@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 Yes but there can be a perceived theme to the scene that wasn't intentioned, the characters displayed such a brotherhodd a viewer could consider them as a group of friends
Was so sad to hear of his passing. Smh immediately came back to this scene. He told all their stories so well and he was a good journalist and a good man
Fun fact: this is the only time in the entire series when music is playing in the background. Every other time it's Brad and Person singing early 2000's music or the like, plus the ambient explosions from the war, but this is the only time actual music plays.
@@sweeeetteeeeth Ya I always got the impression this song was what he chose for the video which is why it changes towards the end when the video ends too. That's just tmr though I could be wrong. Edit: I went back and watched the ending and the song DOES COME OUT OF THE TV when he puts the movie on. So this is the song he picked for the war film he made. Just so happens they start playing it over the film instead of IN the film like he does with most of his music (e.g. In The Wire when you hear music it's coming out of a radio etc.)
Such a powerful scene, I often think perhaps the scenes of death and destruction on the TV are not actually there (or at least not all of them) as instead it’s actually the men of the squad looking back in dismay and disgust at the war they fought instead of seeing the good memories that are being shown at the start of the video There’s so much more to interpret in this scene, definitely a fantastic piece of filmography
I dont think it's specifically their disgust. I think it's them realizing how naive they were. War is hell, and their illusions were shattered. It's not about how this war is, it's about how every war is. Every war is disgusting.
It’s really not disgust. It’s a feeling there isn’t a word for in the English language, a unique kind of melancholic nostalgia, except it’s nostalgia that can absolutely break even the strongest of men mentally, and Trombley, who is very meaningfully the last one to leave in this scene, is a perfect example of it; the beast let out of the cage that can never go back in. I have known a few Trombleys so to speak, and they often can never live happily ever after to say the least. There are many things that can change a person, but nothing changes you and damages you like ignorantly and arrogantly patriotically applauded and publicly encouraged brutality and killing.
That look ray gives trombley. He used to joke with trombley and deal with trombleys sadism by joking about it, but now all he can look at him with is disgust
Best ending to any TV show. It didn't need an encompassing monologue or any dialogue. Ray's look at Trombley said it all, and coming from him more than any other character made it all the more powerful and poignant. Great television.
“And his name that sat on him was death and hell followed with him” as Trombley readies a gun big enough to kill a village with no war left to fight. God at the things we’ve done. Also the shot of the jeep that says, “Gave peace a chance”, that we put guns in kids hands and send them out to kill their fellow humans in the name of our professed righteousness is heinous in the face of the knowledge that it really happened because some Halliburton exec needed a second luxury yacht is about as bad as it gets.
Ray used to joke about the war all the time but it was all just a Ripped Fuel induced facade/coping mechanism. Trombley's the real deal. Dead-eye killer psycho to the very end. The living embodiment of Generation Kill.
@@JokedUp If there is any justice in the world then those Haluburton exces pos will find their after life a place of fire , misery and suffering as payment for all the wrongs they have done to their fellow man.
@Matt Ray is the guy on the right who was the 2nd to last one to leave who was standing next to the other guy. The other guy who was on the ground, I think, I don't know.
@@derp1237Trombly to the right of Ray, and Liley who is in the middle because he made the video. Probably only stayed for so long because it was his video and had to run it.
The genius of this clip is that the violence appears almost subliminally. The first two shots of corpses are rapid, but significant. We see the reality behind the explosions and acts of violence. It sobers the men. They can’t go back to the hooting and hollering now that they know what it yields. They can try to deny what they’ve seen, but it’s there. And all that’s left is a mirror showcasing an objective truth of what they’ve done there. No propaganda, no slant. A mirror they are all gazing into. A truly masterful series.
If you're curious as to where some of the Marines from here are today, Rudy ETS'd from the Marines in 2005 and became a trainer for fitness and martial arts. Brad Colbert retired from the Marine Corps in 2016 at the rank of Master Sergeant. Nathaniel Fick made it to Captain but got out in 2004 I believe. He works in computer engineering as of today. James Trombley became a politician in Texas and looks to be doing well for himself with his wife and 2 children. Although I don't know if his experiences in Iraq will come into question for his campaigns. It's been stated he distanced himself from Generation Kill so it's evident he's likely grown from his time there and I wish the best for him and his family. I cannot confirm this but a Reddit post stated that as of 2019 Stephen "Godfather " Ferrando is still in the Corps as a full bird Colnel. He would likely be in his 60s today. I don't know about the rest of Bravo Company but when the TV adaptation was released HBO had the author of the book Evan Wright have a round table talk with Colbert, the real Ray Person, Rudy( who was also a trainer for the actors during a week long boot camp to train the actors for their roles), Gunnery Sergeant Wynn, Eric Kocher( the show's key military advisor), and Espara. All seem to be doing well. Last but not least... Sergeant Major John Sixta is currently in prison I believe for molesting a 14 year old girl.
Just like the scene, young men enter war eager, piped, motivated and full of energy but come out exhausted, fatigued, disgusted, and changed completely compared to when they first entered.
Jeremiah Boyd i didnt but now that you mention it, the show takes place around 2004 and the war got worse for years after that. The effects of the invasion of iraq are still being felt to this day and still will be for years to come.
@@lastword8783 probably not millions but still millions were affected in the region and we fucked up BAD we didn't account for the power vacuum and BAM ISIS how bout that for us intervention
Love how they love seeing themselves being in gunfights and helicopters blowing shit up. But slowly move away after all the bodies etc are shown. Just leaving Trombley who is the biggest psycho of them all just loving every bit of it. Great scene.
I don’t think he’s a psycho. Think he just was incredibly eager and naive and filled what everyone around him thought of him so he fit in, a complete psycho
You can sort of see how he realised after Ray ignored his enthusiasm and everyone else left that he was not looked favourably on And judging from his look of almost self loathing as he walks off, I think he realized it to an extent as well
Favorite part part about this scene is how around the 3 minute mark they switch from showing scenes of the actors in the show to some of the footage actually filmed by Evan Wright (the Rolling Stones journalist)
Something I never really thought about until watching this scene again - The order in which the men file out of the room may represent how much humanity each one has left. LT was the first to leave the room and throughout the series, he cared for his marines deeply and fought at every step to protect them from incompetence. He also was very professional, he didn’t actively seek to kill Iraqi People (or least I didn’t perceive him that way). They all gradually file out of the room leaving behind only Ray and Tromlee who both throughout the entire series were very vocal about their general desire to kill. The way Ray looks at tromlee after his comment about someone getting blown up being seen as “beautiful” says more than words ever could. Tromlee is the last one to leave, as his only interest throughout the whole series was to kill. Just one way to look at it
Ray didn’t like killing people. He joked about it but it clearly affected him badly as evidenced when he lashed out and attacked Rudy in the football scene. Trombley on the other hand? Total psycho. Loved killing people
Even then when Trombley realized he's the only one still watching and that nobody else seems to agree with how he sees everything on the video, there's almost a sense of bitterness to him. Like he realized for the first time that all those jokes about him being a psycho weren't just jokes, but that everyone genuinely thinks he is... And I think he knows it but hates how he can't change it
I will never understand or ‘put myself into their shoes’ because I have never experienced such life. But this show resonants with me. It made me feel of their struggles in some sense. I watched so many war movies but none of them is same like this miniseries. There are not many heroic scenes that soldiers saving the world and miracles happen all the time. I see real humanity from the marines. This is the first show that actually built a bridge between me and the characters. It might sound unrealistic but it is how I feel. I love this show. It’s in my forever collections of shows.
