I'm guessing the driving experience is comparable. To me it's really about a) can you afford a 991 b) can you afford to repair electronic failures in the 991 c) if yes to a & b then get a 991 strictly because of the interior. The 991 interior is an exceptional place to be and it's the only thing that substantially better than the 997. Otherwise they're comparable.
@@AutoAmateur I find the 997 interior that I have optioned is so very similar to the 991. Now 996 to 997 is a huge difference. I happen to have extended leather, sport seats and wheel color keyed console, sport crono etc....and for my eye there is no difference except I have a stick...which is why I would never "upgrade". Keep your 997 or else it will be something you regret. Save for however long you require and buy a 991 as well if you need.
Are there alot of electronic failures on the 991 platform? Wouldn't the 997 ims issues be worse? I know the 991 heater can break but not a huge deal as i live in california. Love to hear your thoughts and experiences as I am looking to get a 991 soon.
I don’t speak for everyone, but I feel you are in the same world of pain,like all fellow Porsche 911 owners, as much as we love our current model, the lure of a newer version is exciting and frustrating. I have a 997, the car I wanted when I first saw it in England in 2005, to me it epitomises the prowess of a proper raw sports car for the road. Until you own a 911, you will never understand the love affair.
Thorughly enjoy your videos, great job on them. I have driven a 991.1 C2S on a test drive before eventually buying a 997.2 C2S. The 991 definitely had more of the GT car feel, more comfortable and more refined. It would be the better car to drive everyday to and from work or even around town if you wanted it to be more comfortable. PDK is also better in the 991. What I can say though is that for me, the 997 suited what I wanted to use it for was 8 months out of the year for weekend driving. After having an issue with my 997.2 C2S that the dealer could not solve, I ended up selling it back to them and I am now on the hunt for a 997 GT3. They are great cars and has been my favorite out of all that I have driven, including 3 997 Turbos (1 .1 and 2 .2's) a 991.2 GT3 and various other Porsche's. No wrong answer, being able to own one of these cars is truly amazing and you will enjoy no matter what you end up with, after watching your most recent video it sounds like you got a 991. Congrats!
I have 05 Carrera and an 2015 Range Rover Sport with all the bells and whistles.my Carrera has no fancy equipment except for GPS, but I love just the thrill of it being a pure sports car
I don't know man! I love my 991.1 C2S a lot! The thing that puts me off the 991.2 is the sound. Yes, it's a better looking and faster car, but the 3.0L engine just feels like Porsche compromised a bit too far. Anyway, I was in the 997 vs 991 decision camp for 2 years. Ended up with the 991 PDK and not regretting it one bit. People who think it's strictly a GT car, well go and drive one hard and you'll find it has a split personality. My heart rate on my Garmin watch begs to differ! It's an epic machine for the money.
White or GT Silver are great ‘colours’ for a 911. Black is fantastic but so difficult to maintain. Agreed with your comments about the rear lights of 997 and 991... 991 is a very compelling proposition, but if you do stick with the 997 would you consider after lowering it taking it back to a stock form like Michael Bath’s car? I think his car looks perfect in my view. Classic and understated. Good luck with your process, you can’t really go wrong. There isn’t a bad 911.
I agree with Nicholas, i would probably go with silver again (GT Silver) or white. Although, if I was lucky enough to buy a GT3 RS then it would have to be strong colour - lava orange / blue / ultraviolet. Classic and understated i like that 👍 Cheers Nicholas!
Great video - glad to see “the competition” and get an inside your head perspective. I think you need to remember why you got the 997... and if that’s changed then go with that! Excited for you either way.. keep the videos coming.
And I hear ya on the tail lights of the 997.2 - but have you considered the 4S with the red light strip all the way across? It makes the lights on the 997.2 not as noticeable in my opinion. You also didn’t mention your thoughts on the Carrera 4 vs. Carrera... is 4 wheel drive something you want?
I'm a 997.2 GTS owner. A hell of a build with full aero, carbon buckets, and leather to sample interior. It's one of a kind. HOWEVER, I drove a 991.2 GTS and it is leaps and bounds better in every single way imaginable. The only thing "better" on the 997.2 GTS is the sound and steering. One thing that I feel a 991.2 should have is RAS. Great video!
I bought my 997.1 C2S several years ago (from the Minneapolis Porsche Dealership) and LOVE it. Here are a couple thoughts on your "dilemma" 997.1 vs 991.1= 1) Bang for the Buck...nothing has more performance than the 997(4.5 0-60 is fast enough for anyone not wanting to go to jail or spend $1,000 a month for car insurance). 2) Sun Roof vs Moon Roof....only the 991 has a glass moon roof if you're want more light (I wish the 997 had glass, but wasn't an option) 3) Pure engine sound. The 997.1 just has an amazing engine note that the 991 doesn't because of the DFI. I know everyone talks about the IMS, but I had the rubber seal on my IMS barring removed (L&N recommendation) when i had a new clutch put in to solve the issue 4) Looks - The 997.1 has the most perfect proportions It looks like a classic Porsche 911 from every side. The 991's are beautiful as well, but just not as proportional. 5) Transmission - You have GOT TO BE KIDDING. The manual transmission is a must with a sports car. There are so few "sticks" available. Take a look at the demand of used Ferreris and Lambos with manuals. They command a premium over the automatic even though they were cheaper when new. Or, do a search on the PorscheUSA site and see how few used 911's are manual. Besides, having a stick is like having an extra security system because so few people know how to drive them any more.
I totally get the burger analogy, couldn't agree more. Here's a suggestion though, find a 997.2 that fits the bill and swap the rear lights and bumper with your 997.1 The person buying your car would probably prefer the upgrade, and you get what you want too..... Then in a few years go with the 991.2 I love the videos, I always think the planning and option analysis is the best part of any major purchase.
Thanks! That's a great suggestion! For sure, that's a way forward. I was looking at the 997.2 GTS market last night. I can get most of the things I want... the GTS steering wheel with Paddle Shifters and the PDK, Sports Chrono, PSE, etc. I think the only thing I can't get with the 997.2 is the vented seats, but that's no big deal.
