I have been following Syed Muzammil Shah from a very long time. Clearly the most transparent, logical person i have come across this decade. From Women rights to pashteen movement. From politics to religious argument.This Man is legend in every aspect!!
@@sayyedalii be aware he is kind of person who influenced by cristopher hethence and all other atheist philosopher and he try to abode them in indian/ Pakistani society.... Be entitled with your words...
Met muzammil yesterday at Bohemia's concert in Pakfest22 Lahore. I tapped him and greeted him, told him that I'm literally binge watching his videos and he thanked me for following plus he answered all my Qs even though he was with his friends and he asked me about my university and told me that he went to the same university (Forman Christian College University Lahore). He was very humble, very lovely and warm personality. Indeed a great intellect and human being.
Syed Muzamil shah is a very strong, pationate, and psychological man , he known how to deliver the truth among audiences. I started to listen him since 2019 , he totally changed my perspective and yet I accepted the all facts and stand with truth
I commend the host for posing these specific questions particularly in the second half of the conversation. I've wanted to hear the guest's take on such particular things. Impressive young men. Hope our future generations are taking notes.
Syed Muzammil shah ( guest) is a giant at this young age, he will probably become a phenomenon in a near future.. Intellectual like him is a need of time, his thoughts makes you realise that how less I know..Next level Guru hai..his smile is killer but his serious poker face has a different level depth..
What a healthy debate that was !! This was so worth to watch .. dear muzamil Hassan a kindly request to you that we need more podcast with Syed muzamil... I swear now this one and half hour was so worth and most valuable to me than my entire schooling and college education.. We need more people like you SMO 💖👑
1:28:00 this monologue of 4 minutes sent chills down my spine, what a man spoke the truth so ruthlessly that it shook the podcaster. There are Pakistanis who know and understand what has actually happened in the country. Kudos man.
Yeah by diverting the question on why Muzammil (guest) wants to secularise the education system. Look what he answers in that 4 minute monologue, some history of how state sponsored Salafism, Pashtoon etc but no answer on secularising the education.
@@sadamhussainshaikh5392 Secularising the education system is a bad thing? The lies in your books in the name of Islam, Hindu hatred, wrong history (I'm not making this up, your people say it out loud every single day) has lead you guys to be a highly radicalised society and ik you'll come up with what-aboutery and I'll accept it but there's a reason why Pakistan has become a failed state
@@sahasss7100 you give me your argument on why secularising the education is good for Pakistan? If there are problematic texts, they should reviewed and removed. You should be concerned about Muzammil’s (Guest) whataboutery, as he cleverly diverted the second last question.
Strongly agree with each & everyhting Syed Muzammil Shah said, He is the most Rational person & he always talk with facts, very knowledgable podcast, Tysm for calling him, He's truly a Gem❤️
I'm following Syed muzammil shah from the last 3 years, I have seen his all videos he made me liberal, critical thinker, jaise Muzammil apne ghr k kise debates m participate nh krte hum bhi nh krte or agr galti se kr bhi lain tou ghr waly kehte hain pagal hogya hai ya iski baataon ko ignore kro :) big fan Muzammil Sir
I have been watching this guest guy for a long time and one thing i would say he is more attracted towards big personalities rather than being towards ideas .In his every talk you will listen many philosophers quote to make his argument more meaningful.
I am an Indian and watch muzammil very keenly and regularly . He is a priceless asset for the youth of all developing societies which survive and progress on thinking and innovations . The day such intellectual debates stops in such societies and the political debates take their place, the decay starts ! All the so called established anchors of Pakistan/ India call representatives of different political parties, engage them in cockfighting , watch them and show ends . Some theatrics during the show and communication skills, personality of anchor decides the TRP or so called popularity . More the advertisement, moe revenue and more refining of these telecasting techniques ! Take example of PMLN, PPP, PTI and few other, their entire ideology , thought, plans can be explained in two or maximum of a dozen programs ! But their reps are called for years and years and their wisdom is thrusted on viewers ! What they have to offer ? Very sorry state of affairs indeed . In these circumstances Muzammil, Parvez Hoodbhy, Taimur Rehman and few others provide a voice of sanity ! Hence I call him priceless . Detoxification of the minds from this viral attack of mass media is essential .
Well I felt so good to hear that Muzammil hailed from Vehari and why I felt that way, is that I hail from Burewala around 35km away from Vehari (district of course). I remained posted in Vehari for around 5-6 years but I travelled back to my home town in the evening. Listening to Muzammil, is Wonderful because even at young age he is much much ahead of So Called learned and Scholarly figures in the business.
One of the most awaited podcasts ~ So glad to see two intellectuals showing us how to debate with logic while being respectful towards each other. Just phenomenal. Kudos to both of you! 👍
I am not from Pakistan, but this person is one of the most Intellectual and logical I have seen from pakistan that I listen to very often. I hope more people of Pakistan will think like him and work on core issue of Pakistan🇵🇰. Greetings from 🇮🇳.
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے، لفاظی اور چرب زبانی کرنے والے اس بہروپئیے ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
I believe Muzammil is a ray of new hope for the pakistani Left Just hoping our braindead mullahs dont go after his life like they always do whenever they find someone like him standing up to them
I believe Muzammil is a ray of new hope for the pakistani Left Just hoping our braindead mullahs dont go after his life like they always do whenever they find someone like him standing up to them
Syed Muzammil (the guest of this podcast) has helped me tremendously in u/s philosophy, politics, philanthropy and above all having the strength to face the music and not run from harsh realities and one of the prime learnings for me was to gain strength, power above all else before deep diving into personal pursuits of voicing and asserting yourself - so grateful to this gem of a political and social scientist -
The right is rising in the west and east because of a rediscovery of the reality of islam. Because you guys are unable to recognize it for what it is - you will forever be wondering. For everyone else this ideology is the worst thing in the world since the guy with the chaplin moustache who liked putting people into brick kilns You will keep wondering why people don't like you, when the rest of the world is busy figuring out how to solve this problem without resorting to the same moral standard that muslims have resorted to throughout history. I could argue for any other religion to have good parts but not yours!
Please learn the meaning of what Social Scientist is. Does Muzmil have the requisite qualifications of a Social Scientist? Has he worked in that field? If the answer is no, find a real Social Scientist to learn from. At best he is a polemicist; in his particular case an exponent of a damaging form critical thinking that casts a cynical negativity on anything that he disagrees with, blinding him to even positive truths. Also how is someone who speaks against altruism and for individualism inspiring you to be philanthropic?
@@upscaspirant1820 I fail to see how a person who is so full of contempt towards those he disagrees with (e.g. calling people low IQ or mentally ill) can inspire any form of altruism that does not forward his own personal cause.
As an Australian whose parents immigrated from Pakistan 40 years ago, I never knew there would come a day where a Pakistani intellectual would be teaching me this much wisdom and knowledge. There is still hope left for the country. Great convo!
Loved the podcast. Muzammil Shah is always a pleasure to listen to; very rational, critical, and logical. I always get to learn something new from him.