I concur as well. This miniseries is one of the best bridgeheads of empathy that I've seen in a war genre. Have you read the book as well? Reading it was a huge eye opener and provided very vital context to the overall picture of the show.
@@chrysecreative5575 This movie is so realistic on how soldiers interact. They nailed it all around. Humor is so important when you are miserable and in dire situations. I cannot count on my hands when I was in the 82nd and it was a terrible day, but humor lifted us out of that misery a bit.
An amazing ending. The disgust on the faces of each man as they walk away is a poignant reminder of how fucked up an entire generation of men and women veterans who served and have ptsd because of “orders” from incompetent leadership and corrupt politicians.
èntire generation...` you are writing a lot of sophmoronic, stupid garbage. Less than 1% of this `generation` even went to war. And the vast majority of these men wanted to be there doing the job they vowed to do, and realized that Islamic extremist arrogance, as represented by leadership of Iraq (and Iran) was nothing the west should have to kowtow to. Please keep your gibberish to yourself and stay in your mom`s basement until you get a job and are willing to commit to something else besides baseless comments and your Xbox. You are a stooge and jerkoff.
@@nyaswed1520Lol what a comical response, if you watched the show you would've seen incompetent leadership throughout the episodes which partly led to why the Marines in the show were pissed off most of the time and the point of the ending was that even though yes they did indeed sign up to fight, in the end they all realised just how fucked up the whole thing actually was looking back.
@@BookOfMoon1 Afghanistan vet here. Women were not allowed in combat roles during this time it’s true. However, you don’t always have a choice in who gets attacked and who doesn’t. Hell, the series mentions Jessica Lynch, the female soldier who became a PoW.
They couldnt have ended the show better then to get some funny moments and fighting clips some old fashioned Johnny cash and have them slowly leave the room a few at a time. Shows humanity in all the characters ray hes the comical character as hes shown but he actually just uses jokes and energy pills. When those are off you see hes worn, scarred. Brad us just trying to take care of his squad he sometimes likes to try and be a hardass but hes actually enjoying all the moments with them. The reporter likes to studie the men and eventually starts getting along with them singing songs and making jokes. Cromley is a psycho who enjoys killing but learns its got a dark side. Nate aka LT is a high ranking guy that goes in believing to trust his higher ups but learns they dont know exactly what there doing and he tries to keep his men safe knowing that hes putting himself in danger. In the end they all have one thing in common.....brotherhood. Definitely The best show i have watched
Last Word I think that all of that was just talk from him. He wasn't even supposed to be there because he hadn't even finished recon training and he was also only 18. Idk I just felt like it was him trying to fit in with the rest of the Marines and in doing so he went overboard
@@kermittonnes-priddy8480 you can tell in this scene that while everyone eventually became regretful in the scenes that they were watching, trombley was the only one who didn't show any regret and only showed pleasure.
@@lastword8783 that was exaggerated in the show for effect. In real life he was just being edgy to fit in, he wasn't a literal sociopath. He's even running for office as of late and has a family, so he's definitely functioning like a normal human.
@@HaloDude557 i was talking about the characters in the show and not real life. Sociopaths/psychopaths can have families and run for office btw. Not that i think he is one in real life but the character in the show was not normal.
3:30 This right here just has me filled with memories and love the brothers I miss dearly. That pat on the shoulder and chest Rudy gives to Ray; I miss that shit. The same bros I'd have small spats with were still the same bros I shared many days training with, going to parties and bar nights with, and spent time with overseas... That 'bro pat' is something so seemingly small, but I miss it. When it seems leadership didn't really give a damn about us, we were always there to gas each other up and lessen that stress. It might just seem like a pat on the shoulder, but it's so much more, knowing that your brothers are your keepers, just as you are your brother's keeper. I should message them. And if you're reading this, perhaps it's a good sign to reach out to yours, too.
Trombley was always the protagonist, everyone else had their own personality and identity before Iraq, Trombley however was the one who realized who he was while at war. He's generation kill.
Love how the actual men when interviewed are like "none of us left, we thought it was dope". That's agenda vs reality for you (and I agree with the agenda lol)
Compare to soppy and leftist endings of many military movies I’d say this is probably the best ending as they couldn’t actually show glorification of war or even Marines praising what they did even though there’s nothing wrong with that but HBO wouldn’t allow it.
Reminds me of LTC Kilgore and his quote in apocalypse now “someday this war is gonna end.” Realization of what you experienced only after you’re removed from it.
"When I was a child, I wanted to be like Brad. When I was a teenager, I tried to be like Ray. When I became an adult, I realized I was Trombley all along..."
@@edwardfetner2513actually you need both, you need guys who follow orders without questions and only care about death and destruction of the enemy but you also need people with rationale, put things in perspective with long strategic picture. As von Clausewitz said “ war is extension politics by other means” , death and destruction of enemy is only one component. Otherwise you could win all the battles but still end up losing the war.
What does this mean in relation to the video, or wars in the middle east? It doesn't make sense in multiple ways. Are villagers going to invade across the ocean en-mass with military weapons, and so we must invade them before they invade us? Are you trying to say insurgent combatants are unwilling to kill? There's so much to be confused about.
Duhya I think it’s just the reality of most situations in war and conflict. Civilians and Pacifists will always be at the mercy of armed people willing to kill indiscriminately. It hard to say otherwise when you have a gun to your head or feel powerless to challenge a greater force without losing something in return.
@@elchinoguerito8915 They didn't, the Iraqi civilians harmed no one. You can't just pass it off as war and conflict. If your opponent was merciless, you'd just call them terrorist. If he was on your side, you'd call them a hero. That makes you a stupid hypocrite, nothing more than that.
@@God-Guns-Freedom I like that this the opposite version of that ending. In Band Of Brothers is optimistic and cheerful, its was another type of war when the gathered up on the baseball field. GK ending is grimm, this people are traumatized for life
Best attempt at explaining the unexplainable. My prayer is for all of those guys to have a home, family, holidays, kids, and all the experiences that go with it for they have suffered for the rest of us to have convenience.
Tbh this is actually pretty sad when they first got in the war they were pumped about going to war, killing the enemy, and gunny, flick, colbert are the leaders an they dont want to stick around to see what they have done an each by each one by one they seen that they shouldn't glorify war or to see what they thought war was the seen what they have done they have seen and done very terrible things and they realize that" when they men comes around" johnny cash and this is perfect song that fits cause the men, aka is them finally growing and realized what war really is but Trombley was the one who enjoyed every second of it, and it was only after he realized he was alone in that room that he had that grimace. He really is a psycho who loves war and killing. The very last scene is just him walking out with his SAW- "and hell followed him."
