I rode 50 km on five saddles to find the best type of bike seat for commuting
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- My butt has been getting sore while riding my bike lately, and I traced the problem to my aging factory-issued bike saddle. But before I replace it, I thought I'd try some different types to find the best for my bike commute. The result: a 50 kilometre ride of me talking about how my nether regions feel. Come along for the ride.
0:00 Introduction
2:07 The wide, cushy and soft saddle
5:07 The noseless saddle
8:27 The inexpensive traditional saddle
10:17 The expensive traditional saddle
13:03 The racing saddle
15:11 What I learned (hint: It's not all about the butt)
None of these saddles were provided to me. I paid for all of them.
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As an aging boomer, I appreciated your inclusion and qualified judgment of the Spongy Wonder. 🙂
In my early 50's I was told by a urologist 'Stop riding a bike!'. Twenty years and fifty-odd thousand km later on a Spongy Wonder, I'm just really grateful it exists. Initially the hornless design felt odd, but after a few days it didn't bother me. Most of my riding now is just around town, but I've also done several 1500 - 3000 km multi-week tours with no problems, using both touring and hybrid bikes. The standard pads are a little firm for long days, but the company also offers slightly cushioned 'pull over' covers that fit tightly over the standard pads, and they're a big improvement.
It's clearly not a saddle for everyone, but for anyone experiencing urological problems on a regular saddle it could be a life changer.
Thank you for sharing. I'm glad this has made it possible for you to ride.
Exactly the helpful reaction I was looking for. Thanks!
I'm curious what did your urologist say after you rode that saddle a bunch? Is it keeping state the same, worsening but slower or improving?
@@replikvltyoutube3727 The significant discomfort I was feeling (that’s why I saw him) went away, and I didn’t need to see him again. Now I’m 25 years older and there’s the common ‘enlargement’ issue, but cycling isn’t a problem. Getting out on the bike on pretty much a daily basis has been a huge benefit to my physical (and psychological) health for several decades - I’m very grateful that it’s still available to me.
I've been riding the Spongy Wonder for more than 10 years. Not because I have problems, but because I didn't want any. It took a bit of getting used to, but by now it feels natural. The regular seats feel weird...
I live in London and recently built a bike. Choosing the saddle was one of the hardest decisions, but thankfully we have a Saddle Library at the London Bike Kitchen. They let you borrow a saddle for 2 weeks at a time. I tried ~10 different saddles for a few minutes each and the best 4 saddles for a week or two each. Definitely check if there's something similar in your city, and if not, petition a bike shop to start one! It's amazing how saddles that look very similar can feel very different. The best part is after that exercise my current saddle feels so good that I don't bother wearing cycling shorts anymore as the additional padding actually makes things worse!
Saddle Library...incredible idea.
That really is a fantastic idea and honestly should be the story of thing supported by manufacturers, the government or both!
I've been thinking for a while all these little bike recycling and promotion places should be running saddle libraries, they must have a small mountain of saddles in their parts bins and it'd be a great service. They could probably even partner with saddle manufacturers and get freebies for lending and then if people like them they can make a bit of money selling what people eventually pick. And I'm not just saying that because I'm currently in "buying and then ebaying saddles as I find I don't like them" hell!
*looks at houses for sale in London*
I recently got rev grips and found my gloves with padding made it worse i just bought gloves without padding and most of my hand issues are gone. I just need a better sweep on the bar and I think they will be completely sorted.
A top tip with any cutout saddle is to make sure you're wearing stretchy shorts or trousers. If you're wearing thick, non-stretchy fabric then it will tend to bridge the cutout and still cause compression issues.
Also, put any weight you're carrying onto a bike rack rather than your back. Amazing how many riders I see wearing massive backpacks, putting all that extra weight on their "Gooch".
As a mid 50s bike enthusiast, I began to opt for more comfortable rides and before you know it, I started riding recumbents. Since I started riding bent, I find myself riding more frequently than ever before. All my recumbent seats are more comfortable than any of my previous road or trail bike seats I've used in the past.
Recumbents aren't for everyone, but I LOVE them and my seat is ridiculously comfortable.
I also ride a Brooks C17, and it's one of the best saddles I've ever ridden. It's beautiful, weatherproof and depending on the color choice, it does not look expensive, so you can leave it on the bike without having to fear it getting stolen (which may happen over here in Europe). Once it has broken in, it's second to none. Great video, as always!
So far, I'm really happy with the Brooks saddle. Let's see how it feels in a year from now.
It only gets better. My B17 will be 20 years old soon. @@Shifter_Cycling
The C17 is not expected to break in. The rubber will keep its tension forever, unlike a leather saddle. And it’s fundamentally different from your previous saddle because it is called a suspension saddle. The material is not rigid; it is suspended between the anchor points in the front and rear, and that’s why many of us like them. My favorite saddle is the leather B17, but I commute on a C17 because I need it to tolerate the rain. They don’t feel totally the same, but I like the C17 well enough.