From a resident of Bangalore, India. Every talk, every chat, every video of Syed Muzammil Shah is gripping, captivating, scintillating, exhilarating, thought provoking, so much of knowledge sharing by him. Every video of his on any platform with anyone is absolutely mind boggling. He is such a rational thinker, so terrifyingly outspoken. So awesomely well read. I search for his videos on UA-cam by his name everyday and watch atleast one everyday, regardless of the platform, including his own UA-cam channel which he runs on his own name. He simply is a spectacular genius of Pakistan. If he has 10,000 videos on UA-cam, I intend to watch all, one by one, each one.😊😊😊
Didn’t he appear out of his wits answering questions? He started speaking in circular arguments every time he was asked questions on his thoughts on the Right and the Left. This guy is, as we say in India in Hindu “Kuan ka maindak” or a frog of the well. He sees everything through Pakistani lens.
SMS is one of the few anti-IK media persons whose dislike of IK is totally independent of personal gain/ loss and based on sheer rationality and an anti-conservative intellectual approach. Despite being a believer in "IK hope", I respect him a lot for his true liberal mindset. I shall start following him, now; Thanks tbt; for introducing me to one of the best young minds in Pakistan.
He is demotivating people. Ik is giving hope to over 220 million people and saying u r a gr8 nation but what SMS is doing? Really disappointed by Muzammil Shah..
Just amazing! ❤️ This was the best talk I have heard from Syed Muzammil, not his lives or other videos. This is the masterpiece, he doesn't talk about solutions; do this or don't do this... His main point is a philosophical change or in easy words he wants the individual to think, that's it! Solutions will come in way. Salute to you Syed Muzammil!
Meri nazar me Muzzamil Shah sahab sirf Pakistani quom or awaam me burai dikhatay hain koi or is maslay ko haal k liye kehte hain k inqalaab ajae acha bhai inqelaab aagya or us k bd phr se wohi ruling hm pr musalaat ho gae jo abhi hai Jese French revolution me hua tha toh phr kiya dosra..? Bhai ap is democratic amaal pe yaqeen karain hm halkay halkay logon filter kr k ek achi kayadaat bna lain ge.
@@chotadinosaur8277 that’s because he is a Pakistani and loves his country and his people and want their betterment. He wasn’t trying to appease you or make you happy but he was trying to make you think and introspect. If you want false praise this channel and his talks are not for you.
Syed Muzammil shah has revolutionary and enlightened ideas that I feel are inevitable and current need of time to bring change in Pakistan. On the other side, Muzammil Hassan's opinions depict that he wished for transformation by continuing with the existing system and his views are reformist in nature. I sense we need a grand transition in our political system to get the desired result. One most prominent reform is to place the power and mandate in one place because I feel it is the biggest hindrance to the development of Pakistan.
Absolute gold!! In a sea of mediocrity, Syed Muzammil Shah is some pearl. The way he articulates his thoughts with such clarity is commendable! Good on you Muzamil for bringing him on the podcast. It is great seeing two young fellows discussing in such civilised manner. More power to you! Regards, A big fan of TBT (from the most isolated capital city in the world, Perth)
Aray waaah!!! Today I just watched Syed Muzammil Shah's UA-cam channel and I truly impressed to hear his daring, purposeful and critical analysis on different untouched topics for the very first time, and now I'm going to watch him on Muzamil's Podcast. This guy is amazing & has balls to talk about sensitive topics with an unbiased and realistic approach.
1:27:00 The conversation climax can be seen here Muzammil Shah your narratives are eye opening and i am more surprised to see how calmly and boldly you stand with your ideology hats off to you brother ! keep fighting the good fight
Talking about and criticizing the darkness of the Society is sympathy with suffering humanity not pessimism. Intelligence plus pure heart Syed Muzammil Shah ❤️
I don't think so , because though I don't propose the state to be the monopoly on religious academia. . . Same shouldn't be for a privately funded organization or a non state actor . . . It is a core instrument to change regimes during cold war
Actually he wasn't able to answer what tbt guy was asking, all he said was Ayub did this Zia did this. Yes we all agree Zia brought that extreme religious perspective and fed it to masses through Madrissas. Wouldn't mainstreaming the Madrissas and making that intellectual community read and teach the religion solve that issue? If you think we shouldn't bring the intellectual brains of the society, which actually is predominantly religious community, in teaching the religion or atleast doing some sort research in this then wouldn't we be giving space to brain dead molvis to ruin this for our coming generation and allow them to make more TLP like extremist goons? Exactly what Khan been trying to say? This podcast has been great but he failed miserably to defend his bias against single national curriculum.
@@muhammadazhar308 Arn't you contradicting yourself? Are you not agreeing that in Ayub and Zia time the state took responsibility of disseminate the religion and it turned out horrible? How exactly doing the same thing and mainstreaming would be better? What intellectual community you are talking about? Madrissas? But didn't you confirm that Madrissas did more harm? People choose Madrissa because they don't have money to go to better schools. So it's not about mainstreaming the Madrissas but the other way round. We instead need modern education. You wrote about TLP that's precisely what Madrissas did, how on earth you would correct it by going back to it? And please read more about how SNC was executed, there were so many violations, here are a few: - 18th amendment don't even allow Federal to dictate or push SNC down the throat of masses. So first they should kill 18th amendment. For PTI this is just a show, to fool people. If they are really sincere, go ahead and kill 18th amendment. - Article 22, everyone has a right to study their own religion. No educational institute can push a religion down ones throat that they don't follow. - In SNC, even in English and Urdu books they have added chapters on Islamic education. This is a complete violation. - Mullah were invited to even regulate Biology books. The same brain-dead molvis were handed charge to ruin science as well.
@@alihaider5190 State's responsibility is to protect people. If a privately funded organization is within legal bounds and is not forcing masses so be it. Let people decide what they want to hear. Why we always assume that people/masses are like sheep and brain-dead? Let people decide!
@@ahsanshafiqchaudhry dear we shall definitely let people decide but people sending their kids to madrasa are not actually making an informed choice. . The are only choosing to opt what they can. . . Also many of these institutes are not regulated. . . State has a job to regulate all institutes. . . Leaving religion in the hands of free market will exploit the poor . . . It doesn't matter what they feel about it. . .
What a beautiful debate. First time ever in history of TBT, a guest has ever made Muzzamil kinda speechless (especially over his political beliefs) supported by logic and rationale.
I must commend Muzammil's (the Host) ability to question in such a way that he made Muzammil ( the Guest) to find defense for his arguments. This is the kind of debate I love to see. I used to think the host was not that well versed, but he has changed my mind with this podcast. Love your approach bro. The first time I have seen Muzammil (the Guest) falter in a conversation. That's how it should be, challenging conversations & debates.
The guy seemed flabergasted. He was using words like extrapolated and had his biases fixed till the guest systematically broke him done. The host seemed like a privelleged guy who had no Real Argument.
We need more people like syed muzammil in the media honestly I learned too much from this debate. Specially in the last when he talk about Pashton and baloch❤
Such a thought provoking debate, and i am already a huge fan of Syed Muzammil Hussain, and now i must say I like him more than ever. And I agree with him 100% what he has said.