Everyone left the table as they came to terms with what they had just done. Everyone felt guilt, or maybe shame. Everyone left the table, everyone except Trombley
There's actually a plot hole in the intro since we begin the show with them already deployed waiting to go in, and the reporter is only then arriving and assigned to them in a scene while in the desert. in the video we see them on the statue posing while still in base camp...with the reporter in the frame.
"And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts, And I looked and behold a pale horse. And his name, that sat on him, was Death. And Hell follwed with him." Trombley watches the movie until the end and follows the group with a machine gun....
@unrelentingtable1240 I don't think he meant it like that, just that Trombley is the avatar of death of the series since he's the most eager to get to kill.
That final scene touched me real hard for some reason. Looked so real, the way each of them become increasingly disgusted looking at and realizing what they did. Heart breaking. Awesome ending.
Когда-то я увидела этот сериал по телевизору, даже не полностью, но эта сцена произвела на меня такое сильное впечатление, что я никогда уже не смогу ее забыть. Раз в пару лет я возвращаюсь к ней. Потрясающая концовка, без слов говорящая больше, чем можно было бы вообще рассказать о войне (при чем вместо этой войны можно подставить, например, нашу войну в Афгане или Чечне (или практически любую войну) - и ничего не изменится)
The video (and the guys reactions to it) is a pretty good metaphor for the war. It starts out enthusiastic, all these guys having a great time, but slowly it becomes more gruesome and chaotic, focusing on the death and destruction rather than the guys, and the watchers begin to get disgusted with what they see. One by one, they file out, until only Trombley is left, and then even he decides he's had enough and just leaves the video there, not even bothering to turn the screen off.
"Beautiful ideals were painted for our boys who were sent out to die. This was the “war to end wars.” This was the “war to make the world safe for democracy.” No one told them that dollars and cents were the real reason. No one mentioned to them, as they marched away, that their going and their dying would mean huge war profits. No one told these American soldiers that they might be shot down by bullets made by their own brothers here. No one told them that the ships on which they were going to cross might be torpedoed by submarines built with United States patents. They were just told it was to be a “glorious adventure.”" ― Smedley D. Butler, War Is a Racket
Amazing way to end the series. Love at the beginning how the officers and sgts separated themselves from the joyful celebration of the junior ranks. That’s how it is today.
Normally watching last scene in most of drama, movie, it made us feel like "you've hell of done, nice work", but this one...gave us something like 'discomfort', even they won the war there is something that can't understand themselves "why we fought it", "what for it".
I like last song last scene. As they watch the video, one by one,I feel the pain in their hearts on the battlefield as they return to people and leave the room. Peronally, I love Wilson Bezel, who plays Corporal Stafford😍
And I heard as it were the noise of thunder One of the four beasts saying come and see and I saw And behold a white horse There's a man going around taking names And he decides who to free and who to blame Everybody won't be treated all the same There'll be a golden ladder reaching down When the Man comes around The hairs on your arm will stand up At the terror in each sip and in each sup Will you partake of that last offered cup? Or disappear into the potter's ground When the Man comes around Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers One hundred million angels singing Multitudes are marching to the big kettledrum Voices calling, voices crying Some are born and some are dying It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree The virgins are all trimming their wicks The whirlwind is in the thorn tree It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks Till Armageddon no shalam, no shalom Then the father hen will call his chickens home The wise man will bow down before the throne And at His feet they'll cast their golden crowns When the Man comes around Whoever is unjust let him be unjust still Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still Listen to the words long written down When the Man comes around Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers One hundred million angels singing Multitudes are marching to the big kettledrum Voices calling and voices crying Some are born and some are dying It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree The virgins are all trimming their wicks The whirlwind is in the thorn tree It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks In measured hundred weight and penney pound When the Man comes around. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts And I looked and behold, a pale horse And his name that sat on him was Death And Hell followed with him.
The hardest part of the war was becoming a civilian, it was letting go of the men I'd struggled and sacrificed so much for that hit me the hardest. *Stay frosty, 2/8; I think of you fellers daily*
Ever watch something where after it you literally cannot look at the stuff you like the same way for a while? That’s me rn idk what to watch or what to do without more GK out of sheer need for visual closure(if that makes any sense?)Like I understand where the people that these characters are based on went afterwards but it’s just not the same for some reason.
It should be remembered that this was a TV show on HBO - not a documentary. As such - it was - *_BASED ON_* this Rolling Stone writers work - which was written to be Entertaining - not - to accurately reflect the lives of the men it is ... *_based on_* ... I have no idea whether what we just saw had any basis in reality or not. Did these guys really watch a video like this - and - did they really have these reactions? I seriously doubt that. This was written and performed to create the end scene of a TV Series. It was not something they filmed actually happening. This was the people who made the Series making a statement - not a reflection of what these characters real life counter parts did. For myself - none of these things that depict guys this way - reminds me in the least of the way we were in the units I was in in the Marines between 1970 and 1972. We would have been boring. It is my guess - that the real guys - who may have really done some of the things depicted here (or something like them) were not really like their fictional counterparts. Their Fictional Counterparts - were written to be Entertaining - and while I can't know what the guys this was based on were like I do know that we wouldn't have been Entertaining. We would have just been a bunch of young kids who wanted to get off base, get laid and get out. We would have been boring. .
Here's a clip from another video that shows one of the actual guys from the real unit commenting on scenes from the TV show ua-cam.com/video/56XPak0tpDc/v-deo.html .
This scene is an metaphor for the whole war The slow realization of the pointless atrocities they committed It isn't meant to be real or for the characters to be watching that
amazing ending to a show. was searching for something as good as the wire for years after watching it. upset it took me so long to give this a chance. was a better season 5 of the wire than the actual fifth season was lol.
Throughout the entire series he's the most phycho. As in, he loves killing people. At one point they're taking fire from an AA gun and everyone is in cover and he just remains crouched inbetween the humvees in clear sight with binoculars spotting it out for a fire mission. He said he kinda wanted to see what it was like to be shot. And he constantly wants to kill. He doesn't get effected by anything pretty much and gets very excited when he kills people. So he remains watching because he loves war and the others get uncomfortable throughout seeing the glorified version of war vs the actual fucked up shit like civilians getting killed etc. Hope this helps!
@@meatiest1989 Probably 3rd episode. Trombley said he wanted to see how it is like being hit and wounded. No sane persons (courageous ones included) would ever say something like that and Ray was the only one who could see through Trombley.
He also shot 2 civilians and their camel with 7 burst shots while driving at 50 mph( i think) and i think they were about 100m-200m away. His own squad thought of him as a psycho for that
“And I heard as it were, the noise of thunder. One of the 4 beasts sang, come and see, and I sow, and behold a white horse.” “There’s a man, running around, taking names. And he decides who to save, and who to blame. Everybody will be treated the same. There will be, a golden letter, when the man. Come around.” I Don’t know how to feel about this.
This was the perfect ending to a perfect show. Marines are known for their lust for blood and violence. Served with many down range and their dedication to fucking shit up is steeped in tradition (excuse my French). However, nobody is immune to the calm after the storm. The sobering reality of what you've done and seen. In the moment, it's terrifying and profound, and probably the the most alive you'll ever feel. You'll get an itch for it and you'll crave that rush. However, it will hit you eventually. Everybody experiences this feeling differently. I'd go back in a heart beat and wouldn't change a thing, but I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a lot of hurt I saw and did that I'd take back if I knew the consequences of submission.