I’ve got a C17 w/cutout but am having a hard time adjusting it. Any suggestions or resources you would suggest consulting?
I also have the Brooks C17 with the cutout for my trekking bike. It took me almost 2 months before I really liked it. I almost returned it at one point but stuck with it and tried several different chamois thicknesses . For me this saddle paired with the thinnest chamois in my bike shorts worked best. I'm now using it for my 2nd year and love it. I can put several hours in the saddle daily and not be sore.
The Brooks Cambium saddles are my hands down favorites. Weather proof, comfortable, and durable. The material has just the right amount of flex and nothing rubs. I have C17s on my commuter and utility bikes and a C13 on my mountain bike (easier to get behind on those descents).
Another check for the B17. I am large and have gone through half a dozen different saddles before coming onto the brooks on my bikes. I did try the C19 for about 1200 miles. I liked it. It was a more upright bike so I thought the wider saddle made sense, but it started to make noises after a while. I greased it, but it came back quickly. Swapped it out for another B17 and I haven't felt bad about it.
Yes, the Brooks are expensive. But if you spend several hrs a week sitting on it, it's worth a few more bucks to be comfortable.
I rode brooks for well over 20 years, maybe 50,000 miles total. Now over 65 I find my back is completely gone in 10 minutes if I’m not fully upright. I now use that big cushy saddle you tried first, and I ride two hours a day four or five days a week with no butt or back issues (albeit a LOT slower than 10 years ago 🤪) I went through a lot to get to this point, but for an old guy with a bad back, fully upright with the butt fully supported by that big seat is the bees knees.
I just hit 65 myself, convert a bike to electric assist and you'll be riding like an 18 year old in the two hours it takes to convert your bike.
“And, you’ll manage a lot more miles, too. I know I do.”
Don’t let *anyone* tell you that you won’t get exercise. I rode about twenty-five miles today, and pedaled enough that 1) I *had* to take a nap within two hours of getting home, and 2) I feel more than a little *sore* from the exertion.
Given that I deal with moderate to severe illness-induced fatigue, advancing age, and a number of disabilities, being able to build a measure of condition is worth it. I’d not be able to do so without electrification.
It took me forever and dozens of saddles to finally get comfortable. From my experience, the only ones good enough are, in this order:
1. SqLab 621
2. the noname saddle that came with my folding bike. I wish there was a way to identify the manufacturer and the model.
3. Brooks B67
Everything else just hurt too much after a few miles…
The kind of video I really needed to see right now. Saddle comfort is so important, I'm grateful you've made a real talk video about buttcomfort.
I first got a Brooks saddle 15 years ago and haven’t looked back! I went through at least a saddle per year prior to that! Specialized makes the next best thing… but I have that on my trainer now and my “outside” bikes all have Brooks on them. They make slotted ones too, and I prefer those to the solid ones - but I am 1000% sold on Brooks saddles!
I have a standard b17 brooks. For like 10 years now. Bikes come and go, the saddle stays. It just fits me perfect. Every once in a while some saddle wax and a tighten and good to go.
Any new bike I get the first upgrade is a brooks saddle.
Thank you for your service.
This was a great vid! Lots of info and heart/butt felt. Moreover, these comments are great too. They're just as informative as this video. I usually just skim past the comments. This time I'll be taking their advice. Thanks for your service Mr. Shifter.
As a female I've found that I really like saddles with the cut-out portion down the middle. I've recently heard a lot about the Brooks saddles and just learned that they have "carved" models... 🤔
Selle SMP TRK check this out
#buttcam
But seriously thanks for tackling this one
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@@Shifter_CyclingFor this, we salute you
Great video. Love your insight and knowledge. Keep up the good work!
I just purchased a larger saddle like your first on for my hybrid bike and totally agree with your assessment! I always feel like I'm being pushed forward. Glad I kept the original seat - I will put it back on.
Having both of your cheek bones touch the saddle was the most important thing I've found out so far.
An interesting way to measure it - sit on cardboard. There should be two indentations left.
If that doesn't work, because you have too much natural cushioning - locate each of your cheeck bones and place a marker, vertically, tip down over a piece of paper, marking the location of each bone that way. Cheers!
Awesome tip. Thank you for sharing.
A lot of LBS's have a sit bone measuring system; it's worth checking out.
Harry Dunne:
Ooh, look at the buns on that one...
Lloyd Christmas:
Yeah, he must work out.
I swear by Brooks B17 saddles. I have one on my touring bike and another on my ebike commuter (Imperial with cutout). Definitely worth the price. Although they fit me, these saddles don't work for everyone, but I'm thrilled I've found "the one" and it's worth it.
I had a halfords bike (cycling chain store uk) and never got in pain. Had an accident replaced the saddle with a posh one caused me pain. In the end went back to one like the original from ebay. No pain. Saddles are very personal!
