Love your videos, Ashley. Great points well made. The point about WW2 is not true - it was over effectively before the atomic bombs were dropped. What they did do is set the tone for international relations ever since - the message was for the USSR+, not the Japanese.
I noted that as well, but seems like she's just using it as a narrative device. For the purposes of this video, it might as well be true. The accuracy of that statement doesn't change anything here.
The part on voluntarily agreeing to rules of a group at the end reminds me of a coworker talking about their Grand Theft Auto online community. That server ran like a normal society, you had to drive safely, people did boring bureaucratic jobs for hours on end in their free time. Made no sense to me, I only like games in a fantasy universe. But then, I look at the foraging mechanics in many games, that is like a job and I like it. Gather a bunch of whatever and make it into something that changes the way the game behaves? Yes please, that's empowering. You can have that experience in real life too, making a hallucinogenic DMT potion will certainly give a surprisingly impactful result. I can't help but wonder how the power of hallucinogenic experience is changing the dragon. Not into that these days, but it shifted the direction of my life towards hobo gardener for sure lol, I'm grateful :)
I agree that the setup is a lot better than the punchline. Try to be good? Spend more time making your group better and less criticizing outsiders? Totally insipid, so far. Is she really gonna do a whole series without ever naming a name? I suppose she knows the dragon can limit her reach or kick her off of yt. This must be one of those inconsequential little projects that sucks the energy we would otherwise put into something that actually inconveniences the dragon.
I've been trying to figure out how to create an incentive system that encourages both the direction of the adversarial energy to toward your own tribe in positivity and to creat me cross-tribe cooperation. I'd love to hear your thoughts!
If I had to use one word it'd be agriculture. Empires are based on centralized production, a monoculture of one plant to fit the needs of the plow and other optimization strategies is the perfect symbol of empire. Corn is our mightest god. Holy Lord Potato. Sacred Virgin Soy. Wheat, the guardian of the Underworld. We have many gods in our pantheon, we are their slaves. We go to war, fueled by their power, to spread them across the land. The answers come fromm the garden, where many share the same space and gain strength from each other. No plow to destroy the web of life within the soil Instead, you care for the soil web and it opens up new life from chelating minerals in the soil for plants to use so you can eat ripe fresh nutritous food full of life. We gotta stop being such simps for the teat of global production and distribution systems. Become mature beings that can enrich their surrounding ecosystem with good design so it grows more abundant while providing for our needs. But first, global collapse due to bad design. I hope to be around to help rebuild.
An example of adversarial energy is the puer aeternus group (colleges universities students and young progressives) and the sennex group ( conservatives, traditionalists, corporate ladder types and vocational traders)
I believe carl marx would have called the dragon the super structure the opising arms would be nations or religions in conflict, and atomic collaboration as class consciousness. Am i right?
Nice video. I see this a lot, in unfettered capitalism, in the sexual battle and in the morning v night shift battle. There’s usually a bad taste and a drive for revenge that ends up more destructive than anything and maybe that’s useful fuel but the cost outweighs the benefit. I can’t help seeing it encapsulated in the song 96 teardrops and the vow of revenge. If both sides had a larger perspective, they could work together and live better for it.
Yes, but the dragon is clever. We need to stop playing the finite game and start playing the infinite game (see book by James P Carse with the same title.) Sadly, we are all too entrenched with playing the finite game, much like the way the 'west' plays the 'short' game and the Chinese play the 'long' game. We just will never get along because we are playing two entirely different games. How to fix this? I have absolutely no idea, sorry. But, one thing I do know is that until and unless we do manage to sort each other out there will be no playing field left.
Pretty clever/insightful. I'd be right proud if I came up with it. However the notion that self-selecting into new institutions won't be manipulated by the dragon/ingroup or become its' own dragon is short-sighted (and where does the resiliency against come from). You literally need to create a new non zero sum game to play.
No, that's why it's an institution. The self-selection + the guardrails around institution like tradition, custom, out and out agreed to rules, public expectation can be a bulwark. Co-option into the dragon is still a risk, but not a foregone conclusion.
