Lets make an effort to get back to our amphibious roots and conduct more operations in the littorals. You know what goes great with sand and water? Zippers, lets put zippers on the new plate carriers.
adamrecon dude like all the jpc styles that even ronin tac came out with with full zipper modules for packs, and magazine pouches, lol and also you can shoulder your rifle so much better.
@@nicholasfernandez7720 yeah idk a bout the tubes. I just don’t trust that little plastic piece to hold all my life dependent shit together. Liked it a lot more when I could have my gear over the Velcro flap holding the cummerbunds
While I do think this is an improvement from the last few body armor systems we have had, this is still a step in the wrong direction.... Modularity is not at all important to a grunt. Comfort and weight are... (I don't mean modularity as in 'where can I put my pouches', I mean, that this vest shouldn't try to be everything at once...) We want a trim, light vest. No fucking soft armor. Give me level four plates, front and back, and give me the option to have side protection if required... And that's a whole other argument on it's own, since side SAPIs don't even cover your vitals, they cover your gut and lower ribcage... Speaking of covering your gut, stop making Marines wear plates that go down to their beltline.... just below the ribs is where they should sit... the JPC is a far better platform, and if you want side sapis, just design a pouch that will hold them... Not saying we need something that trim, but mobility is gonna save more lives than being weighed down with a bunch of armor. Ask any grunt.
Furthermore, or at least to elaborate, we don't need all of this bullshit we will never use... If you want LBE, make LBE... If you want a slim vest, take out the side plates... (assuming the vest wasn't already a hulking monstrosity...) but don't make everything into one, for something that someone is going to have to carry into combat, and only 20% of it was actually necessary to them,, because now they're just carrying weight that was meant for someone else, and could have been its own system.
You‘re a testament of the stupidity of grunts, you are aware that, without soft armor, the pressur of your plates will break all your ribs and kill you? The soft armor is there to cushion the impact of a 7.62 that you‘ll most likely encounter these days. Without your soft armor, your plates aren‘t gonna protect you as well.
@@saudakar9004 Jesus Christ, that’s about the most closed minded conclusion-drawing thing I’ve ever heard... do you think JPCs are loaded soft armor..? What about commercial plate carriers..? Ever heard of foam? Do you really think that soft armor has THAT much impact absorption? Because it doesn’t Lolol. YOU are a testament to how stupid a grunt can be lol.
@@syndicate4417 Do wear a JPC and get shot in it a bunch of time and say goodbye to your ribs, also yes they actually do. It‘s called a „Trauma Pad“ which is a plate sized piece of soft armor worn behind your plate, which is the same thing the usmc jses just a tad bit larger to give a reasonable amount of protection
@@saudakar9004 Yes I’m aware of it, and I’m saying some foam would be lighter and just as effective, and all the soft armor offers is extra shrapnel protection along the edges of the plate. And it’s not worth it
I don't see why you would use anything other then the low profile configuration with the side armor plates if you're a regular grunt. Everything else just looks like unnecessary material and bulk.
Laser cut gear, we are entering the new era I see... too bad it looks awful and makes a lot of problem to attach anything - not to mention if you have an "accident" it will torn your vest not a single molle unit. The use of zippers for maritime unit is also odd.
This looks incredibly complicated for the average end user. Here in Canada, while far from perfect, we have our frag vest with plates, then our tactical vest with all our pouches. They are both front opening and easy to put on and off, simple and common sense
Dude, I just looked it up, that shit is embarrassing... You're telling me, as a civilian, I can go out and purchase body armour that is 62 years more advanced than what our soldiers wear in actual combat?? We're fucked if we ever get invaded. Like seriously fucked...
@@iamcondescending If you are talking about me in the Canadian Army, then yes you are right. We would be fucked. We don't even have any air defence systems, like at all, except for our air force jets
Instead of making shit so bulky and heavy. How about utilizing something that's lighter? Or something that actually allows you to properly shoulder a rifle. Smh. Seeing this just makes me glad I'm out now and able to use better plate carrier options.
ess bee right on bro. I’m over here doing table 2 looking like a jackass tryna shoulder my rifle and have to turn awkwardly into my rifle. Also mobility is so trash.