Congrats on hitting 100k Shifter Tom! Love this channel❤
Love this! I’ve been agonizing over my next seat and with my Dutch bike I’m absolutely going cushy and wide. Great video as usual!
I hope it works out for you!
I love cushy and wide on my dutch style upright! Also found that I prefer it pitched back slightly so that the horn is a bit higher than the rear with that bike/saddle combination.
i love your videos lmao
you're chill yet super detailed in every analysis
and your explanations make sense to uneducated beginners (me)
nice.
Excellent video! One thing I'd like to add is that the tilt of the saddle is very important in relation to your riding position. If you're more upright, tilting the seat back a bit is okay, even if a lot of bike fitters will tell youths a no-no. I think the reason for that is that they try to fit you for the most efficient riding, not necessarily for comfort. I have two Brooks B 17's. They are the most expensive part of the two bikes they're on, but it really makes a difference like day and night. The care is minimal, but they definitely don't like rain. The break in period is overstated in many reviews. I'd say that, if it's uncomfortable right from the start, it will likely remain that way. But having said that, you need to adjust it to your riding position, style and bike (I hope that makes sense). I've cycled coast to coast across Canada on a B 17, riding up to 200 km per day. My old, inexpensive saddle was very uncomfortable, not on short commutes, but the long rides. Thanks for sharing your experience and happy trails!
Great info. Thank you for sharing.
I hear you on bike shops trying to get you to ride more efficiently. I just started riding again after 10 years of not riding, and I had to get my seat lowered. My shop would only lower it so far because of efficiency. I could barely touch the ground before I had it lowered. My body proportions are kinda wacky, having a longer torso and shorter legs. Not ideal 😅.
@@Dorkella_ how do you go forwards? Pedaling or kicking the ground like a toddler?
I agree on having the back tilt for upright positions! My bike is an upright and my saddle has the horn pitched up so that it's a bit higher than the rear. With it leaning forward or level it made me feel like I was constantly sliding forward, but with the sight back pitch it feels perfectly balanced.
I've been given a hard time for it though over the years, mostly from people that don't ride upright style bikes 😂
In the end, it's best to just play with the angles and height until you find the best fit for ya I think.
@@Dorkella_ Welcome back to the bike! They're right; while being able to put your feet on the ground while in the saddle may feel more secure, what you should be doing is either leaning the bike to one side when you stop, or getting off the saddle and standing over the top tube (I mostly get off, but sometimes just lean it). It's all about being able to pedal; if you can't do it efficiently, you can tire yourself out too fast or even damage your hips, knees, and/or ankles.
Nothing is wrong with your body's proportions, they're just not average; nobody's are, that's what average means. Have you had a bike fitting? It can really make a big difference in your riding. You might think about getting shorter cranks too; Russ from Path Less Pedaled has been exploring that and made a few videos about it.
One other tip; if you have the luxury of more than one LBS in your area, find the one you like and where the staff listens to you. Happy riding!
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I got my Brookes amd never looked back. Hands down the most comfort saddle ever for me. I only wear padded shorts now of i am doing more than 60 miles in a shot.😊
Great video, it is definitely a subject that there is no one right answer to, but you covered the differences in style and usage well.
I'm glad you mentioned micro-adjustments, having many different (mainly old) bikes I have been amazed at how even adjustments of a few mm of the saddle or stem can make a huge difference in your whole body.
It is interesting that with all today's technology and research going in to these things, it was the oldest and most traditional styled saddle that you found the most comfortable. I have a few Selle San Marco Rolls saddles probably for the same reason, although you have piqued my interest in a Brooks for at least one bike!
After trying out a lot of different saddles recently l ended up with a female saddle, which was the most comfortable. I figured with all the sizes people come in there has to be a lot of overlap with these saddles, also probably 90% of saddles are basically unisex anyway.
Thanks again...great video.
I have a Brooks B17. I love it because it's so comfortable, even after very long rides, and because it makes me feel soooooooooo superior 😁
Tom's advice to seek out expertise from your local bike shop is golden; my two guys keep me on the road in top form - surpassed Earth's circumference week before last; already 400kms in to my 2nd lap. Saddle comfort and fit are everything.
Love this vid!! the scenery is amazing
Congrats on 100k! 🚲
I do have to point out; te brooks cambium is fundamentally a different saddle then the “cheap classic” one you compared it to. The latter is a hard plastic shell with foam padding on top, the brooks is kind of a hammock style saddle, much like the traditional (brooks) saddles. They may give similar riding experience, but how they achieve it is different.
LMAO, the nylon shell saddle will deflect as much or more than the Brooks. They're both suspended at the ends. You've drank the Brooks koolaide. Brooks are only great because they tell you they're great. If they came out tomorrow people would denounce them as the overpriced garbage they really are.
I use a C17 Cambrian on my Brompton. Definitely my favourite saddle. Thanks for the film. Always interesting and helpful.
I’ve got a wide saddle and it’s the best saddle I’ve used. Very comfy.