I am not sure to be honest about this whole idea. I see too many problems. Basically this atomic collaboration is always how it starts, then there are two ways it settles. Either the new thing works for awhile, then gets corrupted and you are back at point zero, or it creates a splinter group that just becomes another adversary. When conflicts stops, it is usually by creating a supergoal both groups agree with and then can collaborate. More often than not, it's hate towards a third group, but sometimes it's collaborative. Now, that a bit abstract, but I would suggest you look into religious groups in the past, groups like the Benedictines and the Franciscans. It starts with an idea, they start their own groups, then corrupts, than there are reforms and a split. And it's not because they are different, just that some are less zealous than others. That's a good study of group dynamics. And it's really not something new. It's extremely rare you have different outcomes than this. I seriously can't really think of one right now. It can work for very small things, but if a group has stopped caring for the overall goal that made them the same, there is just no turning back. And it does not end up in one group destroying the other as you suggest, just segregation. Both groups coexist in their separate ways, which in the end are the same since they all corrupt eventually. Then they all die at some point, quietly. Also this atomic collaboration, it's pretty much what has been going on in the West since WW2. It's what is destroying things, because of self-guilt about this or that. So it's not like we don't have it, it's what caused all the current splinters. And yes, some people and the economy in general was able to accommodate those things to some degree so far, even making lots of money over it. But it's still a sickness of dragon, which isn't a good thing because there are other dragons. If I look at your analogy, is it even a good idea to actually fight the dragon? like does an arm fight the whole body? it seems a bit crazy. A house divided cannot stand, as some would say. I think that's the real problem overall, everybody blame the dragon, and they all blame each others because dragon bad and at this point, this common hatred is the only things that keeps arms from staying with the body. And this self-hatred is not much different than the atomic collaboration imo. It's not seen like that of course. Just like those religious groups, they all thought they were doing good for Christ, but they thought the Church was corrupt and they would blame others in their own in-group of not doing enough to combat it. And in the same way, the Church could say: "see, we have those groups that are pure and so on, not everybody is corrupt, and those groups would thrive for awhile with new applicants, then corrupt and state, and it would go on and on." So in other words, I think you are correct in the analysis at some level, but the solution is still part of the problem and it's no different than in the past, it's the exact same.
I like to approach these videos as if I were a student, not a debate club participant. You're actually demonstrating the problem that she's outlining by posting this. You're immediately adversarial to the idea, rather than entering the conversation open to the possibility that you may not have already thought of this. Consider that you're encountering new information, not something you've already read.
I follow your analogy, but you should be more aware of the history of the Atomic bomb. It wasn't deployed until well after Japanese surrender. Arguably, the greatest weapon of WW2 was international trade and the power of states to force market actors to engage in directed action.
I would add the example of uk minority poche rulers and the weakest political American of all both responsible for not allowing facism to win favor even with how weak . uk wealth without numberd but in usa it wss vice versa enough classical population but no money only chickens.lol I go as far as saying it's only by the anchor of pragmatic common sense Christian objectivism phylosphy being established & rooted enough by heritage where as others was still adopting English among other things we hold dear but was very alien in those days. Loose sloppy generalizations vs strong identifiers pulled it back Economically we do loose eventually but very hybrid mild version. Ironically 1900s structuralism false flag these roots and anchor exaggerating fringe among them .
It seems to me that the only way to kill the dragon is through the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. If we can let the Lord into our heart, then we can see the dragon for what it is. We can actually give grace to both arms, because He overflows our hearts with it. He told us to love the Lord God with all our hearts and to love our neighbor as if he were ourselves. That is the diffusion of all adversarial energy. That is the death of the dragon. I pray that our blessed Mother, O Holy Virgin, the Queen of Heaven will change your hard hearts and help all of you see Her son for what He is: The Way The Truth and the Life.
As usual, asking all the right questions, focusing on all the right topics.
Your willingness to dive deeply into abstract ideas is inspiring
You are incredibly gifted in insight and communication.
Love your videos, Ashley. Great points well made.
The point about WW2 is not true - it was over effectively before the atomic bombs were dropped. What they did do is set the tone for international relations ever since - the message was for the USSR+, not the Japanese.
Agreed. It was a flex against the Soviets.
I noted that as well, but seems like she's just using it as a narrative device. For the purposes of this video, it might as well be true. The accuracy of that statement doesn't change anything here.
Great videos on purposefully difficult to decipher narratives. Thanks for all you're doing.