I’m definitely a fan of this man I have changed my view of the world since I started watching him I started reading philosophy Thanks Syed Muzamil Shah
That’s exactly what is wrong with this guy. He knew he has to get power before he can bring in “reforms” but he said Imran Khan just wanted power for power sake. Arey bhai, Imran wanted Power to change the system and he thought being the Prime Minister of Pakistan will give him that power. But he realised that Military establishment can’t be shook and he even accepted it publicly. And now he is saying he will again run for the power with a bigger support so that possibly he has finally have enough power to make Military bend knees to the Nation. What’s wrong with that? Muzammil is like Indian far left liberal which is a good thing for Pakistani politics but his ideas only sound good, when they do, in Pakistani context. His philosophy isn’t universally applicable.
So I was not listening to this one again because Syed Muzammil Shah, his content is not my cup of tea and I think for several reasons I have many disagreements with him. But I still watched it, complete till the end. Because it captivated me after sometime. I see where he is coming from, I understand why he is giving such opinions, where he got these thoughts from and being logical with everything. Now I still have my disagreements with him and I think they will remain there. My most major disagreement is with the rigidity of his opinion's nature. With such negativity and rigidness, like he said all 8 billion people are different, how with such rigidity you expect them to move forward together. Pakistan specially in such times don't need this negativity, but I appreciate his rationale and intention to be logical. I congratulate the host and guest both on conducting such a beautiful debate, Enjoyed it, learned from it.
Muzzammil, the interviewer, is speechless. Bravo Muzammil, the guest. Religion should be taught at home. The host kept saying religion won’t be taught to children of the rich, no, it would be, at home. Schools need to teach Critical thinking.
At what point was he speechless actually? The points he raised for economy or when he said leaving the religion in the hands of dumb molvis could be disastrous?
Meri nazar me Muzzamil Shah sahab sirf Pakistani quom or awaam me burai dikhatay hain koi or is maslay ko haal k liye kehte hain k inqalaab ajae acha bhai inqelaab aagya or us k bd phr se wohi ruling hm pr musalaat ho gae jo abhi hai Jese French revolution me hua tha toh phr kiya dosra..? Bhai ap is democratic amaal pe yaqeen karain hm halkay halkay logon filter kr k ek achi kayadaat bna lain ge...
Beautifully articulated, how Muzammil (host) rationally challenged the ideology and scratched the surface to get the reasons, AMAZING. I think regardless of one's point of view, this is the sort of dialogue we need to improve as individuals as well as a Nation. Hats off!!
Muzzamil Hassan, you did a great job to counter him on some of the points. I watched his podcast with Ganji swag and he was just saying yes and Ok to each of his point. Apprecited! ❤
Pakistan needs people like Syed Muzammil Shah in mainstream. This guy clearly knows what he's talking about and look how rationale he is. If only politicians were like him. How do you expect intellectuals, scientists to believe in any religion is a wonder to me. How can one study and see the proof of evolution and how universe came to existence and still be religious? I haven't seen anyone who has read Sagan and is still religious.
Meri nazar me Muzzamil Shah sahab sirf Pakistani quom or awaam me burai dikhatay hain koi or is maslay ko haal k liye kehte hain k inqalaab ajae acha bhai inqelaab aagya or us k bd phr se wohi ruling hm pr musalaat ho gae jo abhi hai Jese French revolution me hua tha toh phr kiya dosra..? Bhai ap is democratic amaal pe yaqeen karain hm halkay halkay logon filter kr k ek achi kayadaat bna lain ge...
Very unbiased opinion he has on politics and history. We need more people like him. He also needs to start a history channel in which he can define history too. Overall most amazing podcast of the time and the most unbiased person.
Hey there Pakistani People! Just wanted to say as an Indian, this guy Muzammil Shah is gem of a guy you got there, reminds me of J. Sai Deepak( Supreme court lawyer) here in India. Would be lovely to witness a discourse between them. What eloquent Speaker! Bahut Aala!
Seriously how can you compare JSD with any one he's beyond comparison a true gold of india. Muzzamil's whole idea revolves around western thoughts and individualism whereas JSD's areas are mostly indic and sanatani it's not imported from West that's why JSD is great.
I was curious about your guest Muzammil Shah ever since I herd his name mentioned on a couple of other channels including by Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza. Your conversation clarified a lot for me about his way of thinking. Please accept my gratitude for having this conversation!
Finally the thoughts of liberal person towards this society, Muzammil shah shows how thinking critical thinking can improve your perspective towards whats happening around the world and how you see things.
Meri nazar me Muzzamil Shah sahab sirf Pakistani quom or awaam me burai dikhatay hain koi or is maslay ko haal k liye kehte hain k inqalaab ajae acha bhai inqelaab aagya or us k bd phr se wohi ruling hm pr musalaat ho gae jo abhi hai Jese French revolution me hua tha toh phr kiya dosra..? Bhai ap is democratic amaal pe yaqeen karain hm halkay halkay logon filter kr k ek achi kayadaat bna lain ge...
Feeling so politically illiterate, I literally take notes on guest muzamil's points. There's a shift, now instead of watching Netflix I watch these podcasts to understand thought behind thing happening around us. I can't agree more to his last point that we need philosophical enlightenment Thank you for this informative discussion.
I have felt a similar shift. Because of my routine I'd never find time to do research or understand stuff esp politics. And so i never formed an opinion on Pakistani politics and i always stayed impartial. But now i understand how to think, and i feel equipped. I have definitely replaced Netflix with such podcasts. Definitely might rewatch
Really appreciate that you invited Sir Syed Muzamil Shah who is such a clear and sound voice about most issues particularly about periphery areas of Pakistan and women equality or any oppressed community of Pakistan. We urge you that kindly invite him once in a month so that all the privilege people of Pakistan have some idea about the issue of oppressed community of Pakistan as Ur show has been watched by most privileged community of Pakistan.
Interesting to see two guys representing two factions of the society, the host Muzamil is from the mainstream class that ideology of binary; religion oriented focusing on good and bad has produced and the guest Muzammil is the respondent to such ideologies. Later's views are rare and it is encouraging to see them coming out at such forums which celebrate IK and clueless youth (I hope wasn't harsh). My appreciation for Political theory grows to see such guests.
that's your bias bro!! in his pashtoon topic he diverted the topic from secularism to pashton this and didn't provide with any solution of what muzammil hassan asked. plus he is the host and if guest is diverting the topic but passionately then host had to respect it anyway.
You can keep your microphones at 45 degree angle instead of right in front of yourselves. These are condenser mics as far as I can see and can still capture good sound from a little distance, unlike the dynamic mics. Your face is blocked by the mics…and the mics are also picking unwanted clicking sounds inside the mouths….as for the conversation, I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work.
This is clearly one of the most amazing podcast that I have listened to on TBT. Rationalisation of intellects is one of the most important things that Pakistan needs.
Bhai he(Muzammil the guest) has out classed you in every argument ..you can not counter someone who se well read and has such amazing clarity of thoughts ...
This is easily amongst your best discussions. I only watched the second half, but looking forward to watching the rest. Agreement or disagreement is very much relative to personal exposure, so I will let others delve into those answers. It is a rarity to come across an intellectual discussion amongst Pakistanis that solely relies on the strength of your arguments, whilst presenting solid information. Well done, both of you.