I love my 08' C2 997 and currently have no desire to upgrade however I have thought about the 991. It's indeed a beautiful car but I don't know if it will excite me or engaging enough for me to make it a weekend car. I'm afraid I might get bored with it fast being that it has all the creature comfort, PDK and more muted steering feel. My 997 always puts a smile on my face when I take it out for a spirited drive and I think a big part of that is due to the rawness of it.
When looking at the 991.1 vs 991.2, I think the biggest thing you have to consider is NA vs Turbo. Also, the 991 Carrera has the 3.4L and the S has the 3.8L. You get the great NA sound with either and you won't get that with the 991.2. I have PDK and PSE. I love both options. However, when my warranty ends, I will get an extension just because PDK ain't cheap to replace if something happens.
I have had both 991.1 GTS and the 997.2 GTS. Both amazing but the one I have more fun with is the 997. You don’t need to go as fast to get the thrills. Both are fast but The 991.1 is very fast and really your just going to get in more trouble because you want to go faster to get the same thrills. Just get the the 991 because you can always go back to get your 997 again later. No regrets live it up.
997 is the end of the small body 911's. More importantly its not fully digital. I'll agree that newer platforms have nice options/features, but at the end of the day stay true to your Porsche journey.
@Auto Amateur, I owned a 997.1 C2 and decided to upgrade to a 991.1 C2S (back in 2014). After owning the 991.1 for a bit, I was so turned off by the car I ended up selling it and going Porsche'less for four years. I now own another 997.1 C2, black with sandy beige interior; could never be happier! I also live in the twin cities area, if you want more details...
Mate, i reckon your answer is a 997.2 Carrera GTS with PDK, going on what you've said. I know you don't like the rear lights, but they grow on you. Advantage is, it's still a 997 but has the benefits of the 991.1 with the DFI engine, PDK, and similar money to the 991.1 C2/4. Also the GTS will most likely hold it's value because of that special/rarer factor. The C2 GTS is the only wide body 2WD apart from the GT3 RS and Sport Classic which are a lot more expensive. I hear where you're at though, i have a 997.2 C2, but keep looking at 991.2's now, if it's going to be a 991 it has to be the .2 for me, for similar reasons you pointed out, i love the Carrera T ... but then for that money it gets close to a 997.2 GT3, which i'd much rather have ... i go round in circles and try and stay happy with what i've got! Maybe try and test a 997.2 GTS?
It’s great to know I’m not the one in this predicament! I have started looking at the 997.2 GTS and there are quite a few on the US market right now that are in my price range. Definitely an option if I get can past the Spider-Man rear lights. 😆🤦🏼♂️
i went from 997.1 C2S with aerokit to 991.2 GT3. the 991 platform is so much better imo. If you get a 991.1 model, consider getting one with the aerokit and ducktail already fitted
I will say this i just got back from vacation driving home at night quick race and at 150mph my 996 feels a lil light in the front the 997 and 991 has more weight in the front ya for sure have to hold on with both hands and look straight but one of the best drives home ever!! 996 is very light hence less computers etc
The tail of the dragon video was fantastic! Thank you for sharing with us especially being overseas and unable to appreciate it in person. The six speed manual 997.1 Carrera coupe is really the pinnacle of the 911 street performance car. Porsche made a brilliant vehicle. Yourself and Michael are right in saying “base” Carrera is undermining the brilliance of the car. I have the 997.1 C2S manual coupe and if I could do it all over would save myself some money and buy a manual 997.1 C2 or C4 even for the fatness! I’d upgrade the brakes to those on the S. The extra money saved would be put into a centre console delete, fister exhaust and some beautiful folding euro bucket seats for my 3 year old to climb in the back. Why would I not buy the S? Firstly, I don’t have the time or area to track it so the 3.8 is too powerful for the hills. Here we have draconian driving regulations and by the time I’m feeling and hearing the excitement of my 911 I’m already well and truly smashing the speed limit. The 3.6 is powerful enough for the winding hills and valleys of where I live and the manual 3.8 is not a drag car in stock form anyway. The new Mercedes 4 cylinder turbo is going to push out 310 kilowatts! It would crush my 911 in a straight line and every one is going to have one of these as an everyday driver. Pasm? It’s hard for our roads. Really hard! I don’t use it even though each time I go out I say I will 😆 I can live with or without it. So your car is perfect as a drivers car. It won’t get any better. The 991 is as many said a goodbye to the sports car and a hello to grand touring but without all the space. The 991 with pdk could be a nice compliment to the 997 but I wouldn’t replace it with it. The 991 will drop heavily over the next few years while your 997 will lose little value especially now its famous! :) As exciting as it is for a new comfortable, modern, automatic, luxury toy you know what you should (shouldn’t) do. As a bloke also with impulsive car tendencies I feel you may have already emotionally and mentally committed!?
Haha. To your last point, no... I haven't already mentally committed yet. :) Close, but no. I'm still very much leaning towards to staying with my 997 but I'm excited at the prospect of what a new 911 for me would look like. I love your post though, absolutely fantastic!!! 10/10!
Hahaa I have the same thoughts as you at times but the price of a 991.1 pdk or manual is from 140k aud or 105k usd and up makes up my mind for me. You know i have been tempted by the gt4 which here is about 115 usd. It is a cayman rather than a 911 I know but I think with so much stuff from the gt3 and a mid engined 3.8, and with a 6 speed it could be a more modern yet still classic in some ways collectible Porsche.... but it isn’t a 911 🤔
I have a 997 S gen 1 manual and I have been considering a 991.1S as I like the look of it but I have concerns about build quality based on Nick Murray videos. But it could be possible Nick is either unlucky or to fussy either way it would probably be better to buy a 2013 onwards rather than the first year of production. However I am going to sell my 997 anyway and finish off a 996 Aero project and I will wait for the wintertime to get a nice 991.1S at the right price. Tom
I liked the white 991 4S. I'm sure you read Porsche "Excellence" magazine? They always say buy the best 911 you can afford. So, it sounds like you could afford a 991.2, but it would sting a little. I say go for it, Or wait another year for the prices to soften. And I believe they will once the 992's hit the dealerships.