Thank you, we will need these models to help us the victims of our system to understand what is happening
Thanks!
I really appreciate the recognition on this video in particular. Thanks!
The part on voluntarily agreeing to rules of a group at the end reminds me of a coworker talking about their Grand Theft Auto online community. That server ran like a normal society, you had to drive safely, people did boring bureaucratic jobs for hours on end in their free time. Made no sense to me, I only like games in a fantasy universe. But then, I look at the foraging mechanics in many games, that is like a job and I like it. Gather a bunch of whatever and make it into something that changes the way the game behaves? Yes please, that's empowering. You can have that experience in real life too, making a hallucinogenic DMT potion will certainly give a surprisingly impactful result. I can't help but wonder how the power of hallucinogenic experience is changing the dragon. Not into that these days, but it shifted the direction of my life towards hobo gardener for sure lol, I'm grateful :)
I'd like to hear you talk to After Skool and/or Daniel Schmachtenberger!
these videos are so informative
Great set up but im not sure what the atomic collaboration part is. In group collaboration?
I agree that the setup is a lot better than the punchline. Try to be good? Spend more time making your group better and less criticizing outsiders?
Totally insipid, so far. Is she really gonna do a whole series without ever naming a name?
I suppose she knows the dragon can limit her reach or kick her off of yt. This must be one of those inconsequential little projects that sucks the energy we would otherwise put into something that actually inconveniences the dragon.
I've been trying to figure out how to create an incentive system that encourages both the direction of the adversarial energy to toward your own tribe in positivity and to creat me cross-tribe cooperation. I'd love to hear your thoughts!
Thank you. Common sensical! 👍
Call the dragon what it actually is: Empire
If I had to use one word it'd be agriculture. Empires are based on centralized production, a monoculture of one plant to fit the needs of the plow and other optimization strategies is the perfect symbol of empire. Corn is our mightest god. Holy Lord Potato. Sacred Virgin Soy. Wheat, the guardian of the Underworld. We have many gods in our pantheon, we are their slaves. We go to war, fueled by their power, to spread them across the land. The answers come fromm the garden, where many share the same space and gain strength from each other. No plow to destroy the web of life within the soil Instead, you care for the soil web and it opens up new life from chelating minerals in the soil for plants to use so you can eat ripe fresh nutritous food full of life. We gotta stop being such simps for the teat of global production and distribution systems. Become mature beings that can enrich their surrounding ecosystem with good design so it grows more abundant while providing for our needs. But first, global collapse due to bad design. I hope to be around to help rebuild.
An example of adversarial energy is the puer aeternus group (colleges universities students and young progressives) and the sennex group ( conservatives, traditionalists, corporate ladder types and vocational traders)
I believe carl marx would have called the dragon the super structure the opising arms would be nations or religions in conflict, and atomic collaboration as class consciousness. Am i right?
sort of, the mechanism of atomic collaboration seems more like an internal dialectic
Nice video. I see this a lot, in unfettered capitalism, in the sexual battle and in the morning v night shift battle. There’s usually a bad taste and a drive for revenge that ends up more destructive than anything and maybe that’s useful fuel but the cost outweighs the benefit. I can’t help seeing it encapsulated in the song 96 teardrops and the vow of revenge. If both sides had a larger perspective, they could work together and live better for it.
It's invaluable to be able to criticize systems without all the ideology.
Yes, but the dragon is clever.
We need to stop playing the finite game and start playing the infinite game (see book by James P Carse with the same title.) Sadly, we are all too entrenched with playing the finite game, much like the way the 'west' plays the 'short' game and the Chinese play the 'long' game. We just will never get along because we are playing two entirely different games.
How to fix this? I have absolutely no idea, sorry. But, one thing I do know is that until and unless we do manage to sort each other out there will be no playing field left.
Nate Hagens podcast The Great Simplification
"Search others for their virtues, thyself for thy vices." -- Benjamin Franklin
Pretty clever/insightful. I'd be right proud if I came up with it.
However the notion that self-selecting into new institutions won't be manipulated by the dragon/ingroup or become its' own dragon is short-sighted (and where does the resiliency against come from).
You literally need to create a new non zero sum game to play.
