DISASTER AT THE FLATS - The Fate of the Oatman Family. In the hot desert towards Yuma, Arizona.
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STORY:
Mary Ann and Royce Oatman had seven children, and Mary Ann was pregnant with their eighth during their journey from Illinois to the Gila River. The father decided to strike out alone with his family away from the protection of the larger group. On their fourth day out, they were approached by a group of hostile Native Americans. Bad things would follow...
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Most graves are unknown and lost to history.
Some are famous.
And some infamous....
....and some with tragic endings.
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I think I’m going have to make this qualification for every wild west type of episode I do (as I outlined in my Doc Holiday introduction of episode Part 1):
As I always say, in these these historic episodes, you can’t get all hung up on the details, because NOBODY knows the details. They are lost in the sands of time. Just like Doc Holliday and Billy the Kid history; only 50% of what you hear might be fact.
Nobody knows- and if they say they know, they’re lying. (especially family descendants, who selfishly want to protect the legacy - just look at Wyatt Earp’s wife Sadie / Josephine; she fabricated practically everything).
Ron, you do such an incredible job telling these stories... i watch them as bedtime stories before falling asleep. Thank you so much!!
Amen Ron
Agreed. Thanks Ron
@@ritanoel2828 you could apply that saying to our government....
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What a heartbreaking story. Being a pioneer was no glamorous life. The hardships were many and death was often a reality. Thank you you Ron for not letting these people disappear into history.
Somebody thought pioneer life was glamorous?
A land thieve!
@@thornil2231 An ignorant comment. The earth was given to ALL mankind. If that land was so special why did the Yavapai have to kill a family for food? They would have been able to farm it and have an abundance of food. But it’s barren and dry. They were opportunists. Not everyone is good just because they were born in an area of earth.
Another intriguing story! So many "forgotten" stories out there, and you're tackling them, one-by-one! Thank you Ron!
She’s buried in Sherman TX. Beautiful woman. Bless her soul.
She is I live in Bonham tx 30 miles east of sherman
First off, I can't even fathom what Lorenzo must have been feeling, but the bravery it took to muster enough will to climb and stumble and fight for life! Secondly, I guess I never knew that there would be volcanic rock in that area. Fascinating story of will and perseverance along with horrible crimes and loss. Poor Olive! Her life was a tough but interesting one. Thank you for this story
That volcanic rock are those folders I was pointing out near the top where the massacre site is. I actually believe that is where they’re buried, near or up there. Remember that’s what Lorenzo described.
It is possible though that they were moved, (father Of Arizona I mentioned) people say that they were moved down to that grave. I guess we’ll never know.
I would be proud if he was related to me!
@@FacesoftheForgotten This is a mystery for the ages!
@@FacesoftheForgotten This is a mystery for the ages!
@@JoeMotionVideos82 how awesome! I love that thank you
I can’t imagine how scared the boy would’ve been and how incredibly physically painful for him to have walked to safety.
History is just filled with unimaginable hardship and tragedy. This one is especially sad and heartbreaking. I’m watching this on Memorial Day Weekend and it’s a good reminder that not only wars founded this nation. Good hardworking settlers fought and lost a lot too. Olive was a beautiful young lady. Thank you Ron for another beautiful history lesson. RIP to the brave family. 🌹
Olive was very pretty.
Please remember this nation was already founded. If you mean good people stole and murdered the original people's of this land to get this land well then I hear you.
@@lilnugget5961 It wasn't a nation but mostly uninhabited land until the influx of people from Mongolia came over. A nation has borders, but there were none. Native Americans were their own worst enemies in this regard, with the most brutal tribes able to hold on to some areas. Until the next more brutal ones came along. Talk about treaties, both sides broke them with impunity.
Native Americans did not until the very end join up to try and fight against a common enemy. And so it goes, on and on. It is disconcerting to read how many innocent settlers, just trying to make a go and survive, were tortured beyond belief. This seems the way of mankind.
It is so interesting to read the diaries and journals of settlers and emigrant trains that trekked across the plains bound for the west coast. There are diaries of women who detailed their trials and tribulations which are fascinating to read. All these people were so very tough it's hard to imagine.
History is sad but interesting and mostly forgotten because it's scary and hard and painful to remember. Is a strange reason why I like searching and hearing these stories. Because if forgotten it's often repeated. And I'm a history buff . And like all stories the good and the bad its what makes us what we are as Americans and as human beings in this world.