Muzammil (the podcaster).. you didn’t come across well in the ThePak experience podcast (as someone who had no previous knowledge about you) but I have to say, listening to your podcast, you’re a really good interviewer. Some amazing questions. And you didn’t interrupt with untimely jokes.
Thank you Muzamil!!!..for calling him up. He does not get the fame, the sub's, the recognition...but he's one in millions. As he told that he went to school in Lahore, the kids there have a liberal view, they don't get the people like Muzammil who have gone through the bumpy road. It's a 100 times true. He's right when he said you as a Islamabadi, getting privileges not prevalent to the whole Pakistan and him(which is most of us) have gone through which you guys have not.
Un-learning the dogma we've grown to believe and to re-learn the past is a painful journey...but the fact that we're talking about it is awesome. Thank you for a wonderful podcast! Hassan did a great job in posing the centrist views that a lot of "politically silent" Pakistanis hold but Shah's poignant replies were amazing especially the rebuttal that the hegemony of the state over religion is simply wrong and it is an injustice to religion itself! Being a Muslim does not mean to jump your interpretation down someone else's throat. The Prophet SAW is the only personality who we cannot have a difference of opinion with but can with anyone else...hence the space for interpretation was left open by his own Sunnah. Perhaps if we humanize the Prophet SAW and see that his actual mission was just to give Allah's message and tell humanity that there is indeed a life after this one, maybe then we can understand that politics has no religion, it is simply a human necessity that has evolved over the centuries from monarchies to democracy in order to provide order to the masses who would otherwise kill each other.
Was good to listen to both Muzammils - I felt the host M made some very valid points and challenged the guest M validly too. The right way to have a discourse! Pleasure to watch.
What he said about pashtun is very true. I used to be a patriotic pashtun who was very patriotic towards Pakistan but when they picked up my innocent uncle and shot him in his house, I changed. Now I'm a loy Afghanistan supporter.
sensible debate? Muzammil Zaidi at th end got tired of rattu tota, who was quoting statements from books of ' Westerners' in every other sentence, and ended the program.. lol
@@freeworld.7 So what have you taken out of this ' sensible' detabte? please shed some light... I hope you won't hide behind ' his quality' of quoting few books of authors who have nothing to do with our lands, yet he tries to apply them in our contexts (extremely naive and silly that is in the first place), please come up with solid points that how in your view he was/is sensible and this was some 'sensible' debate... 😀
@@muzammilkhan8441 what's the ultimate goal in for an Islamic khilafah? Wars (for power) and loads is sex londian and even when you die, a celestial chakla (jannat). How dare you try to take the higher moral ground straw manning my argument. If you don't want to take anything from the "white man", have the same energy and not take it from the Bedouin Arab cult leader either.
@@muzammilkhan8441 I've caricatured religion and I'm saying things off of some sort of interpretation? Do you care to explain where Islam prohibited slavery as it prohibited alcohol and interest? How many slaves did your prophet have? Who was Mariya Kibtiya? Your one true God is simply an assertion, no different than all the other claims in the world, which you have zero proof of. You're a muslim just because you were born one, nothing else.
@@muzammilkhan8441 well I was a muslim and a fan oh Hijab types before I left Islam, I'm a step ahead of you and if you keep on with you research, you'll be there soon. Stop using the time-bound argument for slavery or stop claiming Islam is timeless.
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I have been following Syed Muzammil Shah from a very long time. Clearly the most transparent, logical person i have come across this decade. From Women rights to pashteen movement. From politics to religious argument.This Man is legend in every aspect!!
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You need some class of logic from any contemporary philosopher.... 😇Syed Muzammil is an lier who brain wash people.....
@@sayedtalhahassan6213 i am entitled to my opinion. :)
@@sayyedalii be aware he is kind of person who influenced by cristopher hethence and all other atheist philosopher and he try to abode them in indian/ Pakistani society.... Be entitled with your words...
This guy Muzammil is GOLD for Pakistan. I enjoy each and every shows he goes and his vlogs❤
Met muzammil yesterday at Bohemia's concert in Pakfest22 Lahore. I tapped him and greeted him, told him that I'm literally binge watching his videos and he thanked me for following plus he answered all my Qs even though he was with his friends and he asked me about my university and told me that he went to the same university (Forman Christian College University Lahore).
He was very humble, very lovely and warm personality. Indeed a great intellect and human being.
If only the world was blessed with people like him and you🙏
@@kanaka7552 Thank you
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
Syed Muzamil shah is a very strong, pationate, and psychological man , he known how to deliver the truth among audiences.
I started to listen him since 2019 , he totally changed my perspective and yet I accepted the all facts and stand with truth
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
I commend the host for posing these specific questions particularly in the second half of the conversation. I've wanted to hear the guest's take on such particular things. Impressive young men. Hope our future generations are taking notes.
I am jealous of this person, how much knowledge he consume 🙏
What a man. So blunt and straight forward. Loved to hear his thoughts.
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏۔
Syed Muzammil shah ( guest) is a giant at this young age, he will probably become a phenomenon in a near future.. Intellectual like him is a need of time, his thoughts makes you realise that how less I know..Next level Guru hai..his smile is killer but his serious poker face has a different level depth..
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What a healthy debate that was !! This was so worth to watch .. dear muzamil Hassan a kindly request to you that we need more podcast with Syed muzamil...
I swear now this one and half hour was so worth and most valuable to me than my entire schooling and college education..
We need more people like you SMO 💖👑
Exactly bro hope everyone see this
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
1:28:00 this monologue of 4 minutes sent chills down my spine, what a man spoke the truth so ruthlessly that it shook the podcaster. There are Pakistanis who know and understand what has actually happened in the country. Kudos man.
exactly he gave voice to all the voiceless of pakistan
Yeah by diverting the question on why Muzammil (guest) wants to secularise the education system. Look what he answers in that 4 minute monologue, some history of how state sponsored Salafism, Pashtoon etc but no answer on secularising the education.
@@sadamhussainshaikh5392 Secularising the education system is a bad thing? The lies in your books in the name of Islam, Hindu hatred, wrong history (I'm not making this up, your people say it out loud every single day) has lead you guys to be a highly radicalised society and ik you'll come up with what-aboutery and I'll accept it but there's a reason why Pakistan has become a failed state
@@sahasss7100 you give me your argument on why secularising the education is good for Pakistan? If there are problematic texts, they should reviewed and removed. You should be concerned about Muzammil’s (Guest) whataboutery, as he cleverly diverted the second last question.
@@sadamhussainshaikh5392 brother you're right. I want you to post this in the main comment section and why not tag the Guest.👍🏼
Strongly agree with each & everyhting Syed Muzammil Shah said, He is the most Rational person & he always talk with facts, very knowledgable podcast, Tysm for calling him, He's truly a Gem❤️
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
I'm following Syed muzammil shah from the last 3 years, I have seen his all videos he made me liberal, critical thinker, jaise Muzammil apne ghr k kise debates m participate nh krte hum bhi nh krte or agr galti se kr bhi lain tou ghr waly kehte hain pagal hogya hai ya iski baataon ko ignore kro :) big fan Muzammil Sir
That's what I call a podcast from where you can learn and get knowledge. Not bashing on someone, just pure critical analysis.