No, that's why it's an institution. The self-selection + the guardrails around institution like tradition, custom, out and out agreed to rules, public expectation can be a bulwark. Co-option into the dragon is still a risk, but not a foregone conclusion.
You’re amazing. I like the theory I think the dragon needs to be destroyed and it’s gonna take 50 years.
I think we'll be surprised.
I am not sure to be honest about this whole idea. I see too many problems.
Basically this atomic collaboration is always how it starts, then there are two ways it settles. Either the new thing works for awhile, then gets corrupted and you are back at point zero, or it creates a splinter group that just becomes another adversary. When conflicts stops, it is usually by creating a supergoal both groups agree with and then can collaborate. More often than not, it's hate towards a third group, but sometimes it's collaborative.
Now, that a bit abstract, but I would suggest you look into religious groups in the past, groups like the Benedictines and the Franciscans. It starts with an idea, they start their own groups, then corrupts, than there are reforms and a split. And it's not because they are different, just that some are less zealous than others. That's a good study of group dynamics. And it's really not something new. It's extremely rare you have different outcomes than this. I seriously can't really think of one right now. It can work for very small things, but if a group has stopped caring for the overall goal that made them the same, there is just no turning back. And it does not end up in one group destroying the other as you suggest, just segregation. Both groups coexist in their separate ways, which in the end are the same since they all corrupt eventually. Then they all die at some point, quietly.
Also this atomic collaboration, it's pretty much what has been going on in the West since WW2. It's what is destroying things, because of self-guilt about this or that. So it's not like we don't have it, it's what caused all the current splinters. And yes, some people and the economy in general was able to accommodate those things to some degree so far, even making lots of money over it. But it's still a sickness of dragon, which isn't a good thing because there are other dragons. If I look at your analogy, is it even a good idea to actually fight the dragon? like does an arm fight the whole body? it seems a bit crazy. A house divided cannot stand, as some would say. I think that's the real problem overall, everybody blame the dragon, and they all blame each others because dragon bad and at this point, this common hatred is the only things that keeps arms from staying with the body. And this self-hatred is not much different than the atomic collaboration imo. It's not seen like that of course. Just like those religious groups, they all thought they were doing good for Christ, but they thought the Church was corrupt and they would blame others in their own in-group of not doing enough to combat it. And in the same way, the Church could say: "see, we have those groups that are pure and so on, not everybody is corrupt, and those groups would thrive for awhile with new applicants, then corrupt and state, and it would go on and on."
So in other words, I think you are correct in the analysis at some level, but the solution is still part of the problem and it's no different than in the past, it's the exact same.
I like to approach these videos as if I were a student, not a debate club participant. You're actually demonstrating the problem that she's outlining by posting this. You're immediately adversarial to the idea, rather than entering the conversation open to the possibility that you may not have already thought of this. Consider that you're encountering new information, not something you've already read.
Tl;dr: Atomic Collaboration is Big Comintern.
I follow your analogy, but you should be more aware of the history of the Atomic bomb. It wasn't deployed until well after Japanese surrender. Arguably, the greatest weapon of WW2 was international trade and the power of states to force market actors to engage in directed action.
You just described why the best roast comics go after what they love. The ones who go the other way end up making asses of themselves (cough).
Human extinction will not happen in your lifetime.
I would add the example of uk minority poche rulers and the weakest political American of all both responsible for not allowing facism to win favor even with how weak . uk wealth without numberd but in usa it wss vice versa enough classical population but no money only chickens.lol
I go as far as saying it's only by the anchor of pragmatic common sense Christian objectivism phylosphy being established & rooted enough by heritage where as others was still adopting English among other things we hold dear but was very alien in those days.
Loose sloppy generalizations vs strong identifiers pulled it back
Economically we do loose eventually but very hybrid mild version.
Ironically 1900s structuralism false flag these roots and anchor exaggerating fringe among them .
It seems to me that the only way to kill the dragon is through the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
If we can let the Lord into our heart, then we can see the dragon for what it is. We can actually give grace to both arms, because He overflows our hearts with it. He told us to love the Lord God with all our hearts and to love our neighbor as if he were ourselves. That is the diffusion of all adversarial energy. That is the death of the dragon.
I pray that our blessed Mother, O Holy Virgin, the Queen of Heaven will change your hard hearts and help all of you see Her son for what He is: The Way The Truth and the Life.