Auto Amateur it’s a lot more modern and up to date, the PCM is great with BT music via my iPhone, the exhaust popping on downshifts in sport mode is also fantastic and I like the sport design steering wheel with the paddles, much better than the switches I had on my 997. Overall the 991.1 is just improved in all areas for me, one day I’ll get a 991.2 or even a 992....I just need to save up 😆
Love the video and you taking your time to talk it out (considering the onslaught of goating by P@P chat group. Which I had no part of 😆). I know how much you love the styling of the 2nd gen 991 and rightfully so...its freakin' awesome. I just don't know of you can live with a gen 1. I almost wonder if you wait another year to pickup the 991.2. The 992 is scheduled to hit US markets this late summer snd it only going to drive down the 991 prices. We are already seeing base '17 models in the high 80 right now. I would imagine by next spring they'd be in the 60. Get the car you truly want, don't settle. Just my 30 sec opinion.
Thanks Chris, I think that’s really key - not settling for any another car when I love the one I have. Now let’s get that Targa of yours out on the road! 🤩
You would want to go for the .2 after the .1? I have a .2 , and sometimes wonder if the .1 was what I should have gotten. But then again have not spent a lot of time in the .1. I just know the engine sound is muted in the .2 compared to the .1
That’s a great question! For looks, I want the .2. For the sound of the engine, and to find a new 911 in my ideal budget range, it’s the .1 for me. I can’t get over how much I love the sound of the NA engine. It’s gorgeous, powerful, grunting, everything!
I have made about all the mods you have + a number of performance adds. At the point where there isn't much more I can do. That is what is making me "restless " It may be your issue as well.
I was thinking about doing just this, trade my 997.2 PDK for a 991 but i tryed one and i think the 997.2 is a keeper and maybe i get a used Macan for daily city zip arounds.
Hey, same boat as you man, forever thinking about getting another 911, and always end up realising my '05 C2S remains the best car. But one car that caught my eye, and great value, is the GT4, you might want to check them out...
@@AutoAmateur I take it you've test driven one? Is it really not suited for a 6'6 guy like yourself? Pity, what I like is the fact that it's 6 speed manual, those stunning 918 seats, 911 engine, GT3 looks, and 991 C2S price...
I'd consider keeping your 997 for another year or two, stacking some extra funds and getting the 991 gen 1 GTS. That's the car I'm looking for as well.
You're crazy to get rid of the 997. I took mine out yesterday and what an experience, gotta drive it more often... Agree with Michael and the others.. here another simple.... NO. Stay away from accident vechicles, they are never the same once impack, my personal experience.. I always get the $5 burgers.. extra bacon.😀
@@AutoAmateur Don't know what it is..a 911 was just made for a driver. It just holds you down into the bolsters. A lot of the little things we take for granted in Porsche design came from years of racing and testing... No wonder it feels so different than other cars.
I am guilty of wanting everything a Porsche has to offer, SOOO I purhcased a Cayenne (8 speed automatic) and a 911 (Standard 6 Speed) cabriolet. So do what ya like. and everyone else can drool.
I guess the 997 interior is looking a little out dated compared to the 991, however the 997 is the better sports car, the 991 is a more accomplished daily driver and an everyday GT car for all occasions. I think the 997 is ageing well and feels special. The last of the water cool true to Porsche form.. All the best , look forward to the next chapter. Life after the 997.1 carrera.....??
If you like PDK and CarPlay...and so on, buy a Macan or cayenne! They are good communicating car. 911 is a fun car for driving not for convenient! You should preserve your 997 mt, it’s really a driving lover car and buy another for traffic!
keep the 997, change out your tail lights to the LED aftermarket ones. You have spent a lot of time modifying it already. Wait a couple years before you get the 991
You just hit on my Plan C. Stick with the 997 then either switch to a 991.2 in about 5 years time or buy a 991.2 and keep the 997. I can get a lift and keep them both together!
James, we don’t pay you to watch you watch Michael Bath videos. I do that myself, I refuse to give you my hard earned cash to see you do the same thing I do. Wait. Nevermind. You do this for free. Fine. Anyways, I’m not getting into my 997 for at least another year. Have to finish up my mid-life career transition. I’ll start looking seriously 12 - 18 months from now. I did like the look of the 991 C2S in North. Carolina, but I HAVE to have a 3rd pedal. Plus I just believe the 997 is the sweet spot in the 911 line up. Have you considered the 997 GT3. I’ve seen them from about $90K. If money were no object, that’s where I’d be looking. Performance wise, I know I don’t drive well enough to fret over the difference between a 991 and a 997 at the GT3 level anyways, so..... Either way, happy hunting!!
Everyone is different, but for me the older the model the better. Someday the 997 I can see it being the collector car (isn't it the last of 911 before Volkswagen?). The 991 is awesome! Especially the rear steering. However, they are way more expensive. My buddy who owns a 991 doesn't worry about cost. His worry is not 991 or 997, instead he is contemplating jet vs prop! All that said, no amount of cash would cause me to ditch my 996. To me (I'm a minority), the 996 is the perfect car.
991? not for me, always go with 997, love it so much. 997 has the same price of 991, so y I'll change something very cool that is keeping its value for another that is still depreciating ? 997 is rising.
OK this is truly disturbing after watching your last videos with the 997 and the Dragon Tail your obvious 997 exuberance is soon forgotten.The "addict"now needs a more of a "hit" as he circles the drain to Porsche oblivion and financial ruin.Here is why an intervention is required: 1.The 991 is now the first edition of the 911GT format! THE 997 is the LAST SPORT MODEL OF THE 911 PRODUCED HENCE LOOK OUT CLASSC Status coming soon. 2.It is a poor GT car as it is too small for long journeys people plus luggage 3.Automatic rules from now on.As Porsche try to appeal to non sports car drivers.Expand the market.Correct me but has the oil pressure gauge been removed? 4.Driver comms have been improved as it becomes pretty inside an excellent ladies car.Wife can ow drive it! 5.991 Side profile with spoiler raised looks like a "Ducks Ass" 6. Suggest you review the Car guys 991 review particularly the bonnet design??Unfinished. Stick with the997 and your basic Liverpudlian good sense.
one good things about the Turbo, it will never depreciate will most likely appreciate. Same thing is true of the GT3. Frankly, if you can get a GT3 and you can tolerate the ride/ground clearance - do it!! In 5-7 years you'll actually make money.
