Petrobond sand Vs Coal dust sand when pouring cast iron Part 1

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  • @olfoundryman8418
    @olfoundryman8418 5 років тому +26

    I nearly cried when you broke that lovely looking flywheel... Martin

    • @markfryer9880
      @markfryer9880 5 років тому

      You're not the only one Martin.

    • @JulianMakes
      @JulianMakes 5 років тому +1

      Ooh Martin I gave you a little shout out too in my “home foundry build part one” video, you guys are so awesome.

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +7

      Sacrificed in the name of casting improvement.

    • @olfoundryman8418
      @olfoundryman8418 5 років тому

      I understand, but it was still sad to see such a good useable casting get destroyed... Martin

    • @josiahhockenberry9846
      @josiahhockenberry9846 4 роки тому

      I was just about to say that. I would've donated real money to rent some kind of x-ray to see inside instead of witnessing such a tragedy.

  • @ari-mcbrown
    @ari-mcbrown Рік тому

    I love that vintage look of your video's but with modern editing techniques. Wasn't sure if I was looking at footage of the late 80's/ early 90's or something shot in 2019. Very educational, I like it.

  • @KravchenkoAudioPerth
    @KravchenkoAudioPerth 5 років тому +4

    Nice video. I always enjoy your forensics. Learning what happens when you make choices is the most valuable part of your videos. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
    Mark

    • @markfryer9880
      @markfryer9880 5 років тому

      Yes it is the forensic evidence based methodology that makes his videos unique

  • @BobbyIronsights
    @BobbyIronsights 5 років тому

    You're the best hobbyist metalcaster I've seen on youtube. Subscribed.

  • @clarkeeasterling3225
    @clarkeeasterling3225 5 років тому

    Thanks for the demonstration with petrobon.

  • @gwheyduke
    @gwheyduke 4 роки тому

    Excellent information on the flywheel gating and risers. Thanks for posting.

  • @PaulsGarage
    @PaulsGarage 5 років тому +4

    That's really interesting! I like the smooth surface finish on the petrobond, but I agree the coal dust sand looks nicer. Here I thought the petrobond couldn't handle iron temps. I get the same flames from bronze castings with the stuff.

    • @JCSalomon
      @JCSalomon 5 років тому

      IIRC, petrobond can indeed handle cast-iron temperatures. Once.
      I hope to be corrected by folks with practical experience, but I believe Cu alloys just burn the oil out of petrobond, and the whole sand (even the “burned” black bits) can be reused, though eventually you need to add more oil. In contrast, iron temperatures will actually damage the petroclay adjacent to the casting.

    • @JCSalomon
      @JCSalomon 5 років тому

      (Yes, that was a Maxim 11 reference: “Everything is air-droppable at least once.”)

    • @markfryer9880
      @markfryer9880 5 років тому +3

      Ever catch the video of an Airborne Exercise where the ' chutes' failed to open properly for a couple of Humvees.
      Airdroppable Only Once
      Roger That.

  • @JBFromOZ
    @JBFromOZ 5 років тому

    Gorgeous castings!

  • @vikassm365
    @vikassm365 5 років тому

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge! Learnt a lot, will be putting it to good use soon :)

  • @Gippetos
    @Gippetos 5 років тому

    Had a hunch that if I looked at your channel I might find something on this. Always good information, thank you.

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +1

      Sand does not last forever, after a long time there will be blowholes and washouts.

  • @merlinchampenois6754
    @merlinchampenois6754 5 років тому

    Very impressive ! Love watch your videos, such a good source of learning.
    Keep it up !

  • @FredMiller
    @FredMiller 5 років тому

    Congrats on 15K subscribers! I use Petrobond with aluminum with great success. No cast iron "yet"! Thanks for all your words of wisdom.. Fred Ontario, NY

  • @awldune
    @awldune 5 років тому

    Congrats on the milestone!