The first person who fully left Syed muzammil zaidi speechless.
He is one of the finest critical thinker.
I have been watching this guest guy for a long time and one thing i would say he is more attracted towards big personalities rather than being towards ideas .In his every talk you will listen many philosophers quote to make his argument more meaningful.
You are the first person in this chat section who identified the limitation of this person.
Indians also watch your podcast and its always amaze me how Muzammil the philosopher speaks he is like a book full of knowledge.
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
I am an Indian and watch muzammil very keenly and regularly . He is a priceless asset for the youth of all developing societies which survive and progress on thinking and innovations . The day such intellectual debates stops in such societies and the political debates take their place, the decay starts ! All the so called established anchors of Pakistan/ India call representatives of different political parties, engage them in cockfighting , watch them and show ends . Some theatrics during the show and communication skills, personality of anchor decides the TRP or so called popularity . More the advertisement, moe revenue and more refining of these telecasting techniques ! Take example of PMLN, PPP, PTI and few other, their entire ideology , thought, plans can be explained in two or maximum of a dozen programs ! But their reps are called for years and years and their wisdom is thrusted on viewers ! What they have to offer ? Very sorry state of affairs indeed .
In these circumstances Muzammil, Parvez Hoodbhy, Taimur Rehman and few others provide a voice of sanity ! Hence I call him priceless . Detoxification of the minds from this viral attack of mass media is essential .
Well I felt so good to hear that Muzammil hailed from Vehari and why I felt that way, is that I hail from Burewala around 35km away from Vehari (district of course). I remained posted in Vehari for around 5-6 years but I travelled back to my home town in the evening. Listening to Muzammil, is Wonderful because even at young age he is much much ahead of So Called learned and Scholarly figures in the business.
Most thought provoking and intellectual debate in TBT history.👏
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
Syed Muzammil Shah
Speaking facts which are not for everyone to digest, even the host couldn't handle him at times
The host couldn't help exposing his crush for Niazi 😂
One of the most awaited podcasts ~ So glad to see two intellectuals showing us how to debate with logic while being respectful towards each other. Just phenomenal. Kudos to both of you! 👍
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
Yeah the new launched product of zardari ,,, 😅
I am not from Pakistan, but this person is one of the most Intellectual and logical I have seen from pakistan that I listen to very often.
I hope more people of Pakistan will think like him and work on core issue of Pakistan🇵🇰.
Greetings from 🇮🇳.
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے، لفاظی اور چرب زبانی کرنے والے اس بہروپئیے ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
chal nikal hindu gandu
I wish we have 1000 people like Syed Muzamil Shah, Faisal Warraich and Taimur Rehman 😍😍😍😍😍 if we get that I don't care how rich or poor we are 😇
I believe Muzammil is a ray of new hope for the pakistani Left
Just hoping our braindead mullahs dont go after his life like they always do whenever they find someone like him standing up to them
I believe Muzammil is a ray of new hope for the pakistani Left
Just hoping our braindead mullahs dont go after his life like they always do whenever they find someone like him standing up to them
Syed Muzammil (the guest of this podcast) has helped me tremendously in u/s philosophy, politics, philanthropy and above all having the strength to face the music and not run from harsh realities and one of the prime learnings for me was to gain strength, power above all else before deep diving into personal pursuits of voicing and asserting yourself - so grateful to this gem of a political and social scientist -
The right is rising in the west and east because of a rediscovery of the reality of islam. Because you guys are unable to recognize it for what it is - you will forever be wondering. For everyone else this ideology is the worst thing in the world since the guy with the chaplin moustache who liked putting people into brick kilns
You will keep wondering why people don't like you, when the rest of the world is busy figuring out how to solve this problem without resorting to the same moral standard that muslims have resorted to throughout history.
I could argue for any other religion to have good parts but not yours!
Please learn the meaning of what Social Scientist is. Does Muzmil have the requisite qualifications of a Social Scientist? Has he worked in that field? If the answer is no, find a real Social Scientist to learn from. At best he is a polemicist; in his particular case an exponent of a damaging form critical thinking that casts a cynical negativity on anything that he disagrees with, blinding him to even positive truths.
Also how is someone who speaks against altruism and for individualism inspiring you to be philanthropic?
@@prowest6715 because "altruism is also sub-part of individualism" think on this brother and come
@@upscaspirant1820 I fail to see how a person who is so full of contempt towards those he disagrees with (e.g. calling people low IQ or mentally ill) can inspire any form of altruism that does not forward his own personal cause.
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As an Australian whose parents immigrated from Pakistan 40 years ago, I never knew there would come a day where a Pakistani intellectual would be teaching me this much wisdom and knowledge.
There is still hope left for the country.
Great convo!
Loved the podcast. Muzammil Shah is always a pleasure to listen to; very rational, critical, and logical. I always get to learn something new from him.
Muzammil (the host) doing a beautiful job, like it how he impersonalized questions and make guests very comfortable.
From a resident of Bangalore, India. Every talk, every chat, every video of Syed Muzammil Shah is gripping, captivating, scintillating, exhilarating, thought provoking, so much of knowledge sharing by him. Every video of his on any platform with anyone is absolutely mind boggling. He is such a rational thinker, so terrifyingly outspoken. So awesomely well read. I search for his videos on UA-cam by his name everyday and watch atleast one everyday, regardless of the platform, including his own UA-cam channel which he runs on his own name. He simply is a spectacular genius of Pakistan. If he has 10,000 videos on UA-cam, I intend to watch all, one by one, each one.😊😊😊
Indeed he is very, very compelling both in terms of perspicacity and courage.
Didn’t he appear out of his wits answering questions? He started speaking in circular arguments every time he was asked questions on his thoughts on the Right and the Left. This guy is, as we say in India in Hindu “Kuan ka maindak” or a frog of the well. He sees everything through Pakistani lens.
SMS is one of the few anti-IK media persons whose dislike of IK is totally independent of personal gain/ loss and based on sheer rationality and an anti-conservative intellectual approach. Despite being a believer in "IK hope", I respect him a lot for his true liberal mindset. I shall start following him, now; Thanks tbt; for introducing me to one of the best young minds in Pakistan.
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
Exactly! I feel the same way.
He is demotivating people.
Ik is giving hope to over 220 million people and saying u r a gr8 nation but what SMS is doing?
Really disappointed by Muzammil Shah..
Just amazing! ❤️
This was the best talk I have heard from Syed Muzammil, not his lives or other videos. This is the masterpiece, he doesn't talk about solutions; do this or don't do this... His main point is a philosophical change or in easy words he wants the individual to think, that's it! Solutions will come in way.
Salute to you Syed Muzammil!
Meri nazar me Muzzamil Shah sahab sirf Pakistani quom or awaam me burai dikhatay hain koi or is maslay ko haal k liye kehte hain k inqalaab ajae acha bhai inqelaab aagya or us k bd phr se wohi ruling hm pr musalaat ho gae jo abhi hai Jese French revolution me hua tha toh phr kiya dosra..? Bhai ap is democratic amaal pe yaqeen karain hm halkay halkay logon filter kr k ek achi kayadaat bna lain ge.
