you it’s daylight performance without one.
@@Toidis it possible if you can display on wall and lights on please?
@@alcatraznaur5754 maybe in the Facebook group. But no projector is designed to be utilized in that manner. if you want to watch a projector with the lights on you should have an ambient light rejection screen. And most people would be going with an ultra short throw for that.
They ALL look shite on walls @@alcatraznaur5754
Do you have any coupon codes to order Valerian Pro2 or Max?
Can you measure the fan noise in a dB reading from various distances? Also since you have other projector experiences please list and compare to them. Thanks
@@HurdRobert I’ll try to do a comparison video of it versus the Mars Pro 2 sometime
@@Toid Yes, please do! I just got the Mars Pro 2. I really enjoy it but I'd love to see the comparison. I want to see the VisionMaster Max when it comes out May 2025!!
@@sebastienlinck4908toid might have convinced me to wait for May
@@ToidI would really love to see the comparison between the plus 2 and pro 2.
Thank you for the review! Deposit in place! Looking for ward to may 2025 and the max version.
@@KevisFilms great choice!
hey nick its me jason i posted on the forums. great video
Great video! You said it supports 24, but does that mean the projector properly support 24hz in addition to 23.976hz? What about Blu-ray 3D, any stutter or similar issues?
Hi , will be another Kickstarter or no chance for that?
For an 120'' projector screen which Valerion projector do you recommending ?
Any black floor measurement comparisons? Seems like it show get decently dark. I am spoiled by my ancient JVC DILA projector currently for blacks.
I'll have to go back and check my measurements. But I too have an old JVC 1080p Dila the RS-46u. It is a great projector, but there really is no comparison between the two. The brightness, vibrancy and color output combined with the black floor on this Valerion has banished the JVC to the corner - looking for a new home. The Valerion just looks so much better and is much quieter. Sometimes, I think we focus too much on absolute black floor, while forgetting all the other features that make a great projector.
The black floor will depend on the screen size and brightness target. If you're targeting 100 nits for example (around 150" at the 1700 lumens another reviewer measured):
Native: 100/2944 = 0.033 nits
EBL: 100/12605 = 0.0079 nits
With EBL you're looking at a black floor not far off of what you'd expect from JVC without FFTB.
What is FFTB?
@@kensingtonwick FFTB=Full Fade to Black
@@HurdRobert that gets me hot and heavy😂😂😂
Wow awesome review thx👍👍 did you see any kind of Rainbow Effect? Lovely greetings
How far below the screen edge does it need to be if not using keystone (pointing directly straight ahead for best image quality and full resolution)?
It's got + / - 100% LENS SHIFT...
@@bryanp4827 Not the Plus 2 model reviewed here.
@@bryanp4827 only max has vertical lens shift
Great review! Did you notice any rainbow or laser speckle effects?
@@harrythehawk I did not. I will say that I am not particularly sensitive to rainbow effect. But I did not experience either.
How good is the wifi?
Does this projector still use the smaller 0.47 DMD chip? If so, then Benq and Viewsonic are a better proposition as their latest models come with the larger chip offering better native contrast and higher reliability.
It does use the 0.47" DMD. There are no BenQ or Viewsonic models that can approach the VisionMaster's (or modern UST's that also use the 0.47") native contrast of 3000:1. The size of the chip has little to nothing to do with contrast.
Also the 0.47" chip has been very reliable in UST projectors - again it's not the chip that's the issue it's the cooling design. Optoma was known to cut a lot of corners in that area which is why so many failed.
@@tbob2224I posted a reply but somehow it doesn't show. I will try again. Thanks for responding. I'm no expert but do read extensively about projectors as I am in the market for one myself. My guru is a guy called GregW, who runs a French site called mondoprojos, a treasure trove for all matters relating to the latest in projector technology. English translations are provided, so definitely worth checking out. He is a professional calibrator and reviewer of projectors, so I'm only repeating what he has observed, that the larger 0.65 DMD chip provides better native contrast. This is based on a calibrated image, not on the manufacturer's specs which are generally obtained via dynamic picture mode setting. At the end of the day, what really matters is the picture quality, irrespective of how this is achieved. All UST projectors continue to use the smaller chip with fabulous results. Personally, I am leaning towards the Benq HT4550i but my main concern is the dreaded RBE. Would be interesting to see how the Valerion measures up to the Benq or even the Viewsonic 4K X-1.