  • @hankbizzo5
    @hankbizzo5 5 років тому

    Like the raw texture look of the Petrobond.. Looks like a lot of old Iron pieces I have seen in the past.. Congrats on catching the interest of 15,000!!

  • @MyHeap
    @MyHeap 5 років тому

    Great demonstration Sir. I only hope to get to casting Iron some day!
    Joe

  • @tomayrscotland6890
    @tomayrscotland6890 4 роки тому

    Hi I have been watching your videos for some months now and learned a lot thank's Tom Copland Ayr Scotland. I am just building my furnace at the moment and I will have it ready for next week.

  • @tobhomott
    @tobhomott 5 років тому

    Cool experiment, great castings! Congrats on 15K.

  • @headstocktailstock
    @headstocktailstock 5 років тому

    Another usefull video Luckygen nice flywheel pattern & subsequent casting from it, coaldust has allways been used for iron castings in the foundries over here in the uk as you will know,I make patterns & cast name/house plaques in alloy & brass also miniature railway & traction engine name plates in brass & traction engine number plates in alloy,I sieve a coating of petrobond over the pattern then back up with Mansfield red [greensand] apart from getting a good finish petrobond is expensive,when I shake out I try not to mix the sands together,as you say it loses its bond I add a little "hybond 100"bentonite now and then,it's produced locally for the foundry industry. keep up the good work Merry Christmas I'm over in ozz at my daughters for Christmas taking in the great weather in W A .Regards Graham.

  • @Frank-bh3cm
    @Frank-bh3cm 5 років тому

    Congrats on the 15K subscribers and thanks for the video! :-)

  • @MindToMatter
    @MindToMatter 5 років тому

    Nice results, enjoyed the analysis. Better than most material engineers/scientists

  • @jayjay269
    @jayjay269 5 років тому

    Great videos, man! Throughly enjoy watching them! Do you have a video of your set up (your furnace, burner, blower, etc...) ?

  • @bostedtap8399
    @bostedtap8399 5 років тому

    Great Job, and great Job again. Well done on 15 K subscribers.
    Best regards from the UK, and seasons greetings, plus a great 2019..

  • @mrgreenswelding2853
    @mrgreenswelding2853 5 років тому

    Nice job!

  • @eleventeenmachine5991
    @eleventeenmachine5991 5 років тому

    Some day I'll have to try melting cast iron. The stuff that you make is amazing.

  • @JulianMakes
    @JulianMakes 5 років тому +1

    Congratulations on reaching 15,000 subscribers! I've only been a subscriber for about four months and i really like your scientific take on your results. I've learnt SO much from your vids, I've given you a little shout out on my "Home Foundry Build PART ONE Video" so maybe a couple of my portrait watching subscribers might come across to your superb channel. Have a great chrimbo from us in the UK. PS i liked the look of the coal dust one best, and that fly wheel was beautiful :)

  • @dougalexander7204
    @dougalexander7204 5 років тому

    Most best. Thank you...

  • @danielcrawford7315
    @danielcrawford7315 5 років тому

    Lots of good practical information in here. Great presentation and congratulations on 15k and counting!
    Are you or have you added nickel and copper to your castings to give it more strength and less brittle for certain items?

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +3

      I have added copper to cast iron but not nickel, also I have added nickel to bronze to strengthen bronze.

    • @danielcrawford7315
      @danielcrawford7315 5 років тому

      @@luckygen1001 kuul! I've read 3 to 5 % nickel and 1% copper mixed in makes a really tough and less brittle cast iron. Planning on using this mix to make the waist and bottom of a big anvil 5.5. Inch thick top plate cast to it then welded all around w nickel55 rods. Cheers and a blessed Christ Mass and seasons greetings sirSir, Crawford out

  • @pauls5745
    @pauls5745 3 роки тому

    idk, I always thought Petrobond was sort of ok for anything but if you specifically pour this metal or that, there are better choices

  • @wildernessshouter
    @wildernessshouter 5 років тому

    How could anyone dislike this video? This is artisan work, very interesting stuff.

