Millyard's not actually restoring this monstrosity of a bike, he's just making it ride-able, the finish of the alloy & Magnesium parts is rough as a bears arse to say the least. It's not a Norton really, it's a car motor in a prototype frame that was never going to see production as it was poorly designed in several areas, take a look at how the front wheel & brakes are designed, crazy ideas that barely work in reality.
It's a pleasure to watch Allen work on it, but the fact that it's so difficult to work on that they need to send it to someone like him in the first place shows the fundamental problem with the design.
Watching Allen Millyard's videos on restoring this beast and man the further he digs into it the more it looks like it was put together by a high school shop class. He just pulled the exhaust manifolds apart from the exhaust wrap and OH MY GOD they look like they were welded by Ray Charles!!!!!
That is a fair assessment - all of the British motorcycle industry was the same because management were too busy pleasing investors instead of updating the manufacturing machinery.
The contraption that holds the radiator is equally horrific. They even stamped the letter c backwards on the vin number. I'll still watch as it can only get better in Allen's hands.
Glad I'm not the only one that has his jaw dropping when seeing some of the "cutting edge" work done on this machine, some design aspects appear terrible but were probably the results of various constraints. As a result, the bike is a prototype with a ton of bugs that would have needed ironing out. Bold idea not terribly well executed.
@@jamsstar2010 The water return galleries. In the interview with MCDs designer, he responded to a 3 plug per cylinder statement. In its 750 cc 15 degree slant prototype, it would have had peizometers in the water galleries beside the central plug, which was exactly what Cosworth did in the GAA Essex V6 development head casting . 3 plugs per cylinder, it was just initial hype. Don't get too bent out of shape if you are an armchair critic.
Honda could have made one with the ST v4 as a basis but alas... they just didn't push to the limits. Most mfg's probably felt there was no reason to make a V8.
The bike looked incredible at launch but after Millyard took everything apart, we saw that it is the biggest bomb. It worked on presentation but soon had problems due to the huge amount of adaptations and design errors. Note: everyone only comes to comment to talk about Allen...
if no one does anything different performance technology stalls out, those are great ideas for getting the weight out of the bike, magnesium frame and swing arm. all bikes need that. 😊
@@onecookieboy it would depend where you use it, a frame is vary safe, especially with frame sliders, if the rims are not going to grind on the road the friction will not start a fire 🔥,
This bike looks fantastic and thank you for showing this vid. Its a great pity that we now the engine was built very badly. But on the bright side a British engineer is putting right these wrongs.
I agree. Why is the design so poor? It is one thing to own a top class expensive bike, but another thing if it very hard to maintain it in running order.
@@drd6416you have to remove the entire front end just to change a tyre, and the brake calipers are one piece with the forks, so the entire front end (including the integrated mudguard) is scrap if the brake piston bore wears beyond service limit. Yeh, really can't imagine why this pile of crap didn't make it into production 😂
Why? Safety! Because if it was made of carbon fibre or made more simply, it could break. Like it or not the front fork system is almost a drop and replace for front tyre repair. Don't forget, the Brittan motorbike with carbon fibre front, was within an gnats fart of killing its rider in its first development ride.
@@deanstevenson6527 hard to understand the point you're making? Are you saying the design is the way it is because it's safe, or that it didn't go into production because the design was unsafe?
"In ten years, all the major motorcycle manufacturers will be using V8 engines." Curiously, all of the major motorcycle manufacturers seem to be going towards 270ish degree parallel twins these days.
The Manx and Nirvana that was being developed at the same time are also very interesting bikes. The Manx was basically the 4 front cylinders of the Nemesis and the Nirvana was a overpowered V-Twin.
That almost killed its development rider first try out. I've tested carbon fibre and aramids..not a great material if it fails due to cracking or production variances.
You forgot to mention Al’s other motor cycle creations the 2500cc and I think the other is either 3500 or 4000cc. Insane VTwins They are sat in a friends garage so i could check. I think you’re being a bit hard on Al Melling he created mental things in what’s now a boreing world of bikes. It’s all about safety economy and it’s all for your own good. Have you seen new motorcycles not surprised they aren’t selling. I say good on Al Melling.