I ride a Brooks B67 and it's the only saddle I've tried that is comfortable from day one to the end. None of the saddles in this video come close. Definitely an important topic.
I spent my whole life (a few decades) not caring about saddles and injured nerves in my crotch. I can 100% confirm that very few saddles will be comfortable if this happens. But they appear to be before the damage. But the B67 allows for all day rides again. I'm not saying there aren't equally comfortable saddles, I just haven't found a better one. ❤
Update: I also have the Brooks C17 but it wrecks my crotch area. It's so hard and painful. It's just sitting in a box.
I do the C17 for short commutes and sprinting vibes, but their leather is the way to go longterm.
that looks like the seat I had on this British internal hub 3 speed - a Phillips - big springs!! "Classically sprung for supreme comfort", I rode that for 10 years every day 10 miles and then went on a 250 mile bike-about. Awesome seat.
@@CareFreeCommuting That's valid, I had it on a track bike and that was fine. But when I put it on my other long haul bikes I could never get used to it. Everything below my waste would start going numb. I just want to give it to someone who can use it. It's practically brand new. I also gave a selle anatomica away because it wasn't great either.
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 That sounds fantastic. I've even I used mine on a road bike. The horn is thin so it doesn't get in the way like that first fatty in this video. I don't care for those either.
While the highly appraised Brooks C17 might be a perfect fit for some, I myself had a difficult relationship with it. I really wanted to like it, I watched every review on it and eventually got it ad a birthday present for myself. And I couldn't feel what all the reviewers felt. It just wasn't comfortable, no matter the amount of adjustment. So I replaced it with a sort of old school mtb saddle and now a year later I'm trying out the C17 again on another bike going for shorter rides. Maybe I'll turn around, maybe not.
So the gist of it all is: don't just buy a product because you've spent days or weeks researching on it - try it out for yourself, then decide.
I had exactly the same experience with C17. I could not feel confortable despite all trials and adjustments.
Same experience, this saddle is really hard to adjust, and if your not perfectly positioned, it will feel like a brick
Yep; every butt is different; what's comfortable for Tom isn't necessarily comfortable for you or for me, though I do love my B17. One thing that might help is to get your sit bones measured so you know which kind of saddle to look for.
@@Korina42 I've heard the C17 isn't as good as the B17 in terms of comfort. I have a B17S, had it for about a month now and while it's not hugely comfy I'm not giving up on it.
@@NonLegitNation2 Is the S for short or softened? Have you tried adjusting it? I hope your butt and the saddle get used to each other. 🙂 Also, you can't go by what you hear; I've seen lots of people swear by their C17. Every butt *is* different.
I too went through loads of saddles before I found my favorite. Never tried Brooks though, because the cut out they offer on some of their models seemed inadequate in pictures. Anyway, my favorite by far is the Ergon Core series. I made sure to measure the distance between my sit bones first. The way I did it was squatting down low on a stool which had a news paper for proper “give” and tin foil on top. Then it was just a matter of measuring the distance between the two bone indentations and ordering the right size. I would argue size is more important than make or model. Good online tools make you enter the type of bike also, in addition to distance between sit bones, since upright dutch style bikes require different saddle geometry than MTBs, and different again than very forward leaning bikes like road bikes.
B17 my favorite, but very happy with selle italia vintage turbo also, which is lighter. Both are perfectly comfortable for riding with regular pants or with bike shorts/chamois.
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Best saddle I've had is the new WTB COMFORT with the comfort zone cutout on base and covered with the nice gel and sponge so no perineum discomfort I like the saddle it was was a first very lucky pick!
I tried so many different saddles on my bikes, but the one I totally fell in love with is Selle Italia SMP. It looks somewhat odd, however they really invested into that ergonomic design, and it feels so natural and comfy, whether it is my heavy duty MTB, a training road bike or my everyday commuter. Just a shout-out for giving it a try, if you are not repulsed by the weird shape😂
Yes, it's a weird shape, but after trying that noseless saddle, I'm for anything. Thanks for the recommendation.
I recently discovered Selle Italia too and.....wow, I have to say I'm impressed. I ended up using the Selle Italia T3 Flow S2 on my MTB, one of their more traditional shaped seats, but somewhere between the cushy padded seat and the old school Brooks. I used to get pain after riding less than 10 miles (16Km) with my old seat, but with the T3 I cycled from London to Brighton (60 miles / 97Km) almost completely offroad with no discomfort whatsoever! It's crazy how much of a difference a seat can make.
My husband loves his Selle Italia.
Selle SMP TRK works for me
Great video! I love the comfort and durability of my Brooks C13! It’s made it through several harsh Minnesota winters without any issues. I did find that seat width also mattered.
The Brooks fans are here!
Most comfortable: Brooks B-17, apply Brooks Profide three times on the underside during the first week during break-in. Locked outside in bad weather commuting, put a plastic bread bag over it. If you must have a plastic saddle: WTB Volt for $40, they even come in different widths. Happy trails!