  • @JeremyB8419
    @JeremyB8419 4 роки тому

    So on the third one, you just poured it into the fill hole and not at all into the risers? Was hard to tell

  • @ItzJay_XD
    @ItzJay_XD 2 місяці тому

    Hey mate another Aussie caster here just wondering where you got your metal casting frames

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  2 місяці тому

      If you mean my molding boxes I make them as I need them.

  • @DD-su5so
    @DD-su5so 5 років тому

    Congratulations!

  • @chrisbevan6390
    @chrisbevan6390 5 років тому

    that is a lovely little flywheel engine

  • @davidburlingame9336
    @davidburlingame9336 3 роки тому

    Oh man, I would like to see people's expressions when he broke that flywheel! Priceless! LMAO!

  • @andydelarue9344
    @andydelarue9344 5 років тому +1

    I am voting for coal dust. Thanks for filming

  • @pierremarcoux886
    @pierremarcoux886 5 років тому

    Hi, congratulation for your 15 K that i will be a forever member. Have a nice Christmas and good health for the next year. That's all we need.
    Very best regards

  • @ASoftaaja
    @ASoftaaja 3 місяці тому

    Do you have any experience with mould coatings? I have seen some factory videos and they use some kind of coatings on sand moulds. I am thinking of making my own coating by mixing sodium silicate and graphite and thinning it with water.

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  3 місяці тому

      I used them a long time ago to coat S.S. molds. and they work really well. So now I do not need them because I use coal dust with my green sand.

  • @ChirpysTinkerings
    @ChirpysTinkerings 5 років тому

    I think I like the rougher texture of the coal dust rather than the dull smooth texture of the petrobond. Cast iron castings have always had that rougher texture and it makes it look true to being cast iron, the smoother texture is usually for bronze imo, and just doesnt look right. I was about to yell at the screen when you cut into the flywheel and destroyed it...

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому

      Petrobond sand did not give a smooth surface all over so looks strange. Also I agree cast iron needs to have that rough texture to look like older castings. You need to sacrifice a casting now and then to produce better castings in the future.

  • @mccallumcra
    @mccallumcra 5 років тому

    Nice structure on that iron.

  • @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT
    @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 5 років тому

    Congratulations on the 15.000 subscribers! What a sin to break the beautiful flywheel, but it shows a perfect casting and, anyway, you can cast another when you want :-)
    Very interesting model steam engine. Did you design it yourself?

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +1

      I found a very simple line drawing at a website and then had to make all the drawings so the engine will run.

    • @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT
      @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 5 років тому

      @@luckygen1001 Thanks! You did a superb job! Beautiful and unusual engine. Possibly deserves a bit more of video time :-)

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +3

      You were the only person that commented on that engine. This one is my personal favourite of all I have built. All my videos about model steam engines do not attract many views. It is not a popular subject on youtube. If you have the time look at my very early videos and you will see model steam engine videos.

    • @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT
      @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 5 років тому

      @@luckygen1001 Thanks! I will!

  • @JCSalomon
    @JCSalomon 5 років тому

    The coal dust versions-I assume that’s regular bentonite greensand behind it? And the facing sand-are you using coal dust as parting powder, or is the facing sand just greensand with finer sand, and mixed with coal dust?

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +1

      Facing sand has 4% coal dust in it.

  • @theantichrist6524
    @theantichrist6524 5 років тому

    I like both castings the one question that I have then you say coaldust sand are you mixing actual coal dust in with your Bentonite sand mixture and can you tell me the ratio of bentonite clay to sand to coal mixture

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому

      Bentonite 7.5% coal dust 4% by weight.