All it takes is a pop, a fucking firecracker, a car backfiring or some one just slamming a door. I never was in combat or the military, but in Dorchester, people shoot like it’s Chicago, houses get hit, and people that never deserved it get the worst. What a world, eh?
An music about God judging the good people from evil people The video starting as an generic fun brothers in arms edit of footage And the borderline metaphorical images of death appearing, causing each one to realize what they did They invaded an country, killed their people, acted as world police in a war they had no business starting, and even tho they may not directly agree with what was happening, they all played an part in it And the ones with more humanity and clean history leave first, leaving the more bloodthirsty and sadistic of them Untill nobody is there, only the destruction and death they caused
The way I have always interpreted it is that they are finally able to remove themselves from survival mode and reflect on what they experienced in the war zone, what they were able to survive together. You notice that they all leave at different times during the video, they leave when they’ve seen all that they need to see. Of course Trombley was the last man standing because he was probably going to be the least effected by it in the end. Colbert leaves without seeing the video because his personality is quiet, all about the business and he doesn’t want to relive the last five weeks. Ray looks at Trombley maybe a bit concerned for his friends sanity (loll)
I take it as, while they start out hooting, hollering, bonding, and being happy reflecting on their experience, as it turns darker, showing bodies, atrocities, destruction, they turn somber. Like "What the fuck did we do? Why? Now what?", traumatized, uncertain, conflicted. They variously peel off, perhaps to reflect or deal in their own ways, or to just move on with their lives after their military service. Trombley though is just loving it all, the death and destruction. Ray gives him a look like "What the fuck is wrong with you?" and walks off. Though they variously dehumanize the Iraqis earlier on, they also come to connect with them and realize they are just as human as they are. I've heard stories of photos across someones experience in war starts out starry eyed and excited but you can just see them change as the photos go on.
I think it’s all about them not really being able to understand what happened or why it happened and them dealing with the fact that they’ve experienced and participated in so much without really knowing why and what’s it’s done. It’s not hard to live in it, it’s hard to look back at it kind of deal.
trombley represents all the next generations that came , that were okay with killing , all the old gen were hesitant, but the ones who replaced them grew up watching combat footage of these guys want to be in gunfights that’s how i understand the title generation kill since when i was in thats the respect that was given was hunting other people
The title and main theme of the series, is the complete opposite of this. The whole idea is that "Generation Kill" is nonsense. The average soldier hasn't changed. They are still just people like you and I, and they are troubled by what they go through. Movies, video games and the internet aren't going to change any of that. Trombley is an exception, not the rule. The idea that modern generations are so desensitized that they are okay with doing and seeing these horrible things, is not accurate.
On the 5th day, Muslims went to mosques. On the 6th day, the Jews went to the synagogues. On the 7th day, the Christians went to the churches. But on the 8th day, we over-ran god's perimater and we've been running the show ever since. Warrior by day, lover by night, drunkard by choice, Marine by God. Semper Fidelis.
It's like saying goodbye to friends I've never met
Bro, i feel the same.
I feel the same way and I'm not sure why
For me was each of them realizing what they've done
Same I just watched the series yesterday and I am so sad that it’s only seven episodes
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 Yes but there can be a perceived theme to the scene that wasn't intentioned, the characters displayed such a brotherhodd a viewer could consider them as a group of friends
Evan Wright, thank you for the damn book and the miniseries, rest easy now, sir.
Was so sad to hear of his passing. Smh immediately came back to this scene. He told all their stories so well and he was a good journalist and a good man
RIP Evan Wright. We are not better off without you.
Fun fact: this is the only time in the entire series when music is playing in the background. Every other time it's Brad and Person singing early 2000's music or the like, plus the ambient explosions from the war, but this is the only time actual music plays.
Pretty cool
one of david simon's stylistic characteristics, pretty much all sound is non-diegetic, just like in the wire
@@sweeeetteeeeth Ya I always got the impression this song was what he chose for the video which is why it changes towards the end when the video ends too.
That's just tmr though I could be wrong.
Edit: I went back and watched the ending and the song DOES COME OUT OF THE TV when he puts the movie on. So this is the song he picked for the war film he made. Just so happens they start playing it over the film instead of IN the film like he does with most of his music (e.g. In The Wire when you hear music it's coming out of a radio etc.)
There's also a time 2-1 Bravo sings let the bodies hit the floor, and Q-tip also sang hot in here when they engaged the RPG team.
Such a powerful scene, I often think perhaps the scenes of death and destruction on the TV are not actually there (or at least not all of them) as instead it’s actually the men of the squad looking back in dismay and disgust at the war they fought instead of seeing the good memories that are being shown at the start of the video
There’s so much more to interpret in this scene, definitely a fantastic piece of filmography
Beautiful interpretation... I totally agree!
I love this idea. And now I am rewatching and it feels like a completely different scene.
I dont think it's specifically their disgust. I think it's them realizing how naive they were. War is hell, and their illusions were shattered. It's not about how this war is, it's about how every war is. Every war is disgusting.
It’s really not disgust. It’s a feeling there isn’t a word for in the English language, a unique kind of melancholic nostalgia, except it’s nostalgia that can absolutely break even the strongest of men mentally, and Trombley, who is very meaningfully the last one to leave in this scene, is a perfect example of it; the beast let out of the cage that can never go back in. I have known a few Trombleys so to speak, and they often can never live happily ever after to say the least.
There are many things that can change a person, but nothing changes you and damages you like ignorantly and arrogantly patriotically applauded and publicly encouraged brutality and killing.
They caused the death and destruction, the guy called killing humans as beautiful. They're just sociopaths, none of them were disgusted. Lmfao.
That look ray gives trombley. He used to joke with trombley and deal with trombleys sadism by joking about it, but now all he can look at him with is disgust
Best ending to any TV show. It didn't need an encompassing monologue or any dialogue. Ray's look at Trombley said it all, and coming from him more than any other character made it all the more powerful and poignant. Great television.
“And his name that sat on him was death and hell followed with him” as Trombley readies a gun big enough to kill a village with no war left to fight. God at the things we’ve done.
Also the shot of the jeep that says, “Gave peace a chance”, that we put guns in kids hands and send them out to kill their fellow humans in the name of our professed righteousness is heinous in the face of the knowledge that it really happened because some Halliburton exec needed a second luxury yacht is about as bad as it gets.
Ray used to joke about the war all the time but it was all just a Ripped Fuel induced facade/coping mechanism. Trombley's the real deal. Dead-eye killer psycho to the very end. The living embodiment of Generation Kill.
@@JokedUp If there is any justice in the world then those Haluburton exces pos will find their after life a place of fire , misery and suffering as payment for all the wrongs they have done to their fellow man.
Honestly it was a great way to end a series like this.
Luke Lawson it made me so depressed for some reason
@Matt Ray is the guy on the right who was the 2nd to last one to leave who was standing next to the other guy. The other guy who was on the ground, I think, I don't know.