I have seen the photo of Olive many times over the years. It is fascinating to see where this happened and possible mass grave. Thanks Ron
What a famous story, filled with tragedy, but also the love that Olive developed for her captors. Thanks Ron.
They were probably sexually assaulted on a daily basis. Poor kids ended up developing Stockholm Syndrome.
It's called Stockholm Syndrome. Not really much different than how sex trafficker's groom women in modern times.
Probably Stockholm syndrome.
riverbender - It wasn't "love". The modern terminology is "Stockholm Syndrome".
What a sad story yet what is beautiful in this tragedy Olive loved the people,also reunited with Lorenzo couldn’t of imagine what they both went through. Being Cherokee myself but raised right here in New Zealand as I’ve recently returned 15 years living abroad it’s these stories that have depth and need to be told. As always Ron you share with respect and humility Thank You 🙏🏽
If she did have 2 children that were left with the tribe, she lived with the loss of 2 families (if they weren’t taken from her at birth). I can’t even begin to imagine…🥺
Ron, thank you for going the extra mile & for the time you put in to bring us these special videos.
Another great story lost to time until you make a video. Thanks for all the wonderful video's, Ron.
Glad you did this video on the Oatman family massacre Ron. This massacre is apart of history that should never be forgotten and the Oatman family should always be remembered.💗 They all had such a hard way of life back then. Their deaths was unnecessary and sad. RIP to the Oatman family.
Stay safe out there Ron.🙂💟
I was JUST in Oatman, AZ for the first time ever last week! What crazy timing for this video to premiere! I’m so excited. 😄
for the river run?
@@martinedwards4522 nope just driving back to the SF Bay Area from Sedona, decided to check it out!
@@karolinesmail489 yeah it used to be a big part of the "river run" every april.... then the law enforcement saw fit to crack down on their biggest $$ week of the year n run the bikers off ( much to the displeasure of local oatman business!) ... then came the violence in laughlin in 2002... now the river run is ruined for all!..( it used to be alot of fun!)
The Harley run every April 26/28 is still happening EVERY YEAR. THE COPS HAVENT STOPPED THIS RUN. I LIVE 6MI AWAY. Martin dont lie !!
@@unclejack41 not lyin jack!.. last one i went to there was more cops than bikers
so dont accuse someone of lying when theyre just telling their experience
What a tragic story and so much suffering and death. RIP to all.
Olive was an exceptionally beautiful girl..
I love stories from that time period and when they happen
in such a rugged place it's that much better..
You really outdid yourself with the story of the Oatman family!
Unbelievable he was able to walk out. It looks like miles and miles of walking to safety. Commend you for getting out and walking in the dry heat for us to go along with you.
Ron, I love all of your stories. But my favorite are of our Native People. Their lives are so interesting. Such a beautiful way of life. Thank you!
Hi Ron,
I recommend for more of these reading “ A Fate Worse than death Indian Captivities in the west 1830-1885”. A lady buried in a local cemetery here experienced a similar fate. She witnessed her mom killed with a spear and spent the rest of here life looking for her sister.
John Brassard
What a horrific experience that must have been. Hellish.
Thank you for keeping these memories alive. I remember hearing this story a long time ago as a child.
I have heard of the story before and I’ve seen that picture of Olive with her tattoos how sad for her and her whole family
Another great adventure thank you for sharing
Another great history, Ron. I'm amazed you are in such good shape you can hike and talk at the same time!
Very interesting, sad, but interesting! Thanks so much for this peace of history Ron. I have seen pictures of her but never knew the story!
I just finished this book. The story of the Oatman sisters was very interesting and how they were able to adapt. Glad you were able to keep history alive.
Poor Olive. She was forced to leave the people who had become her "family," and possibly her children, for the sake of the tribe. Thank you for telling her story, Ron.
I used to live in Kingman and also for a bit in Oatman. This story always fascinated me. Oatman is like an outlaw town with lots of history along with wild donkeys roaming around. We used to feed them out of our back door. So sad what happened to this poor family. 😔💔 I’ve never been to the actual site of the massacre though. Wow..🤭
Lived in Bullhead City for 20 years. Use to go to Oatman all the time. That whole area is harsh and brutal especially in the 120 degree heat in the summer.