  • @johnspargo5876
    @johnspargo5876 5 років тому

    Thanks for a most interesting video. won't be long and you will be doing a 30
    000 subscriber plaque. best regards from John Spargo in Cape Town

  • @waynemartin5247
    @waynemartin5247 4 роки тому

    wow, impressive

  • @chrisbevan6390
    @chrisbevan6390 5 років тому

    could you weld the flywheel back together by autogenous welding as a project ? with reference to keith ruckers drill table problems

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому

      Yes you could reweld the flywheel but for me it was only a test piece for destruction to see if my casting standards are any good.

  • @sandrammer
    @sandrammer 5 років тому +1

    When you're set up to use an Acetylene gauge on a propane tank, what is your working pressure set at?

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +1

      I have never bothered to see what the pressure is. I use a vacuum cleaner as a blower and adjust the regulator to suit the output of the vac blower. I aim for a neutral flame coming out of the exhaust vent. Why don't you have a go at melting cast iron? I get so many home casters complaining that I am the only one that pours iron castings on youtube.

    • @sandrammer
      @sandrammer 5 років тому

      @@luckygen1001 , That's a future plan, to pour Iron that is. The next time you use the acetylene gage please take a peek at the working pressure and leave a message on one of my videos. Thanks.

  • @Zunaid_belim14
    @Zunaid_belim14 2 місяці тому

    Bentonite and coal are added to this material, right?

  • @mickellis8747
    @mickellis8747 5 років тому

    Is it possible to mix petro sand and coal dust sand and get the benifits of both?

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому

      You could try it but mixing a oil based sand with a water based sand will have problems in the future.

  • @aist7
    @aist7 5 років тому

    cool

  • @dougalexander7204
    @dougalexander7204 5 років тому

    Luckygen: I made a well built furnace with an inside diameter of 8” by 16” high. I’m interested in pouring cast iron, after fooling around with aluminum and brass. What is your opinion for a crucible? Can I make one myself or should I buy one? Best regards. D. Alexander.

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому

      Buy one!

    • @dougalexander7204
      @dougalexander7204 5 років тому

      Silicon carbide graphite? (And, please know I’ve been employed by Indiana State DNR as a blacksmith/woodwright, and have considerable copper, silver and tinsmith experience. In retirement I want to pour bronze and cast iron.) Thank you for your response. D

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +1

      I have only used clay graphite crucible for iron.

  • @veselakopa
    @veselakopa 5 років тому

    good day sir
    first of all, I want to thank you for the knowledge you share on youtube
    I'm just going to produce my first form from greensand, let me get inspired by your information, but I wanted to know when to make a green sand mold, how and how long it will be necessary to dry, or do you pour into the mold as soon as you finish it?
    I am afraid of you, and thank you for the answer
    sorry for my English 

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому

      I pour the mold as soon as I finish it. Don't use more than 5% water in your sand.

  • @abhayharsora652
    @abhayharsora652 4 роки тому

    Hello sir ,i am practicing greensand molding process for castiron metal and i am facing surface finish issue what should i use for better surface finish grephite powder or coal dust on mold surface??

  • @markfryer9880
    @markfryer9880 5 років тому +4

    Hi luckygen1001 a big well done on reaching 15,000 subscribers, no easy task for a Maker channel particularly one focused on casting.
    I do however note the presence in the comments section of the Usual Suspects from the You Tube casting community and that says a lot about the quality of your videos for your investigation of casting mythology and bad habit proliferation.
    Again, well done and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family.
    Mark

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому

      Seasons greetings for you and your son and may next year be the best ever.

  • @cptrikester2671
    @cptrikester2671 5 років тому

    Another great video. 👍
    Does the quality of the embossing change if it is facing up or down?

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +1

      I have only cast it facing down but I should try it facing up one time to see if the quality changes.

  • @Tailss1
    @Tailss1 5 років тому

    Coal dust is dirty filthy stuff to work with however. I think the petrobond one looks better :)

  • @ethanmye-rs
    @ethanmye-rs 5 років тому

    Any interest in doing a centrifugal casting?

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому

      Not really, mainly because it is for very small parts.