Did you actually watch the video? 23% lighter than the current PC. over 40% lighter than the IMTV. There arent very many plate carriers that allow you to "properly shoulder a rifle". Maybe a plate bag or tactical sports bra like the JPC but enjoy dying by fragmentation because you arent a SEAL that only does 2 hr helo raids.
@@mh3225 First Spear has better opinions than this. Theres also differernt companies that can do more for service members. That, and the ability to properly shoulder a rifle, should be priority for anyone in the service using body armor/ fire arms. You dont need to be a seal in order to use something thats more ergonomic for the shooter . The fact that specialized gear is only pushed to one specific group of any branch is barbaric. Give service members better equipment so they can all perform better. Ask any person in any branch who takes shooting seriously, and they will all tell you the same thing. Most issued carriers are bulky and imped mobility or fire arm maneuverability. Ever wonder why grunts go out and buy their own gear most of the time?.. there you go..
@@andrewbarratachea "first spear has better options than this". By what metric? In what way are you coming to this conclusion? Even in the video they have a base vest thats smaller than the main PC so the solution is already there. Also grunts buying their own gear is dumb. Im not a boot. Ive been to AFG, once to marjah, and did work as a contractor. I never had an issue getting proper sight picture with an eagle SPC or the PC. 99% of grunts will buy an AR500 chineseum vest and think its dope shit. Ive seen it happen numerous times including while on contract and that was when they could actually afford something nice.
@@mh3225 becuse this PC is literally the 2.0 version of whats already issued. Lighter doesn't mean less bulky. FS has other PCs that aren't as bulky in the areas that are vital. Lmao no ones calling you boot, if you like this shit you get issued, then cool. Others, like me have gone out of the way into looking other companies that can provide for what we needed specifically. Its a commonly trend now that everyone has the same complaints, bulky shoulder straps, bulky shoulder pads. Simplicity fits others better, which is also now becoming the norm. It'd be better for branches to have a set of different carriers, and let the user choose based on their body type/ mission requirements. To issue everyone the same shit, doesn't mean it fits everyone. It's not a one all beat all.
The plate carrier designs looks very futuristic. I do wonder if cleaning the carrier would be a bit more difficult however, considering they are using the laser cut design instead of the MOLLE.
laser cut molle is also difficult to repair, and once it breaks, all things will, it doesnt stop ripping, in traditional molle it may break 1 or 2 cells but in laser cut molle theres nothing to stop it so it keeps ripping
Lots of people complaining in the comment, but I can tell you this is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the army. Their gen 4 iotv is just a copy of the older pc I got issued in 2014 in the corps. Even the recruits are now using the older pc while the army still uses the juggernaut looking gen 2 iotv for their basics and infantry training (osut). I'm here wishing I had the older pc instead of these pieces of shits iotv. There's mf in here wanting stuff like crye when they know that stuff is reserved for the high speed guys, these carriers borrows designs from first spears, spiritus, and Mayflower so be happy. Also, laser cut isn't as fragile as you think and as long as you weave them properly youre not going to rip it simply by getting caught on a tree branch, you will need to be putting your whole weight plus attachments on 1 row to rip the damn thing, some laser cuts have reinforced stitching around the slits.
The 3:1 rule of combat states that in order that for the attacker to win the battle, his forces should be at least three times the force of the defender. This somewhat vague statement has resulted in numerous interpretations and discussions from historical and military science points of view. So what's gonna happen if Congress passes the Assault weapons ban? Isn't that High Treason? Why does the dept of education need full auto weapons of war?
@@jackmaclean984 If you talking about Crye PC it's not very comfortable yes. I still miss the old IBA. Yeah call me old fashioned but nowadays they all look the same.
where's the mag pouches? where's the practical testing? show me a marine running a buddy rush range with this thing, show me a marine practically using this in REAL TRAINING.
This thing is the biggest piece of trash I’ve ever used, it’s obvious that a pogs or people that never use them designed it, I’m sure the ideas looked good on paper but most of the accessories are useless and very uncomfortable.
It just looks like they over complicated the whole thing and made it into a Russian nest doll, this is insane!!! Why not just go with Crye Precision AVS. Its still super bulky and overly big for no reason.
