Thanks for sharing the whole process of starting this critter. I love to learn more about these old engines. First time I've run across a 2-stroke with a charging cylinder.
its amazing the engineering the old timers came up with.. I bet someone was even more proud of that thing then you folks are now when they bought that engine to use.
Nice! Congratulations for that that amazing work! That machine is amazing. Your father is obviously an "old-schooled" man including the best knowledge and mechanical capabilities. Keep it up! Thanks for the upload and with the best wishes and greetings from Germany.
Boy you sit here in anticipation then it slowly starts up... That was cool! You guys need a set of those blue rubber gloves they will protect your hands and give you great grip when your cold cranking those flywheels. I use them at work all the time and cant do without them. Very cool collector engine! I would love to own that, break it down and fully restore it like new, engine like this can draw some big bucks from the collectors... Good old USA !!
When the engine runs and gets up to speed the hitting and vortex sound in between hits it sounds like industrial Rock music to me, like a nine inch nails song sort of..I downloaded it in my mp3 music playing list for that .. thanks for posting 😊
I am glad you enjoy these beasts! To answer your question, Yes, the "carb" is a needle valve on the propane and there is a 2" ball valve on the air intake. If the air valve is opened up even close to full, the speed of the engine goes WAY to fast! It also uses alot more propane. The next step is to get the flyball govenor hooked up and working to control the speed. It seemed to run in the vid at about 340 rpm, which is still a little fast. But it is my Dad's first stationary engine!
Very rare engine, the conception is very nice and inteligent. Two strokes, air supplyed by second cylinder... for the slow runing it is very just... Moteur deux temps à balayage par piston annexe, très rationnel et de fonctionnement tout à fait correct. Il n'a rien à envier avec les machines modernes... Excellent pour usage à poste fixe... Bravo
make another hole in the head and start it with compress air you wil be stress relieved also find the way to change the ignition timing at will for the start up procedure,, great piece ,,congratss. both you guys.
It is to draw in air &gas,and then push the air gas mixture into the main cylinder which exhausts the burned charge and at the same time pushing in a new load. It is a type of 2 stroke engine. Firing every time the piston comes up.
I remember these on pump jacks set up to run off the gas from the oil well or tailings as they used to say made use of a lot of the gas that was flared off .
It's called a charging cylinder. It pulls in the air -fuel mixture and then it pushes it into the main cylinder, which has an ignition source. Originally they had what was called a hot tube ignition. This 1 is retrofitted with a crude spark plug and coil.
There have been a few racing motorbikes built like this. The smaller piston is a scavenge or supercharging piston. A good examle was the chamberlain racing car built in Australia in the 1930's.
It is actually a 2 stroke engine. It fires every time the piston comes up. It may sound like a hit -miss because we were still kinda workin the "bugs" out!
Top or max rpm is "supposed" to be about 150rpm. It was basically flying du to the fact we had it running on propane and it had no governor to regulate the speed.
I would guess it was designed as a 2 stroke because of the power benefit. The double piston is sort of the "valves" of the engine. The small cylinder sucks in both air and fuel and when the large cylinder is coming to the bottom of its stroke, the smaller piston then "pushes" the mixture of air and fuel into the larger one, both pushing out the exhaust gases and pushing in a new mixture to fire when the large cylinder comes up to the top of its stroke. It is a strange design, but very simple!
When they found oil in the area, natural gas was always present also. It originally would have run on that. Propane is just easier to supply and keep "Mobile".
@RatherEggy Just think of all the places you see electric motors on a modern farm. Before everything was electrified you would likely use a stationary engine to do the work. One of my stationary engines ran a cement mixer and the other was a washing machine engine.
@randommagnum Yep, it's a charging cylinder. Since it is a uniflow engine it's dependent on a scavenge pump, which pushes air through the ports in the side of the cylinder, blowing out the exhaust gases and forcing a fresh air charge into the cylinder.
Very just Douro..... for a slow running it is a very nice system!!!........ In french... ''''moteur deux temps à balayage par piston annexe.......'''''''
OSHA probably loves u 2 for running this thing! I think she runs a little fast.... but that's just me;) it's started like my friend's Witte Headless. spin the flywheels back a little, then throw them up against compression. trips the mag, and she fires right off!
most two strokes were designed to run either direction. There are some exceptions to that but that always has to do with the mechanicals of the governor.