@@AutoAmateur and your can do serious power upgrades to the Mesier......prolly spelled that wrong.......motor. Id definitly consider a 996 or 997 turbo between $50k-75k
@@AutoAmateur personally Im done with base Carreras after my misfortune with the 996.2. Its strickly Porsche Turbos for me. Within 2yrs Im either gonna have a 993 Turbo, 996 Turbo or 997 Turbo.......manual of course.
A 997.2 is the last 911 you can really enjoy the performance envelope of on the road. The 991+ goes beyond what is safe and sensible (to get your kicks) unless you only care for the track. What you really want is a manual 997.2 C2S or C4S with sports exhausts. No more is needed or any more desirable in reality. (IMO of course) - BTW - the 997.2 will probably be a better investment over 5-10 years too.
Are you saying the performance gains (such as greater BHP) in the 991 aren’t worth it? What you get in the 997 range is enough for normal road conditions? If so, i would tend to agree. My 997 C2 is ridiculously powerful and fast enough for me. I know it’s nowhere near as powerful as a Turbo or GT3, but I really don’t care about that. It’s more than enough car for me.
@@AutoAmateur 100% agree, cars March onwards in terms of performance, they have to. But roads and speed limits are staying the same. Its all about visceral experience to me personally and the 997 has it in bucket loads.
This is what I would suggest - keep the 997 and spend $25K (which I suppose you have to have anyway if you are upgrading) - and buy a 500SL about 5 years old - they all have low mileage, the massive depreciation on a 100K + car is finished, and a million toys (including massage seats!!), huge power when you do a mild remap for a few hundred bucks - you can easily get 500bhp + and loads more torque - the 4.7 litre twin turbo V8 is mega.The car is a lot lighter than you would think. Its the opposite end of the scale to the 997 - and will entertain hugely for very little money. You will then have your 'proper' GT car - a drop top hard top. You won't believe how quick and capable it feels! Go drive one!
Yeah but who cares? You’re assuming my primary motivation for Porsche ownership, or one of them, is associated with money or retained value. I really couldn’t care less. I want to own and drive as many different 911s as I can, while I can. I’ll have another 997 at some point.
That’s fair enough. It’s definitely a different driving experience but then so is every other 911 I’ve driven. 993, 996, 997, 991, 992. They’re all 911s but they’re all very different.
PDK is just a faster AT, driving PDK is such a boring thing! A sport car shouldn’t always be AT! I had a Porsche macan turbo with PDK for communication! The PDK can never replace the MT shifts by me thought! Faster is not the most important thing, driving on the road is not competition or race! It’s for fun! MT is better driving experience!
I'm guessing the driving experience is comparable. To me it's really about a) can you afford a 991 b) can you afford to repair electronic failures in the 991 c) if yes to a & b then get a 991 strictly because of the interior. The 991 interior is an exceptional place to be and it's the only thing that substantially better than the 997. Otherwise they're comparable.
I think that’s a great summary. (Ps. There has to be a UA-cam video somewhere that can show me how to install a 991 interior into my 997. 😆🙌 )
@@AutoAmateur I find the 997 interior that I have optioned is so very similar to the 991. Now 996 to 997 is a huge difference. I happen to have extended leather, sport seats and wheel color keyed console, sport crono etc....and for my eye there is no difference except I have a stick...which is why I would never "upgrade". Keep your 997 or else it will be something you regret. Save for however long you require and buy a 991 as well if you need.
Are there alot of electronic failures on the 991 platform? Wouldn't the 997 ims issues be worse? I know the 991 heater can break but not a huge deal as i live in california. Love to hear your thoughts and experiences as I am looking to get a 991 soon.
My old bones are telling me the lowered 997 is bit too harsh.
And thus I'm considering the same change from 997 to 991.
Thanks for the videos.
Thanks so much! Good luck! 🤩🙌
I don’t speak for everyone, but I feel you are in the same world of pain,like all fellow Porsche 911 owners, as much as we love our current model, the lure of a newer version is exciting and frustrating. I have a 997, the car I wanted when I first saw it in England in 2005, to me it epitomises the prowess of a proper raw sports car for the road. Until you own a 911, you will never understand the love affair.
Thorughly enjoy your videos, great job on them. I have driven a 991.1 C2S on a test drive before eventually buying a 997.2 C2S. The 991 definitely had more of the GT car feel, more comfortable and more refined. It would be the better car to drive everyday to and from work or even around town if you wanted it to be more comfortable. PDK is also better in the 991. What I can say though is that for me, the 997 suited what I wanted to use it for was 8 months out of the year for weekend driving. After having an issue with my 997.2 C2S that the dealer could not solve, I ended up selling it back to them and I am now on the hunt for a 997 GT3. They are great cars and has been my favorite out of all that I have driven, including 3 997 Turbos (1 .1 and 2 .2's) a 991.2 GT3 and various other Porsche's. No wrong answer, being able to own one of these cars is truly amazing and you will enjoy no matter what you end up with, after watching your most recent video it sounds like you got a 991. Congrats!
Thanks Joe! This is great advice and good luck with your hunt for the GT3!
I have 05 Carrera and an 2015 Range Rover Sport with all the bells and whistles.my Carrera has no fancy equipment except for GPS, but I love just the thrill of it being a pure sports car
For a second there I thought i was watching the wrong channel 😁 thanks for the intro James 😊. BTW your content is 👍🙌 at the moment.
Hahahaha. I got such a kick from seeing you in your 997 I HAD to do something with it. 🤩🙌
I feel (in)famous now. 👍🏾👍🏾🤣
Keep up the great content.
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Thanks for sharing. Selfishly, I hope you keep the 997 a little longer.
I don't know man! I love my 991.1 C2S a lot! The thing that puts me off the 991.2 is the sound. Yes, it's a better looking and faster car, but the 3.0L engine just feels like Porsche compromised a bit too far. Anyway, I was in the 997 vs 991 decision camp for 2 years. Ended up with the 991 PDK and not regretting it one bit. People who think it's strictly a GT car, well go and drive one hard and you'll find it has a split personality. My heart rate on my Garmin watch begs to differ! It's an epic machine for the money.