This Plate Carrier is the living embodiment of waste of taxpayer money. Overcomplicated, too many pieces, heavy, and bulky. Like others have said a JPC 2 would be much better.
I know the POGs at PM ICE don't make the best equipment out there, but for the love of god don't give a bunch of grunts JPCs. They're not carriers you want to go on a 48 hour patrol, living day in and day out with a ruck or assault pack on your back to sustain yourself. The cummerbund is awful, the shoulder pads are thin, there is no back space or support, there isn't any room for soft armor, etc. They're cool for quick Direct Action missions, police, SF, and LARPing, but not great for grunt shit. At least suggest Crye stuff that is better suited for those tasks like the AVS and CPC my guy
Actually, it looks like it was actually designed with comfort and capablity as a priority. Legacy body armor makes side plates so bulky (because of the side plate retention system) that ones range of motion is severely degraded when wearing them. Personally, if the knowledge of the different configurations is wide spread, i can see the low profile/ load carrier combination being the most popular.
@@isaachousley325 just buy crye jpc's or eagle MMAC carriers. There so light you just use them a a lbv with everything pulled out. I know guys who tested it and none were impressed. Better than the last system, maybe. But could be alot better. I wasn't impressed.
@@timothycassidy8099 I got myself a FSBE AAV first, then a JPC. After months of head scratching which vest should take which set of pouches, I've decided to.jusy turn my AAV into a Load-bewring vest and the JPC a plate carrier like the one on this video.
Just don't use everything issued to you when you get this carrier. Take the bits you won't need and add them to your CIF/IIF pile... which is a good chunk of it. Mainly the low vis carrier and what ever the hell is that load bearing shit
Lets make an effort to get back to our amphibious roots and conduct more operations in the littorals. You know what goes great with sand and water? Zippers, lets put zippers on the new plate carriers.
i mean velcro isnt really any better, and buttons wear our fast too, i fucking hate the current side sapi pouches..
adamrecon dude like all the jpc styles that even ronin tac came out with with full zipper modules for packs, and magazine pouches, lol and also you can shoulder your rifle so much better.
@@syndicate4417 first spear tubes seem to be a good solution, ive seen some with cobra buckles but idk how well itd do in sand, ive also seen g hooks
Hey goofy your really think you gonna be zipping shit up while doing that shit? No so stfu
@@nicholasfernandez7720 yeah idk a bout the tubes. I just don’t trust that little plastic piece to hold all my life dependent shit together. Liked it a lot more when I could have my gear over the Velcro flap holding the cummerbunds
Take the soft armor out of the inner carrier and put it in the outer carrier, get rid of the inner carrier and boom, great weight reduction
This is going to be a CIF nightmare 🤣 Goodluck boys! Glad I got out using the Gen II PC!
lmao the Marine Corps' latest and greatest plate carrier is still years behind plate carriers that have been around since 2010
Looks like people who "design and inventing" these PCs never use them wear them or understand what is needed.
While I do think this is an improvement from the last few body armor systems we have had, this is still a step in the wrong direction.... Modularity is not at all important to a grunt. Comfort and weight are... (I don't mean modularity as in 'where can I put my pouches', I mean, that this vest shouldn't try to be everything at once...) We want a trim, light vest. No fucking soft armor. Give me level four plates, front and back, and give me the option to have side protection if required... And that's a whole other argument on it's own, since side SAPIs don't even cover your vitals, they cover your gut and lower ribcage... Speaking of covering your gut, stop making Marines wear plates that go down to their beltline.... just below the ribs is where they should sit... the JPC is a far better platform, and if you want side sapis, just design a pouch that will hold them... Not saying we need something that trim, but mobility is gonna save more lives than being weighed down with a bunch of armor. Ask any grunt.
Furthermore, or at least to elaborate, we don't need all of this bullshit we will never use... If you want LBE, make LBE... If you want a slim vest, take out the side plates... (assuming the vest wasn't already a hulking monstrosity...) but don't make everything into one, for something that someone is going to have to carry into combat, and only 20% of it was actually necessary to them,, because now they're just carrying weight that was meant for someone else, and could have been its own system.