All those engineers at the start of the project, and it takes one man in a shed to make it all happen, Allen millyard is surely the most overlooked man for an honour
Interesting how many people watch this after Allan's Millyard's video? 🤔😁 P.S. Владислав, давай вже нарешті відео про Мільярда, ну дуже цікавий чоловік 😉
Thanks for the video. You may want to look into your audio recording settings. It sounds like a very aggressive limiter or compressor is applied which makes it very hard to understand you at times.
The 'Nemesis', huh? Sadly, it was its own worst enemy. There are bike collectors out there who would've gladly paid to own this beauty. Yes, I think it's a crackin' bit of kit 😉👍🏻. The bike press are a giant pain in the ass. Telling you at the time of sale that a bike is crap, styling's all wrong, blah, blah. And then 5 years later, call the same bike an undersold gem that it should've sold far better than it did! No shlt Sherlock! Coz' you told everyone it was a bag of cat sick! I'd gladly have had one, as long as i had the bank balance to match. Personally, i didn't even know this bike existed! Nice one 😉👍🏻
290HP? I don't think so. Lets assume it's two 750 fours, one of the best 750 fours in 1998 was the brand new GSXR750 'SRAD' . . bore and stroke almost identical to the Nemesis, 11.8:1 compression and 120 actual HP with a pipe (it did NOT make 137HP as advertised) and this was achieved at 12,500rpm, right at the limit of what a road 750 could rev too at the time. So 240 HP would be believable, it will be interesting if Allen Millyard puts the rebuilt Nemesis on the dyno.
The "three plugs per cylinder" is all over the place, including comments from the designers. But it definitely only has one now, and none of those in the background shots seem to have more than one either.
Can't wait to see Allen Millyard complete the restoration. If ever there was the right man to do it - he's the one. The bike is interesting but clearly a prototype, with bits cobbled together in places. The engine appears barely used, so Millyard should be able to get it running. I'd bet good money it doesn't remotely approach 290 bhp nor 225 mph. Finally, I'm guessing it will not be road tested under proper condition; best to leave some questions unanswered.
I don't think its right that the reporters were criticizing it , It was well ahead of its time and they had obviously thought of some awesome concepts , it is what it is , I think there would be many rich collectors willing to buy this piece of History .
I still have some pages out of magazines about it. I thought it looked fantastic and that the concept was truly innovative. Still do. But motorcyclists are a conservative bunch. It is however doubtful they could ever have manufactured it for a competitive price. Pity!
Allen Millyard works in his garage on a limited budget. Norton looked like they built this in a garage on a limited budget and it shows. Rough doesn't do it justice. Allen will make it what it should have been for limited running.
You can see where this is going- sooner or later all this " investment in technology " has to be payed for, the final bike will need to cost an absolute fortune, and who the hell is going to buy it. Useless product.
I am up to episode 4 at the moment and from what I’ve seen the bike under the skin is pretty rough with engine casings not exactly matched, poor welding on the brackets, bolts loose, and cracks in the aluminium. On thing is for sure is that Alan Millyard will make just perfect.
Think it's one of those " image over substance " things . Allen is now trying to sort the " substance . " I'm sure he will succeed but will it be worthy of all his efforts?
Apparently Elvington on the 12th Nov will be the V8 attempt. If it stinks of fuel and runs like cr*p it should still pull more than 140. I'll be surprised if it pulls 185.
Wonderful engineering but for a fast bike a 4 cylinder is enough, considering how ridiculously fast these things are. A V8 could make sense for cruising, like a Boss Hoss...
Compare this rubbish that Norton proposed with what Triumph actually did since 1983. Triumph established a base of "normal" motorcycles originating from simple designs and sold them to customers still in love with the brand. It has grown from there...
If Allen Millyard has shown us the flaws in "British Engineering" in trying to put new life in this Nemesis, will it be a practical "Hayabusa Killer ?" There is NOTHING to compare with the Japanese machine ! ............ .Not even a 10 ft. long wiring harness the Nemesis carries. Hopefully the Suzuki parts will be useful ! Trinidad & Tobago. West Indies. 1:30
And now Allen Millyard has his hands on it! He's going to restore it to full operational performance! Watch his videos!