Hahahah. I love that! Maybe I should work my heart rate on my Apple Watch into the video?! Great idea! 🤩🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
White or GT Silver are great ‘colours’ for a 911. Black is fantastic but so difficult to maintain. Agreed with your comments about the rear lights of 997 and 991... 991 is a very compelling proposition, but if you do stick with the 997 would you consider after lowering it taking it back to a stock form like Michael Bath’s car? I think his car looks perfect in my view. Classic and understated. Good luck with your process, you can’t really go wrong. There isn’t a bad 911.
I agree with Nicholas, i would probably go with silver again (GT Silver) or white. Although, if I was lucky enough to buy a GT3 RS then it would have to be strong colour - lava orange / blue / ultraviolet. Classic and understated i like that 👍 Cheers Nicholas!
Great video - glad to see “the competition” and get an inside your head perspective. I think you need to remember why you got the 997... and if that’s changed then go with that! Excited for you either way.. keep the videos coming.
Thanks Peter! More coming right up!
And I hear ya on the tail lights of the 997.2 - but have you considered the 4S with the red light strip all the way across? It makes the lights on the 997.2 not as noticeable in my opinion. You also didn’t mention your thoughts on the Carrera 4 vs. Carrera... is 4 wheel drive something you want?
I think the C4 or C4S would be nice, but it’s not a must have for me. Either way, I won’t be driving the 911 in the snow and ice here in MN.
I'm a 997.2 GTS owner. A hell of a build with full aero, carbon buckets, and leather to sample interior. It's one of a kind. HOWEVER, I drove a 991.2 GTS and it is leaps and bounds better in every single way imaginable. The only thing "better" on the 997.2 GTS is the sound and steering. One thing that I feel a 991.2 should have is RAS. Great video!
Thanks!! That’s very useful insight. Appreciate it!!
Would be interesting to hear from people who drove the 991 first and then the 997, and vice versa. That first impression is important.
I bought my 997.1 C2S several years ago (from the Minneapolis Porsche Dealership) and LOVE it. Here are a couple thoughts on your "dilemma" 997.1 vs 991.1= 1) Bang for the Buck...nothing has more performance than the 997(4.5 0-60 is fast enough for anyone not wanting to go to jail or spend $1,000 a month for car insurance). 2) Sun Roof vs Moon Roof....only the 991 has a glass moon roof if you're want more light (I wish the 997 had glass, but wasn't an option) 3) Pure engine sound. The 997.1 just has an amazing engine note that the 991 doesn't because of the DFI. I know everyone talks about the IMS, but I had the rubber seal on my IMS barring removed (L&N recommendation) when i had a new clutch put in to solve the issue 4) Looks - The 997.1 has the most perfect proportions It looks like a classic Porsche 911 from every side. The 991's are beautiful as well, but just not as proportional. 5) Transmission - You have GOT TO BE KIDDING. The manual transmission is a must with a sports car. There are so few "sticks" available. Take a look at the demand of used Ferreris and Lambos with manuals. They command a premium over the automatic even though they were cheaper when new. Or, do a search on the PorscheUSA site and see how few used 911's are manual. Besides, having a stick is like having an extra security system because so few people know how to drive them any more.
Negative!!
I totally get the burger analogy, couldn't agree more. Here's a suggestion though, find a 997.2 that fits the bill and swap the rear lights and bumper with your 997.1 The person buying your car would probably prefer the upgrade, and you get what you want too..... Then in a few years go with the 991.2
I love the videos, I always think the planning and option analysis is the best part of any major purchase.
Thanks! That's a great suggestion! For sure, that's a way forward. I was looking at the 997.2 GTS market last night. I can get most of the things I want... the GTS steering wheel with Paddle Shifters and the PDK, Sports Chrono, PSE, etc. I think the only thing I can't get with the 997.2 is the vented seats, but that's no big deal.
I love my 08' C2 997 and currently have no desire to upgrade however I have thought about the 991. It's indeed a beautiful car but I don't know if it will excite me or engaging enough for me to make it a weekend car. I'm afraid I might get bored with it fast being that it has all the creature comfort, PDK and more muted steering feel. My 997 always puts a smile on my face when I take it out for a spirited drive and I think a big part of that is due to the rawness of it.
Vincent T. I think we’re on the same page there Vincent. Thanks as ever for the comments!! 🙌🙌
When looking at the 991.1 vs 991.2, I think the biggest thing you have to consider is NA vs Turbo. Also, the 991 Carrera has the 3.4L and the S has the 3.8L. You get the great NA sound with either and you won't get that with the 991.2. I have PDK and PSE. I love both options. However, when my warranty ends, I will get an extension just because PDK ain't cheap to replace if something happens.
Thanks! Great comments. I hadn’t considered the NA vs Turbo engines between the two models. More food for thought!
I have had both 991.1 GTS and the 997.2 GTS. Both amazing but the one I have more fun with is the 997. You don’t need to go as fast to get the thrills. Both are fast but The 991.1 is very fast and really your just going to get in more trouble because you want to go faster to get the same thrills. Just get the the 991 because you can always go back to get your 997 again later. No regrets live it up.
Thanks! That’s very helpful!!
997 is the end of the small body 911's. More importantly its not fully digital. I'll agree that newer platforms have nice options/features, but at the end of the day stay true to your Porsche journey.
@Auto Amateur, I owned a 997.1 C2 and decided to upgrade to a 991.1 C2S (back in 2014). After owning the 991.1 for a bit, I was so turned off by the car I ended up selling it and going Porsche'less for four years. I now own another 997.1 C2, black with sandy beige interior; could never be happier! I also live in the twin cities area, if you want more details...
Thanks Nick! That’s so interesting! The 991 turned you off??! Wow!
Mate, i reckon your answer is a 997.2 Carrera GTS with PDK, going on what you've said. I know you don't like the rear lights, but they grow on you. Advantage is, it's still a 997 but has the benefits of the 991.1 with the DFI engine, PDK, and similar money to the 991.1 C2/4. Also the GTS will most likely hold it's value because of that special/rarer factor. The C2 GTS is the only wide body 2WD apart from the GT3 RS and Sport Classic which are a lot more expensive. I hear where you're at though, i have a 997.2 C2, but keep looking at 991.2's now, if it's going to be a 991 it has to be the .2 for me, for similar reasons you pointed out, i love the Carrera T ... but then for that money it gets close to a 997.2 GT3, which i'd much rather have ... i go round in circles and try and stay happy with what i've got! Maybe try and test a 997.2 GTS?