It isn't a hit and miss engine. It is technically a 2 stroke because it does ( or is supposed to ) fire every time the main piston come up on the stroke.
"The flyball gov. isn't connected yet, but it will be soon to help control rpm." yeah thats a good idea, firing up an engine without the governer hooked up
they used that double set up so they could run on very poor quality fuel , It sorta pre compressed the fuel charge making it denser , basically so it would have the same effects of high compression like a diesel , but yet not have the extreem effort to start that it would with very high compression , hard to explain , but they were mostly ran on cull oil (kerosene) but it was far different than it is today from what it once was ...
@dafunk43 Youngster says"Dad you never had computers, video games or TV when you were a kid, did you?" Old man says "No son, thats why we invented those things for you." Loads of new technology would not have been possible if not for the ground work done by the older generation.
@dafunk43 I wonder... why set it up as a 2-stroke? Very interesting though, I've never seen an engine like this one firing on every stroke before. Also, what's with the weird double-piston cycle?
@Polybun if you look at the video discription it says " The flyball gov. isn't connected yet, but it will be soon to help control rpm." so i stand by too fast
I wonder what that side cylinder is for? The main crank is between bearings, and that additional is driven from the side-wheel. Must be a pump for cooling water?
Good to hear&watch it from other old motor enthusiasts! Heat driven machines were in roots of human civiliation. Electricity gradually defeats them in many fields, yet those ingenious men with their exploding devices never be forgotten.
dans ce système le compresseur doit avoir une cylindrée bien supérieure au cylindre moteur afin de fournir une quantité d'air (30/40%) supérieure et créer ainsi une suralimentation/balayage efficaces!!!...
the old guy is right, you roll it forward as if it wher running, running direction to take in a charge, it wont work backwords so well because of the charging cyclinder wont push it in.. I had one, i know how to start it.
Direction of rotation: depends where you're stading, with one of the on each side of the engine one mans clockwise is the other mans counter clockwise;-)
Perfect wood smoke generator for a 10kw genset off your wood stove with flywheel tip driven slow rpm all day whole house generator with a flyball governor. Would power the house at 5 or ten degrees cold weather. You could laugh at the power company loosing power till you ran out of firewood.
Wish I could find an older guy with a machine like this!
Damn son, this baby is gorgeous!
I'd love to share this with my grandpas :)
Sweet engine. I could listen to that all day.
Thanks for sharing the whole process of starting this critter. I love to learn more about these old engines. First time I've run across a 2-stroke with a charging cylinder.
Fantastic! What a beautiful sound the old beast makes!
Very nice video, GREAT job on the restoration. Always fun to see old engines brought back to life.
Your dad is awesome!! You guys did good that engine is a beauty
its amazing the engineering the old timers came up with.. I bet someone was even more proud of that thing then you folks are now when they bought that engine to use.
Nice!
Congratulations for that that amazing work! That machine is amazing.
Your father is obviously an "old-schooled" man including the best knowledge and mechanical capabilities. Keep it up!
Thanks for the upload and with the best wishes and greetings from Germany.
I can almost feel the ground vibrate when that baby fires! Cool engine and thanks for posting this!!
Boy you sit here in anticipation then it slowly starts up... That was cool!
You guys need a set of those blue rubber gloves they will protect your hands and give you great grip when your cold cranking those flywheels. I use them at work all the time and cant do without them. Very cool collector engine! I would love to own that, break it down and fully restore it like new, engine like this can draw some big bucks from the collectors... Good old USA !!
Great restoration on the 'ole girl , Kudos Sir ! .
What an old darling......love these old engines,they've got a style and sound all of there own........
When the engine runs and gets up to speed the hitting and vortex sound in between hits it sounds like industrial Rock music to me, like a nine inch nails song sort of..I downloaded it in my mp3 music playing list for that .. thanks for posting 😊
I am glad you enjoy these beasts! To answer your question, Yes, the "carb" is a needle valve on the propane and there is a 2" ball valve on the air intake. If the air valve is opened up even close to full, the speed of the engine goes WAY to fast! It also uses alot more propane.
The next step is to get the flyball govenor hooked up and working to control the speed. It seemed to run in the vid at about 340 rpm, which is still a little fast. But it is my Dad's first stationary engine!