@@chotadinosaur8277 Bhai copy paste kyu kr ra har jaga
@@chotadinosaur8277 that’s because he is a Pakistani and loves his country and his people and want their betterment. He wasn’t trying to appease you or make you happy but he was trying to make you think and introspect. If you want false praise this channel and his talks are not for you.
@@kanaka7552 Toh koi logic ki toh bt kare muzammil solution toh ese deta hai jese South Indian film bta rha ho.Jis ka na koi sir hai na pair..
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Syed Muzammil shah has revolutionary and enlightened ideas that I feel are inevitable and current need of time to bring change in Pakistan. On the other side, Muzammil Hassan's opinions depict that he wished for transformation by continuing with the existing system and his views are reformist in nature. I sense we need a grand transition in our political system to get the desired result. One most prominent reform is to place the power and mandate in one place because I feel it is the biggest hindrance to the development of Pakistan.
Absolute gold!! In a sea of mediocrity, Syed Muzammil Shah is some pearl. The way he articulates his thoughts with such clarity is commendable! Good on you Muzamil for bringing him on the podcast. It is great seeing two young fellows discussing in such civilised manner. More power to you!
Regards,
A big fan of TBT (from the most isolated capital city in the world, Perth)
Aray waaah!!! Today I just watched Syed Muzammil Shah's UA-cam channel and I truly impressed to hear his daring, purposeful and critical analysis on different untouched topics for the very first time, and now I'm going to watch him on Muzamil's Podcast. This guy is amazing & has balls to talk about sensitive topics with an unbiased and realistic approach.
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
Syed Muzamil is a self-directed learner, how simply and honestly discussing his life... Very inspiring
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
1:27:00 The conversation climax can be seen here Muzammil Shah your narratives are eye opening and i am more surprised to see how calmly and boldly you stand with your ideology hats off to you brother ! keep fighting the good fight
Glad you invite this person on podcast . He was never afraid to express his political opinion.
Talking about and criticizing the darkness of the Society is sympathy with suffering humanity not pessimism.
Intelligence plus pure heart
Syed Muzammil Shah ❤️
1:28:00 to 1:33:36 Ripped apart all TBT narrative :D Good Job!
I don't think so , because though I don't propose the state to be the monopoly on religious academia. . . Same shouldn't be for a privately funded organization or a non state actor . . . It is a core instrument to change regimes during cold war
Actually he wasn't able to answer what tbt guy was asking, all he said was Ayub did this Zia did this. Yes we all agree Zia brought that extreme religious perspective and fed it to masses through Madrissas. Wouldn't mainstreaming the Madrissas and making that intellectual community read and teach the religion solve that issue? If you think we shouldn't bring the intellectual brains of the society, which actually is predominantly religious community, in teaching the religion or atleast doing some sort research in this then wouldn't we be giving space to brain dead molvis to ruin this for our coming generation and allow them to make more TLP like extremist goons? Exactly what Khan been trying to say?
This podcast has been great but he failed miserably to defend his bias against single national curriculum.
@@muhammadazhar308 Arn't you contradicting yourself? Are you not agreeing that in Ayub and Zia time the state took responsibility of disseminate the religion and it turned out horrible? How exactly doing the same thing and mainstreaming would be better? What intellectual community you are talking about? Madrissas? But didn't you confirm that Madrissas did more harm?
People choose Madrissa because they don't have money to go to better schools. So it's not about mainstreaming the Madrissas but the other way round. We instead need modern education. You wrote about TLP that's precisely what Madrissas did, how on earth you would correct it by going back to it?
And please read more about how SNC was executed, there were so many violations, here are a few:
- 18th amendment don't even allow Federal to dictate or push SNC down the throat of masses. So first they should kill 18th amendment. For PTI this is just a show, to fool people. If they are really sincere, go ahead and kill 18th amendment.
- Article 22, everyone has a right to study their own religion. No educational institute can push a religion down ones throat that they don't follow.
- In SNC, even in English and Urdu books they have added chapters on Islamic education. This is a complete violation.
- Mullah were invited to even regulate Biology books. The same brain-dead molvis were handed charge to ruin science as well.
@@alihaider5190 State's responsibility is to protect people. If a privately funded organization is within legal bounds and is not forcing masses so be it. Let people decide what they want to hear. Why we always assume that people/masses are like sheep and brain-dead? Let people decide!
@@ahsanshafiqchaudhry dear we shall definitely let people decide but people sending their kids to madrasa are not actually making an informed choice. . The are only choosing to opt what they can. . . Also many of these institutes are not regulated. . . State has a job to regulate all institutes. . . Leaving religion in the hands of free market will exploit the poor . . . It doesn't matter what they feel about it. . .
What a beautiful debate. First time ever in history of TBT, a guest has ever made Muzzamil kinda speechless (especially over his political beliefs) supported by logic and rationale.
I must commend Muzammil's (the Host) ability to question in such a way that he made Muzammil ( the Guest) to find defense for his arguments. This is the kind of debate I love to see.
I used to think the host was not that well versed, but he has changed my mind with this podcast. Love your approach bro. The first time I have seen Muzammil (the Guest) falter in a conversation. That's how it should be, challenging conversations & debates.
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The guy seemed flabergasted. He was using words like extrapolated and had his biases fixed till the guest systematically broke him done. The host seemed like a privelleged guy who had no Real Argument.
I haven't seen someone as blunt and confident as him. Kudos to you Muzamil - The Guest!
We need more people like syed muzammil in the media honestly I learned too much from this debate. Specially in the last when he talk about Pashton and baloch❤
Such a thought provoking debate, and i am already a huge fan of Syed Muzammil Hussain, and now i must say I like him more than ever. And I agree with him 100% what he has said.
I’m definitely a fan of this man I have changed my view of the world since I started watching him I started reading philosophy Thanks Syed Muzamil Shah
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
Not a single pushtoon have a brain like these guys 😂😂😂😂😂😂 They are just interested in bachabazi and chars
Omg I'm feeling proud as I am also from Vehari. I've been listening him since 2020, what a man!
I am a big fan of Syed Muzammil Shah from India, Accidentally I found his channel at time of corona lockdown and now I am a rational person 😃
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
Not here for the truth not here to serve anyone just here for the power and survival. killed it 🤣 such brutal honesty
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
Mention the timing please.. mujhe lahza dekhna hai…
yes but to fight with powerful and to present POV
That’s exactly what is wrong with this guy. He knew he has to get power before he can bring in “reforms” but he said Imran Khan just wanted power for power sake. Arey bhai, Imran wanted Power to change the system and he thought being the Prime Minister of Pakistan will give him that power. But he realised that Military establishment can’t be shook and he even accepted it publicly. And now he is saying he will again run for the power with a bigger support so that possibly he has finally have enough power to make Military bend knees to the Nation. What’s wrong with that?
Muzammil is like Indian far left liberal which is a good thing for Pakistani politics but his ideas only sound good, when they do, in Pakistani context. His philosophy isn’t universally applicable.