I have next to zero experience with bikes and bike saddles, so this was very eye opening. I thought if the seat looked more padded, it would be more comfortable. I was totally wrong.
My everyday commute bike has to live outside year round, and put up with rain, high altitude sun, and snow. The best saddle I have found is the hard plastic carcass from a women's Terry saddle. The leather cover and foam cratered years ago. The nicest thing about it is that it doesn't hold water after a rain or snow, but dries quickly. It sits a top a suspension seatpost with a small elastomer insert that takes the bite out of bumps. I've never worried about it getting stolen either. Happy butt, happy rider.
Back in 1972 I got my first Brooks Professional (a leather saddle) and immediately found it the most comfortable saddle I had yet ridden. It remains my favorite to this day on both drop bar road and upright mountain bikes, especially for rides over 80 miles. On commuting bikes I tend to run the Cambium C17, primarily because it is waterproof, but I don't really think that's much of an issue unless you have to leave your bike outside in the rain while you are at work. For a shopping trip, a waterproof saddle cover will protect a leather saddle, but there is value in not having the extra worry. I have not found the Cambium to be comfortable on very long rides, though I know others who love it. In some areas you want to run a cheap saddle on a commuter just to keep it from being stolen.
That MEC saddle you've got there (from the looks of it) is a fantastic value and fits well. I used to purchase $200 CAD saddles for my road bikes, now I'm perfectly content with the extra 150grams, comfort and savings those saddles bring.
For me, it's main bike (BSA All-Weather): Brooks B33. Second bike (28" Raleigh Tourist): Brooks B66. Girly loaner bike (1940s Philips): Brooks B73.
I've found it's quite subjective. The B33 is by far my favorite, just feels right since breaking it in, no matter how far I ride. By contrast, an old friend couldn't stand being on it for more than a couple of minutes and said it felt obstructive, but then he was a really skinny guy and wasn't accustomed to handling that particular bike. Another friend said the B66 bothered him when he borrowed the Raleigh, to the point of being painful and he wanted to tilt it further forwards all the time, but he's a broader build. Perhaps some of this could be that they're quite old now, so have shaped to fit me.
Guess what I'm saying is that the best bet is, if you can, borrow a few and try them out to get an idea of the basic shape you want. Swap bikes with a friend when you're on a ride if they're running a different type of saddle. I learned that for my cheap electric bike (used to run errands I don't wanna do, dragging trailers to the city dump and such), it felt better with a cheap women's padded saddle (I'm a guy) versus the skinny mountain bike one it came with that you'd think would match the frame better, probably because I hardly pedal that bike and the padding takes the edge off the trailer bumping around. Meanwhile the friend who couldn't stand riding my Tourist runs a skinny saddle on his electric, because it's his only bike and he rags it around on all terrain.
Good video, Tom. I'm going to get that Brooks saddle. For some reason, I had it in my head that they only made leather saddles and based on where I live (PNW), that probably wouldn't be the best choice. Your review of the C17 is enough for me to give it a whirl. Buying saddles is a pain because of the huge number of choices and the fact that you actually have to use it before you know if it'll work for you. Cheers.
I tried saddles and ended on the B17 Leather Saddle on both my E-Bike (B17) and my Gravel (B17 carved). Cyclin 2x19km(~12miles) nearly every day.
On the last Bikepacking trip i cycled 330km in 3 days, last day were 160km (~100m) on the Gravel, without cycling shorts or creme (like chamois creams) and had no problem to cycle the next day to work, after that i bought the B17 for the E-Bike too.
Yeah the Leather Saddle is expensive, needs care, can't be in the rain, they need ~200km (125m) to get comfortable, but for me both of them are the most comfortable i ever had.
For a bike like my old city bike, which i take for the 1,5km to the train station, the saddle doesn't really matter, on short distances a cheap cushy saddle will do fine and any expensive would get stolen anyway.
Same. I used a B17 on my touring bike. I took it over from my last bike and apart from one broken tensioning bolt it holds up now for 50000km.
my brooks b17 was comfortable out of the box and has stayed comfortable for 5 years now. best ass glove haha
One thing about the Cambrium saddle that is not much advertised is that the material is a bit harsh, so it will bit into your clothes after a bit of use. Went on a bikepacking trip with a C17, and a few tens of km-s in there were already scuff marks on my cycling shorts.
Funny you mentioned that. I have the original C13 saddle and they will absolutely eat through daily commute clothing and your expensive cycling bibs. Brooks had the saddle wrapped in canvas and coated with some gritty material. God knows why. My guess is for more control on the nose of the saddle. It was like riding on sand paper to your ass and regions. A couple of years ago, they updated their Cambium line wrapping their saddles with synthetic materials. Now they're more weather resistant and with smoother wrapped surface to your bum. The original canvas wrapped saddles would naturally fade and fray from daily use within one to two years. At the time, it was quite the controversial choice for saddle wrapping from Brooks.