It’s great to know I’m not the one in this predicament! I have started looking at the 997.2 GTS and there are quite a few on the US market right now that are in my price range. Definitely an option if I get can past the Spider-Man rear lights. 😆🤦🏼♂️
i went from 997.1 C2S with aerokit to 991.2 GT3. the 991 platform is so much better imo.
If you get a 991.1 model, consider getting one with the aerokit and ducktail already fitted
Thanks Manny!!
I will say this i just got back from vacation driving home at night quick race and at 150mph my 996 feels a lil light in the front the 997 and 991 has more weight in the front ya for sure have to hold on with both hands and look straight but one of the best drives home ever!! 996 is very light hence less computers etc
Hahahaha. That’s awesome!!
@@AutoAmateur yea its fun hurting mustang drivers feelings (they have no top speed) =)
The tail of the dragon video was fantastic! Thank you for sharing with us especially being overseas and unable to appreciate it in person.
The six speed manual 997.1 Carrera coupe is really the pinnacle of the 911 street performance car. Porsche made a brilliant vehicle. Yourself and Michael are right in saying “base” Carrera is undermining the brilliance of the car. I have the 997.1 C2S manual coupe and if I could do it all over would save myself some money and buy a manual 997.1 C2 or C4 even for the fatness! I’d upgrade the brakes to those on the S. The extra money saved would be put into a centre console delete, fister exhaust and some beautiful folding euro bucket seats for my 3 year old to climb in the back.
Why would I not buy the S? Firstly, I don’t have the time or area to track it so the 3.8 is too powerful for the hills. Here we have draconian driving regulations and by the time I’m feeling and hearing the excitement of my 911 I’m already well and truly smashing the speed limit. The 3.6 is powerful enough for the winding hills and valleys of where I live and the manual 3.8 is not a drag car in stock form anyway. The new Mercedes 4 cylinder turbo is going to push out 310 kilowatts! It would crush my 911 in a straight line and every one is going to have one of these as an everyday driver.
Pasm? It’s hard for our roads. Really hard! I don’t use it even though each time I go out I say I will 😆 I can live with or without it.
So your car is perfect as a drivers car. It won’t get any better. The 991 is as many said a goodbye to the sports car and a hello to grand touring but without all the space. The 991 with pdk could be a nice compliment to the 997 but I wouldn’t replace it with it. The 991 will drop heavily over the next few years while your 997 will lose little value especially now its famous! :) As exciting as it is for a new comfortable, modern, automatic, luxury toy you know what you should (shouldn’t) do. As a bloke also with impulsive car tendencies I feel you may have already emotionally and mentally committed!?
Haha. To your last point, no... I haven't already mentally committed yet. :) Close, but no. I'm still very much leaning towards to staying with my 997 but I'm excited at the prospect of what a new 911 for me would look like. I love your post though, absolutely fantastic!!! 10/10!
Hahaa I have the same thoughts as you at times but the price of a 991.1 pdk or manual is from 140k aud or 105k usd and up makes up my mind for me.
You know i have been tempted by the gt4 which here is about 115 usd. It is a cayman rather than a 911 I know but I think with so much stuff from the gt3 and a mid engined 3.8, and with a 6 speed it could be a more modern yet still classic in some ways collectible Porsche.... but it isn’t a 911 🤔
I have a 997 S gen 1 manual and I have been considering a 991.1S as I like the look of it but I have concerns about build quality based on Nick Murray videos. But it could be possible Nick is either unlucky or to fussy either way it would probably be better to buy a 2013 onwards rather than the first year of production. However I am going to sell my 997 anyway and finish off a 996 Aero project and I will wait for the wintertime to get a nice 991.1S at the right price. Tom
Walk away from the bumped car - it's priced that way for a reason! - White 911's look fantastic!
Thanks Gez!! That's my instinct too. Appreciate it!
I liked the white 991 4S. I'm sure you read Porsche "Excellence" magazine? They always say buy the best 911 you can afford. So, it sounds like you could afford a 991.2, but it would sting a little. I say go for it, Or wait another year for the prices to soften. And I believe they will once the 992's hit the dealerships.
I’m now scouring the web for 997 GT3s... 😆😈
i went from a 997.2 to a 991.1 last August and am so glad I did, the 991.1 is much better.....you have to get the PSE though, defo!
Thanks Rich!! What makes it better in your experience now as a 991 owner??
Auto Amateur it’s a lot more modern and up to date, the PCM is great with BT music via my iPhone, the exhaust popping on downshifts in sport mode is also fantastic and I like the sport design steering wheel with the paddles, much better than the switches I had on my 997.
Overall the 991.1 is just improved in all areas for me, one day I’ll get a 991.2 or even a 992....I just need to save up 😆
Thank you!! This is very helpful.
Love the video and you taking your time to talk it out (considering the onslaught of goating by P@P chat group. Which I had no part of 😆). I know how much you love the styling of the 2nd gen 991 and rightfully so...its freakin' awesome. I just don't know of you can live with a gen 1. I almost wonder if you wait another year to pickup the 991.2. The 992 is scheduled to hit US markets this late summer snd it only going to drive down the 991 prices. We are already seeing base '17 models in the high 80 right now. I would imagine by next spring they'd be in the 60. Get the car you truly want, don't settle. Just my 30 sec opinion.
Thanks Chris, I think that’s really key - not settling for any another car when I love the one I have. Now let’s get that Targa of yours out on the road! 🤩
@@AutoAmateurShe will need a good drive after being stuck in a garage all week.
You would want to go for the .2 after the .1? I have a .2 , and sometimes wonder if the .1 was what I should have gotten. But then again have not spent a lot of time in the .1. I just know the engine sound is muted in the .2 compared to the .1
That’s a great question! For looks, I want the .2. For the sound of the engine, and to find a new 911 in my ideal budget range, it’s the .1 for me. I can’t get over how much I love the sound of the NA engine. It’s gorgeous, powerful, grunting, everything!