Rest in peace to Al the family makes me cry 😭
Actually, this story is down by Yuma. Was the town of Oatman named after them?
Ok, Nevermind, I just looked it up on Wikipedia. The town was named after Olive according to Wikipedia.
Thanks so much Ron. This was wonderful. RIP peace to all in the massacre.God bless ❤.
A fascinating story, Ron, well-told with your hallmark kindness and compassion. One wonders if Olive ever reassimilated into what was known as “White Society” or if she at least semi-identified with the Indians who rescued her from the Mohave Indians. R.I.P. Oatman Family. Thanks to Ron .. We Remember You.
A Native-American mind in a white-female body.
@@internetcensure5849 My thoughts as well.
Great channel, man. Hope you get back to DFW soon I have some interesting spots to recommend. Olive’s grave in Sherman is about an hour or so north of Dallas Fort Worth. Was up there not too long ago. People still leave items.
Thanks I have had her grave on my list for a while there, but was more intrigued to go into the desert to where it all happened, and of course the grave of those massacred. The general location at least. It was very eerie.
I can’t imagine what this poor family went through being attacked like that, and then the two girls and Lorenzo lived such different lives, after the massacre of their mother, father and siblings. Rest in Power and fly high with the angels! ✨♥️
Ron thank you so much for taking us on the journey of the Oatman Family!! May they All rest in peace
I always wondered if this story was the inspiration for “stands with fists” backstory in Dances With Wolves
Got my reminder set!!
What an interesting return to the past narrated by the best. I wish you were my history teacher. What a great story about the great western past!
Twenty one minutes i felt as if i was living in 1856... One of the best from your channel. Thank you sir for transporting me to that wonderful era.
Thank you -that’s what I aim for!!
I've known this story for a long long time, and it is a definite tug at the heart strings. Thank you for the hike and for sharing it with us. It is absolutely unreal. Beautiful Arizona, my birth state. I cannot imagine the terror. God rest them.
Great story telling of this sad event. I wonder if she ever had a life with her children. Thank you!!
I knew this tale but thoroughly enjoyed hearing it retold with the walk-along. Thank you sir… what a delightful surprise.
She was a beautiful girl such a crazy sad event and all she went through… this would make a great movie.
We tend to forget just how dangerous the wild west was.
I have read about this story since I was in jr high school I can not imagine how torn Olive must have felt
Another interesting history lesson. Thank you Ron for sharing this with us. I wonder if Olive ever visited the tribe after she left?
Olive Oatman's character was portrayed in the western series Hell On Wheels with the main character Cullum Bohannon and well worth the watch .
Thank you for remembering the Oatman family and their story . I have come across their story before whilst reading about the ' westward expansion ' which from America's first nation was seen as an invasion from their point view .
All these tribes war amongst themselves with frequent raids and skirmishes where no quarter was given and no quarter was expected .
So really they were doing to white Americans the same as they did to themselves. But nonetheless it was still a horrendous act . Over time I think the story has become much more nuanced such as Olive Oatman
not being embarrassed by her chin tattoo making no effort to conceal it . Also her reluctance to leave the tribe , had she been asked I think she would had probably stayed with them .
Still a tragedy for the Oatman family who were only expecting a better life but ultimately gained some kind of immortality through their tragic end .
May they all rest in eternal peace and once again united as a family .
Have heard of the girls capture but never have i seen or heard it like this! It was so odd abd a little unnerving as to the date of the massacre as Feb 18. Its my birthday.
@@GlennaVan There’s a textbook called An Indigenous History of America. And Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. The first I haven’t read yet. The Bury book I read fifty years ago and was shocked.
I respect you so much for taking the time to tell about these people that we would never have known of.
May their soul rest in peace!💐😔 THANKS!😊
Thank you, Ron.....a sad reality for many on the road with US expansion to the old west. 😢
So sad but during that time it unfortunately was a risk you took but I'm so glad that the Mojave trib helped her and eventually found her brother...Great job Rob as always
Olive Oatman died in my hometown of Sherman TX and her grave is down the street from my apartment. Such an amazing story
Very sad story. But the history of it is very interesting. Thanks Ron a great story. Have a Blessed day
Ron you always bring history to life for me. What a sad story. To watch your family being murdered had to have been traumatic. There’s no telling how long these girls were in a state of shock. To the one that had two children it had to have been hard to leave them behind.