The ending still gets me, them all slowly walking away killed me, I didn't cry the entire season until this last part.
I would recommend watching the Vice Documentary they did "Turning 20: Iraq Post-2003" its very...eye opening.
@@derp1237Trombly to the right of Ray, and Liley who is in the middle because he made the video. Probably only stayed for so long because it was his video and had to run it.
The genius of this clip is that the violence appears almost subliminally. The first two shots of corpses are rapid, but significant. We see the reality behind the explosions and acts of violence. It sobers the men. They can’t go back to the hooting and hollering now that they know what it yields. They can try to deny what they’ve seen, but it’s there.
And all that’s left is a mirror showcasing an objective truth of what they’ve done there. No propaganda, no slant. A mirror they are all gazing into. A truly masterful series.
If you're curious as to where some of the Marines from here are today, Rudy ETS'd from the Marines in 2005 and became a trainer for fitness and martial arts. Brad Colbert retired from the Marine Corps in 2016 at the rank of Master Sergeant. Nathaniel Fick made it to Captain but got out in 2004 I believe. He works in computer engineering as of today. James Trombley became a politician in Texas and looks to be doing well for himself with his wife and 2 children. Although I don't know if his experiences in Iraq will come into question for his campaigns. It's been stated he distanced himself from Generation Kill so it's evident he's likely grown from his time there and I wish the best for him and his family. I cannot confirm this but a Reddit post stated that as of 2019 Stephen "Godfather " Ferrando is still in the Corps as a full bird Colnel. He would likely be in his 60s today. I don't know about the rest of Bravo Company but when the TV adaptation was released HBO had the author of the book Evan Wright have a round table talk with Colbert, the real Ray Person, Rudy( who was also a trainer for the actors during a week long boot camp to train the actors for their roles), Gunnery Sergeant Wynn, Eric Kocher( the show's key military advisor), and Espara. All seem to be doing well.
Last but not least... Sergeant Major John Sixta is currently in prison I believe for molesting a 14 year old girl.
Cpl. Jason Lilley is on UA-cam with a guy from SWCC joining him, their channel is savage actual. It’s mostly a reaction channel.
Thanks. Interesting.
@@NotARacistWarLordJustAChillOne forgot to mention he became a Marine Raider.
@@drwhite7285 And he got a silver star for saving a his squad mates in an ambush in Fallujah.
It looks like Sixta really does excell at the position of being an asshole.
Just like the scene, young men enter war eager, piped, motivated and full of energy but come out exhausted, fatigued, disgusted, and changed completely compared to when they first entered.
says the guy with the fucking imperial japanese flag lmao
@@reeso7539 Well they came out of it pretty exhausted after two atom bombs, so he's not wrong.
@@LordVader1094 Hey, but we got hentai in the end.
@@f1r3hunt3rz5 "This is the greatest trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever."
@@f1r3hunt3rz5 yeah
A great foreshadow for years of combat to come.
Charles De Rosas lots of dead people and nothing to show for it
@Jeremiah Boyd the millions of iraqis, the rise of isis, the thousands of dead US troops and the many thousands more wounded.
Jeremiah Boyd i didnt but now that you mention it, the show takes place around 2004 and the war got worse for years after that. The effects of the invasion of iraq are still being felt to this day and still will be for years to come.
@@lastword8783 probably not millions but still millions were affected in the region and we fucked up BAD we didn't account for the power vacuum and BAM ISIS how bout that for us intervention
@@giovannicervantes2053 ISIS was born shortly after the Taliban
Love how they love seeing themselves being in gunfights and helicopters blowing shit up. But slowly move away after all the bodies etc are shown. Just leaving Trombley who is the biggest psycho of them all just loving every bit of it. Great scene.
And now he’s running for political office irl. Makes you think
@@thegreatnoldini honestly that doesn't suprise me
Trombley got sick of it last. It's like Tolkien thought, no one is really evil.
I don’t think he’s a psycho. Think he just was incredibly eager and naive and filled what everyone around him thought of him so he fit in, a complete psycho
You can sort of see how he realised after Ray ignored his enthusiasm and everyone else left that he was not looked favourably on
And judging from his look of almost self loathing as he walks off, I think he realized it to an extent as well
Favorite part part about this scene is how around the 3 minute mark they switch from showing scenes of the actors in the show to some of the footage actually filmed by Evan Wright (the Rolling Stones journalist)
Something I never really thought about until watching this scene again - The order in which the men file out of the room may represent how much humanity each one has left. LT was the first to leave the room and throughout the series, he cared for his marines deeply and fought at every step to protect them from incompetence. He also was very professional, he didn’t actively seek to kill Iraqi People (or least I didn’t perceive him that way). They all gradually file out of the room leaving behind only Ray and Tromlee who both throughout the entire series were very vocal about their general desire to kill. The way Ray looks at tromlee after his comment about someone getting blown up being seen as “beautiful” says more than words ever could. Tromlee is the last one to leave, as his only interest throughout the whole series was to kill. Just one way to look at it
Ray didn’t like killing people. He joked about it but it clearly affected him badly as evidenced when he lashed out and attacked Rudy in the football scene. Trombley on the other hand? Total psycho. Loved killing people
Add in the way he hefts the gun. The violence was not enough for him. He wants more.
I thought the same thing, i think they show their morality in order everytime someone leave
Even then when Trombley realized he's the only one still watching and that nobody else seems to agree with how he sees everything on the video, there's almost a sense of bitterness to him.
Like he realized for the first time that all those jokes about him being a psycho weren't just jokes, but that everyone genuinely thinks he is... And I think he knows it but hates how he can't change it
@@giloguy101 *trombley
Even the guy who made the video couldn't even watch it
idk why the didnt watch
@@naw844they weren’t proud of what they did
@@AldoGaysex why? They are heroes
That guy's got a youtube channel now
Lily has since tried to go back and find the video he made, he has long since lost the original footage.
I will never understand or ‘put myself into their shoes’ because I have never experienced such life. But this show resonants with me. It made me feel of their struggles in some sense. I watched so many war movies but none of them is same like this miniseries. There are not many heroic scenes that soldiers saving the world and miracles happen all the time. I see real humanity from the marines. This is the first show that actually built a bridge between me and the characters. It might sound unrealistic but it is how I feel. I love this show. It’s in my forever collections of shows.
I concur as well. This miniseries is one of the best bridgeheads of empathy that I've seen in a war genre.
Have you read the book as well? Reading it was a huge eye opener and provided very vital context to the overall picture of the show.
@@chrysecreative5575 This movie is so realistic on how soldiers interact. They nailed it all around. Humor is so important when you are miserable and in dire situations. I cannot count on my hands when I was in the 82nd and it was a terrible day, but humor lifted us out of that misery a bit.
which other shows do you recommend?
This scene really felt like saying goodbye to friends you never knew
An amazing ending. The disgust on the faces of each man as they walk away is a poignant reminder of how fucked up an entire generation of men and women veterans who served and have ptsd because of “orders” from incompetent leadership and corrupt politicians.