So I was not listening to this one again because Syed Muzammil Shah, his content is not my cup of tea and I think for several reasons I have many disagreements with him. But I still watched it, complete till the end. Because it captivated me after sometime.
I see where he is coming from, I understand why he is giving such opinions, where he got these thoughts from and being logical with everything. Now I still have my disagreements with him and I think they will remain there. My most major disagreement is with the rigidity of his opinion's nature. With such negativity and rigidness, like he said all 8 billion people are different, how with such rigidity you expect them to move forward together.
Pakistan specially in such times don't need this negativity, but I appreciate his rationale and intention to be logical. I congratulate the host and guest both on conducting such a beautiful debate, Enjoyed it, learned from it.
Muzzammil, the interviewer, is speechless. Bravo Muzammil, the guest. Religion should be taught at home. The host kept saying religion won’t be taught to children of the rich, no, it would be, at home. Schools need to teach Critical thinking.
At what point was he speechless actually? The points he raised for economy or when he said leaving the religion in the hands of dumb molvis could be disastrous?
A pessimist vs an Optimist...an absolute perfect balance of rationality and emotions within an ambit of moral and respectful grounds 🖤
Meri nazar me Muzzamil Shah sahab sirf Pakistani quom or awaam me burai dikhatay hain koi or is maslay ko haal k liye kehte hain k inqalaab ajae acha bhai inqelaab aagya or us k bd phr se wohi ruling hm pr musalaat ho gae jo abhi hai Jese French revolution me hua tha toh phr kiya dosra..? Bhai ap is democratic amaal pe yaqeen karain hm halkay halkay logon filter kr k ek achi kayadaat bna lain ge...
@@chotadinosaur8277 so you ll copy and paste your comment under every top comment? Chill out dude
A realist vs oblivious optimist, you’re welcome
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
Syed muzammil shah is rational personality. Our society needs More intellectual minds like this.
I love him.
Correction here: 58:06 Its 2.1 to 3.8 Million People.
It is not 20 million people who died in Bengal Due to Famine.
Beautifully articulated, how Muzammil (host) rationally challenged the ideology and scratched the surface to get the reasons, AMAZING.
I think regardless of one's point of view, this is the sort of dialogue we need to improve as individuals as well as a Nation. Hats off!!
The only podcast I have waited for almost one and a half year....
Muzzamil Hassan, you did a great job to counter him on some of the points. I watched his podcast with Ganji swag and he was just saying yes and Ok to each of his point.
Apprecited! ❤
Best video i have ever watched....
Pakistan needs people like Syed Muzammil Shah in mainstream. This guy clearly knows what he's talking about and look how rationale he is. If only politicians were like him. How do you expect intellectuals, scientists to believe in any religion is a wonder to me. How can one study and see the proof of evolution and how universe came to existence and still be religious? I haven't seen anyone who has read Sagan and is still religious.
A discussion between intellectuals. Literally inspired by logic, rational, transparency and of course respect. Keep up the good work you both. 👍
Great to see Syed Muzammil Shah in this podcast !!!
He is indeed the much needed light in the dark times that we live in.
This is the first podcast I'm watching from this channel just because of Syed Muzammil Shah❤️🥀
Meri nazar me Muzzamil Shah sahab sirf Pakistani quom or awaam me burai dikhatay hain koi or is maslay ko haal k liye kehte hain k inqalaab ajae acha bhai inqelaab aagya or us k bd phr se wohi ruling hm pr musalaat ho gae jo abhi hai Jese French revolution me hua tha toh phr kiya dosra..? Bhai ap is democratic amaal pe yaqeen karain hm halkay halkay logon filter kr k ek achi kayadaat bna lain ge...
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مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
@@chotadinosaur8277Aap ka dimagh kaafi kamzor hai.
Very unbiased opinion he has on politics and history. We need more people like him. He also needs to start a history channel in which he can define history too. Overall most amazing podcast of the time and the most unbiased person.
It's always a treat to watch Muzammil brutally honest with what he believes!
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
Hey there Pakistani People! Just wanted to say as an Indian, this guy Muzammil Shah is gem of a guy you got there, reminds me of J. Sai Deepak( Supreme court lawyer) here in India. Would be lovely to witness a discourse between them. What eloquent Speaker! Bahut Aala!
Seriously how can you compare JSD with any one he's beyond comparison a true gold of india. Muzzamil's whole idea revolves around western thoughts and individualism whereas JSD's areas are mostly indic and sanatani it's not imported from West that's why JSD is great.
@@Samurai016 Hi! Ms. Granger. Well, I never said what you just said. Leave that talk about Ron? How’s he?
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
Thanks indeed, now I will try to get familiar with JSD .
@@Samurai016 you think JSD is beyond comparison.. and that actually is your limit to grasp..
It was a rollercoaster ride for intellectuals and worth watching each minute. Another podcast with Muzamil shah should be planned.
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مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
I was curious about your guest Muzammil Shah ever since I herd his name mentioned on a couple of other channels including by Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza. Your conversation clarified a lot for me about his way of thinking. Please accept my gratitude for having this conversation!
Finally the thoughts of liberal person towards this society, Muzammil shah shows how thinking critical thinking can improve your perspective towards whats happening around the world and how you see things.
Meri nazar me Muzzamil Shah sahab sirf Pakistani quom or awaam me burai dikhatay hain koi or is maslay ko haal k liye kehte hain k inqalaab ajae acha bhai inqelaab aagya or us k bd phr se wohi ruling hm pr musalaat ho gae jo abhi hai Jese French revolution me hua tha toh phr kiya dosra..? Bhai ap is democratic amaal pe yaqeen karain hm halkay halkay logon filter kr k ek achi kayadaat bna lain ge...
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
This is actually the best podcast i've seen so far of Syed Myzammil Shah
Feeling so politically illiterate, I literally take notes on guest muzamil's points. There's a shift, now instead of watching Netflix I watch these podcasts to understand thought behind thing happening around us. I can't agree more to his last point that we need philosophical enlightenment
Thank you for this informative discussion.
Hhaha same 😅
I have felt a similar shift. Because of my routine I'd never find time to do research or understand stuff esp politics. And so i never formed an opinion on Pakistani politics and i always stayed impartial. But now i understand how to think, and i feel equipped. I have definitely replaced Netflix with such podcasts.
Definitely might rewatch
It seems a good start for us. Thanks to them, they are providing us interesting insights
Really appreciate that you invited Sir Syed Muzamil Shah who is such a clear and sound voice about most issues particularly about periphery areas of Pakistan and women equality or any oppressed community of Pakistan. We urge you that kindly invite him once in a month so that all the privilege people of Pakistan have some idea about the issue of oppressed community of Pakistan as Ur show has been watched by most privileged community of Pakistan.
Syed Muzammil Shah Totally Nailed it❤️
Interesting to see two guys representing two factions of the society, the host Muzamil is from the mainstream class that ideology of binary; religion oriented focusing on good and bad has produced and the guest Muzammil is the respondent to such ideologies. Later's views are rare and it is encouraging to see them coming out at such forums which celebrate IK and clueless youth (I hope wasn't harsh).
My appreciation for Political theory grows to see such guests.