I’m happy she eventually was reunited with her brother. Those frames are absolutely beautiful. I would love to have a pair like that but I’m sure they’re not even made like that anymore.
For the sister that wanted to join her family in death is so terribly sad yet I can understand. Life with the ones that slaughtered your family had to be so hard. She probably never got those brutal images out of her head.
Many thanks Ron for giving this family life if only for those of us that watched this story. God bless you.
After your video, I just had to go there - live about 2 hours away, so it's not a big deal. What a fantastic drive and adventure! You can get there by car; however the good drive ways are private and closed. Ended up driving in Gila river bed - sand trail requiring a 4x4 (with AT tires). Very beautiful place. That volcanic rock is amazing.
awesome place, cool you went!!!!
Nice to see you here in Arizona; we have so much history that’s interesting!
You find really great places and the stories behind these places are great. Thank you 🍺🍻
HI, Ron - And thank you for remembering the Oatman family, and for telling their story as close to the facts as you are possible. I love that you love to go out into remote regions just to explore on your own.. I'm not objectionable to extended periods of solitude myself.. So I kind of get that. ♥️ XX
I've heard all kinds of wild hearsay about what happened with the Oakes family - particularly with regards to Marianne and Olive after the cruel massacre of their family. The pioneers of the day were incredibly brave to go out there into the wide and unknown expanses of the West, with only what they could carry with them .. The territory itself was hostile enough - without the natives attacking them as well. But I do try to imagine how the natives might have felt about this too.. trying to subsist in small units in an unforgiving wilderness, that had been THEIR wilderness since time immemorial, with barely enough to eat for themselves - And then out of the East come all these strange new people with even stranger pale skins, and with more and more of them coming all the time, and who appeared to have wealth beyond measure inside their strange covered wagons, but with weapons that made hunting meat - THEIR meat - so simple, yet they could easily kill them too... I really don't know how I might have felt were I a native just trying to survive myself. But I really have to wonder at Olive's seeming preference for life with the tribes-women who saved her from the original captors that had enslaved her and had also murdered her family.. Why did she not speak up when she could have been rescued years earlier? Did she so totally embrace the tribal lifestyle that she didn't wish to be rescued? I've always wondered if this was because she actually preferred her life with them compared to the likely hefty restrictions of her life, in that day and age, as a young female member of the Morman sect that her family had belonged to...? There are rumours that she had even mothered several children whilst living with the tribe. If that's true, then she would have been so torn to leave them behind..and again, why did she not speak up? Could it be because by the age of 14 she would have been well-versed in the teachings of her sect, and she feared condemnation by the Church AND by society in general if it were known that she'd had children? I have a feeling that her early life in the sect was not very pleasant..and I don't think 'being rescued' was a barrel of laughs for her, either.
Rest in Peace, Olive Oakes, Margaret Oakes, and all the massacred members of the Oakes family - You are not forgotten : ) XX ✝️
I meant OATMAN - darned Autocorrect! Even went back and corrected it!
But I also forgot the hero of the story - Lorenzo!
Rest in Peace, Lorenzo Oatman - you are not forgotten! XX♥️
Excellent theories! Very well said. She probably had a new family and was very happy with them. She only left them for the sake of the tribe when they were threatened with reprisals.
Never forget the Trail of tears 😢.
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A sad but true story of our past, This needed to be told. A+ :)
Thanks for this segment - I have a book on the Oatmans and have been long interested in their story! Oh, and I got my T-shirt! I love it!
R.I.P. to the family. Ty for story. God bless
I read this book and I've always wanted to see the site where this all happened! Thanks! In the book Olive said her sister starved to death.
Dehydration = starving = very similar, but as I always say, you can’t get all hung up on the details because nobody knows the details, they’re lost in the sands of time. Just like Doc Holliday in Billy the Kid history, only 50% of what you hear might be fact. Nobody knows- and if they say they know, they’re lying..
@@GlennaVan Read this book. Captivity of the Oatman Girls! By Royal B. Stratton
@@GlennaVan I'm pretty sure their Slaves got whatever scraps were left over, if any! 😭
@@GlennaVan She didn't want to leave that 2nd tribe at all. Now I'm going to have to read that book again.