èntire generation...` you are writing a lot of sophmoronic, stupid garbage. Less than 1% of this `generation` even went to war. And the vast majority of these men wanted to be there doing the job they vowed to do, and realized that Islamic extremist arrogance, as represented by leadership of Iraq (and Iran) was nothing the west should have to kowtow to. Please keep your gibberish to yourself and stay in your mom`s basement until you get a job and are willing to commit to something else besides baseless comments and your Xbox. You are a stooge and jerkoff.
Woman did not do combat during that times so your wrong. However pstd perhaps since they been segg harassment and likely assault.
@@nyaswed1520Lol what a comical response, if you watched the show you would've seen incompetent leadership throughout the episodes which partly led to why the Marines in the show were pissed off most of the time and the point of the ending was that even though yes they did indeed sign up to fight, in the end they all realised just how fucked up the whole thing actually was looking back.
@@BookOfMoon1Yes they did, google it.
@@BookOfMoon1 Afghanistan vet here. Women were not allowed in combat roles during this time it’s true. However, you don’t always have a choice in who gets attacked and who doesn’t. Hell, the series mentions Jessica Lynch, the female soldier who became a PoW.
They couldnt have ended the show better then to get some funny moments and fighting clips some old fashioned Johnny cash and have them slowly leave the room a few at a time. Shows humanity in all the characters ray hes the comical character as hes shown but he actually just uses jokes and energy pills. When those are off you see hes worn, scarred. Brad us just trying to take care of his squad he sometimes likes to try and be a hardass but hes actually enjoying all the moments with them. The reporter likes to studie the men and eventually starts getting along with them singing songs and making jokes. Cromley is a psycho who enjoys killing but learns its got a dark side. Nate aka LT is a high ranking guy that goes in believing to trust his higher ups but learns they dont know exactly what there doing and he tries to keep his men safe knowing that hes putting himself in danger. In the end they all have one thing in common.....brotherhood.
Definitely
The best show i have watched
I think trombley was a psychopath. He just really wanted to kill people.
Last Word I think that all of that was just talk from him. He wasn't even supposed to be there because he hadn't even finished recon training and he was also only 18. Idk I just felt like it was him trying to fit in with the rest of the Marines and in doing so he went overboard
@@kermittonnes-priddy8480 you can tell in this scene that while everyone eventually became regretful in the scenes that they were watching, trombley was the only one who didn't show any regret and only showed pleasure.
@@lastword8783 that was exaggerated in the show for effect. In real life he was just being edgy to fit in, he wasn't a literal sociopath. He's even running for office as of late and has a family, so he's definitely functioning like a normal human.
@@HaloDude557 i was talking about the characters in the show and not real life. Sociopaths/psychopaths can have families and run for office btw. Not that i think he is one in real life but the character in the show was not normal.
Ah the platoon video, a war on terror combat unit tradition
3:30 This right here just has me filled with memories and love the brothers I miss dearly. That pat on the shoulder and chest Rudy gives to Ray; I miss that shit. The same bros I'd have small spats with were still the same bros I shared many days training with, going to parties and bar nights with, and spent time with overseas... That 'bro pat' is something so seemingly small, but I miss it. When it seems leadership didn't really give a damn about us, we were always there to gas each other up and lessen that stress. It might just seem like a pat on the shoulder, but it's so much more, knowing that your brothers are your keepers, just as you are your brother's keeper. I should message them. And if you're reading this, perhaps it's a good sign to reach out to yours, too.
Trombley was always the protagonist, everyone else had their own personality and identity before Iraq, Trombley however was the one who realized who he was while at war. He's generation kill.
*roll credits*
Love how the actual men when interviewed are like "none of us left, we thought it was dope". That's agenda vs reality for you (and I agree with the agenda lol)
Compare to soppy and leftist endings of many military movies I’d say this is probably the best ending as they couldn’t actually show glorification of war or even Marines praising what they did even though there’s nothing wrong with that but HBO wouldn’t allow it.
it is a great way to condense into a couple minutes what the marines will go through in the years to come
Trombley stays. He is the true Generation Kill
Reminds me of LTC Kilgore and his quote in apocalypse now “someday this war is gonna end.” Realization of what you experienced only after you’re removed from it.
"When I was a child, I wanted to be like Brad.
When I was a teenager, I tried to be like Ray.
When I became an adult, I realized I was Trombley all along..."
i would want 1000 Trombleys in my army. the guy was built for this
@@edwardfetner2513 Until the congress starts asking questions
@@microvvaveovenask everyone questions but Paul Bremer, bush, and their cronies
@@edwardfetner2513actually you need both, you need guys who follow orders without questions and only care about death and destruction of the enemy but you also need people with rationale, put things in perspective with long strategic picture. As von Clausewitz said “ war is extension politics by other means” , death and destruction of enemy is only one component. Otherwise you could win all the battles but still end up losing the war.
@@RaNc0Rbingo
0:49 this was the actual Sergeant Colbert trying to ride a donkey irl (I assume Evan Wright shot this)
People who can't kill will always be subject to those who can.
What does this mean in relation to the video, or wars in the middle east? It doesn't make sense in multiple ways. Are villagers going to invade across the ocean en-mass with military weapons, and so we must invade them before they invade us? Are you trying to say insurgent combatants are unwilling to kill?
There's so much to be confused about.
@@Duhya It's a quote from the end of the show...
Duhya I think it’s just the reality of most situations in war and conflict. Civilians and Pacifists will always be at the mercy of armed people willing to kill indiscriminately. It hard to say otherwise when you have a gun to your head or feel powerless to challenge a greater force without losing something in return.
@@elchinoguerito8915 They didn't, the Iraqi civilians harmed no one. You can't just pass it off as war and conflict. If your opponent was merciless, you'd just call them terrorist. If he was on your side, you'd call them a hero.
That makes you a stupid hypocrite, nothing more than that.
@@Duhya it’s a quote from the show dumbass.
One of the greatest end scenes in tv history (in my opinion)
Band of brothers
@@God-Guns-Freedom Nah that shit was cheesy in comparison to this and I love Band of Brothers.
@@God-Guns-Freedom I like that this the opposite version of that ending. In Band Of Brothers is optimistic and cheerful, its was another type of war when the gathered up on the baseball field. GK ending is grimm, this people are traumatized for life
Best attempt at explaining the unexplainable. My prayer is for all of those guys to have a home, family, holidays, kids, and all the experiences that go with it for they have suffered for the rest of us to have convenience.
The best, most honest ending to a series there ever was. So many levels to this, bravo!
Tbh this is actually pretty sad when they first got in the war they were pumped about going to war, killing the enemy, and gunny, flick, colbert are the leaders an they dont want to stick around to see what they have done an each by each one by one they seen that they shouldn't glorify war or to see what they thought war was the seen what they have done they have seen and done very terrible things and they realize that" when they men comes around" johnny cash and this is perfect song that fits cause the men, aka is them finally growing and realized what war really is but Trombley was the one who enjoyed every second of it, and it was only after he realized he was alone in that room that he had that grimace. He really is a psycho who loves war and killing. The very last scene is just him walking out with his SAW- "and hell followed him."
Damn yo use commas n shit I had a hard time reading this
And Trombley walks off in a different direction to the rest.
@@olivergoddard445 specifically, to the right of everyone else. Which has to be deliberate.