I love this engine! Having been a mechanic all my life the Engineering is fascinating
Very rare engine, the conception is very nice and inteligent. Two strokes, air supplyed by second cylinder... for the slow runing it is very just... Moteur deux temps à balayage par piston annexe, très rationnel et de fonctionnement tout à fait correct. Il n'a rien à envier avec les machines modernes... Excellent pour usage à poste fixe... Bravo
make another hole in the head and start it with compress air you wil be stress relieved also find the way to change the ignition timing at will for the start up procedure,, great piece ,,congratss. both you guys.
Most people run the old machines slow and easy. I prefer this.
That is such a special sound. I love it. I can't help but smile.
Awesome Rebuild !!! Beautiful Machine !!! Thank You for sharing with us !!!! ***cheers*** =)
a nice sweet engine and a good video and thank you for your time
Iwork in the oilfield on all types of engines, point is, its a great looking engine, sounds dam good and you both get a long....
It is to draw in air &gas,and then push the air gas mixture into the main cylinder which exhausts the burned charge and at the same time pushing in a new load. It is a type of 2 stroke engine. Firing every time the piston comes up.
This is awesome! Reminds me of me and my Dad figuring things out. VERY cool engine
I remember these on pump jacks set up to run off the gas from the oil well or tailings as they used to say made use of a lot of the gas that was flared off .
What an amazing engine!!
What a sound!!!!
BRILLIANT!
Love that throat-y sound. That's some raw power, right there.
It's called a charging cylinder. It pulls in the air -fuel mixture and then it pushes it into the main cylinder, which has an ignition source. Originally they had what was called a hot tube ignition. This 1 is retrofitted with a crude spark plug and coil.
Thanks, Phil. We are about 30 miles north of detroit,mi
love those engines, those and the hit and miss types. thanks for sharing.
What a nice video. Beautiful engine . Nice sound.
There have been a few racing motorbikes built like this. The smaller piston is a scavenge or supercharging piston. A good examle was the chamberlain racing car built in Australia in the 1930's.
It is actually a 2 stroke engine. It fires every time the piston comes up. It may sound like a hit -miss because we were still kinda workin the "bugs" out!
That just looks dangerous as hell. I love it!
i remember seeing these in Mississippi long time ago
nicely done guys hope it comes together.
Sounds like my house when my wife makes beans for dinner..! Cool engine.
Прекрасный звук, устойчивая работа
now that's a proper mechanic, oily rag at the ready, thankyou
Top or max rpm is "supposed" to be about 150rpm. It was basically flying du to the fact we had it running on propane and it had no governor to regulate the speed.
Usually you can't see the pistons of the engine. Now you know every engine is a gross tarantula!
I do try! I have learned so much from him.
I would guess it was designed as a 2 stroke because of the power benefit. The double piston is sort of the "valves" of the engine. The small cylinder sucks in both air and fuel and when the large cylinder is coming to the bottom of its stroke, the smaller piston then "pushes" the mixture of air and fuel into the larger one, both pushing out the exhaust gases and pushing in a new mixture to fire when the large cylinder comes up to the top of its stroke.
It is a strange design, but very simple!
When they found oil in the area, natural gas was always present also. It originally would have run on that. Propane is just easier to supply and keep "Mobile".
I WOULDNT GO NEAR THAT WHEN SHES GOIN GOD DANM'
Definitely a father and son
@RatherEggy Just think of all the places you see electric motors on a modern farm. Before everything was electrified you would likely use a stationary engine to do the work. One of my stationary engines ran a cement mixer and the other was a washing machine engine.
Great sound off it
These engines have as many ways of starting them, as there are people starting them...
Sweet sound👍
Some new ones are getting even smaller, yet!
@randommagnum
Yep, it's a charging cylinder. Since it is a uniflow engine it's dependent on a scavenge pump, which pushes air through the ports in the side of the cylinder, blowing out the exhaust gases and forcing a fresh air charge into the cylinder.
Very just Douro..... for a slow running it is a very nice system!!!........
In french... ''''moteur deux temps à balayage par piston annexe.......'''''''
That thing is terrifying, haha. Hellish sound.
Nice job though!
Abbott & Costello discuss starting an engine!