I already saw that today😉
Millyard's not actually restoring this monstrosity of a bike, he's just making it ride-able, the finish of the alloy & Magnesium parts is rough as a bears arse to say the least.
It's not a Norton really, it's a car motor in a prototype frame that was never going to see production as it was poorly designed in several areas, take a look at how the front wheel & brakes are designed, crazy ideas that barely work in reality.
It's a pleasure to watch Allen work on it, but the fact that it's so difficult to work on that they need to send it to someone like him in the first place shows the fundamental problem with the design.
Built in Rochdale
And he's going to take it to 200MPH!!!!!!
Watching Allen Millyard's videos on restoring this beast and man the further he digs into it the more it looks like it was put together by a high school shop class. He just pulled the exhaust manifolds apart from the exhaust wrap and OH MY GOD they look like they were welded by Ray Charles!!!!!
I thought it was Stevie wonder lol 😅
That is a fair assessment - all of the British motorcycle industry was the same because management were too busy pleasing investors instead of updating the manufacturing machinery.
The contraption that holds the radiator is equally horrific. They even stamped the letter c backwards on the vin number. I'll still watch as it can only get better in Allen's hands.
Glad I'm not the only one that has his jaw dropping when seeing some of the "cutting edge" work done on this machine, some design aspects appear terrible but were probably the results of various constraints. As a result, the bike is a prototype with a ton of bugs that would have needed ironing out. Bold idea not terribly well executed.
It was a prototype..... designed and assembled under massive pressure...
And it is currently in the exceedingly capable hands of Alan Millyard.
3 spark plugs per cylinder? Alan has busted that myth.
yeah-yeah, i saw that
As Allen took it apart, it becomes obvious that the standard of engineering is appalling, hoping he can make sense if it
I would say the execution was way worse than the engineering. Welds done by a blind man with prosthetic hands etc.
Allen Millyard has been given permission to restore the bike,
make the engine run properly...
and see if the bike can indeed reach 200mph!
The build quality is terrible....looks like the apprentices where let loose on it
Did i hear Alan say it hasn't got three spark plug per cylinder ?
Correct.
Where would you put them all? 😂
@@jamsstar2010 The water return galleries. In the interview with MCDs designer, he responded to a 3 plug per cylinder statement. In its 750 cc 15 degree slant prototype, it would have had peizometers in the water galleries beside the central plug, which was exactly what Cosworth did in the GAA Essex V6 development head casting . 3 plugs per cylinder, it was just initial hype. Don't get too bent out of shape if you are an armchair critic.
@@jamsstar2010 in your pocket of course.😁
@@deanstevenson6527 active radical would be better and cooler
Enjoying Allen's restoration videos. The only Norton I have ever ridden was my mates new 1961 ES2!
NOW TO BE SEEN IN THE HANDS OF ALAN MILLYARD IN THE GARDEN WORK SHOP .
Yep☺️
It was poorly put together but thanks to the Bike Guru Allen Millyard it will be a monster.
The design of the front end is ridiculous, not easy to remove the front wheel for a start.
Neither was Honda's version of their front inbord discs.
Looking forward to Allen's re furbish / rebuild of this very odd bike and who knows he may add a couple of more cylinders to the engine...😂
Now mr millyard is doing it properly!
Great video, disappointing that the bike never went into production
They still can't figure out how not to leak oil
@@cowarddonnie-ji5yz😂😂😂
I don't see many V8 motorcycles even in 2024.
moto guzzi 1950`s
Honda could have made one with the ST v4 as a basis but alas... they just didn't push to the limits. Most mfg's probably felt there was no reason to make a V8.
The bike looked incredible at launch but after Millyard took everything apart, we saw that it is the biggest bomb. It worked on presentation but soon had problems due to the huge amount of adaptations and design errors. Note: everyone only comes to comment to talk about Allen...
Yeah, nowhere to put the starter motor or alternator iirc
Hope Alan gets it on the road,..At least its starts !
He's the man for the job. ua-cam.com/video/BBwMn1ookQE/v-deo.html
If Allen has his way it will be better than new.
Only if he can keep his hands off his missus's baking 😂
I think they're planning on a land speed record with it, not sure which category, maybe world's most badly designed motorcycle to do 150mph?