@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial😭😭
Everyone left the table as they came to terms with what they had just done. Everyone felt guilt, or maybe shame. Everyone left the table, everyone except Trombley
" let the filthy be filthy, the righteous be righteous ....".
WAR is the ultimate crucible for every human emotion...
So great. This show really holds up. Gives me chills.
Left me with so many emotions.
There's actually a plot hole in the intro since we begin the show with them already deployed waiting to go in, and the reporter is only then arriving and assigned to them in a scene while in the desert. in the video we see them on the statue posing while still in base camp...with the reporter in the frame.
This will forever be my favorite show.
Same. Sometimes I hope they will make a sequel but maybe its better like this. Just let it end.
@@DeyRapingEveryone they were gonna make a another season but the show was so expensive
"And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts, And I looked and behold a pale horse.
And his name, that sat on him, was Death.
And Hell follwed with him."
Trombley watches the movie until the end and follows the group with a machine gun....
these guys are real, he didn't kill his squad.
@unrelentingtable1240 I don't think he meant it like that, just that Trombley is the avatar of death of the series since he's the most eager to get to kill.
That final scene touched me real hard for some reason. Looked so real, the way each of them become increasingly disgusted looking at and realizing what they did. Heart breaking. Awesome ending.
that is a really tough watch. rewatched the series recently, this feels harder hitting then ever. amazing show.
Когда-то я увидела этот сериал по телевизору, даже не полностью, но эта сцена произвела на меня такое сильное впечатление, что я никогда уже не смогу ее забыть. Раз в пару лет я возвращаюсь к ней. Потрясающая концовка, без слов говорящая больше, чем можно было бы вообще рассказать о войне (при чем вместо этой войны можно подставить, например, нашу войну в Афгане или Чечне (или практически любую войну) - и ничего не изменится)
War is a waste and worthless.
War never changes
Anyone notice the focus on the 249 as trombley walked out? It’s the same 249 that killed the kid on the camel, and the driver at the blockade.
i think it shows that he's just the same as his weapon. the guy was nothing more than a trigger finger for his gun
@@plasticballs I thought it was cuz the thing was cursed. Walt used the same saw when he shot that driver and got fucked up cuz of it.
"...a pale horse and it's name that sat on him was death"
The video (and the guys reactions to it) is a pretty good metaphor for the war. It starts out enthusiastic, all these guys having a great time, but slowly it becomes more gruesome and chaotic, focusing on the death and destruction rather than the guys, and the watchers begin to get disgusted with what they see. One by one, they file out, until only Trombley is left, and then even he decides he's had enough and just leaves the video there, not even bothering to turn the screen off.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Plato
Underrated comment
Quite possibly the best end scene of any series.
"Beautiful ideals were painted for our boys who were sent out to die. This was the “war to end wars.” This was the “war to make the world safe for democracy.” No one told them that dollars and cents were the real reason. No one mentioned to them, as they marched away, that their going and their dying would mean huge war profits. No one told these American soldiers that they might be shot down by bullets made by their own brothers here. No one told them that the ships on which they were going to cross might be torpedoed by submarines built with United States patents. They were just told it was to be a “glorious adventure.”"
― Smedley D. Butler, War Is a Racket
I never got to serve. And this makes me want to cry. Thank alll you brave men.
Amazing way to end the series. Love at the beginning how the officers and sgts separated themselves from the joyful celebration of the junior ranks. That’s how it is today.
A fitting final scene that epitomizes the the title of the series. The end of deployment clarity is a mentally sober moment.
Normally watching last scene in most of drama, movie, it made us feel like "you've hell of done, nice work", but this one...gave us something like 'discomfort', even they won the war there is something that can't understand themselves "why we fought it", "what for it".
Came back to watch this 20 years after the invasion of Iraq. How pointless it all was.
Damn this really hit home, great stuff.
This is when we learned Trombley was the real main character.
THE MAN IN BLACK! What a way to tell the story of warriors, warriors at their best. This is hard! Such is the Warrior life.
David Simon did not pick this song for the show this video really does exist and it's on UA-cam.
David Simon sure loves his Johnny Cash
I like last song last scene.
As they watch the video, one by one,I feel the pain in their hearts on the battlefield as they return to people and leave the room.
Peronally, I love Wilson Bezel, who plays Corporal Stafford😍
One hell of an ending to my favourite series.
And I heard as it were the noise of thunder
One of the four beasts saying come and see and I saw
And behold a white horse
There's a man going around taking names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
Everybody won't be treated all the same
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down
When the Man comes around
The hairs on your arm will stand up
At the terror in each sip and in each sup
Will you partake of that last offered cup?
Or disappear into the potter's ground
When the Man comes around
Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettledrum
Voices calling, voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come
And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks
Till Armageddon no shalam, no shalom
Then the father hen will call his chickens home
The wise man will bow down before the throne
And at His feet they'll cast their golden crowns
When the Man comes around
Whoever is unjust let him be unjust still
Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still
Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still
Listen to the words long written down
When the Man comes around
Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to the big kettledrum
Voices calling and voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come
And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks
In measured hundred weight and penney pound
When the Man comes around.
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.
Sobbing 😭🥺my favorite bois
I looked for this and found a post asking why they all didnt watch to the end of the video. Whats wrong with some people.
Great ending to an amazing series.
Crazy how the ptsd sets in individually
Best ending to a series ever
The hardest part of the war was becoming a civilian, it was letting go of the men I'd struggled and sacrificed so much for that hit me the hardest.
*Stay frosty, 2/8; I think of you fellers daily*
It just hit me: in my entire life, I've only known one president who wasn't a war pig. I'm voting for him again this November.
this TV SHOW was really good sad that was a short tv show with not many season but the end was good.. a good end with jhonny cash song ...
Ever watch something where after it you literally cannot look at the stuff you like the same way for a while? That’s me rn idk what to watch or what to do without more GK out of sheer need for visual closure(if that makes any sense?)Like I understand where the people that these characters are based on went afterwards but it’s just not the same for some reason.
I had the feeling that near the ending of the footage they switched to the real footage american marines shot in Iraq. Did anyone else think this?
Genius way to end a movie
I’m sorry all your hard work was for nothing boys. But you knew that. Love your brothers
soo sad maaan i've never seen like this movie :) "OSCAR MİKE"
It's a tv show
@@batalorian7997 what?
This video is a scene from a tv show, not a movie
@@batalorian7997 how is tv show :/ just as like movie
@@alpMFF decent budget, decent actors, and some of those people in the video are real military guys on set and were in the real story
It should be remembered that this was a TV show on HBO - not a documentary. As such - it was - *_BASED ON_* this Rolling Stone writers work - which was written to be Entertaining - not - to accurately reflect the lives of the men it is ... *_based on_* ...
I have no idea whether what we just saw had any basis in reality or not. Did these guys really watch a video like this - and - did they really have these reactions?
I seriously doubt that.
This was written and performed to create the end scene of a TV Series. It was not something they filmed actually happening. This was the people who made the Series making a statement - not a reflection of what these characters real life counter parts did.