I ride a c17 and a c19 on my more agressive and more relaxed bikes, respectively, both with cutouts. It took me years of experimenting to find out that these are the only saddles I've tried that won't give me numb junk after a few hours on the bike. Comfortable, and classy as well. If your only issue with the C17 was the taint pressure, give the cutout version a try.
Great info. Thank you for sharing.
I've been considering these two. How noticeably different are the widths? My everyday bike is kind of in between a road bike and a cruiser setup. I'm afraid of getting one and it being too thin or too wide.
@@Daniel-oq7xy They're not massively different. I have them on 2 bikes; a Surly Ogre set up pretty relaxed with Jones loop bars for long days off-road touring (c19), and a Soma Pescadero set up with drop bars (c17). I find that when I ride with drops it rotates my pelvis slightly forward and effectively narrows the width of my sit bones. The trick I was taught was to set a piece of cardboard on a hard chair, think flat wooden stool or something similar, then sit on it in about the angle you ride in and measure the distance between the dimples your sitbones leave in the cardboard (I hope that makes sense). I would try that and compare the two sizes online and see which you think might fit. Or if all else fails go to a good shop and ask if you can try them out, you might get lucky. Good luck!! Nobody deserves a painful ride.
Me too I have them on the machines I do long rides on. I have never found anything better than a c17
@@Daniel-oq7xy Check with your LBS to see if they have a way to measure your sit bones; knowing how wide they are will help you decide which saddle will suit you.
Been using a Brooks all weather for years, love it
I always wondered if the ED thing was a real or not - thanks for that corroboration. Fascinating vid.
I'd say the jury is still out on this. A lot of people continue to say a properly fit saddle should be fine for most people. I'm just glad there are options available.
@@Shifter_Cycling self-castration? the lineage of Attis lives on. hahaha. Actually I'm more concerned about those stationary bicycles - I have one that I created for a generator device from a treadmill motor - suddenly the bicycle seat hurt so badly! I realized that riding a bicycle depends on the pneumatic cushioning of the tires which does NOT exist on a stationary bicycle.
I went through this same process with my new bike recently too. I've been riding road bikes for years and after giving up my car, I bought a much more upright e-bike. The thick gel saddle it came with was awful, so I started experimenting. The racing style saddles turned out to be very wrong, so out came the Brooks C17 that i had found wasn't quite right for a gravel bike. Straight away this was the right choice, it's amazingly comfortable. You wouldn't think it was when you first see them, as they have no padding whatsoever, all their comfort comes from the flex of the saddle itself. This C17 will stay with me for this kind of bike forever.
Exellent vid!!
I have a 50 year old Brooks Professional leather saddle. It has been on every bike I have owned. It was hell to break in, but worth it in the long run as it is still very comfortable. It originally came on a Raleigh Competition that cost $300. Now the saddle would cost 2/3 of that. That said, I have a Selle Italia Flite with titanium rails on my old racing bike that is also very comfortable. Unfortunately it too was expensive.
Good info. Thanks. But music vs voice is too loud. I found myself constantly adjusting the volume control...
Shoulda gotten the Brooks C17 with the cutout. Giant comfort difference.
I don't ride much anymore because of age related stuff, but I quickly accumulated a box of saddle failures, and settled - literally - on Brooks for 30 years. I still have my first one - a B-17 Flyer (the 17 w the springs). As I changed from a road bike rider to a converted MTB/touring config, I went with the B-67 and haven't looked back. They are wider, have springs, and are good for long tours or city errands. At 205mm, the steel horseshoe underneath is well clear of my ichial bones.
Brooks saddles are heavy duty and meant to last a lifetime if you tae care of them. All thatentails is bringing along a sensible cover for when you prak in the rain, and minimally oiling once or twice a year. Of course, I always put a coat of Kiwi brown on mine after every ride, just because.
If you are considering one, remember that the saddle on your bike is the Number One most important point of interface between you and the bike. It matters more than anything else. You'll find out in just a few miles.
Leather Brooks saddles do require break in - like a great pair of work boots. But when you,re past that, they feel like an easy chair. You'll see others begin to squirm or ride with one foot on a pedal while they raise up off the saddle to allow blood flow where it has been constricted. But a well broken in Brooks doesn';t do that for many, many more miles down the road.
Never tried the Brooks Camillus in the video. It's synth, and I have never liked synth. Creates hot spots. But a leather saddle wicks moisture away from the rider.
Getting close to 100K subs my dude
I like the park, the view is very beautiful🙃
I have been riding regularly for 50+ years over that time I’ve had numerous saddles on many bikes. Around 5 years ago I tried the brooks Cambium and instantly took to it. I now have one on all of my bikes including my road bike which I’ve used in many sportive’s up to 100 miles. For me, the cambium is the closest I’ve come to the perfect saddle.
I loved this review of different saddles! If you decided to expand on it, I'd love if you could partner with a creator with a different body type to see how different types of saddles compare to different bodies.