The interaction from 46:00 for about 10 mins in the video is pure gold!!
in the last 20 minutes SMS blows the host away....you can actually see smoke coming out of the video.Simply brilliant,
that's your bias bro!!
in his pashtoon topic he diverted the topic from secularism to pashton this and didn't provide with any solution of what muzammil hassan asked.
plus he is the host and if guest is diverting the topic but passionately then host had to respect it anyway.
You can keep your microphones at 45 degree angle instead of right in front of yourselves. These are condenser mics as far as I can see and can still capture good sound from a little distance, unlike the dynamic mics. Your face is blocked by the mics…and the mics are also picking unwanted clicking sounds inside the mouths….as for the conversation, I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work.
This is clearly one of the most amazing podcast that I have listened to on TBT.
Rationalisation of intellects is one of the most important things that Pakistan needs.
مہمان سید مُزمل شاہ ایک شیعہ ملحد ہے، یہ قُرآنی آیات اور احادیث کا مذاق اُڑاتا ہے اس ملحد سے اپنا ایمان بچائیں 🙏
That is a very cool way to have a healthy discussion. Kudos to both participants.
Bhai he(Muzammil the guest) has out classed you in every argument ..you can not counter someone who se well read and has such amazing clarity of thoughts ...
I was eagerly waiting for this podcast.. finally😍
The Dauntless Syed Muzammil Shah. Been waiting for him since the announcement. We need more of him and more people like him.
credit to youtube podcasters for doing a healthy debate without much BS. Mainstream media should follow!!
Most straightforward and honest guy from Pakistan...admire him alot.
This is easily amongst your best discussions. I only watched the second half, but looking forward to watching the rest.
Agreement or disagreement is very much relative to personal exposure, so I will let others delve into those answers.
It is a rarity to come across an intellectual discussion amongst Pakistanis that solely relies on the strength of your arguments, whilst presenting solid information. Well done, both of you.
Muzammil (the podcaster).. you didn’t come across well in the ThePak experience podcast (as someone who had no previous knowledge about you) but I have to say, listening to your podcast, you’re a really good interviewer. Some amazing questions. And you didn’t interrupt with untimely jokes.
Cutting and pasting short videos that too without complete context is surely gonna look anyone look bad even if it is god's words.
Thank you Muzamil!!!..for calling him up. He does not get the fame, the sub's, the recognition...but he's one in millions.
As he told that he went to school in Lahore, the kids there have a liberal view, they don't get the people like Muzammil who have gone through the bumpy road. It's a 100 times true.
He's right when he said you as a Islamabadi, getting privileges not prevalent to the whole Pakistan and him(which is most of us) have gone through which you guys have not.
Un-learning the dogma we've grown to believe and to re-learn the past is a painful journey...but the fact that we're talking about it is awesome. Thank you for a wonderful podcast! Hassan did a great job in posing the centrist views that a lot of "politically silent" Pakistanis hold but Shah's poignant replies were amazing especially the rebuttal that the hegemony of the state over religion is simply wrong and it is an injustice to religion itself!
Being a Muslim does not mean to jump your interpretation down someone else's throat. The Prophet SAW is the only personality who we cannot have a difference of opinion with but can with anyone else...hence the space for interpretation was left open by his own Sunnah. Perhaps if we humanize the Prophet SAW and see that his actual mission was just to give Allah's message and tell humanity that there is indeed a life after this one, maybe then we can understand that politics has no religion, it is simply a human necessity that has evolved over the centuries from monarchies to democracy in order to provide order to the masses who would otherwise kill each other.
Was good to listen to both Muzammils - I felt the host M made some very valid points and challenged the guest M validly too. The right way to have a discourse! Pleasure to watch.
What he said about pashtun is very true. I used to be a patriotic pashtun who was very patriotic towards Pakistan but when they picked up my innocent uncle and shot him in his house, I changed. Now I'm a loy Afghanistan supporter.
Iam so sorry to hear about that, Can you please tell me why they did that?
@@harismansoor5733 There was no reason he just used to go to his office and one day they just did what they did
inshallah kpk will be the part of afghanistan soon
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Why did they pick your uncle?
@@user-Rayyan123 For no reason
Both of you spoke very well but I agree with 90% of what Syed Muzamil Shah said..
Pushtoons love terrorism 🤮🤢🤢
It always pleasure to listen to syed muzammil shah
By far the most sensible debate I have seen. Well done TBT. ❤
sensible debate? Muzammil Zaidi at th end got tired of rattu tota, who was quoting statements from books of ' Westerners' in every other sentence, and ended the program.. lol
If that’s what you wanted to take out of it.. 👍
@@freeworld.7 So what have you taken out of this ' sensible' detabte? please shed some light...
I hope you won't hide behind ' his quality' of quoting few books of authors who have nothing to do with our lands, yet he tries to apply them in our contexts (extremely naive and silly that is in the first place), please come up with solid points that how in your view he was/is sensible and this was some 'sensible' debate... 😀
Muzammil shah is too good for this youthya
Yet did not have answers when zaidi countered him on economy thing.
@G.M. you r ri8
Loved how authentic and brutally honest the guest was.
syed muzammil shah is real enlightened man no doubt about it. i m indian n i mean it.🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
😍😍😍😍😍
Absolutely amazing. THIS is what majority of our youth lacks...Basic ethics to have a healthy political discourse.
More power to both of you.
Here for Syed Muzammil Shah! Separate church and state, tired of the state blackmailing and oppressing us through religion.
@@muzammilkhan8441 what's the ultimate goal in for an Islamic khilafah? Wars (for power) and loads is sex londian and even when you die, a celestial chakla (jannat).
How dare you try to take the higher moral ground straw manning my argument. If you don't want to take anything from the "white man", have the same energy and not take it from the Bedouin Arab cult leader either.
@@muzammilkhan8441 I've caricatured religion and I'm saying things off of some sort of interpretation?
Do you care to explain where Islam prohibited slavery as it prohibited alcohol and interest?
How many slaves did your prophet have? Who was Mariya Kibtiya?
Your one true God is simply an assertion, no different than all the other claims in the world, which you have zero proof of.
You're a muslim just because you were born one, nothing else.
@@muzammilkhan8441 well I was a muslim and a fan oh Hijab types before I left Islam, I'm a step ahead of you and if you keep on with you research, you'll be there soon.
Stop using the time-bound argument for slavery or stop claiming Islam is timeless.
@@muzammilkhan8441mohamad hizab 🤣 u call him scholar
Brother it wouldn't be church, it's mosque in this case
Carry on Syed Muzammil, you doing great. May ALLAH bless you.
woww wowww such a classy and sensible podcast. host is way good in accepting things and guest is way logical. muzazmil² ♥️
Always a fan of Syed Muzammil Shah, I can’t see how anyone will disagree with him.
This what I'm waiting for long.Always yearn to listen you sir;a permanent devotee of your ideas, a devotee from Jaipur (Raj)
Slaam!
Pakistans' 2 most intellectual personalities carrying out a healthy discussion, must listen to this again and again.
first time watching Muzammil Hassan in a defending position against his guest. I'll call it the power of intellect.