For myself - none of these things that depict guys this way - reminds me in the least of the way we were in the units I was in in the Marines between 1970 and 1972. We would have been boring. It is my guess - that the real guys - who may have really done some of the things depicted here (or something like them) were not really like their fictional counterparts. Their Fictional Counterparts - were written to be Entertaining - and while I can't know what the guys this was based on were like I do know that we wouldn't have been Entertaining. We would have just been a bunch of young kids who wanted to get off base, get laid and get out. We would have been boring.
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Here's a clip from another video that shows one of the actual guys from the real unit commenting on scenes from the TV show
ua-cam.com/video/56XPak0tpDc/v-deo.html
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This scene is an metaphor for the whole war
The slow realization of the pointless atrocities they committed
It isn't meant to be real or for the characters to be watching that
What were they saying at the beginning of the video in the group shot?
how many of them become a marine raider ?
amazing ending to a show. was searching for something as good as the wire for years after watching it. upset it took me so long to give this a chance. was a better season 5 of the wire than the actual fifth season was lol.
Check out Deadwood, Sopranos and Twin Peaks if you haven't seen those yet. They are great too.
So is the last guy the embodiment of a true marine, a minister of war?
Throughout the entire series he's the most phycho. As in, he loves killing people. At one point they're taking fire from an AA gun and everyone is in cover and he just remains crouched inbetween the humvees in clear sight with binoculars spotting it out for a fire mission. He said he kinda wanted to see what it was like to be shot. And he constantly wants to kill. He doesn't get effected by anything pretty much and gets very excited when he kills people. So he remains watching because he loves war and the others get uncomfortable throughout seeing the glorified version of war vs the actual fucked up shit like civilians getting killed etc. Hope this helps!
@@ObzTicle In which episode did Trombley use the binos while everyone was being fired at by an AA gun?
@@meatiest1989 Probably 3rd episode. Trombley said he wanted to see how it is like being hit and wounded. No sane persons (courageous ones included) would ever say something like that and Ray was the only one who could see through Trombley.
He also shot 2 civilians and their camel with 7 burst shots while driving at 50 mph( i think) and i think they were about 100m-200m away. His own squad thought of him as a psycho for that
@@TonymanCS Godfather said the same thing
there's just something about this ending 😿😿😿
Semper-Fi, Mac'
“And I heard as it were, the noise of thunder. One of the 4 beasts sang, come and see, and I sow, and behold a white horse.”
“There’s a man, running around, taking names. And he decides who to save, and who to blame. Everybody will be treated the same.
There will be, a golden letter, when the man. Come around.”
I Don’t know how to feel about this.
This was the perfect ending to this show. Hard to watch man, fn love y'all, Merry Christmas🙏
This was the perfect ending to a perfect show. Marines are known for their lust for blood and violence. Served with many down range and their dedication to fucking shit up is steeped in tradition (excuse my French). However, nobody is immune to the calm after the storm. The sobering reality of what you've done and seen. In the moment, it's terrifying and profound, and probably the the most alive you'll ever feel. You'll get an itch for it and you'll crave that rush. However, it will hit you eventually. Everybody experiences this feeling differently. I'd go back in a heart beat and wouldn't change a thing, but I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a lot of hurt I saw and did that I'd take back if I knew the consequences of submission.
taken lives that never should of been taken. But the orders kill me to this day 2005
All it takes is a pop, a fucking firecracker, a car backfiring or some one just slamming a door. I never was in combat or the military, but in Dorchester, people shoot like it’s Chicago, houses get hit, and people that never deserved it get the worst. What a world, eh?
Mini-Map will get you to Liuetenat-General position private Goomer Gump!
An music about God judging the good people from evil people
The video starting as an generic fun brothers in arms edit of footage
And the borderline metaphorical images of death appearing, causing each one to realize what they did
They invaded an country, killed their people, acted as world police in a war they had no business starting, and even tho they may not directly agree with what was happening, they all played an part in it
And the ones with more humanity and clean history leave first, leaving the more bloodthirsty and sadistic of them
Untill nobody is there, only the destruction and death they caused
Dawn of the dead.
Trombley was the perfect example of a good marine who fit very well in war but probably everyday life was hard for him and probably gave him anxiety
I never understood what they were trying to say with this ending
The way I have always interpreted it is that they are finally able to remove themselves from survival mode and reflect on what they experienced in the war zone, what they were able to survive together. You notice that they all leave at different times during the video, they leave when they’ve seen all that they need to see. Of course Trombley was the last man standing because he was probably going to be the least effected by it in the end. Colbert leaves without seeing the video because his personality is quiet, all about the business and he doesn’t want to relive the last five weeks. Ray looks at Trombley maybe a bit concerned for his friends sanity (loll)
@@ellieeargle Perhaps your right
I take it as, while they start out hooting, hollering, bonding, and being happy reflecting on their experience, as it turns darker, showing bodies, atrocities, destruction, they turn somber. Like "What the fuck did we do? Why? Now what?", traumatized, uncertain, conflicted. They variously peel off, perhaps to reflect or deal in their own ways, or to just move on with their lives after their military service. Trombley though is just loving it all, the death and destruction. Ray gives him a look like "What the fuck is wrong with you?" and walks off. Though they variously dehumanize the Iraqis earlier on, they also come to connect with them and realize they are just as human as they are. I've heard stories of photos across someones experience in war starts out starry eyed and excited but you can just see them change as the photos go on.
@@usul573 that feels right
I think it’s all about them not really being able to understand what happened or why it happened and them dealing with the fact that they’ve experienced and participated in so much without really knowing why and what’s it’s done. It’s not hard to live in it, it’s hard to look back at it kind of deal.
This confirmed who the psychopath was. Perfect ending to a underrated show
war is a fuck up
This is hard to watch
trombley represents all the next generations that came , that were okay with killing , all the old gen were hesitant, but the ones who replaced them grew up watching combat footage of these guys want to be in gunfights that’s how i understand the title generation kill since when i was in thats the respect that was given was hunting other people
The title and main theme of the series, is the complete opposite of this. The whole idea is that "Generation Kill" is nonsense. The average soldier hasn't changed. They are still just people like you and I, and they are troubled by what they go through. Movies, video games and the internet aren't going to change any of that. Trombley is an exception, not the rule. The idea that modern generations are so desensitized that they are okay with doing and seeing these horrible things, is not accurate.
did they find those WMDs they were sent there for?
nope, was a lie
W lied us into two unnecessary wars. Anything more to say about the ending than that?
What are the Iraq vets going through? Personally saw some stuff but not over there. How are you holding up? Ain't nothing left in the end
Once again, all too relevant to today’s world
On the 5th day, Muslims went to mosques.
On the 6th day, the Jews went to the synagogues.
On the 7th day, the Christians went to the churches.
But on the 8th day, we over-ran god's perimater and we've been running the show ever since. Warrior by day, lover by night, drunkard by choice, Marine by God.
Semper Fidelis.
Do...do you think this show is an glorification or sympathizes with the marines ?
4:12
Damn.
And now we finally left the country
Wrong country, buddy.
This is Iraq
We left Iraq years ago
@@GigaChadh976 we are still in Iraq
Nope, still got around 2,500 guys in Iraq. Call them whatever kind of support or training mission you want, but they are still there.