@@jonm7272 Should be easy with 250 hp on tap,..(maybe more!)
Just stunning! I would have bought one
He'll I would be camping outside the showroom
Yeah, Allen Millyard Was Allowed To Remove A Few Parts From The Prototype In The Museum To Repair It. If Anyone Can Make It Right, He Can! Thank You.
I'd suggest closer to a rebuild than a repair. The original work resembled the work of a very poor abortionist.
Looks pretty neat to me, space age, like it should be in star wars! A lot of creativity. Shame it didn't go into production.
if no one does anything different performance technology stalls out, those are great ideas for getting the weight out of the bike, magnesium frame and swing arm. all bikes need that. 😊
They used to use magnesium in F1 cars, but were forced to stop because it catches fire easily and can't be extinguished.
@@onecookieboy it would depend where you use it, a frame is vary safe, especially with frame sliders, if the rims are not going to grind on the road the friction will not start a fire 🔥,
@@DANTHETUBEMAN The problem is more if there is a short in the electronics, or a fuel leak.
@@onecookieboy 😁I don't think you can star magnesium on fire with a 12 volt motorcycle battery.
This bike looks fantastic and thank you for showing this vid. Its a great pity that we now the engine was built very badly. But on the bright side a British engineer is putting right these wrongs.
Just watched millyard stripping the front end of this,ridiculously complicated, why?
Why not? Shame it was never built. 1988 as well... jeez
I agree. Why is the design so poor? It is one thing to own a top class expensive bike, but another thing if it very hard to maintain it in running order.
@@drd6416you have to remove the entire front end just to change a tyre, and the brake calipers are one piece with the forks, so the entire front end (including the integrated mudguard) is scrap if the brake piston bore wears beyond service limit. Yeh, really can't imagine why this pile of crap didn't make it into production 😂
Why? Safety! Because if it was made of carbon fibre or made more simply, it could break. Like it or not the front fork system is almost a drop and replace for front tyre repair. Don't forget, the Brittan motorbike with carbon fibre front, was within an gnats fart of killing its rider in its first development ride.
@@deanstevenson6527 hard to understand the point you're making? Are you saying the design is the way it is because it's safe, or that it didn't go into production because the design was unsafe?
"In ten years, all the major motorcycle manufacturers will be using V8 engines." Curiously, all of the major motorcycle manufacturers seem to be going towards 270ish degree parallel twins these days.
All going bloody electric you mean
Do they? I hadn't noticed!
My perfect bike is a 270° 900cc twin.
£30.000 when all the main competition at the time cost £7.000-£9.000. Ooft!
Beautiful and brilliant
Nemesis.
A fitting name
Milyard has the engine running and in the frame so coming along great
The Manx and Nirvana that was being developed at the same time are also very interesting bikes. The Manx was basically the 4 front cylinders of the Nemesis and the Nirvana was a overpowered V-Twin.
Your videos are getting better 👍
@@simonspider And now his videos have gone back downhill sadly.
Full of stupid annoying music and he's not open to feedback.
I unsubbed.
The bike that kiwi built the Brittan was a master peice.
The forks snapped off the first time they rode the Britten, and a fatal crash at the TT.
That almost killed its development rider first try out. I've tested carbon fibre and aramids..not a great material if it fails due to cracking or production variances.
@@stephenwilliams926 so you build a better one in your bck yard and dont forget to build the motor from scratch as well.
You forgot to mention Al’s other motor cycle creations the 2500cc and I think the other is either 3500 or 4000cc. Insane VTwins They are sat in a friends garage so i could check.
I think you’re being a bit hard on Al Melling he created mental things in what’s now a boreing world of bikes. It’s all about safety economy and it’s all for your own good. Have you seen new motorcycles not surprised they aren’t selling. I say good on
Al Melling.
Ahead of it's time more tech than today's bikes
Love these videos!❤
All those engineers at the start of the project, and it takes one man in a shed to make it all happen, Allen millyard is surely the most overlooked man for an honour
That bike will be better than it ever was after Allen has finished with it.💯.👍cant wait for the next video Allen..