The important part IMO is to get a saddle that fits well for you on the bike you're riding. And I think the important parts of fit are that you have _support_ for your sit bones so they're keeping weight off your equipment, and that the sides are shaped to not put pressure on the back of your thigh when you pedal (This is usually the problem with big cushy tractor seats)
my favorite saddle is a thin, flat racing seat without a whole lot of padding, I've done 100km rides on it, and never really even thought about the seat during the ride, so clearly it was reasonably confortable.
I think one challenge in getting a good saddle is that what feels best when you first try it might not be the best, longer term.
I find a relatively hard seat that fits you really well will give you sorer sit bones the first couple times you ride it (or coming back to it if you're off the bike for a month), but after a few rides, you get used to it and it's a non-issue.
OTOH, a softer seat will feel much more comfortable, but your sit bones sink in too much, and the weight spreads out onto areas that are less equipped to handle the load. When you do a long ride, you're more likely to have problems with things going numb, or pinching the muscles at the edge of the seat when you pedal.
I just bought a saddle few hours ago 😂. Wish I had notifications working. Would have viewed this sooner.
I have the c17 with the cut out in the middle I’m not longer moving my weight around all the time. Great saddle, I was skeptical but now I’m a believer.
If you get a chance to try out a c17 with a cut out i am sure you will find it even more comfortable.
Great video as always from one of your subscribers in Scotland.
About 7 or 8 years ago I discovered Charge saddles - I got their Spoon model and it's been amazing, I'm still riding it. I have never had a more comfortable saddle and very affordable as well (around 50 AUD). The model is a bit harder to find now as Charge has now changed their name to Fabric and have a similar model called Scoop. Worth checking out!
Thank you so much for this video. Over the years I've ridden a lot. Way back when I was in grad school I went for over a year with no car. That year I put in 12,500 miles on a bike. I literally went everywhere on it. I started on a Schwinn Collegiate 10 speed (that's all they had back then} and then graduated to a Raleigh 10 speed with a Brooks leather saddle. The saddle was great. Unfortunately when I traded it in on a mountain bike the saddle went with it (stupid me). I'm retired now but I still ride and commute to my volunteer job on a Huffy 3 speed. The saddle on the Huffy is definitely not the best. I've been looking at getting a new saddle and wondering what might work the best. At my age I do have issues with BPH so I know that might play a role in what I choose. I recently looked at Brooks again and almost fell over at the price. Your presentation of the less expensive saddle will probably help me in that choice. Thanks again for this info.
Can't recommend the Brooks B67 for sitting issues enough. No one has ever tried my bike and not been in love with it. Takes almost no breaking in.
Doing this video forced me to rethink my earlier reluctance to put a good saddle on an inexpensive bike. The saddle is so important to comfort that you could argue it makes sense to invest more in the saddle than the bike!
@@Shifter_Cycling Your contact points are super important; saddle, grips, and pedals. They're worth investing in, as you've discovered. I love my B17 softened; I was shocked that it was comfortable right out of the box, and it's only gotten more so.
Given the high rating for the cheap standard saddle, and the big price difference for the Brooks, it seems most people should stick with the cheap one.
The old fashioned ones with springs for me
Great content! Thnx )
Another saddle brand to look into is Ergon. They design their saddles specific to bike type and riding style and all their saddles have a pressure relief channel for your manly bits. In my case, I am a MTBer and ride a big travel enduro bike, I got their SM Enduro comp saddle, and it works perfectly with the long reach and steep seat tube angle of modern enduro bikes, it's designed to work with a slight forward tilt as is normal with steep seat tubes and is reasonably comfortable on flat pedally sections, but gets even more comfortable when you point the bike uphill, actually makes climbs more comfortable than riding on flat trails (since typically on enduro bikes you're pedaling up a big climb then going down a long downhill rather than pedaling on flat or undulating terrain).
I have been using a brooks b66 on my 1950 Raleigh superb and it has been nothing but comfortable it helps that the saddle was designed for the type of bike it's on
Adding an adjustable seat stem shock is a big plus for any bike seat. From the older Brooks style to the new wide cushy styles both are improved. Once you try it you will never go back.
Long live the C17!
I commute every day here in SEA on a city bike. I prefer the big wide soft seat. It's perfect for city bikes. I also have a mountain bike in Canada and on it I use a thinner one with a gel tech cover.
Thanks Tom, kinda knew the Brookes would shine, you really can't put a price on bike comfort, pricey initially yes but quality will out, always.
What I like most about the Brooks is the durability, I also have the C17 on my bike, I've been using it for about 2.5 years in all types of weather and I think 10-15.000 km or so.
It still feels just as good as ever! No signs of wear yet.
I did however have an issue for a while where the rivets on the back, especially the very left one, ate into my pants so I've filed that down a little and smoothed the edges.
And getting it set up right is crucial, I was underwhelmed at first until I got it dialed in and did long distances.