I have made about all the mods you have + a number of performance adds. At the point where there isn't much more I can do. That is what is making me "restless " It may be your issue as well.
That’s definitely a big factor John!!
I had both of them. 991 is a much better car. Honestly 😊
Enjoying all the videos thanks 🙏🏼 , but I think u & driver81 May use the same music source :)
Hahaha. Yup.
Ps. Thanks!
I was thinking about doing just this, trade my 997.2 PDK for a 991 but i tryed one and i think the 997.2 is a keeper and maybe i get a used Macan for daily city zip arounds.
That’s a great idea!! The Mecan is a great daily driver plus there 997.2 was a limited release. There were less units made/sold than the 997.1.
Hey, same boat as you man, forever thinking about getting another 911, and always end up realising my '05 C2S remains the best car. But one car that caught my eye, and great value, is the GT4, you might want to check them out...
That’s the Cayman, right? The GT4? Too small for a big ginger like me. 🤦🏼♂️
@@AutoAmateur I take it you've test driven one? Is it really not suited for a 6'6 guy like yourself? Pity, what I like is the fact that it's 6 speed manual, those stunning 918 seats, 911 engine, GT3 looks, and 991 C2S price...
I have a friend who has a brand new GT4. It’s gorgeous but there just isn’t as much legroom as the 911. It’s such a bugger. 😆
@@AutoAmateur have you purchased the 991 yet? I suppose you're still working on the very exciting new vlog hey? Can't wait!
I have! It should arriving any day now, on a transporter from CA! Can’t wait! 😬😬😬
I'd consider keeping your 997 for another year or two, stacking some extra funds and getting the 991 gen 1 GTS. That's the car I'm looking for as well.
You're crazy to get rid of the 997. I took mine out yesterday and what an experience, gotta drive it more often... Agree with Michael and the others.. here another simple.... NO. Stay away from accident vechicles, they are never the same once impack, my personal experience..
I always get the $5 burgers.. extra bacon.😀
Hahaha. Love it. Bacon on a burger, yes. Slap a fried egg on their too. HELL YES!
Ps. I took the 997 out for a drive this evening and it was amazing. I love it.
@@AutoAmateur Don't know what it is..a 911 was just made for a driver. It just holds you down into the bolsters. A lot of the little things we take for granted in Porsche design came from years of racing and testing... No wonder it feels so different than other cars.
I am guilty of wanting everything a Porsche has to offer, SOOO I purhcased a Cayenne (8 speed automatic) and a 911 (Standard 6 Speed) cabriolet. So do what ya like. and everyone else can drool.
Hahahahaha. I like it. 🤩🙌
I guess the 997 interior is looking a little out dated compared to the 991, however the 997 is the better sports car, the 991 is a more accomplished daily driver and an everyday GT car for all occasions. I think the 997 is ageing well and feels special. The last of the water cool true to Porsche form.. All the best , look forward to the next chapter. Life after the 997.1 carrera.....??
The 997 chapter hasn’t ended yet....! 😉
If you like PDK and CarPlay...and so on, buy a Macan or cayenne! They are good communicating car. 911 is a fun car for driving not for convenient!
You should preserve your 997 mt, it’s really a driving lover car and buy another for traffic!
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keep the 997, change out your tail lights to the LED aftermarket ones. You have spent a lot of time modifying it already. Wait a couple years before you get the 991
Jeffrey Leung “...a lot of time”...and I’m guessing a lot of money!
Look where we are now….I was just offered $85k for my car 991.1 with 20k miles and I told the guy no 😳😳
Good for you!! Keep the yellow submarine.
No way a 991.2 is worth $100k. It's going to depreciate a lot in the coming years. At some point they will be $35-$45k
You just hit on my Plan C. Stick with the 997 then either switch to a 991.2 in about 5 years time or buy a 991.2 and keep the 997. I can get a lift and keep them both together!
35-45k will be reached in 2025. With 70k miles on it. Porsche holds its value more than any other brand.
991 looks substantially better than a 997 and a 997 looks beautiful.
James, we don’t pay you to watch you watch Michael Bath videos. I do that myself, I refuse to give you my hard earned cash to see you do the same thing I do. Wait. Nevermind. You do this for free. Fine.
Anyways, I’m not getting into my 997 for at least another year. Have to finish up my mid-life career transition. I’ll start looking seriously 12 - 18 months from now. I did like the look of the 991 C2S in North. Carolina, but I HAVE to have a 3rd pedal. Plus I just believe the 997 is the sweet spot in the 911 line up. Have you considered the 997 GT3. I’ve seen them from about $90K. If money were no object, that’s where I’d be looking. Performance wise, I know I don’t drive well enough to fret over the difference between a 991 and a 997 at the GT3 level anyways, so..... Either way, happy hunting!!
Hahahahaha. I was going to say! No pay per view here mate!
Everyone is different, but for me the older the model the better. Someday the 997 I can see it being the collector car (isn't it the last of 911 before Volkswagen?). The 991 is awesome! Especially the rear steering. However, they are way more expensive. My buddy who owns a 991 doesn't worry about cost. His worry is not 991 or 997, instead he is contemplating jet vs prop! All that said, no amount of cash would cause me to ditch my 996. To me (I'm a minority), the 996 is the perfect car.
Thanks Sam!! Ps. I love the 996 too, always will. It was my first 911!
If I had a pound for every UMM I’d be in a GT3 RS ☀️
Haha! Harsh. But fair. 🤣
No harshness intended
Just teasing 🙏
Me too. Haha. 🤩🙌
I see you have made up your mind. Good luck.
No way dude!! No decisions yet!!
I remember your 996 to 997 videos. I have been watching your channel for while. It kind of smells familiar. I will miss you. Hahahah
Hahahahaha. Don’t write me off yet!! My 997 might not be going anywhere...! 🤷♂️
I truly hope you come to the Amelia island werks event next year. It was amazing. Log drive for you but it is so worth it.
OOFF!! Just a hefty 20 hour drive without stops. 😆😆 Although I could hire a 911 from Hertz at MIA! Interesting idea... 🤔
Stick with the 997 for 1 to 2 more years then reconsider
Thanks AJ! Wise but no fun. Haha. 🤔😆
Driving a 991 feels like any luxury car like bmw audi mercedes doesnt feel special at all. 997 you feel like you are driving a porsche.