Hi, thanks a lot for the review. Do you know if there's any current or planned smart home integration like Home Assistant? Would be very cool if things like zoom and so on are accessible.
@@0andrewwilson0 it is supposed to work with Google Home, Apple, HomeKit, Alexa, and control 4
Do you prefer it over Mars Pro 2 and how is the size compared to mars pro 2. I can’t find dimensions of it on their website?
@@mikebor11 I’ll have to get the dimensions of it. I like the Mars Pro 2, but it isn’t in the same league as this. The Mars pro only did 100% of rec 709 and its black floor was considerably higher. This does 100% of rec2020 (more colors) and has better blacks. Like I said in the review, I haven’t seen a projector this good at this price point.
How does it compare to the Epson (price and picture)?
Is this better than the new JMGO N1 Ultimate ?
@@DigitalPlaygroundTV i have not had the pleasure of reviewing that one. But based on the contrast, this one should have much better contrast that is typically seen as a better overall picture. As I said in the video, though, I haven’t seen any projector in this price range that comes close with the quality this one offers.
Is this going to do a good replacement for a Epson 5050? I don't feel like it has all the features.
Can this bad boy be ceiling mounted?
Am new to kickstarter and I have a question hopefully someone can answer for me. If I do the $50 when do I have to complete the transaction or pay the 1999 for the max? I see the max is not shipping until mid of next year. Thanks
@@lordzee2947 the best thing is to read the Kickstarter FAQ to make sure that you understand everything help.kickstarter.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005126094-When-is-my-card-charged
You'll have to pay the rest when the Kickstarter ends on November 24. They should send you an email.
How does this compare to the epson 5050ub
Nice review. 🎉
How big of an image can i get at 11 feet away. I am looking for a image larger than 135 inches at 11ft away.
Currently considering a Benq tk710sti
@@ghfhghghgh according to their Facebook page if you go with the pro two or the max they have optical zoom that would allow you to place it around 105 to 173 inches. The Plus 2 would need to be around 140 inches
Over 150". Also consider optical vs digital zoom depending on the model.
are the pictures done with an ALR?
@@hblockx16 no. It’s using a white acoustically, transparent screen from silver ticket. WAB material
Vision Max PRO, Will it a good competence for JVC NZ8 and LS12000 for home theater to use with 180" screen?, Please give your honest opinion.
What about the sound | speakers when compared to similar projectors? Better, worse, the same? Particularly interested in a better/worse comparison to Harman Kardon Xgimi Horizon 2x8w speakers
At first How good is it Compared to something Like the epson ls12000b or formovie Theatre
PS: There is one thing that i have complain about, you said it‘s an 1300 Dollar Projector but its an 2500 Dollar projector to be fair 😬
Big Thx for the Review🙏🏾
When Hisense launched their 100” TV, it had an MSRP of $10k but sold for $3-4k. Was it a $10k TV? Or a $3-4k TV?
I think i missed this one 😕 was it comparable to other 10k tv‘s this size ?
I mean on paper the Valerien Visionmaster Max is was ahead of what the epson ls 12000b can do , or what AWOL Vision ltv-3500 can do 🤔
If the Details are right there is no need to sell it at this pricepoint
@@ramonlach1195 not true. epson ls12000b has i.e. native contrast of 4.800:1 and has laser dimming technology like EBL is laser dimming technology. VIsionMaster Max native contrast is >3k:1
Curious about your taste on their top tier, if you can get ahold of it. 🤔
@@chrisgraunke9269 I am supposed to be receiving a Max when it’s available. Don’t worry there will be videos on it.
@@Toid I look forward to it. If this is as good as this looks, I can't wait to see what the max looks like
@@chrisgraunke9269 I’m the exact same way. I keep thinking, man if this is how good the plus 2 looks, how good is the Max going to look?
Thanks for the Video!! Could you tell a little bit about the internal speakers? How do they sound and how do they compare to their Xgimi and Jmgo counterparts? The Jmgo N1S apparently sounds very good for what it is.