Great video as per usual
Some others I'd like to see
Norton F1
Honda NR750
Britten 1000
Notron F1 and NR750 will be. But, with the Britten i had some copyright problems. Will see
@@wierdbike nice one 👍
Oh, the Britten! Be still my beating heart!
Interesting how many people watch this after Allan's Millyard's video? 🤔😁
P.S. Владислав, давай вже нарешті відео про Мільярда, ну дуже цікавий чоловік 😉
Не повіриш, на черзі про один з його проектів) Вийде на Мотовсезнайко))
Дякую)
Thanks for the video. You may want to look into your audio recording settings. It sounds like a very aggressive limiter or compressor is applied which makes it very hard to understand you at times.
I'm pretty sure it's an A.I. voice.
The 'Nemesis', huh? Sadly, it was its own worst enemy.
There are bike collectors out there who would've gladly paid to own this beauty. Yes, I think it's a crackin' bit of kit 😉👍🏻.
The bike press are a giant pain in the ass. Telling you at the time of sale that a bike is crap, styling's all wrong, blah, blah. And then 5 years later, call the same bike an undersold gem that it should've sold far better than it did!
No shlt Sherlock! Coz' you told everyone it was a bag of cat sick!
I'd gladly have had one, as long as i had the bank balance to match.
Personally, i didn't even know this bike existed! Nice one 😉👍🏻
Bad mnagement might have had something to do with Norton's decline.
Excelente trabajo saludos desde Argentina 👍
Seems a bit far ahead , that idea predates the busa v8
5:54 Hey Mr A.I. can you tell me what the "H" stands for?
Am not “Mr A.I.”, my name is Vlad. A.I. helps me and you grab some new experience.
290HP? I don't think so. Lets assume it's two 750 fours, one of the best 750 fours in 1998 was the brand new GSXR750 'SRAD' . . bore and stroke almost identical to the Nemesis, 11.8:1 compression and 120 actual HP with a pipe (it did NOT make 137HP as advertised) and this was achieved at 12,500rpm, right at the limit of what a road 750 could rev too at the time. So 240 HP would be believable, it will be interesting if Allen Millyard puts the rebuilt Nemesis on the dyno.
Norton was dying when the nemisis was concieved
It's going to be a functional motorcycle when Allen gets finished with it....
ONE spark plug per cylinder, what looks to be plugs is coolant plumbing.
The "three plugs per cylinder" is all over the place, including comments from the designers. But it definitely only has one now, and none of those in the background shots seem to have more than one either.
Thats a good looking bike for 1998
Looks GREAT NOW, just too far ahead of its time !!
In my opinion the design was very futuristic
but it didn't work
Now we are in that future is that the way bike design has gone ?
One of the few bikes to emerge from the Millyard works without extra cylinders, I guess. Eight is enough even by Allen's standards.
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Can't wait to see Allen Millyard complete the restoration. If ever there was the right man to do it - he's the one. The bike is interesting but clearly a prototype, with bits cobbled together in places. The engine appears barely used, so Millyard should be able to get it running. I'd bet good money it doesn't remotely approach 290 bhp nor 225 mph. Finally, I'm guessing it will not be road tested under proper condition; best to leave some questions unanswered.
Cool engine. Wonder if it's a flat plane?
No not a flat plane - it’s a motorcycle
@@malcolmwhite6588 Sorry I should have said flat plane crank.
@@walterluus6174 no me sorry for being a smart arse! I knew what you meant, and I think it likely is flat plane crank-don’t you think?
@@malcolmwhite3567Melling's TVR Cerbera V8 was a flat plane engine, so most likely this was too !!
The rear subframe is reminiscent of the ZZR1200 and I like it.
After watching Allens videos
I would be surprised if it made 100bhp let alone 290
Well done.
my '85 GPZ1000RX rebuilt with ZX10 crank and rods did 320kph.
and all for the princely sum of £1800.
norton should have asked me to design it lol
More V8 motorcycle's to choose from , that's a yes from me I'd get rid of my V8 car's.
I don't think its right that the reporters were criticizing it , It was well ahead of its time and they had obviously thought of some awesome concepts , it is what it is , I think there would be many rich collectors willing to buy this piece of History .