You‘re a testament of the stupidity of grunts, you are aware that, without soft armor, the pressur of your plates will break all your ribs and kill you? The soft armor is there to cushion the impact of a 7.62 that you‘ll most likely encounter these days. Without your soft armor, your plates aren‘t gonna protect you as well.
@@saudakar9004 Jesus Christ, that’s about the most closed minded conclusion-drawing thing I’ve ever heard... do you think JPCs are loaded soft armor..? What about commercial plate carriers..? Ever heard of foam? Do you really think that soft armor has THAT much impact absorption? Because it doesn’t Lolol. YOU are a testament to how stupid a grunt can be lol.
@@syndicate4417 Do wear a JPC and get shot in it a bunch of time and say goodbye to your ribs, also yes they actually do. It‘s called a „Trauma Pad“ which is a plate sized piece of soft armor worn behind your plate, which is the same thing the usmc jses just a tad bit larger to give a reasonable amount of protection
@@saudakar9004 Yes I’m aware of it, and I’m saying some foam would be lighter and just as effective, and all the soft armor offers is extra shrapnel protection along the edges of the plate. And it’s not worth it
I don't see why you would use anything other then the low profile configuration with the side armor plates if you're a regular grunt. Everything else just looks like unnecessary material and bulk.
don’t even wear side sapis, just throw a chest rig over the low pro configuration
Why do i have to wear a vest inside another vest to make the vest im using work properly..?
that is the most retarded part about it,...... It could have been SO much lighter, but its two whole vests in one....
Because Marine Corps 😂
Laser cut gear, we are entering the new era I see... too bad it looks awful and makes a lot of problem to attach anything - not to mention if you have an "accident" it will torn your vest not a single molle unit. The use of zippers for maritime unit is also odd.
Good old molle. Yes Laser cut look goofy. Easier to rip it out so you stuck on a tree or something your vest gonna damage pretty quick.
Video was VERY helpful, thank you
Still haven’t got issued these yet
This looks incredibly complicated for the average end user. Here in Canada, while far from perfect, we have our frag vest with plates, then our tactical vest with all our pouches. They are both front opening and easy to put on and off, simple and common sense
Good things Marines aren't the average end user 😂
Or they could've just used a placard system like almost all other current plate carriers. Just clip on your placard and you have all your pouches.
Dude, I just looked it up, that shit is embarrassing...
You're telling me, as a civilian, I can go out and purchase body armour that is 62 years more advanced than what our soldiers wear in actual combat??
We're fucked if we ever get invaded. Like seriously fucked...
@@iamcondescending If you are talking about me in the Canadian Army, then yes you are right. We would be fucked. We don't even have any air defence systems, like at all, except for our air force jets
Instead of making shit so bulky and heavy. How about utilizing something that's lighter? Or something that actually allows you to properly shoulder a rifle. Smh. Seeing this just makes me glad I'm out now and able to use better plate carrier options.
ess bee right on bro. I’m over here doing table 2 looking like a jackass tryna shoulder my rifle and have to turn awkwardly into my rifle. Also mobility is so trash.
Did you actually watch the video? 23% lighter than the current PC. over 40% lighter than the IMTV. There arent very many plate carriers that allow you to "properly shoulder a rifle". Maybe a plate bag or tactical sports bra like the JPC but enjoy dying by fragmentation because you arent a SEAL that only does 2 hr helo raids.
@@mh3225 First Spear has better opinions than this. Theres also differernt companies that can do more for service members. That, and the ability to properly shoulder a rifle, should be priority for anyone in the service using body armor/ fire arms. You dont need to be a seal in order to use something thats more ergonomic for the shooter . The fact that specialized gear is only pushed to one specific group of any branch is barbaric. Give service members better equipment so they can all perform better. Ask any person in any branch who takes shooting seriously, and they will all tell you the same thing. Most issued carriers are bulky and imped mobility or fire arm maneuverability. Ever wonder why grunts go out and buy their own gear most of the time?.. there you go..
@@andrewbarratachea "first spear has better options than this". By what metric? In what way are you coming to this conclusion? Even in the video they have a base vest thats smaller than the main PC so the solution is already there. Also grunts buying their own gear is dumb. Im not a boot. Ive been to AFG, once to marjah, and did work as a contractor. I never had an issue getting proper sight picture with an eagle SPC or the PC. 99% of grunts will buy an AR500 chineseum vest and think its dope shit. Ive seen it happen numerous times including while on contract and that was when they could actually afford something nice.