@@in4kdaysaroundtheworld380 i’ll have to listen more to the speakers. Honestly, I typically use external sound. However, I did use the internal speakers when I connected it directly to the Xbox X. it sounded fine and was more than loud enough for me. But I wasn’t critically judging it. I was just trying to enjoy playing some games. Thing I’ll say for sure is it doesn’t sound like a typical projector.
@@Toid I assume most people will use an external soundsystem, but I'm not planing to. Im changing places so often, that I want to have as little separat electronics as possible.
So I would be very happy about a bit more detailed sound review when possible. Thank you :)
How do you put the $50 deposit? Is that the same as the pledge amount
@@vinitpatel8617 no. You missed that. That was for a limited time before the Kickstarter began. Currently they have the early bird special, which is still a great deal. With most kickstart, the early bird special is only for so long and then the price gets raised again. So if you’re interested, I would pledge sooner than later.
Can you connect an Sonos soundbar to the Valerion? Or does this require a wired connection as the soundbar and projector would be on opposite places in the room ?
you can connect through Bluetooth or use a 10' HDMI arc cable
@@basic_coder Do you have any coupon codes to order Valerian Pro2 or Max?
@@P.SomasekharReddy-r1p I don't, I pre ordered it through Kickstarter
You think the max extra features are worth the wait and price? I pledged my 50$.
@@Jackyahbish I do.
This looks very promising. Thinking the Max will replace my Xgimi Horizon Ultra. Deposit in place.
Is this a short throw? If so, how far does it have to be from a 120" screen? Does the max version worth it? How do these compare to something like Hisense px3-pro?
@@RonenLin the max and the pro two have optical zoom. That means you can be anywhere between 94 and 156 inches. I do review coming out soon on the Hisense Px3
@@Toid so it's not a short throw projector like the px3-pro
What type of screen do you use to get the best out of a projector like this?
Really the screen choice is going to be up to you and your environment. I use an acoustically transparent screen.
Would you buy the base Valerion Plus model or the Dangbei DBOX02 if they are the same price?
@@davidgeorgion5764 I will have a side x side comparison video out soon. That way you can make that decision for yourself
How loud are the fans?
@@excxflyr the are very quiet. Most of the time, virtually silent. Some of that depends on where you’ll have the projector
@@Toid what kind of screen are you using, thinking about an ALR for me?
@ I’m using a Silver Ticket WAB
Would this kick my Benq HT3550’s butt?
@@Subacabra yes
@@Toid thanks dude!
In a controlled light room home cinema setup and the valerion max pro what is the best possible projector screen tonuse ? Is too much information ou there about materials and alr and layers of the screen and ratio i am Lost,any suggestions and recommendations? Thank you very much
What I would suggest is ordering samples. Most reputable screen manufacturers will send you samples that you can test in your room. Even light controlled rooms can react differently. For example I got some samples from Silver Ticket and decided the WAB - which is an acoustically transparent screen was best for me. I also really like Seymour AV if you want to DIY a screen (I have a video on that). But in the end it is best to look at screens in your budget that fit the size you want, then figure out the material. For some of the best values, I think Silver ticket is up there.
@@Toid thank you very much,I will probably go above any view distance and screen to projector distance recommendations and use a 130 inch screen for my 10ft by 10ft by 8ft height first home cinema attempt 🤗🤗 no comments........🫣
Just for waaoooo effect did you notice and you have seen the video about the AWOL cedia 2024 wall led screen and what they did? 42k for this technology screen all including is insanely cheap with the current state, compared to 100k + for some other companies ,one of the biggest reasons why I am going all in for the pro Max is because AWOL backed up the company
Thank you very much again for your quick response and advice
It looks like vidda/Hisense sold their c1 device blueprints and they changed their design path with C2 series.
I wish all lifestyle projectors added a function that shifts the active image to the top or bottom of the screen and will buy the one that has this, or the best of them.
Does it require so much processing power or its just a simple function? You cant imagine how helpful it is with a masking system, because lens memory on a projector is not always accurate but this way projector stays idle and the image never looses alignment.
So far I have only seen madvr core, envy and lumagen processors do it, why not the projectors?