Great video. I'm moving to Belgium and might be in situation of using similar seating position ebike as daily transport (up and down in the 200 meters deep valley) . I was wondering about getting Spongy Wonder while I'm here in Canada, but it costs same as Brooks C17 in Europe.
The Brooks C17 Cambium is available without the taint buster, called the C17 Carved.
Well done. I was hoping you would include a Brooks saddle in your evaluation. I'm about to get one this winter. Probably a B17
Last year, my saddle (touring bike; the factory saddle) was stolen while by bike was parked at the train station.
That's something to consider before you bue expensive accessories and you need to leave your commuter bike in public parking often.
But my other point is:
When I went to my local bike dealer to get a new saddle, I learned about proper sizing: They made me sit on a piece of, well, carbon-copy paper, something like that, to measure the distance between my sit bones, and my new saddle has the corresponding correct width now. Which I appreciate.
Thoughts on that?
Great review! I have a Brooks C17 and I noticed that it becomes softer once it warms up after a few minutes of use. I've wondered if this is one reason it's so comfortable, because once it softens up it can mold to your anatomy.
Nice comparison. And a good subject.
Too bad that the traditional Brooks was left out. Before moving on to recumbents I had a lot of uprights. I use the bikes for daily commutes of about 25 km. For years I had one of the traditional leather Brooks saddles. The effort put into maintaining and breaking in the saddle is well worth it.
Give it a shot.
I ride like 5 different bikes throughout a month…brooks leather B is better than c17 but…I spent time “flipping saddles” because the bikes really make a difference to that “correct feel” as well.
Great video.
I've got 6 here as well. 6 different saddles. I have some that I prefer over others, but I can do long rides on all of them
As always, the content and production are top-notch in this video. Did notice an uptick in the quality of the music. Very nice! Oh, yes, if your butt gets sore, it means you are riding your bike too much. Bikes never were designed for long rides. You realize that we humans do tend to take things to the extreme. Go on shorter rides, and ride less often. Mix it up. Go for a walk; play pickle ball; shoot some hoops; pump a little iron; and jog, for instance. In the end, you won't need to bother about saddle soreness. Variety is the spice of life even when it comes to protecting your fanny on your bike.
Nose-less bicycle seats are like a tripod that’s missing a leg. You tend to tighten up your arms and shoulders to compensate, beating more problems than it solves. And there are seats with perineum relief that have noses, so I don’t think it would be necessary for most people to suffer those disadvantages.
I think the most important point is that everyone's anatomy is different, and that the 'typical' bikes you see in the UK (much like in North America) are built for men who participate in sports. If you hop on a bike and find it to be uncomfortable, then it's the wrong bike/saddle/handlebars, don't give up on the idea of cycling!
The C17 is the best saddle. I have done 17k miles on mine. Its a game changer in comfort and performance. I now have it on my Giant revolt gravel bike. I wouldn't use any other saddle.
I think one undervalued - and very subjective - factor is the curvature of the saddle perpendicular to its longitudinal axis. The C17, for example, is much rounder than most saddles. It seems to be very subjective what everyone prefers but I think it's a good idea to find out what's best for you.
I also use a hybrid bike for commuting. However, as it is a very windy region, I added tribars so I could minimise wind resistance. This works brilliantly, except for the marked decrease in saddle comfort. I now use a short nose ISM saddle which is an improvement, but far from perfect, so I may investigate that completely noseless saddle you showed (an overall 4/10 seemed a little harsh!).
Update: Tried to find a UK seller - apparently there aren't any! It would be a lot of money to import it without even trying it first. 😪
As an e-bike rider, where pushing hard on the pedals on hills isn't as important as a regular bike, so I prefer a softer saddle personally.
one thing for sure: I'd avoid cut-out saddles in winter periods, all the wind, all the grit, no pros, just cons.
Ha! I've never thought about the "wind chill" with those saddles. Yikes no thanks 😳
Can you stuff a plastic bag or something underneath?
I’ve had a Brooks C17 for years and agree that it’s great. Two downsides would be the weight, as I’ve had it on my Brompton and weight when carrying the bike folded can be a consideration, and also I think the cotton/rubber surface may have created abrasion on my trousers and worn them through at the sit bones. It’s been a while since I’ve had it on the bike, but that was a concern, as I was going through jeans! The surface does smooth out over time, though, so maybe that became less of an issue and I’ve just not used it become of the Brompton carrying weight point.
As an owner of a much modified 2019 SuperlightM6LXBrompton, I have had carbon saddles on it, but now a printed saddle. It weighs presently 8,5 kilo, still with mudguards, as a "Rainy Dane"! And it is a horrible, hard rolling bike on the small wheels, so Andrew Ritchie should have been punished for inventing it!! 😄Finn. Denmark.
I returned to riding after several years of layoff. My new bike gave me ischial bursitis. The seat was soft enough but my butt was wide enough that the seat acted as wedge trying to push my ischia apart and damaging the bursa. I finally found a seat that was wide and relatively flat that solved the problem.