The shape looked like melted plastic .
Allen Millyard is
Re-Engineering
This bike to
Perfection !
But Allen has to work with what he has got, if he had his own way, a lot would be changed
I still have some pages out of magazines about it. I thought it looked fantastic and that the concept was truly innovative. Still do. But motorcyclists are a conservative bunch. It is however doubtful they could ever have manufactured it for a competitive price. Pity!
Wheel rim breaks and 3 spark plugs per cylinder... sure. Maybe you should watch your own video?
SOUNDS NICE
I think Allen should rename it the " Phoenix , " as he works his magic to resurrect their half baked dream .
The Kawasaki h 2 r is faster i bet...😮😊
“Per H”?.?.?.? WTF?
Allen Millyard works in his garage on a limited budget. Norton looked like they built this in a garage on a limited budget and it shows. Rough doesn't do it justice. Allen will make it what it should have been for limited running.
Jay Leno would be remiss not to have it.
Would love to take it out for a hot lap...needless to say purchase as well.
Totally weird that you wouldn’t put the make or model of the bike in the title or description 🤔
There is a prototype Norton Manx March 750. Like SBK. Half Nemessis. It's in the Czech Republic.
Comparison with the Guzzi V8 would be interesting.
M1O Bolt on the swing arm pivot 😮
put a supper charger on that engine,, there I fixed it 🤠💥💥💥💥
You can see where this is going- sooner or later all this " investment in technology " has to be payed for, the final bike will need to cost an absolute fortune, and who the hell is going to buy it. Useless product.
Allen making a cameo @4:25
When all else fails give it to Mr A.M
I am up to episode 4 at the moment and from what I’ve seen the bike under the skin is pretty rough with engine casings not exactly matched, poor welding on the brackets, bolts loose, and cracks in the aluminium. On thing is for sure is that Alan Millyard will make just perfect.
Anyone associated with the original build shouldn’t be bragging about being involved with it.
I think it is clearly to see that there is only one hole for sparkplugs, in the top!
What a bike, Shame it never made it to production.?Over to Mr milliard😮
This video shows Allen starting the bike after he got it running.....
Must have edited that part in recently
Amazing in 1998 and srill great, especially now Allan Milleyard has vastly sorted out many gremlins. 2 litre 290bhp V8 now get TTS to supercharge it😂
AAs being rebuilt by Alan Millyard.
Heads-up, Allen Millyard is... oh... you heard.
Fuel tank capacity 1 gallon 😀 according to Alan M.
Think it's one of those " image over substance " things . Allen is now trying to sort the " substance . "
I'm sure he will succeed but will it be worthy of all his efforts?
It looks similar to the YAMAHA YZR1000R from 20 years ago.
Yeah get the file out and work the weld on the front mud guard!!
The thing was a basket case....Allen Millard is building it right in 2024
Allen will make a better job than
Norton. Looking forward to its
completion. R
Yess, two strokes had less power AND WEIGHT they were ballasted up to 130 kg from around 108
Apparently Elvington on the 12th Nov will be the V8 attempt.
If it stinks of fuel and runs like cr*p it should still pull more than 140.
I'll be surprised if it pulls 185.
Wonderful engineering but for a fast bike a 4 cylinder is enough, considering how ridiculously fast these things are.
A V8 could make sense for cruising, like a Boss Hoss...
Thats like taking an xr650L in the woods
Compare this rubbish that Norton proposed with what Triumph actually did since 1983. Triumph established a base of "normal" motorcycles originating from simple designs and sold them to customers still in love with the brand. It has grown from there...
Wasn't it 1993 !!
Pity they are mostly made abroad so might as well buy whatever you want
If Allen Millyard has shown us the flaws in "British Engineering" in trying to put new life in this Nemesis, will it be a practical "Hayabusa Killer ?"
There is NOTHING to compare with the Japanese machine ! ............ .Not even a 10 ft. long wiring harness the Nemesis carries.
Hopefully the Suzuki parts will be useful !
Trinidad & Tobago.
West Indies. 1:30
Not a secret at the time of development it was regularly reported on in motorcycle mags!
The frame looks sketchy as Hell. I wouldn't want to be the first to ride it after Allen gets it running right.