@@mh3225 becuse this PC is literally the 2.0 version of whats already issued. Lighter doesn't mean less bulky. FS has other PCs that aren't as bulky in the areas that are vital. Lmao no ones calling you boot, if you like this shit you get issued, then cool. Others, like me have gone out of the way into looking other companies that can provide for what we needed specifically. Its a commonly trend now that everyone has the same complaints, bulky shoulder straps, bulky shoulder pads. Simplicity fits others better, which is also now becoming the norm. It'd be better for branches to have a set of different carriers, and let the user choose based on their body type/ mission requirements. To issue everyone the same shit, doesn't mean it fits everyone. It's not a one all beat all.
Was the groin protector omitted in favor for the newer style of Kevlar speedos?
only used operationally now; but ngl i would rather use the groin protector lmao
it was phased out cause it was found to be worthless and more of an impediment.
The plate carrier designs looks very futuristic. I do wonder if cleaning the carrier would be a bit more difficult however, considering they are using the laser cut design instead of the MOLLE.
laser cut molle is also difficult to repair, and once it breaks, all things will, it doesnt stop ripping, in traditional molle it may break 1 or 2 cells but in laser cut molle theres nothing to stop it so it keeps ripping
@@nicholasfernandez7720 Good point!
You guys put a plate carrier inside of another plate carrier. I've never seen such a fucking thing in my life.
Crazy still haven’t got it
Cause you is pog
Nice a new POS the corps spent millions inventing instead of just buying us all JPCs and making living conditions better that makes sense
Fuck living conditions I just want good gear and they can’t even spend that money correctly😭
JPC has almost the same coverage with side plates installed, these new vests are just a huge waste of money.
Lots of people complaining in the comment, but I can tell you this is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the army. Their gen 4 iotv is just a copy of the older pc I got issued in 2014 in the corps. Even the recruits are now using the older pc while the army still uses the juggernaut looking gen 2 iotv for their basics and infantry training (osut).
I'm here wishing I had the older pc instead of these pieces of shits iotv.
There's mf in here wanting stuff like crye when they know that stuff is reserved for the high speed guys, these carriers borrows designs from first spears, spiritus, and Mayflower so be happy.
Also, laser cut isn't as fragile as you think and as long as you weave them properly youre not going to rip it simply by getting caught on a tree branch, you will need to be putting your whole weight plus attachments on 1 row to rip the damn thing, some laser cuts have reinforced stitching around the slits.
coverage is awful, JPC with side plates is almost the same
Knowledge written in blood. This is great. too bad it took 5 years to get issued out to me
Any units actually have these yet?
We got em. They’re aight.
Yessir. The low profile configuration is absurdly light weight
@@MxCP11 This i just run a chest rig with it and its nice
I wish everyone got this honestly, these help so much more with armor fatigue
How do I put the law enforcers one together
how about instead of testing this shit on Marines that wouldn't use it, let INFANTRY line Companies test it in COMBAT training!!!!!
We just got them they seem mad flimsy. Guaranteed theyll break on deployment
I see a lot of doubt for this new plate carrier. I personally wouldn’t. First Spear makes some pretty neat stuff.
First spear may design and produce great stuff but looking at those shoulder pads... Thats just retarded.
The Crye LVS seems to be a lot more better in terms of modularity and profile than this.
Anyone elses unit get these yet?
Ian Nelson 3/1 lima did
Just put mine together. I like it much better. The laser cuts are very very very difficult to attach things to though.
The Finest Fap fuck thats the last thing i want to hear
I'd stick with the PC gen 2 that looks like a nightmare
You guys can just throw all the law enforcement plate carriers out. Those law enforcement marines have brought us all enough pain.
When will short plate sizing guidance be released?
It should already be released. There's always a TM somewhere in logcom
The 3:1 rule of combat states that in order that for the attacker to win the battle, his forces should be at least three times the force of the defender. This somewhat vague statement has resulted in numerous interpretations and discussions from historical and military science points of view. So what's gonna happen if Congress passes the Assault weapons ban? Isn't that High Treason? Why does the dept of education need full auto weapons of war?
link to purchase please
big brain
You dont want it.