991? not for me, always go with 997, love it so much. 997 has the same price of 991, so y I'll change something very cool that is keeping its value for another that is still depreciating ? 997 is rising.
997 Rising. That’s a great name for a video!! 🤩🙌
OK this is truly disturbing after watching your last videos with the 997 and the Dragon Tail your obvious 997 exuberance is soon forgotten.The "addict"now needs a more of a "hit" as he circles the drain to Porsche oblivion and financial ruin.Here is why an intervention is required:
1.The 991 is now the first edition of the 911GT format! THE 997 is the LAST SPORT MODEL OF THE 911 PRODUCED HENCE LOOK OUT CLASSC Status coming soon.
2.It is a poor GT car as it is too small for long journeys people plus luggage
3.Automatic rules from now on.As Porsche try to appeal to non sports car drivers.Expand the market.Correct me but has the oil pressure gauge been removed?
4.Driver comms have been improved as it becomes pretty inside an excellent ladies car.Wife can ow drive it!
5.991 Side profile with spoiler raised looks like a "Ducks Ass"
6. Suggest you review the Car guys 991 review particularly the bonnet design??Unfinished.
Stick with the997 and your basic Liverpudlian good sense.
Woah there cowboy! Don’t write me off so quickly! 1) Totally and 5) 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆👍 Totally. 🤩🙌
997.1 Turbo/Turbo S?
Or dare I say 996 Turbo S or Turbo X51
Now you’re talking dude!! Maybe a 997 Turbo will make a surprise appearance in one of the upcoming videos... 🥳🥳🥳
one good things about the Turbo, it will never depreciate will most likely appreciate. Same thing is true of the GT3. Frankly, if you can get a GT3 and you can tolerate the ride/ground clearance - do it!! In 5-7 years you'll actually make money.
Jennifer!!!! Thanks for the heads up! Appreciate it. 🥳🥳🥳🙌
@@AutoAmateur and your can do serious power upgrades to the Mesier......prolly spelled that wrong.......motor. Id definitly consider a 996 or 997 turbo between $50k-75k
@@AutoAmateur personally Im done with base Carreras after my misfortune with the 996.2. Its strickly Porsche Turbos for me. Within 2yrs Im either gonna have a 993 Turbo, 996 Turbo or 997 Turbo.......manual of course.
#BringBackRuthie 😊
Hahaha. She’s staring in her own video soon....! 🤩👍
Auto Amateur awesome! I’m looking forward to it; she’s a natural like you 👍
A 997.2 is the last 911 you can really enjoy the performance envelope of on the road. The 991+ goes beyond what is safe and sensible (to get your kicks) unless you only care for the track. What you really want is a manual 997.2 C2S or C4S with sports exhausts. No more is needed or any more desirable in reality. (IMO of course) - BTW - the 997.2 will probably be a better investment over 5-10 years too.
Are you saying the performance gains (such as greater BHP) in the 991 aren’t worth it? What you get in the 997 range is enough for normal road conditions? If so, i would tend to agree. My 997 C2 is ridiculously powerful and fast enough for me. I know it’s nowhere near as powerful as a Turbo or GT3, but I really don’t care about that. It’s more than enough car for me.
@@AutoAmateur 100% agree, cars March onwards in terms of performance, they have to. But roads and speed limits are staying the same. Its all about visceral experience to me personally and the 997 has it in bucket loads.
This is what I would suggest - keep the 997 and spend $25K (which I suppose you have to have anyway if you are upgrading) - and buy a 500SL about 5 years old - they all have low mileage, the massive depreciation on a 100K + car is finished, and a million toys (including massage seats!!), huge power when you do a mild remap for a few hundred bucks - you can easily get 500bhp + and loads more torque - the 4.7 litre twin turbo V8 is mega.The car is a lot lighter than you would think. Its the opposite end of the scale to the 997 - and will entertain hugely for very little money. You will then have your 'proper' GT car - a drop top hard top. You won't believe how quick and capable it feels! Go drive one!
Woah! Way to think outside the box! I’d need to pitch the idea of a 4-car garage to the wife... 🤔
@@AutoAmateur Go get the latest edition of EVO magazine and read the readers letters on the latest 992. It answers all of your questions!
Go 4 it !!! Ha ha . High five
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If money was no object I'd get a Carrera GT !
Ohhhhhh hell yes. Well, if money were no object I configured my dream 991.2 GT2 RS that came in around $300k 🤩🤩🤩🤩
My 1 and only comment on this topic is...………….NO
Hahahahah!!! I love it. But wouldn't you like to me in something other than the boring old 3.6L... ? ;-)
@@AutoAmateur the 997 in my opinion, it's the last 911with Classic shapes and forms
No 991. 997 Carrera to 997 GTS (manual)
It’s funny you should say that. I was just looking at one! Very nice and a few available in the $60-70k range.
Search for one with options you must have. Avoid the rabbit hole.
991 with PDK 🤦♂️
Hahahahaha. Enough said. :-)
991 is a big piece of dog turd. 997 is the last real porsche.
Easy there Tiger! 😲😆
@@AutoAmateur in 10 20 30 years nobody will be looking for a 991. The 997 will be worth much much more.
Yeah but who cares? You’re assuming my primary motivation for Porsche ownership, or one of them, is associated with money or retained value. I really couldn’t care less. I want to own and drive as many different 911s as I can, while I can. I’ll have another 997 at some point.
@@AutoAmateur when i drive a 991 it didnt even feel like a porsche felt like any luxury car. Much to big and smooth.
That’s fair enough. It’s definitely a different driving experience but then so is every other 911 I’ve driven. 993, 996, 997, 991, 992. They’re all 911s but they’re all very different.
Traitor!
Haha! :-) Come join me over on the 991 Dark Side... it's fun.
PDK is just a faster AT, driving PDK is such a boring thing! A sport car shouldn’t always be AT! I had a Porsche macan turbo with PDK for communication! The PDK can never replace the MT shifts by me thought!
Faster is not the most important thing, driving on the road is not competition or race! It’s for fun! MT is better driving experience!