Hi from Australia. We always seemed to underestimate the role of women in history, and when we finally get to hear their stories we are in awe. If she had had two children, it seems even more cruel that she lost her family twice. The desolate landscape, the story, is incredibly sad. The choices and chances pioneer families make and took are incomprehensible to us. I really like the sensitivity you gave this because there was no anger or blame towards the tribes people. The truth is it was how the world was back then, and while we view with our here and now eyes, in many ways the suffering was never just the white pioneers, it was also the suffering experienced by the Indians. Great story telling, very compassionate, and thought provoking. Thanks so much for sharing.
What a sad story. You’re a great history teacher,I always learn by listening to you? Thank you so much for all the work you do for us all.
So much hardship in the settling of the country. If true it is sad that Olive had to suffer another hardship on her return leaving children behind.Sad story but a very interesting slice of history well told. Keep Safe❤Keep Well❤
We went to Oatman this year to the museum and read about this. Pretty neat to see the site.
I want to thank you Ron! So much research goes into every story and you bring those stories to life with such clarity! My hat is off to you sir! Again, Thank You!
I’ve been to Oatman, AZ. Had to look up if this was related, and it sure is. Can’t wait for the story.
I’ve been to Oatman love the donkeys
Watch out for rattlesnakes!
Was very interesting. I honestly never heard of it at all. But that view for Lorenzo I dunno what I’d be thinking even now there’s nothing to be seen. Just sadness upon sadness, even the end has tragedy, leaving behind two children. 😩. Thank you
WOW ! Great one. I wonder if it was this story that inspired John Waynes Movie "The Searchers" with Natile Wood.
yes it was
Beautiful tribute and wonderful presentation! Well done Sir!!!
Very sad indeed but I’m sure not an isolated incident the good part was that two of the children were re United .Thank you for another story of americas past,stay safe,well from ballarat in Oz,👋👋👋👍🇦🇺
Thanks for sharing!
This was one story that I hung on to every word I learn a lot that I never heard by watching you go from place to place! Thanks for all that you do!
This one really made me sad, Olive lost her family not once, but, twice...being forced to leave her (children), or the tribe be murdered 😢
Good evening everyone ☺ 😊 😀
Thank you for telling their stories and bringing them back to life.
Thankyou for your time.. Very interesting 🙏🏼❤️
Read her story years ago. Very interesting! Love the old west stories and Civil War stories.Please do some more captive stories!
Another amazing story from our history thanks Ron for all your visits to help us learn of all our history
Thankyou so much for this story. For searching these souls long ago and stories I had no idea about and keeping them alive in our/my memories. God Bless You always! ♥️
Love your story narrative and your since of humor. Thank you for telling us this history.
Thank you for another awesome story.
You were born to be the Story Teller.❤️
Wow.. what a story.. thanks for sharing
Thank you.
You, have a wonderful delivery.
Thanks for bringing this story to life for us Ron! Lorenzo was such a brave young man to fight so hard to get to safety and take people back to show them where most of his family had been killed!
Poor Olive! But I wonder if after all that time she really wanted to go back with her Brother? We'll never know. But I hope she ended up being happy! Thanks Ron! Remember to drink lots of water out there! 💕
I doubt it if she had two children. What Mother really wants to leave her children. Likely she wanted to know her brother and just say, hey I am O.K., but given their choices of being massacred to get her back, she likely left to save her children, herself and the others from being massacred. Too bad they did not find her sooner when she was with the first tribe that her new tribe rescued her from. It must have been hard for her to reunite with her own people with those scars on her face too. I wonder if any man married her after that with those scars and if she got a new family ever.
What a great story. Thank you Ron
💙💙 thank you for telling this story
Always love your videos; so historical and revealing !!
Yes that looks like an amazing hike with great historical connotation
Ron thank you for your work to tell this terrible story. May all their souls R.I.P.
Very fascinating story! I drove by Yuma the other day in my way home from a road trip with my Miata Club to the Flying Miata Summer Camp 2022 in Grand Junction Colorado. Got to drive a lot of beautiful roads in Utah and Colorado in our zippy Miata’s and had a blast. But I got to drive through Yuma for the first time on the way back from that on Monday and never knew about this story. Thanks for sharing. You have a talent for storytelling Ron.
Great story. Thank you for sharing ❤
fascinating. thank you!
Wow another banger of a video Ron! Keep em coming you rock
Thanks Ron! You did a good job explaining that historical event!
I have heard this story forever.....the details are amazing.....thank you Ron for your knowledge.....