Get ready to pay more than 1k for it
Wish someone can just show me how to do mines
I think I prefer the current PC we have.
Noooooo
@@jackmaclean984 yeess
@@trooperodst6880 super bulky, super restrictive/velcro sucks/c-bund sucks. I tried a JPC and the difference was night and day
@@jackmaclean984 JPC wait you talking about crye stuff?
@@jackmaclean984 If you talking about Crye PC it's not very comfortable yes. I still miss the old IBA. Yeah call me old fashioned but nowadays they all look the same.
Oh the Marine Corps is showing its' age... RIP the Marine Corps.
Barley got mine while my whole unit has had it for a bit… and now I wanna kill myself seeing how much trouble I went through to get this lmao
The female marine in this video is gorgeous 😵💫😵💫
where's the mag pouches? where's the practical testing? show me a marine running a buddy rush range with this thing, show me a marine practically using this in REAL TRAINING.
You should probably use google.
This is a training video, not an advertisement
@@lukebrown3390 then the training video should show it's practical application to build confidence in the equipment being issued.
they are the guys ive talked to that use these seem to like it, and they use war belts to carry mags and dump pouches
This thing is the biggest piece of trash I’ve ever used, it’s obvious that a pogs or people that never use them designed it, I’m sure the ideas looked good on paper but most of the accessories are useless and very uncomfortable.
All i see is a shitty and a trash plate carrier,which needs modern chest rig.LMFAO
there's swift clips so you can mount your chest rig to the front.
All the plate carriers are way too big and clunky. Better options out there
It just looks like they over complicated the whole thing and made it into a Russian nest doll, this is insane!!! Why not just go with Crye Precision AVS. Its still super bulky and overly big for no reason.
Oh, it's a Plate Carrier... I see... Not a Gen 3 Personal Computer...
This Plate Carrier is the living embodiment of waste of taxpayer money. Overcomplicated, too many pieces, heavy, and bulky. Like others have said a JPC 2 would be much better.
I know the POGs at PM ICE don't make the best equipment out there, but for the love of god don't give a bunch of grunts JPCs. They're not carriers you want to go on a 48 hour patrol, living day in and day out with a ruck or assault pack on your back to sustain yourself. The cummerbund is awful, the shoulder pads are thin, there is no back space or support, there isn't any room for soft armor, etc. They're cool for quick Direct Action missions, police, SF, and LARPing, but not great for grunt shit. At least suggest Crye stuff that is better suited for those tasks like the AVS and CPC my guy
But how much does it all fucking weigh?
Over-engineered AF. Just get us JPCs or something proven.
👍👊
This looks terrible.....
Actually, it looks like it was actually designed with comfort and capablity as a priority. Legacy body armor makes side plates so bulky (because of the side plate retention system) that ones range of motion is severely degraded when wearing them. Personally, if the knowledge of the different configurations is wide spread, i can see the low profile/ load carrier combination being the most popular.
@@isaachousley325 just buy crye jpc's or eagle MMAC carriers. There so light you just use them a a lbv with everything pulled out. I know guys who tested it and none were impressed. Better than the last system, maybe. But could be alot better. I wasn't impressed.
@@timothycassidy8099 I got myself a FSBE AAV first, then a JPC.
After months of head scratching which vest should take which set of pouches, I've decided to.jusy turn my AAV into a Load-bewring vest and the JPC a plate carrier like the one on this video.
I still stuck at good old IBA
Great, now I can't shoulder my weapon properly.
Just don't use everything issued to you when you get this carrier. Take the bits you won't need and add them to your CIF/IIF pile... which is a good chunk of it. Mainly the low vis carrier and what ever the hell is that load bearing shit
There is space unprotected by armor.. not a good design
Only hard plates offer rifle protection. It’s still using the same hard plates as previous systems.
its a plate carrier..... not a ballistic vest. what do you expect?
The alternative is a bulky monstrosity you can't hump with or properly shoulder your weapon.....
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Sucks
Just so you know, this plate carrier sucks.
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