I mean they dont have lens shift this way they can get more home theatre clients. Its very inconvenient not having lens shift. And I mean all not the MAX version that does offer this function.
If valerion can transfer on screen what we see on paper I am so going for it.
Will the $50 deposit reserve for the max ?
@@gufiaito69able yes. For any of them. That saves you the extra $200. If you would use my link, just let them know that I sent you. I don’t make commission off of it, but it let them know that this video helped you.
I did use your link @@Toid
@@gufiaito69able thank you. I appreciate it
witch one best this or dangbei mars pro 2 ?
I’ll have a video out within the next day that will answer that. Side-by-side testing and you can be the judge. Make sure to hit the subscribe button and ring the bell so you get notification when I drop the video.
How does ot compare with formvie theatre 🎭 4k ....o feel the look on formvie usk is excellent ❤😊
@@appdata007 I’ve heard great things on the Formovie. But you have to remember they are two different projectors for two different use cases. So that rabbit depends on what you want from your projector
@@Toid what I want is best image quality....that's the only criteria
Wish we would get back to the DUY stuff :(
they keep raising the price non stop... like WTH..... it's now 1100 $ more then what you are showing... I was interested at 1899 but now it's getting too expensive sadly.. they are getting greedy after all those good reviews you guy's did.....
@@Bigguns761 sadly, you missed the kickstarter. Those were special prices for the kickstarter. But don’t worry, if you subscribe, I’ll try to let you know next time so you don’t miss out
no optical zoom at that price point? Jesus....
@@HowDareYouu what projector compares to this at this price point that has optical zoom?
The viewsonic LX700-4k Rgb is the closest model I can think of. I really hope the AWOL team looks at supplying a 1.6x zoom model also.
13 years ago I bought my Acer H7531D for 850€ with optical zoom
99% of the new projectors in a “ budget zone” are these portable-sounded-boxed ones.
Would it be to much some manufacturers launch projectors for dedicated spaces with no compromise regarding aesthetic, built in speakers of portability?
I am 1 for 4 on actually receiving a Kickstarter product, so ah, that’s a No for me.
If you are familiar with AWOL you will reserve one of these bad boys yesterday
I think the real game changer is 100 inch mini led tvs for under $2k now.. Makes projectors a bit pointless.
Sorry, no. The difference between 100 and 150" is absolutely massive. These also support 3D properly so if you're into that you'll get a much better experience. The brightness of course will be much higher on the TV's but these will still get pretty bright.
VA panels also typically have massive amounts of motion blur - I much prefer gaming on 4k 60hz on DLP over 4k 120hz on my VA mini LED (U8K), the response time on VA is just too slow for that refresh rate - especially in dark areas - up to 32ms (equivalent to 30hz) in fact!
Now if we were talking OLED then yes, 4k/120hz is amazing, I love playing games on my OLED (LG C2), but it's not as immersive as a larger screen.
@@tbob2224 I guess game changer to me means changing the actual game.. If you can get a 100 inch mini led TV now cheaper and with arguably a better picture then a 120 projector set (brightness/HDR/144hz) why bother going thru all the hassle? 5 years ago a 100inch tv with decent mini LED contrast was $15k+.. much more then a decent 4K projector.. Now if you got a decent 100 inch tv in the lounge are you really going to be bothered to stick a movie on in the cinema room? Or even build a cinema room for that matter??? Ours hardly gets used since we got a new 85inch.
@@tbob2224 agreed. The other issue that a lot of people don’t think about is whether they can logistically fit 100 inch television in their house. It might fit in the space, but you have to figure out a way to get it upstairs around corners through hallways, etc. It’s a lot harder to do that than it is to move a projector into a room. In some cases, it won’t even be possible to fit 100 inch television.
Projectors are so much more flexible. Take it with you to a friend. Move to your next flat, without choosing the flat by if you can somehow ffs get the god damn giant tv into it. I'd never buy such a big tv if I didn't know for sure that I'll keep in that house until I die. Also, projectors use less energy. A TV of that dimensions will use ~400-500 Watt * hour. This valerion projector will be somewhere between 100-250
TV'S are SHIT
Compare to awol3500 pro please
Can you compare to vidda c2 ultra