  • @aubreyaub
    @aubreyaub 5 років тому +1

    15,000, shoooot. I have 6. Mum, Dad, 2 brothers and both me billy lids.

  • @Made2hack
    @Made2hack 5 років тому

    If Bronze is for 10K subs, is Cast Iron the new standard for 15K subs? Good on you!

  • @avvea
    @avvea 5 років тому

    Your videos are awesome, but they could improve a lot with a better resolution and a 16:9 ratio

    • @MattOGormanSmith
      @MattOGormanSmith 5 років тому

      I disagree about the 16:9. 5:4 is great for framing objects for technical demonstration. Higher resolution never hurts though, but it does cost more in cameras and in editing and uploading time.

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому

      Yes you are sooo right. Not every one can afford the latest and greatest in cameras and software.

  • @charlieszablewski830
    @charlieszablewski830 4 роки тому

    wow gee id love too have a cuppa and pick youre mind

  • @MadeinSweden
    @MadeinSweden 5 років тому

    How long does it take to melt the iron?

    • @markfryer9880
      @markfryer9880 5 років тому

      I seem to recall at least one video where it was timed with a large school type clock in the background

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +1

      50 minutes.

  • @CraigLYoung
    @CraigLYoung 5 років тому

    What are your thoughts on using tapper sprues with cast iron?

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +1

      I only use tapered sprues with any metal I pour. don't use straight sided sprues as they will suck in air.

    • @CraigLYoung
      @CraigLYoung 5 років тому +1

      luckygen1001 : Sorry the camera angle made it look straight so I was wondering.

    • @danielcrawford7315
      @danielcrawford7315 5 років тому

      @@luckygen1001 , interesting peice ot information. Thru the camera to the untrained eye they pretty much look straight so the taper is not alot or it would be more conical than straight. I think I said that right lol

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +1

      I had a look at the video again and you are right it does look like it is straight sided.

    • @CraigLYoung
      @CraigLYoung 5 років тому +1

      luckygen1001 : I've watched all your videos because I'm interested in casting iron. I've had no training except watch Sandrammer's, Olfoundryman, and MrPete222 but they only do Aluminum. Thank you for what you've taught me and Merry Christmas.

  • @johnathancorgan3994
    @johnathancorgan3994 5 років тому

    "...the casting looks perfect." Now ship both pieces to the customer!

  • @sblack48
    @sblack48 5 років тому +1

    I like the texture of the petrobond casting, but I can see why you would not want it on something that was not ornamental. Gaaaaaaaa you cut up that beautiful flywheel! 😲 nooooooooooooo!

  • @zipanixzip6476
    @zipanixzip6476 5 років тому

    He's been doing this for 7 years and only has 15000 subs where the love at ?

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +1

      UA-cam does not like promoting hobby metal casters.

    • @georgewocosky
      @georgewocosky 5 років тому

      Sadly we live in the age of 'political correctness' , with far too much emphasis on 'glitz & glam - just my 2 cents .
      Great work as always , congrats from a long time subscriber !

  • @dougalexander7204
    @dougalexander7204 4 роки тому

    Coal dust sand over petrabond

  • @ASMATENGINEERPAKISTAN
    @ASMATENGINEERPAKISTAN 4 роки тому +1

    ASMAT ULLAH 1 UA-cam CHANNEL

  • @helmutzollner5496
    @helmutzollner5496 5 років тому

    ;( Casting was perfect and you broke it!!! Wanton destruction!
    Well, i guess you will make a new one.

  • @godfreypoon5148
    @godfreypoon5148 5 років тому +2

    A tip for the young players - "Petrobond" sand *cannot* be made by soaking normal sand with petrol. Don't try it.

    • @luckygen1001
      @luckygen1001  5 років тому +2

      Wow that is playing with fire!

    • @gibbsey9579
      @gibbsey9579 5 років тому +2

      Bugger....Now I'll have to throw out that 50kgs of sand I have just prepared....

  • @quertize
    @quertize 5 років тому

    Congratulations!