Just remember the Old guy did teach young guy everything he knows!
dafunk3: ...and then he forgot everything he ever taught his son.
That’s a real relationship
Awesome engine
That might leave a BIG mark!
WOOOOOOW 0_o ...I love that sound
The engine is water cooled. We had a hose going into the water jacket, and then just dumped it onto the ground. That is the pipe out the rear.
OSHA probably loves u 2 for running this thing! I think she runs a little fast.... but that's just me;)
it's started like my friend's Witte Headless. spin the flywheels back a little, then throw them up against compression. trips the mag, and she fires right off!
most two strokes were designed to run either direction. There are some exceptions to that but that always has to do with the mechanicals of the governor.
Just wondering how the engine is cooled? I would think it would overheat with no fins on the cylinder. Pretty cool old engine.
Nice Job have you gotten the governor hooked up and working
Now I know where they got the sound effects for Willy Wonka's bubble mobiles.. nice engine.
It isn't a hit and miss engine. It is technically a 2 stroke because it does ( or is supposed to ) fire every time the main piston come up on the stroke.
"The flyball gov. isn't connected yet, but it will be soon to help control rpm."
yeah thats a good idea, firing up an engine without the governer hooked up
Worth the wait...
Remember:age brings wisdom!
2 stroke model engines need a different timed port on the shaft to run backwards although someimes
they used that double set up so they could run on very poor quality fuel , It sorta pre compressed the fuel charge making it denser , basically so it would have the same effects of high compression like a diesel , but yet not have the extreem effort to start that it would with very high compression , hard to explain , but they were mostly ran on cull oil (kerosene) but it was far different than it is today from what it once was ...
Thar she blows! Good stuff, love it!
Sweet engine!!
run, she's gonna break apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really nice interesting engine
Well done!
Father and son bonding? Lol
Respekt!
that is awsome i was wondering how much torque it makes and what they were used for????
i love your comment i read it to my dad and he agrees
congratoulation..
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@dafunk43 Youngster says"Dad you never had computers, video games or TV when you were a kid, did you?"
Old man says "No son, thats why we invented those things for you."
Loads of new technology would not have been possible if not for the ground work done by the older generation.
Biggerbadwolf This never gets said enough.
Thanks for sharing, it never really crossed my mind.
And yet we just throw these amazing machines away to rot and be forgotten.
@dafunk43 I wonder... why set it up as a 2-stroke? Very interesting though, I've never seen an engine like this one firing on every stroke before. Also, what's with the weird double-piston cycle?
Oh you, pretty chitty bang bang, chitty chitty bang bang we love you.. lol.. that's what this made me think of.
@Polybun if you look at the video discription it says " The flyball gov. isn't connected yet, but it will be soon to help control rpm."
so i stand by too fast
good job guy's
So... one cylinder is the piston and combustion chamber... The other cylinder is the valve system?
yeah excellent
I wonder what that side cylinder is for? The main crank is between bearings, and that additional is driven from the side-wheel. Must be a pump for cooling water?
It compresses intake air. An early 'supercharger'.
Good to hear&watch it from other old motor enthusiasts! Heat driven machines were in roots of human civiliation. Electricity gradually defeats them in many fields, yet those ingenious men with their exploding devices never be forgotten.
dans ce système le compresseur doit avoir une cylindrée bien supérieure au cylindre moteur afin de fournir une quantité d'air (30/40%) supérieure et créer ainsi une suralimentation/balayage efficaces!!!...
awesome!
the old guy is right, you roll it forward as if it wher running, running direction to take in a charge, it wont work backwords so well because of the charging cyclinder wont push it in.. I had one, i know how to start it.
the sound is nice and funny ;D Good work!
What's the cylinder off to the side do compress air?
Direction of rotation: depends where you're stading, with one of the on each side of the engine one mans clockwise is the other mans counter clockwise;-)
Hello Jesse Duke from the Dukes of Hazzard
Perfect wood smoke generator for a 10kw genset off your wood stove with flywheel tip driven slow rpm all day whole house generator with a flyball governor. Would power the house at 5 or ten degrees cold weather. You could laugh at the power company loosing power till you ran out of firewood.
correct me if im wrong because i dont know a whole lot about these hit and miss engines, but isnt it running backwards from what it should be?
Why did I feel like everyone involved was no more than a breath away from getting killed?